/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/06/11/#kubuntu-devel.txt

JontheEchidnanetsplits suck00:49
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ScottKTonio_: No problem.   I figure you're doing the work, so writing the spec is the least I can do.01:12
bobesponjahey01:13
bobesponjaI get "CMake Error at /usr/share/kde4/apps/cmake/modules/FindPhonon.cmake:63 (message):" trying to compile choqok01:13
bobesponjaany idea what's wrong? (I'm on karmic)01:13
bobesponjaI have libphonon-dev and libqt4-phonon-dev installed01:14
JontheEchidnayou'll need to re-install kdelibs5-dev01:14
JontheEchidnasudo apt-get install kdelibs5-dev --reinstall01:14
bobesponjaok, thanks a lot01:15
lex79JontheEchidna: plasma-addons FTBS on kubuntu backport01:15
* JontheEchidna mumbles something about everything being perfect in -experimental01:16
lex79JontheEchidna: me too01:16
lex79maybe we can drop libmarble-dev01:17
bobesponjaJontheEchidna: still happening http://pastie.org/private/azeiw5upzpyftlrpo0mscw01:17
JontheEchidnabobesponja: maybe try reinstalling libqt4-phonon-dev and kdelibs5-dev01:17
bobesponjak01:17
JontheEchidnalex79: maybe it's trying to build against an old libmarble-dev?01:17
JontheEchidnalike maybe if it was still using 4.2.85 when it started building01:18
lex79JontheEchidna: yes01:18
lex79uhm01:18
JontheEchidnaGet:321 http://ftpmaster.internal jaunty/main libmarble-dev 4:4.2.2-0ubuntu1 [51.8kB]01:18
lex79JontheEchidna: I try to retry build01:19
* ScottK notes https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdenetwork/4:4.2.90-0ubuntu3/+build/1069000/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-karmic-armel.kdenetwork_4:4.2.90-0ubuntu3_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz at NCommander.01:19
bobesponjaawesome, thanks :)01:19
bobesponjait worked01:19
JontheEchidna:D01:19
neversfeldebobesponja: is there a new choqok version?01:21
bobesponjaneversfelde: no, but I like to run trunk :)01:21
neversfeldeah ok, not many changes, or?01:21
lex79JontheEchidna: btw, I'm disagree with these ppas, in italian forum users confusion, they don't know what to do01:22
JontheEchidname too :(01:22
JontheEchidnaits not exactly like we can downgrade though. We're screwed01:22
bobesponjawhat's wrong with ppa?01:24
JontheEchidnaoh, beta2 got uploaded to kubuntu-ppa/backports instead of kubuntu-ppa/experimental01:24
JontheEchidnanothing but headaches01:24
neversfeldewill it be moved to experimental?01:25
voriannothing should be in experimental except stuff we need tested01:25
vorianlike networkplasmajiggy01:25
JontheEchidnaactually, it was all in experimental and ready to release monday01:26
neversfeldeI think it is not a good solution to provide stable software and beta versions in the same ppa. People who want to install amarok 2.1 are upgrading to 4.3 beta01:26
JontheEchidnaright01:26
vorianhrm01:27
JontheEchidnathis is what we used kubuntu-experimental for last cycle with KDE 4.101:27
JontheEchidna*4.201:27
JontheEchidnaOnce KDE hit 4.2.0, it went in to kubuntu-members-kde4 (analagous to kubuntu-ppa/backports)01:27
JontheEchidnaThis was just a failure of communication01:28
lex79yes !01:28
neversfeldeanyway, we need warnings to not use ppas in productive environments and a description of what ppas are, when we publis01:30
neversfeldesorry01:30
neversfeldepublish some news on kubuntu.org01:30
claydohas well as the mailing list and forums too01:30
lex79there are people who have beta2 from experimental and people who have beta2 from backports and peopple who have both lol01:31
JontheEchidnathat can't be... healthy. urgh01:32
vorianurgh01:32
neversfeldeI think the only solution to not confuse users ist to shutdown the old experimental ppa and to create a wiki page that describes the difference between the three new ppas01:33
neversfeldeI started one here https://wiki.kubuntu.org/ChristianMangold/UsingKubuntuPPAs01:33
neversfeldeprobably a native speaker can write a better text?01:33
jjesseneversfelde: i agree01:33
JontheEchidnathe problem isn't with the old experimental ppa01:34
JontheEchidnaI already cleared that one out01:34
neversfeldethis page should be linked in every news that is about software in our ppas01:34
JontheEchidnathe problem is that the new ones are being misused already :(01:34
neversfeldeyes, that might be the reason why users are so confused01:34
vorianhttp://machinecrusade.net/100_2694.JPG01:37
jjessehow can be it being used incorrectly already?01:38
JontheEchidnaok, here's the story from the top01:38
neversfeldeKDE 4.3 beta2 should go to experimental, before hundreds of users smash their systems with beta software :)01:38
JontheEchidnaas we all know, we have Amarok 2.1 in kubuntu-ppa/backports01:39
JontheEchidnawe also had KDE 4.3 beta 1 in kubuntu-ppa/experimental01:39
NCommanderScottK, yeah, saw that01:39
JontheEchidnathe ninjas package 4.3 beta2 and push it to experimental by monday  this week01:39
JontheEchidnaRiddell thinks we're uploading to kubuntu-ppa/backports and starts to copy the packages over01:40
JontheEchidnathe builds fail for some reason or another (dunno why), and then when I get Riddell's ping I tell him that we were supposed to be using experimental01:41
ScottKNCommander: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdegames/4:4.2.90-0ubuntu1~ppa1/+build/1065645/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-karmic-armel.kdegames_4:4.2.90-0ubuntu1~ppa1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz too01:41
JontheEchidnabut then he goes and rebuilds them and does a release with the packages half built01:41
NCommanderJontheEchidna, ?01:42
JontheEchidnaand now we have all the headaches01:42
JontheEchidnaNCommander: not related to arm, see backlog01:42
NCommanderYeah, sounds like fun01:42
NCommanderAnd I got reports that python-qt4/sip4 are suffering an all-architecture breakage that breaks plasma01:42
* neversfelde is glad, that he uses a dev release, better than jaunty with ppas :D01:42
JontheEchidna^unfortunately this may be true :/01:43
* NCommander still needs to wipe and rebuild his laptop01:43
JontheEchidnalike I said, just a failure of communication01:43
vorianwhy not move amarok to a safer place?01:44
neversfeldewe should pull back the news on kubuntu.org, delete the packages in ppa backports and upload 4.3 beta2 again to experimental, if that is not yet done01:44
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vorianwe can just copy them, no need to upload01:45
neversfeldeok01:45
JontheEchidnano need, they're already in experimental01:45
JontheEchidnaexperimental has been ready for release since monday ;-)01:46
neversfeldethan only change the news on kubuntu.org and delte in backports01:46
lex79in experimental are build against libqt 4.5.1, in backport not01:46
neversfeldes/than/then01:46
JontheEchidnaah man, and they have the same version in both ppas don't they...01:46
JontheEchidnawe may have to re-up just to bump the version a bit01:46
lex79yes01:47
lex79JontheEchidna: <Riddell> JontheEchidna: backports is intended for backports of the next KDE releases.  experimental has stuff like qt 4.5.1 in it which is for different users01:52
lex79so, the problem is build against 4.5.1 or not for beta2 backport?01:52
JontheEchidnaI don't think that's really a problem01:53
JontheEchidnaall of the beta1 users have been using 4.5.101:53
JontheEchidnaThe users of Amarok 2.1 and KDE 4.3 beta x *are* quite different, however01:54
lex79JontheEchidna: why? users have used experimental for beta1?01:54
JontheEchidnaright, beta1 was published to experimental and released01:54
lex79oh01:55
lex79I think amarok and other apps -> backports, kde 4.3-> experimental, kde 4.2.x -> updates01:57
neversfelde+101:57
JontheEchidnayeah, that's what we did for jaunty (except with ppas with different names)01:57
