[00:49] netsplits suck === blizzzek is now known as blizzz [01:12] Tonio_: No problem. I figure you're doing the work, so writing the spec is the least I can do. [01:13] hey [01:13] I get "CMake Error at /usr/share/kde4/apps/cmake/modules/FindPhonon.cmake:63 (message):" trying to compile choqok [01:13] any idea what's wrong? (I'm on karmic) [01:14] I have libphonon-dev and libqt4-phonon-dev installed [01:14] you'll need to re-install kdelibs5-dev [01:14] sudo apt-get install kdelibs5-dev --reinstall [01:15] ok, thanks a lot [01:15] JontheEchidna: plasma-addons FTBS on kubuntu backport [01:16] * JontheEchidna mumbles something about everything being perfect in -experimental [01:16] JontheEchidna: me too [01:17] maybe we can drop libmarble-dev [01:17] JontheEchidna: still happening http://pastie.org/private/azeiw5upzpyftlrpo0mscw [01:17] bobesponja: maybe try reinstalling libqt4-phonon-dev and kdelibs5-dev [01:17] k [01:17] lex79: maybe it's trying to build against an old libmarble-dev? [01:18] like maybe if it was still using 4.2.85 when it started building [01:18] JontheEchidna: yes [01:18] uhm [01:18] Get:321 http://ftpmaster.internal jaunty/main libmarble-dev 4:4.2.2-0ubuntu1 [51.8kB] [01:19] JontheEchidna: I try to retry build [01:19] * ScottK notes https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdenetwork/4:4.2.90-0ubuntu3/+build/1069000/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-karmic-armel.kdenetwork_4:4.2.90-0ubuntu3_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz at NCommander. [01:19] awesome, thanks :) [01:19] it worked [01:19] :D [01:21] bobesponja: is there a new choqok version? [01:21] neversfelde: no, but I like to run trunk :) [01:21] ah ok, not many changes, or? [01:22] JontheEchidna: btw, I'm disagree with these ppas, in italian forum users confusion, they don't know what to do [01:22] me too :( [01:22] its not exactly like we can downgrade though. We're screwed [01:24] what's wrong with ppa? [01:24] oh, beta2 got uploaded to kubuntu-ppa/backports instead of kubuntu-ppa/experimental [01:24] nothing but headaches [01:25] will it be moved to experimental? [01:25] nothing should be in experimental except stuff we need tested [01:25] like networkplasmajiggy [01:26] actually, it was all in experimental and ready to release monday [01:26] I think it is not a good solution to provide stable software and beta versions in the same ppa. People who want to install amarok 2.1 are upgrading to 4.3 beta [01:26] right [01:27] hrm [01:27] this is what we used kubuntu-experimental for last cycle with KDE 4.1 [01:27] *4.2 [01:27] Once KDE hit 4.2.0, it went in to kubuntu-members-kde4 (analagous to kubuntu-ppa/backports) [01:28] This was just a failure of communication [01:28] yes ! [01:30] anyway, we need warnings to not use ppas in productive environments and a description of what ppas are, when we publis [01:30] sorry [01:30] publish some news on kubuntu.org [01:30] as well as the mailing list and forums too [01:31] there are people who have beta2 from experimental and people who have beta2 from backports and peopple who have both lol [01:32] that can't be... healthy. urgh [01:32] urgh [01:33] I think the only solution to not confuse users ist to shutdown the old experimental ppa and to create a wiki page that describes the difference between the three new ppas [01:33] I started one here https://wiki.kubuntu.org/ChristianMangold/UsingKubuntuPPAs [01:33] probably a native speaker can write a better text? [01:33] neversfelde: i agree [01:34] the problem isn't with the old experimental ppa [01:34] I already cleared that one out [01:34] this page should be linked in every news that is about software in our ppas [01:34] the problem is that the new ones are being misused already :( [01:34] yes, that might be the reason why users are so confused [01:37] http://machinecrusade.net/100_2694.JPG [01:38] how can be it being used incorrectly already? [01:38] ok, here's the story from the top [01:38] KDE 4.3 beta2 should go to experimental, before hundreds of users smash their systems with beta software :) [01:39] as we all know, we have Amarok 2.1 in kubuntu-ppa/backports [01:39] we also had KDE 4.3 beta 1 in kubuntu-ppa/experimental [01:39] ScottK, yeah, saw that [01:39] the ninjas package 4.3 beta2 and push it to experimental by monday this week [01:40] Riddell thinks we're uploading to kubuntu-ppa/backports and starts to copy the packages over [01:41] the builds fail for some reason or another (dunno why), and then when I get Riddell's ping I tell him that we were supposed to be using experimental [01:41] NCommander: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdegames/4:4.2.90-0ubuntu1~ppa1/+build/1065645/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-karmic-armel.kdegames_4:4.2.90-0ubuntu1~ppa1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz too [01:41] but then he goes and rebuilds them and does a release with the packages half built [01:42] JontheEchidna, ? [01:42] and now we have all the headaches [01:42] NCommander: not related to arm, see backlog [01:42] Yeah, sounds like fun [01:42] And I got reports that python-qt4/sip4 are suffering an all-architecture breakage that breaks plasma [01:42] * neversfelde is glad, that he uses a dev release, better than jaunty with ppas :D [01:43] ^unfortunately this may be true :/ [01:43] * NCommander still needs to wipe and rebuild his laptop [01:43] like I said, just a failure of communication [01:44] why not move amarok to a safer place? [01:44] we should pull back the news on kubuntu.