DaskreeCHWhat's the official usage of backports?01:57
neversfeldeand once KDE 4.3 is stable -> Updates01:57
lex79and updates staging? what is? lol01:57
JontheEchidnalex79: for building stuff before pushing to -updates, -backports, etc01:58
JontheEchidnaso that we can build everything and get it all published so people don't get half-upgraded systems while everything is building01:58
JontheEchidnabut we dont' have enough space to use it yet :/01:58
lex79ok01:58
JontheEchidnathe soyuz dudes are being unusually slow about that01:58
DaskreeCHvorian: What's whith the power supply pic?01:59
neversfeldeI am confused01:59
vorianDaskreeCH: I just had my computer open to put a new graphics card in, and thought I'd take a pic02:00
neversfeldecan Amarok 2.1 go to updates, when it is tested enough?02:00
jjessei am too but i'm not quite the developer so i get confused easily02:00
lex79neversfelde: once kde 4.3 is stable -> updates I think is not a good solution, because where we can put 4.2.x if in updates there is 4.3?02:00
JontheEchidnaneversfelde: a more correct would be official ubuntu backports02:00
DaskreeCHSo how come Amarok and Koffice don't go to backports ?02:00
JontheEchidnathe ppa backports or the official backports?02:01
lex79amarok and koffice is in official backports?02:02
neversfeldeso 4.2.* is an update and the stable 4.3 will be a backport?02:02
JontheEchidnanope, amarok might be in official backports soon though02:02
DaskreeCHSo what's the difference between fficial backports and ppa backports ?02:02
JontheEchidnaneversfelde: correct02:03
JontheEchidnaIf 4.3 is "good enough" it'd probably go in to jaunty-backports like 4.2 did for intrepid02:03
DaskreeCHWe sign off on ppa backports while someone else signs off on Onfficial ?02:03
vorian(4.3 final)02:03
JontheEchidnaless red tape, so we can get stuff up there the day of the release02:03
JontheEchidnain unofficial backports02:03
DaskreeCHOk so functioanlly there is no difference other than time lag ?02:03
neversfeldewe should call it test-updates and test-backports :)02:04
JontheEchidnaright, that and varying quality caused by blunders such as these02:04
JontheEchidna*varying quality issues02:04
DaskreeCHok so it's agreed that experimental is the lowest quality and the shortest time period02:04
DaskreeCHshould updates be high quality long time period before release?02:05
neversfeldeI still think that alpha and beta packages should never be in backports or updates ppa, that stuff should be in experimental02:05
neversfeldeas amarok beta was02:06
JontheEchidname too02:06
DaskreeCHso what's the difference between backports and updates?02:08
nixternalhow the hell do you bring a machine out of standby mode?02:08
DaskreeCHupdates is safer?02:08
DaskreeCHnixternal: Offer it a seat02:08
vorianDaskreeCH: updates is like 4.2.3 to 4.2.402:08
JontheEchidnawe can then use the -updates packages for regression testing to hopefully get it in to official updates02:09
DaskreeCHvorian: so major version bumps never turn up there?02:09
vorianDaskreeCH: ✓02:09
DaskreeCHif in the middle of a  Kubuntu cycle they put out Koffice 2.6 backports gets that and updates keeps Koffice 2.5.x ?02:09
vorianyes02:09
DaskreeCHok now we need to kinda enforce that socially :002:10
vorianYUS!02:10
voriannixternal: laptop?02:10
* DaskreeCH also thinks that we need some regression tests for auto builds02:10
DaskreeCH When is hte next Kubuntu meeting ?02:10
neversfeldeDaskreeCH: http://www.doodle.com/gnrcikfvukhxce2s02:11
neversfeldeseems to be no targeted date yet02:12
DaskreeCHneversfelde: Ha ha I guess it wasnt't today?02:12
vorianthe main KDE release updates are not autobuilds02:12
neversfeldehehe02:13
JontheEchidnaThe best time seems to be Tuesday at 9 UTC02:13
voriandarn it!02:13
JontheEchidnaor should I say... 21:00 UTC02:13
vorianI always miss the meetings02:13
DaskreeCHvorian: yes but stil something like a scriptthat will run an install of atlest kubuntu-desktop and then run each program to see if they break and record errors02:14
vorianstupid $WORK02:14
vorianDaskreeCH: oh, yes - I agree with that02:14
DaskreeCHhttp://tinyurl.com/kubuntuwww02:28
ryanakcaJontheEchidna: Oh, darn, were all those times UTC?02:36
* ryanakca should probably change his times then02:36
JontheEchidnathat's the best we can guess02:38
JontheEchidnaotherwise all the times are a lot later than usual02:38
yuriywait the times were UTC? that might explain things02:43
yuriythey're still weird though02:43
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nixternalApport PyQt4 -> PyKDE4 complete!03:26
vorian^5 nixternal!03:26
nixternal2 apport tasks down, 2 more to go :)03:27
nixternalRiddell: apport-kde completed :)03:31
nixternalinteresting...2 messages asking me for something I can't do: msg#1) get me free ubuntu t-shirts (note I can't even get myself free ubuntu t-shirts silly), and msg#2) can you get me on board at canonical (note I can't even get myself on board at Canonical silly)03:35
nixternalinteresting emails this evening03:35
nixternalback to hacking on apport...want to get it all done so I can have my plate cleared for Kubuntu Netbook Hacking03:36
voriannixternal: can you get ME on board at canonical though?03:37
nixternalget you on board the end of my foot! :p03:37
vorian:o03:38
* vorian should get a netbook03:38
* vorian figures out how to talk the mrs into it03:38
nixternalHelp -> Report Bug should use apport03:39
nixternalwhere do I even start on that one, anyone want to offer me a tip?03:39
nixternaland if you tell me to not play leapfrog with a unicorn I will beat you up03:39
ScottKnixternal: There's a launchpad integration patch somewhere that should be a good basis.03:40
nixternalright, I have been trying to find that damn thing03:40
nixternalthat was in KDE303:40
* nixternal goes back, WAY BACK!03:40
ScottKNo, we had one in Jaunty.03:40
nixternalhrmm, just didn't stick I take it03:40
ScottKOr maybe we didn't.  Dunno for sure.03:41
nixternalhrmm03:41
* ScottK has been home less than 24 hours since before UDS, so my situational awareness is kind of low ATM.03:41
nixternalfor stuff in bzr that is under ~kubuntu-members, can people propose merges that aren't in ~kubuntu-members?03:42
nixternalinstead of passing silly diffs around03:42
ScottKAnyone can propose a merge.03:42
ScottKIf you're in kubuntu-members you can just commit directly.03:43
nixternalok, wasn't for sure how it worked when it was a team branch and not a project branch03:43
nixternaloh sweet, the integration should be easy03:45
nixternalheh, how to fix standby issue in Ubuntu ->  ctrl+alt+sysrq+r  ctrl+alt+sysrq+s  ctrl+alt+sysrq+e  ctrl+alt+sysrq+i  ctrl+alt+sysrq+u ctrl+alt+sysrq+b   will fix it, youll reboot though.03:47
nixternalsounds like Windows :p03:47
vorianreally?03:48
nixternalthat's what was recommended to me03:49
vorian*don't press random buttons like that again*03:51
DaskreeCHWhy Ctrl+Alt ?04:01
DaskreeCHSo bringing back up the Repos discussion04:02
DaskreeCH Digikam is coming up for a 1.0 release Would that be in backports?04:02
e-jatcan someone help me on this : http://paste.ubuntu.com/192900/04:03
vorian06/10/09|18:17 < JontheEchidna> sudo apt-get install kdelibs5-dev --reinstall04:04
vorian06/10/09|18:20 < JontheEchidna> bobesponja: maybe try reinstalling libqt4-phonon-dev and kdelibs5-dev04:04
voriane-jat: ^04:04
e-jatneed to reinstall it .. trying ...04:06
nixternale-jat: sudo apt-get --purge remove libqt4-phonon-dev04:08
nixternalthen reinstall it...totally forgot about that04:08
e-jatnixternal: ok thanks ..04:09
robotgeekwow, i have him same advice. lol04:10
e-jatnixternal: http://tinyurl.com/nets7t04:10
e-jatthats y i try to compile kopete from svn04:10
e-jateven i hv update to version kopete 4.2.90-0ubuntu3 ... the bugs still happen04:11
e-jatthanks nixternal its work .. :)04:15
nixternale-jat: I apologize for not even catching that last night04:30
nixternalI recently had the same exact issue04:30
nixternalit was an upgrade last week that broke that04:30
e-jatnixternal: owh ..04:30
e-jati just upgrade to karmic ..04:30
e-jathopefully .. compiling from svn will get temp fix04:31
nixternalI am a quilt dummy!!!04:33
nixternalbah, I see why the hell it isn't working for me04:34
e-jatnixternal: still cant make kopete work :(04:34
e-jatkopete: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/kde4/kopete_yahoo.so: undefined symbol: _ZN6Kopete8ProtocolC2ERK14KComponentDataP7QObjectb04:35
* DaskreeCH kicks Coova Chilli hard04:38
e-jatshould i purge the kopete n try to reinstall with the latest package ?04:38
e-jatnixternal: r u working on it now ? <nixternal> bah, I see why the hell it isn't working for me <---- may i know why ? :)04:40
DaskreeCHWhy does kontact turn up twice in Krunner?04:40
_groo_hi/2 all04:49
_groo_JontheEchidna: jon are you there?04:49
_groo_ScottK: scott?04:49
_groo_apachelogger: ping?04:49
_groo_any dev? :P04:50
_groo_i hate when devs have a life ¬¬04:50
ScottK_groo_: What's up?04:50
_groo_hi ScottK04:51
_groo_ScottK: are you guys aware that kdeutils is broken in both experimental and backports? beta 204:51
ScottKI'm not.04:51
_groo_  kdeutils: Depends: kde-printer-applet (>= 4:4.2.90-0ubuntu1~jaunty1~ppa1) but it is not going to be installed04:51
ScottKSame problem I uploaded a fix for yesterday to the archive, right?04:52
_groo_which makes sense since in the ppas the package is renamed as printer-applet only04:52
_groo_ScottK: but you sent to karmic correct?04:52
_groo_no one updated jaunty04:52
ScottKYes.04:52
e-jatScottK: how bout kopete :(04:53
ScottK_groo_: I haven't been following the PPA packages.04:53
_groo_and since you guys published it in the kubuntu page, its gonna piss a lot of otherwise happy users :d04:53
_groo_also kdebindings is nowhere to be found.. and it was working correctly in experimental04:54
e-jat_groo_: its mean better user kubuntu-experimental ?04:55
e-jatrather than kubuntu-ppa?04:55
ScottK_groo_: I'm currently on travel for $WORK, so only have limited attention to pay to Kubuntu right now (I've been home for less than 24 hours since before UDS).04:57
_groo_e-jat: bot have the same problem, since backports only copied the experimental pckages04:57
_groo_ScottK: sure scort, im not complaining, im just reporting, could you please inform the proper channels then?04:57
e-jat_groo_: thats why desktop gone .... so i decide to move to karmic ..04:58
_groo_i gotta go in 5, just wanted to report what i found04:58
ScottKThis is pretty much the proper channel.04:58
ScottKMaybe vorian can fix ....04:58
_groo_does vorian reads backlogs?04:58
ScottKMaybe.04:58
_groo_50/50 answer.. i love those ¬¬04:59
_groo_dave.. will i dream?04:59
_groo_maybe...04:59
_groo_for those too young.. shamelesse rip of 2010 space odissey05:00
* ScottK is not too young.05:00
_groo_mid thirties?05:00
_groo_well gotta go before my wife kills me :D see ya all tomorrow...05:01
* _groo_ out05:01
* ScottK notes groo is short a decade.05:04
e-jat:)05:05
shtylmanRiddell: I have been thinking...and if we have the room (or can maybe create the room) putting a few games on the install disk might be a good idea. Firstly, users can play a game or two while they wait for the install. Second...having a game or two preinstalled means that if they have downtime or are waiting for updates they can go launch a game. Games might also make it more likely that they search for more games through pac05:23
shtylman installer and become more familiar with that at the same time....just a few quick thoughts ;)05:23
ScottKshtylman: We discussed this a bit at UDS and decided not.05:24
shtylmanScottK: yea...I remember...just wanted to bring it up in case we ever did create the disk space05:24
shtylmanI think the potential benefits are there for the lay person05:24
shtylmanI know it probly won't happen...but we can bounce it around every now and then :)05:25
ScottKshtylman: How goes OOo?05:29
shtylmanScottK: good...I sent my initial patches to the OO list for some installation help.05:29
ScottKCool.05:29
shtylmanI have the migration mostly done and just got stuck on the actual install part05:29
shtylmanso once I get a response to that I hope to have something in my PPA before too long05:30
yuriyarora is currently leaking memory quite a bit worse than firefox, that's got to be fixed05:57
nixternalpfft, changing out the bug report stuff in KDE was a hell of a lot easier than I though06:47
nixternalI utilized all of the bug report framework already in place, just changed it to a process and fed it:06:48
nixternal*proc << '/usr/share/apport/apport-qt' << '-f' << '-p' << aboutData->appName();06:49
nixternal<3 kdelibs06:50
nixternalnow lets see if it builds :p06:52
e-jatnixternal: r u here?07:45
nixternale-jat: ya07:59
nixternalbooyah, added the apport support to kdelibs for Report Bug, just pushed to bzr the changes07:59
e-jathow your kopete ?07:59
nixternaland, I also fixed an upstream issue with kdesdk and not building since someone forgot to add -DQT3_SUPPORT for svn kioslave08:00
nixternale-jat: it works08:00
nixternalis it not supposed to work?08:00
e-jati reinstall the kopete 4:4.2.90-0ubuntu3 still not work :(08:02
nixternalknocking out that Kubuntu/Todo list baby!08:02
nixternalmine works fine08:02
e-jatso where should i look into ?08:02
nixternale-jat: you might need to get rid of ~/.kde/*/kopete as there might be something munged up there08:02
e-jatnixternal: trying ..08:03
nixternal~/.kde/share/apps/kopete and ~/.kde/share/config/kopete*08:03
e-jatthen reinstall ?08:03
nixternalno need to reinstall08:03
e-jatk08:04
nixternalneed to keep the support type stuff unless it is development related to a minimum in here...as typically nobody will answer support requests in a devel channel, plus this time of night, it is odd someone is around :)08:04
e-jatnixternal: after rid off the 2 folder .. i can open kopete .. but suddently when i want to add my yahoo account .. it crash ..08:06
e-jatsymbol lookup error: /usr/lib/kde4/kopete_yahoo.so: undefined symbol: _ZN6Kopete8ProtocolC2ERK14KComponentDataP7QObjectb08:06
e-jat:(08:07
nixternalI just finished chatting with someone on yahoo, not to rub it in or anything08:08
e-jatill try to purge .. then reinstall .. is it ok ?08:09
nixternalyup08:10
nixternalnhandler: what are you doing up this late?08:10
e-jatnixternal: http://paste.ubuntu.com/193267/08:14
nixternalsudo apt-get -f install08:17
nixternalI am going to bed, g'nite08:17
e-jatnixternal: nite ..08:17
nixternal02:12:51 [   dashbot] 4.3/kdesdk build likely fixed by nixternal (5 dashstars)08:17
nixternalahh, nice little present before I go to bed :)08:17
e-jat:)08:17
e-jatcannot force to install :(08:17
nixternalthat is because kopete-crypto is bad packaging08:18
nixternalDepends: libkleo4 (= 4:4.2.2-0ubuntu1) but 4:4.2.90-0ubuntu1 is to be installed08:18
nixternalya, kopete-cryptography needs a packaging overhaul...it won't work until then08:21
nixternalon that note, g'nite!08:21
e-jatnixternal: nite .. c ya soo n08:21
Mamarokclaydoh: I answered Steven for the umpteen time and asked him to join the forum, you are in BCc08:27
Quintasanwtf, why policykit in kpackagekit asks me for ROOT password instead of mine?08:41
apacheloggerwicked code \o/09:39
freinhardgood morning! which one of the new kubuntu-ppa backports do i want on jaunty? saw that backports does contain 4.3b2 but no qt, so i guess i want experimental?09:40
freinhards/ppa backports/ppa repositories/09:41
NightroseJontheEchidna: any news on getting amarok into official backports?09:42
Tonio_Riddell: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Package+KIO?content=106694&PHPSESSID=23aaa45cf982e6a01b82587b34bb0aac09:49
Tonio_Riddell: could be a good start for a kio protocol09:49
Tonio_Riddell: especially since it links packagekit09:50
apacheloggerif only packagekit was usable09:50
Tonio_apachelogger: I'm just packaging the 0.4.x branch09:51
apacheloggerdoes it fix the upgrade-which-pulls-in-and-or-removes-packages scenario?09:52
Tonio_apachelogger: https://edge.launchpad.net/~packagekit/+archive/0.4.x09:52
Tonio_apachelogger: I don't know yet09:52
Tonio_apachelogger: but it has a lot more features09:52
apacheloggerwell, if it comes with a built in coffee machine it still would be a rather useless application for at least 25% of scenarios09:53
apacheloggernot to mention that it failing on above mentioned scneario basically makes all news on kubuntu.org rather worthless09:54
apacheloggernot that the news would be much understandable to anyone but those who would not use packagekit anyway ;-)09:54
NightroseTonio_: Riddell is out till saturday or sunday09:55
Nightroseapachelogger: do you have time to get amarok into official backports? it s*cks to still have users come to us complaining about 2.0.209:56
Nightroseit would be nice to get 2.1 to as many users as possible09:56
Tonio_Nightrose: thx for the info09:56
* apachelogger is unfortunately still on a code roll09:56
Nightroseheh09:57
NightroseTonio_: you maybe?09:57
Tonio_Nightrose: not that I don't want to, but I'm against backports, since we don't have enough resources to maintain them....10:07
Tonio_Nightrose: are there showstopper bugs with 2.0 ?10:07
Tonio_appart from poor interface ?10:07
apacheloggeranyone using synergy?10:16
NightroseTonio_: there are _a lot_ of problems with 2.0.2 and we get kubuntuusers complaining all the time plus useless bugreports10:17
Nightroseit's a real problem for upstream10:17
apacheloggerbackports aint gonna change that all to much though10:18
Nightroseand keeping 2.0.2 until karmik really hurts us10:18
Nightroseapachelogger: well a lot more people have backports enabled than the ppa10:18
Tonio_Nightrose: why not a backport then ;)10:18
NightroseTonio_: ? that's what i'm asking for10:18
Tonio_Nightrose: the thing is that I'm not very used to the backports process....10:18
Tonio_ScottK: arround ?10:18
Tonio_Nightrose: he would be the man fo this10:18
apacheloggerNightrose: I would really think that a lot is not too correct10:18
apacheloggerNightrose: backports can cause way too many problems10:19
Tonio_Nightrose: from my experience amarok works "correctly" on jaunty10:19
apacheloggerhell, even updates cause way too many :P10:19
Tonio_Nightrose: although it's not exceptional, I agree10:19
Tonio_apachelogger: that's my concern too...10:19
* apachelogger got 0.1 of his synergy plasmoid ready for release but doesn't feel like QAing it :P10:20
Nightroseapachelogger: so are you against 2.1 in backports just because not many people use it? cause if so i have to disagree10:20
apacheloggerno10:20
apacheloggerIMHO you can backport all you want, but I doubt that it will have much use against the 2.0 complaints10:20
Nightroseyou folks released with 2.0.2 which caused us a hell of a lot of bad publicity once jaunty hit people10:21
Nightroseso now please help us with getting this fixed as well as possible10:21
Nightrosei know we can't reach everyone with the update10:21
Nightroseand that's fine10:21
Nightrosebut backports helps at least with some of them10:22
Nightroseand i see no got reason not to get 2.1 into backports10:22
Nightrose*good10:25
* Nightrose really hates to complain and sound whiny about this but it really is a problem for upstream and your users10:27
Tonio_packagekit and packagekit-gnome are done.... now kpackagekit ;)10:30
tsimpsonsomeone should think up a good reply for bug #38580211:30
ubottuLaunchpad bug 385802 in kubuntu-meta "KDE updates should be available through normal repos rather than ppas" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/38580211:30
* Nightrose agrees11:32
Nightrosenixternal: ping11:32
apacheloggerhttp://www.kde-look.org:80/content/show.php?content=10671111:49
apacheloggertsimpson: like that it has been discussed and done in the past and basically just needs approval from tb anyway? :P12:00
tsimpsonapachelogger: it just needs to be worded nicely and clearly12:01
apacheloggermeh :P12:01
tsimpsonit's bound to come up again, so the answer should be "complete" I guess12:02
Quintasanmeh, I always forget there are some plasmoids that don't require compiling :P12:15
sourcemakerare there packages for the 9.30 kernel? (compatible to 9.04)?12:17
ghostcubehi folks12:26
ghostcubejust tried to do dost-upgrade and the following packages are going to be removed all dev and dbg packages12:26
ghostcubekde-devel kdebase-dev kdebase-runtime-dbg kdebase-workspace-dbg kdemultimedia-dbg kdeplasma-addons-data libplasma-dev12:26
ghostcubeis therre an replacement12:26
Mamarokdist-upgrade from what to what?12:27
ghostcubeoh sorry :) 4.2.4 to 4.30 beta 2 i think so :)12:28
Nightroseghostcube: you are probably seeing the broken backports ppa12:28
NightroseRiddell said he fixed it yesterday12:28
ghostcubehmm yes its the ppa fresh apt-get update12:28
Nightroseapachelogger: ^ can you check if the ppa is still b0rked12:29
ghostcubethx for the info :)12:29
apacheloggerNightrose: its not12:36
vorianScottK: yes, i read backlogs :P12:36
apacheloggerthe packaging however might be12:36
apacheloggerespecially the removal of -dev seems to be indicating this12:36
Nightrosejep12:37
ghostcubeso i should wait or should i update and install them later again12:44
JontheEchidnaI pushed a fixed kde-devel to kubuntu-ppa/experimental for beta113:20
JontheEchidna*kde-meta, which builds kde-devel13:21
JontheEchidnaNightrose: not yet, I'll look at it today13:23
Nightrosethx :)13:23
ghostcubeok i will wait a day guys :)13:28
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rgreeningRiddell: do you know if proxies work in Arora? Seems broken for me...13:43
rgreeningRiddell: nevermind. The proxy conf dialog is horrible. It's needs some serious love to clean-up and make more usable.13:52
rgreeningperhaps even some integration with KDE back-end...13:52
Quintasanhttp://pastebin.com/f2d825569 <-- can anyone tell what's this?14:03
tsimpsonprobably that gtk.ToggleButton.__init__() is given too many args14:05
agateaubrag time!14:22
agateaufixed background of Arora location bar when using Oxygen14:23
agateauproof: http://imagebin.ca/view/xjrm6IS.html14:23
agateau:)14:23
Lureare kubuntu alpha2 cd's already near ready?14:37
* Lure would test them tonight on his system14:37
* Lure thinks that jaunty is becoming too boring ;-)14:37
Mamarokfrom #kubuntu:14:43
Mamarok15:41 < Alcapond> Hi - installed KDE 4.3b2 today - and everything is working fine! Great work there!14:43
Quintasanhmmm, KPackageKit is asking for root password instead of mine, wtf?14:45
neversfeldeapachelogger: is Kubuntus plasma compiled with ruby support? I can't install your synergy plasma widget although ruby-kde4 and synergy are installed15:20
Quintasanwhat neversfelde said15:22
voriandudes15:32
Quintasan?15:37
voriannothing, i'm frustrated at kwin atm15:38
mgraesslinvorian: what's wrong?15:39
vorianhrmm15:40
vorianit seem dri is wrong15:40
sebasmgraesslin, zarin: after a couple of hours of use with the new driver, the move window between xinerama screens hangery is gone it seems15:40
sebasmgraesslin: update your driver :)15:41
vorianit's not kwin, its dri it seems15:41
sebasNot that it's the right channel for that ;)15:41
mgraesslin:-)15:41
sebasAnd I wondered why zarin isn't here :>15:42
vorianweird15:47
voriani selected dri again, now it accepts that configuration15:47
Nightrosevorian: hey :)   any updates on my problem by any chance?15:49
* vorian checks15:49
vorianNightrose: sometimes these things take a while to even check :/15:57
Nightrosevorian: understood15:58
flacosteis iPod touch support available in the amarok 2.1 package?16:01
flacosteit doesn't seem to work here16:01
nixternalNightrose: pong?16:19
Nightrosenixternal: got 5 mins for a query?16:19
apacheloggerneversfelde: yes it is16:20
apacheloggerneversfelde: any detailed error message?16:20
neversfeldeapachelogger: mhh, how to install synergy? I tried it from a local file and with kgethotnewstuff16:20
neversfeldeInstalling failed16:21
apacheloggerhm16:21
neversfeldeI guess that is not a detailed error message16:21
apacheloggerneversfelde: check if it is in the list16:21
apacheloggerthere might be some issue in 4.216:21
apacheloggerI only tested with 4.316:21
neversfeldeoh yes it is and I tested it with jaunty and karmic16:22
apacheloggerhmmmmmmmm16:22
apacheloggerscrewy plasma16:22
nixternalNightrose: sure16:22
neversfeldeit is only in the list, I can't add it16:22
apacheloggerneversfelde: what happens when you try?16:23
neversfeldeapachelogger: Could not create a ruby-script ScriptEngine for the Synergy widget.16:23
apacheloggerweird16:23
apacheloggerneversfelde: dpkg -S plasma.rb16:24
apacheloggerneversfelde: dpkg -S applet.rb16:25
neversfeldelibkorundum4-ruby1.8: /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/KDE/plasma.rb16:25
neversfeldedpkg: *applet.rb* nicht gefunden.16:26
apacheloggeruh16:26
apacheloggerfancy16:26
apacheloggerneversfelde: dpkg -s kdebase-workspace-data|grep Status16:27
neversfeldeStatus: install ok installed16:27
apacheloggerneversfelde: ok, that is weird ... kdebase-workspace-data should contain applet.rb16:29
apacheloggerneversfelde: try apt-get --reinstall install kdebase-workspace-data16:30
neversfeldeapplet.rb is faound on jaunty16:30
neversfeldes/faound/found16:30
apacheloggerclearly they broke karmic16:30
apacheloggerneversfelde: then it should work on jaunty16:30
neversfeldeI'll try it again16:31
neversfeldeapachelogger: nope, Installation failed16:32
apacheloggerwell16:32
apacheloggerthe loading matters16:32
apacheloggernot the installation16:32
apacheloggerI think I know why it fails16:32
apacheloggereven though I think it is stupid16:32
neversfeldeok, it is in the list now, that was not so when using kgethotnewstuff16:33
neversfeldeand it loads16:33
apacheloggerredownload16:33
apacheloggerI uploaded a version that should fix the issue16:33
JontheEchidnaugh, qtscriptgenerator is going to be a tough backport16:33
JontheEchidnaand since qtscriptbindings was never an official package...16:34
neversfeldeapachelogger: yes, works now on karmic16:35
nixternalJontheEchidna: hrmm, ya that could be a pita16:35
apacheloggerneversfelde: installation too?16:36
neversfeldeyes16:36
apacheloggerk, thx16:36
neversfeldeand installation is also ok for karmic16:36
neversfeldebut it does not load16:36
apacheloggeryeah, because there is no applet.rb16:36
apacheloggerbecause someone broke the package16:37
apacheloggerprobably by merging16:37
apacheloggerit is incredibly how high the quality of the core KDE merges are16:37
JontheEchidnaI didn't see any missing files when I reviewed kdebase-workspace this time around16:37
apacheloggermaybe the build dep was dropped16:37
apacheloggerpiping everything through a script would cause the same random regressions as we see after merging16:38
apacheloggerlike that KDM says welcome to debian stuff16:38
apacheloggerreappears _every_ cycle16:38
JontheEchidnayeah, looks like the build-dep got dropped16:38
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: also check for pykde16:39
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: and if there is still the independent python package for plasma: merge it into general workspace and make the appropriate package depend on pykde and rubykde16:39
apacheloggerthere is really no point in having script capabilities if we don't support them out-of-the-box16:40
JontheEchidnathere is a plasma-scriptengine-python package16:40
JontheEchidnaalong with ruby, qedje and webkit16:40
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: hm16:47
JontheEchidnawhich we picked up in the merge, coincidentally16:47
apacheloggerwell, it makes sense16:47
JontheEchidnayeah, we went for way too long without merging16:48
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: I suppose we need to add python ruby and webkit to the CD seed though16:48
apacheloggeror maybe even let -desktop recommend them16:48
JontheEchidnawe'd have the space if quassel was built stripped16:48
apacheloggerAFAIK those 3 are getable via GHNS16:48
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: just change the branch :P16:49
JontheEchidnaor if we used konversation :P16:49
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: also once alpha2 is out I will push my LZMA changes for pkg-kde16:49
apacheloggerthen we should easily free up the additional space we need16:49
JontheEchidnathat'll help16:49
apacheloggerevery package 1 MiB and we have a fair amount of space16:49
neversfeldethat kopete-facebook plugin should go to the cd?16:50
neversfeldeseems to be very buggy, becaus it does not react on global changes of the status16:50
apacheloggerneversfelde: no!16:51
apacheloggerit is not even advised by upstream to use it16:51
apacheloggerin fact, since I was reading the social desktop spec earlier on16:51
apacheloggerI think most of the stuff proposed there is rather impossible16:52
neversfeldeit is on the todo list16:52
apacheloggerlike having the socialdesktop plasmoid show something in the nearby tab .... how would the plasmoid know what nearby is without configuration?16:52
apachelogger+ I would find it rather weird that my desktop is suggesting to hook up with people I no absolutely nothing about16:52
nixternalapachelogger: actually it isn't impossible...at UDS I saw the people with GNOME having some of that social stuff already and it was pretty slick...like you could see who was near and start sharing files or something like that16:53
nixternalit was pretty cool..can't remember what it was called though16:53
neversfeldethe socialdesktop plasmoid is really not very good atm, thats a bigger problem :)16:53
apacheloggernixternal: why would I want to share stuff with a stranger? Oo16:53
apacheloggerI mean, it makes sense for a local network16:53
apacheloggerbut the intartubes?16:53
nixternalapachelogger: that is the way it is dude, you are so 2000's man, it is all about this social shit now16:54
apacheloggeryeah, but really, I dont even think my social-addiction friend from Graz, AT would be sending stuff to $someone just because he is on some list of nearby people16:55
apacheloggeranyway, IMHO the whole spec is built on sand :P16:55
nixternallike when you come online, I want my computer to pop up a secksy picture of you and let me know you are online and then provide me the options to either a) sms you, b) mms you, c) tweet you, d) dent you, e) email you, f) chat with you, g) call you, h) send you flowers, i) send you a birthday cake, j) let others know you are online, k) share a file with you, l) .....16:56
apacheloggerthere is no way the socialdesktop plasmoid is going to mature enough to have it that visible and that inteligent IMHO16:56
apachelogger+ I don't see how the facebook stuff is going to be there either16:56
apacheloggernixternal: yeah, but for that it needs some kind of configuration16:56
nixternalwith all of the social app shit out there dude, could you imaging the size of the options list for a social contact?16:56
apacheloggerwhich the spec mentions not to be necessary16:56
nixternalholy shit, if you had 100 friends, you would probably have a terabyte sized database storing the info16:57
apacheloggerlol16:57
apacheloggerI am not saying that socializing the desktop is a bad idea, I just find the spec rather weird :P16:57
neversfeldethere is a kfacebook bug 38569216:57
ubottuLaunchpad bug 385692 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] please, package kfacebook" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/38569216:57
apacheloggerwth is kfacebook?16:58
neversfeldea plasma widget for the desktop16:58
apacheloggeroh, also something I dislike about the spec:16:58
neversfeldethat does something with facebook16:58
apacheloggerit suggestes adding the social desktop plasmoid and the microblog plasmoid16:59
apacheloggerif we do that, we have to kick folderview16:59
nixternalare you shitting me, a kfacebook app?16:59
nixternalI will not touch that with a 10 foot pole16:59
neversfeldehehe16:59
nixternalfacebook and myspace, the 2 largest cess pools in existance16:59
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: I would recommend you triage that for later use ... I am against adding it to karmic while it is in playground17:00
apacheloggerwell by default at least :P17:00
apacheloggermuch more of use: hook up with usptream, get a PPA for semi-daily builds and help upstream mature the product17:00
apacheloggerthen again I am a QA bitch nowadays17:00
nixternalthey had a news special on our news last night about the iphone, but it was all the social aspect of it and showing the top apps and what not...like facebook, myspace, twitter and crap...and people were like "oh ya, I probably spend 8 or more hours updating my social stuff"17:00
nixternalARE YOU KIDDING ME?17:00
nixternalyou my friend, are a loser!17:00
* apachelogger updates some of his social profiles today17:01
nixternalhahah17:01
apacheloggermade me wanna kill someone17:01
e-jatelo nixternal :)17:01
apacheloggerthen I looked at beautiful ruby code and all was good :)17:01
neversfeldewe can create a metapackage kubuntu-socialdesktop, it should remove any office, any browser, any pim and add choqok and all the facebook plugins :)17:02
nixternalI never caught on to the facebook craze...a few years back raphink got me on facebook, i looked around and was like, no thank you17:02
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: also, I am not sure that thing is all too much in development looking at websvn17:02
nixternalneversfelde: kubuntu-socialdesktop - that should disable the system, therefor causing the person to go outside and be social :)17:02
apacheloggerneversfelde: yus!17:02
neversfelde:D17:03
apacheloggernixternal: that is a good idea too17:03
apacheloggerthen again17:03
apacheloggerhow do they watch entertainment videos?17:03
nixternalthere should just be IRC and that's it17:03
nixternalwhat is social about that?17:03
apacheloggerlike when they failes socializing with the targetted sex and weren't successful :P17:03
nixternalhahaha17:03
nixternalhahahahaha)*$#)*@#)*@17:03
nixternalit took me a second to catch that17:03
apacheloggerright17:04
apacheloggeruh17:04
apacheloggerbig d and the kids table - hell on earth17:04
apacheloggerawesome song17:04
apacheloggerneversfelde: so... any feedback regarding synergy?17:07
nixternalwhich synergy?17:07
nixternalthe keyboard/mouse thing?17:07
apacheloggeryes17:07
apacheloggerI wrote a plasmoid for it17:07
nixternallove that app17:07
neversfeldeapachelogger: I have a jaunty laptop and a karmic desktop17:07
apacheloggeroh17:07
neversfeldeI can't test it at the moment17:07
apacheloggerneversfelde: install *scroll*17:07
apacheloggerplasma-scriptenginge-ruby17:08
e-jatscroll ?17:08
apacheloggerscroll = Me::scrollUp.new(parent)17:09
apacheloggerneversfelde:  on my todo are still: autoconnect at startup: visual feedback as to when the application goes down (i.e. have the icon greyed out when there is no connection) and auto-restart17:09
apacheloggerfor that latter I need to test how synergy itself treats that ... cause it got tha funky feature which should restart the binary if it breaks for some reason ... no clue how that is supposed to work with a crash though17:10
e-jatowh apachelogger sorry :)17:10
apacheloggerin any case the plasmoid could restart after <= 30 seconds (or when it notices that the process died)17:11
apacheloggersebas: ping.... why would I be storing a ruby plasmoid in svn? playground/base/plasma?17:11
apacheloggernixternal: you could checkout the code ... it is so wicked I might have to refactor once it's feature complete17:12
apacheloggersomehow that thingy grew far bigger than planed17:12
apacheloggersebas: s/why/where ;-)17:13
apacheloggerproject neon needs a refactor too17:13
neversfeldehum, I am not sure how to use it :)17:13
* apachelogger meant to make that more clear at some point17:14
apacheloggerneversfelde: either you configure a server which would be the top box, or you configure a client which would be the bottom box17:14
neversfeldemy desktop has mouse and keyboard, so it is the server?17:14
apacheloggeraye17:14
neversfeldeso engage server?17:14
apacheloggernah17:14
apacheloggerfirst setu17:14
apacheloggerp17:14
apacheloggerlike when your laptop is left of the desktop's screen you want to enter the laptops host name in the left box17:15
apacheloggerneversfelde: http://aplg.kollide.net/screencasts/synergy1.ogv17:15
nixternalapachelogger: sweet dude, to make that app rock even harder, you should get it to autorecognize other machines running either the synergy client or server and then in the config you can drag and drop them into the location you want them to be17:23
nixternaland bah ruby!17:24
nixternal;p17:24
apacheloggernixternal: I thought about that17:24
nixternalthat would kick ass dude17:24
apacheloggerbut it feels like synergy implements its own protocol17:24
nixternalespecially for the noobs17:25
nixternalit does and it can autorecognize stuff17:25
nixternalthe app for windows autorecognizes other synergy clients and servers17:25
apacheloggerthat means I have to implement that though :P17:25
nixternalhehe17:25
nixternaldon't be a wimp ;p17:25
vorianhaha17:26
apacheloggerwell, the thing is... the linux stuff does not even have a shared lib, so I would have to reimplement by source17:26
apacheloggerso if the protocol changes => bye bye autodiscovery17:26
nixternalyuriy: apport...I ported it to pykde4...we are looking at the merge now...do we drop apport-qt totally, or do we keep it as a fallback? the apport-qt will still be able to use the new ui as well17:27
nixternaldon't see why we would really need it as a fallback though17:27
apacheloggerdiscovery remidns me17:27
apacheloggerONE MOAR TIME17:27
nixternalexcept when we break pykde4 ;p17:27
yuriyI don't really see why we would need to have both17:28
neversfeldeI am not clever enough to use synergy, anyway have to go back to my exam :)17:29
apacheloggeror maybe there is a bug :D17:30
nixternalthe only problem i had with synergy is something would crash, either the client or the server, and even with the --restart flag it wouldn't come back up17:31
nixternalthat has been 6+ months ago17:32
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neversfeldeah, now it works18:15
neversfelde:)18:15
neversfeldeapachelogger: nice, but where is the difference between the settings dialog and the popup window?18:15
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nixternalnice, 100 paper cuts, all Ubuntu/GNOME...I am proposing 100 Paper Kuts, what do you all think?18:17
shtylmanJontheEchidna: what were the flags to take away the window border? like what krunner did?18:18
jjessewhy duplicate?  just link the kubuntu bugs there18:18
nixternaljjesse: then at most we could only get 25...100 paper cuts == 100 bugs, and thus far there are more than 7018:19
nixternalso we get shafted18:20
nixternalthat's why I propose our own18:20
jjesseso if ther are more then 100 ubuntu/gnome bugs then they will refuse them?18:20
nixternalyes, they are only doing 10018:20
jjesseseems silly then18:20
nixternalthey are bugs that would be considered low hanging fruit, used to get people involved18:20
jjessebut if there are more then 100 low hanging fruit bugs, why not link them18:21
jjesseor will it be rolling list?  someone closes bug #100, so it frees up a spot to add another bug?18:22
ubottuLaunchpad bug 100 in rosetta "uploading po file overwrites authors list" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/10018:22
jjesselol18:22
nixternalno, just 100 bugs to fix during the dev cycle18:22
nixternaleasy bug fixes that are annoying18:23
nixternalthis way we can direct more attention that way, or....18:23
jjesseso we are only allowed to fix 100 easy bugs this dev cycle?  wouldn't it be an easy way to track historically how many low hanging bugs we close each dev cycle ?18:23
nixternalno, not us, users...this is used to get people involved18:25
nixternalinstead of us wasting our time on easy to fix bugs that are just classified as annoying, we can concentrate on the more serious bugs18:25
apacheloggerneversfelde: the popup will not show full server config18:27
apacheloggeralso, not all settings are implemented18:27
jjesseso is it a rolling list then?  like if there are 100 bugs, a user closes one bug, then can you link another one?18:27
nixternalwe could if we wanted18:27
nixternalbut why roll if they only close 1 bug...the goal is to close the 100 that are on the list for the cycle18:27
jjesseok, i see your point, just trying to understand everything18:31
jjessei'm a little slow sometimes18:31
nixternallol18:33
nixternalsometimes? :p18:33
nixternaldon't know if i am jiggy with the way they are running the 100 papercuts as a separate project, because you also have to do "Also affects project"18:34
nixternalI think a tag would be better18:34
sourcemakerI have installed the new kde beta release...18:39
sourcemakernow i receive the error message Bridged resource  has no standard resource.18:39
sourcemakerand aconadi is crashing18:39
jjessenixternal: isn't there a lowhangingfruit tag already?19:00
jjessei know the doc team discussed it awhile ago19:00
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yuriynixternal: that was discussed at the session. one of the reasons for having a separate project was that things in the papercuts project have a very different importance from what they do in ubuntu19:13
yuriynixternal: as for 100 paperkuts I was thinking the same thing even the name :)19:14
yuriyI think it's also a separate project so that the DX team could be completely in charge of it19:16
nixternaljjesse: bitesize19:25
nixternalyuriy: groovy, do you think we should create a project, utilize kubuntu-100 or something tags, or not even worry about it at all?19:26
nixternalI am looking through Kubuntu bugs searching for something to classify as a papercut, and I can't find 119:26
nixternalall of our bugs are damn crashes or hard stuff to fix :)19:26
yuriydunno. what can we get out of something like this?19:26
yuriywhat we won't get, that the 100 papercuts project has, is user testing from canonical19:27
nixternalhopefully new contributors...we really need to push for new contributors19:27
nixternalour bugs are out of control19:27
nixternalwe use the community for user testing, as they are the ones using it19:27
yuriyalso the first few bugs i heard them identify are all features that are present in kde and don't have that bug :)19:27
nixternalya, I noticed that when going through their bugs :)19:27
nixternalwe freakin' rock dude19:27
nixternalwe don't have easy annoying shit, we have real problems!!! HAHAHAHAHA19:28
jjesseis it better to have real problems or easy bugs?19:28
nixternalyou know, maybe instead of kicking this off now, maybe we should really start spec'ing an initiative to draw in new contributors19:29
nixternalour marketing sucks unfortunately19:29
nixternalthis "we are a small tight knit community" thing just doesn't fly, and I think by us always stating that and following it, we might be feeding that perception of a 2nd class citizen19:29
nixternalor my favorite, blue headed step child19:29
nixternalsabdfl: thoughts on that? do you think by us Kubuntu folks always touting kubuntu as a "small close knit community" might be part of the reason why there might be that 2nd class citizen perception from some?19:31
yuriythat was one of the things about the meeting with rick, he stated that we are and want to be a community distro and we confirmed it. which begs the question of what this support is we're supposed to be getting to not be a "2nd class citizen" if we expect to be doing our own thing19:31
nixternalclose knit community is good, but small might be hampering our efforts19:31
vorianyes19:32
vorianindeed19:32
vorianwe can be a LARGE knit group19:32
vorianlike a rug19:32
nixternalhrmm, is it time I put my business degree to use and start thinking up ways to fix our perception and create some sort of marketing initiative...we need to get people involved19:32
nixternalwe have less than 100 people in this channel, and how many would you say are actively involved and contributing to Kubuntu?19:33
yuriyyou have a business degree?19:33
* nixternal says 10, 15 at most19:33
vorianwe could steal the LoCo methods19:33
nixternalyuriy: yes :)19:33
* yuriy is always surprised by the diversity of educational background in here19:33
nixternalvorian: don't want Kubuntu LoCos19:33
* vorian has a business degree too19:33
nixternalthat separates us19:33
voriannixternal: i didn't say kubuntu locos, but some loco ideas19:33
nixternalone of these days I just might finish my MBA19:34
nixternalvorian: ahh, gotcha19:34
vorianlike the get involved stuff19:34
vorianor, we hammer our LoCo's and force kubuntu down their throats19:34
vorianie19:35
vorianso, say we have a find bug/upstream it/get patch type session with the loco's we live in19:35
vorianwe also should have another kubuntu-dev day or two19:36
yuriytutorials day you mean? I think that's planned19:36
voriangreat stuff19:37
vorianwe also should fill as many spots as we can next time there is a "Developer Week"19:37
nixternalthe Chicago LoCo used to be made up of a lot of Kubuntu users previously...now it is mostly Xubuntu people...cheap chicago people and their old machines :p19:37
vorianlol19:38
nixternalwell of course our LoCo hammer's Kubuntu and I would say 90% of the new users we attract go with Kubuntu now19:38
nixternalgetting users comes with a great community19:38
nixternalvorian: Dev Week and Open Week19:39
vorianyep19:39
nixternalfor 4 years now, Open Week has pretty much been Riddell and myself doing the same thing over and over19:40
nixternal3 years19:40
voriandidn't open week already happen though?19:40
nixternalor however long it has been around19:40
nixternalyes, but another open week will happen in less than 6 months time19:40
voriantrue19:40
nixternalthere are 2 a year19:40
voriandev week is still to come19:40
nixternalok, I am going to hammer out some ideas today and get something set up where we can fill out ideas and what not and then start spec'ing the stuff and doing the work19:41
voriancool19:41
nixternalwith dev week, we should have at least 1 Kubuntu Packaging Session, and then at least 3 developer/coding sessions19:42
vorianif each of us finds just one person, just one, we'll double in size19:42
nixternalwe will go to 20! :p19:42
nixternaland they find a person19:42
nixternalthis sounds like a triangle scam19:42
vorianthat's the Amway Way™19:42
vorianha19:42
nixternalhahah, exactly what I was talking about :)19:42
nixternaltriangle scam19:42
nixternalor shams19:42
vorianyus19:43
voriancan we steal jtate or some other dude from foresight?19:43
voriani think we can convince etank to join the dark-side19:44
nixternalint is the only one doing kde stuff for foresight19:46
vorianeeek19:46
nixternalint works, or worked for, rPath19:46
nixternaljtate was helping and still might be, but i don't think he is with rpath anymore19:46
vorianyowzer19:46
nixternali haven't paid attention there19:46
nixternalI tried to help for a little bit and it was fun for a while19:47
nixternalbut it just seemed like it wasn't going anywhere fast19:47
nixternalconary was fun to package for, but using it to install and update was painful at best19:47
nixternalthey tout the whole recipe file which is great (ie. same thing as a .spec file for RPMs) but it forced people to learn and use Python19:48
vorianyeah19:48
voriani have a few packages in foresight19:48
nixternalhonestly if it weren't for conary, I probably still wouldn't be messing with python19:48
vorianit's painfully slow19:48
nixternali have/had like 50 maybe19:49
vorianPAIN19:49
nixternalI did 5 packages in 30 minutes the night I learned how to mook and cook :)19:49
vorianhaha19:49
nixternalheh, I have/had packages in pretty much every distro out there19:49
vorianhmm19:50
nixternalCentOS, openSUSE, Debian, Mepis (we all have packages in Mepis, you just might not know that), Foresight19:50
nixternalGentoo I have nothing though19:50
vorianI met the Mepis dude at OLF a couple years back19:50
nixternalhehe, I have known warren for a few years19:50
nixternalI was working on mepis before I came to Kubuntu19:51
nixternalhow mepis is as strong as it is is beyond me19:51
nixternalwarren was the only one allowed for the longest time to do packaging in mepis19:51
nixternaland getting the source files a long time ago were a pita19:51
nixternalthey would linke to our archives sometimes :)19:51
nixternalI think warren might be more hillbilly than you vorian19:52
nixternalI would put warren and ben collins in the hillbilly boat together :)19:52
nixternalsince they are both in west virginia19:52
vorianwell, I did grow up in Arkansas - I usually win those argments19:52
vorianarguments too19:52
nixternaloh wow19:52
nixternalwhere at? Pocohontas?19:53
nixternallittle rock isn't hillbilly19:53
vorianna, Bentonville19:53
nixternalgo WalMart!19:53
vorianVery northwest corner19:53
vorianhaha, yeah19:53
nixternalI know where it is19:53
nixternalmy sisters are from Pocahontas19:53
vorianyikes, now that's the sticks19:53
nixternalI am heading to Pocahontas in a couple of weeks actually19:53
vorianit'll be hot and hot this time of year19:54
vorianalso hot19:54
nixternalI probably won't get out of the car in fear of catching something the news hasn't reported yet19:54
vorianhaha19:54
nixternalok, I am going to drag jono into it and see how he might be able to help...going to put his community skills to the test20:12
nixternal;)20:12
JontheEchidnashtylman:20:25
JontheEchidna    setAttribute(Qt::WA_TranslucentBackground);20:25
JontheEchidna    setButtons(0);20:25
JontheEchidnathat was for a KDialog20:25
nixternalisn't that a hack though?20:37
nixternalcan't you just use Qt.SplashScreen20:38
nixternalhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/RichardJohnson/KubuntuInitiative  <- vorian ... that's what I come up with in 5 minutes :)20:45
* vorian looks21:18
QuintasanARGH21:25
Quintasananyone can send files over bluetooth using kbluetooth?21:25
MamarokQuintasan: works only one way for me21:26
QuintasanMamarok: from PC to deivce?21:27
Quintasans/deivice/device21:27
MamarokQuintasan: yes21:27
Quintasanlucky21:27
Mamarokare there problems with the 4.2.90 packages? I didn't have any when I upgraded, but someone in #kubuntu has 30 packages held back...21:33
Quintasanhttp://imagebin.ca/view/dPxeCoo.html  <-- that is what I get when sending21:37
QuintasanMamarok: nope, I just added the repo, refreshed and installed, only some overwrites21:41
Quintasanhttp://imagebin.ca/view/BRlnPo.html <-- can someone tell why the panel behaves like this?21:41
MamarokQuintasan: well, I had one held back only21:42
voriannixternal: i like "I am Kubuntu"21:51
davmor2Quintasan: Your not hitting it with your trust bloody work hammer hard enough :D21:53
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Quintasandavmor2: and you are reffering to my bluetooth or panel? :P21:54
davmor2Quintasan: both21:54
davmor2multi-purpose hammer you can hit as many broken apps with it as you want :D21:55
blizzzi hate "i am asdfasdf". until now i am germany  and i am pope. at least in germany it is worn out.21:56
Quintasandavmor2: too bad it doesnt work on kdebluetooth :<21:56
ghostcubehmm i updated a box from a friend to 4.2.90 and crashed it :D22:15
ghostcubekde bahaves a bit strange22:15
ghostcubeso i will wait -_-22:17
shtylmanJontheEchidna: I tired that and it gives me an AttributeError at runtime (with python) :( ...22:18
shtylman*tried22:18
Riddelldoods22:34
RiddellI hope you're missing me22:34
yao_ziyuanoxygen-molecule has emerged as a gtk+ theme engine that resembles the kde4 oxygen style much better than qtcurve/gtk222:34
yao_ziyuanhttp://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Oxygen-Molecule+KDE+%26+GTK%2B+unified+theme?content=10374122:34
Riddellryanakca, apachelogger: can you update the 4.3 beta story to point to the kubuntu-ppa/backports repository (assuming it's all compiled now)22:37
Tonio_hum Riddell should we patch digikam and gwenview to require kipi-plugins via update-notifier ?22:39
Tonio_since that's too big to fit on the cd....22:39
JontheEchidnaplus it needs the gtk libgpod for the ipod plugin22:40
milianlex79: the backported kdebase does not contain any kdebase-dev - can you fix that? (backported to jaunty)22:40
RiddellTonio_: can do yes22:41
Riddelldid alpha 2 hapen/22:41
Riddell?22:41
milianouh theres kdebase-workspace-dev - is that the new one?22:44
milianbut why does it contain a .so22:44
milianklsofwidget (or similar)22:44
milianit also seems to contain libkephal.so22:46
milianlooks like kdebase-workspace-dev is broken22:46
Tonio_Riddell: I'm right now packaging kpackagekit... all packagekit 0.4 branch is on the packagekit ppa if you wanna test22:47
milianlex79: if you need more input from my side let me know, quassel will let me catch up. I'm going of to sleep now though22:51
milianby all22:51
RiddellCanonical wanting to hire KDE developer.  as blogged on kdedevelopers.org22:53
milianone other thing: if kdebase-dev is not there anymore, kde-devel meta-package has to be adapted22:54
lex79JontheEchidna: should I backport kde-devel from karmic?22:59
JontheEchidnalex79: it's in -experimental23:00
lex79JontheEchidna: old experimental? in the new one I don't see it23:01
JontheEchidnameta-kde?23:03
lex79JontheEchidna: I don't understand...the pckage shoul be named kde-devel23:05
lex79*package23:05
JontheEchidnameta-kde builds kde-devel23:05
JontheEchidnajust like kdebase-workspace builds the systemsettings package23:05
lex79ah...true :)23:06
lex79JontheEchidna: to upload in backport, bump depends is need for you?23:09
_Groo_hi/2 all..23:17
lex79ok, uploaded to backports23:18
ryanakcaRiddell: sure23:40
Tonio_Riddell: I have another cmake issue I haven't been able to figure out with kpackagekit 0.4.1.123:41
Tonio_Riddell: I must say I don't knew exactly how to investigate, so in case you wanna help...23:42
ryanakcaRiddell: Also, do you think I should get the new appearance setup for 5.6 or should I port the existing theme to Drupal 6.0 and then get the new appearance set up then? Matt says that if we have the theme ready, we'll have 90% of the work for switching to Drupal 6.0 done...23:42
Tonio_Riddell: you can find all packagekit required packages on lauchpad.net/~packagekit23:43
Tonio_the concerned ppa is 0.4.x branch23:43

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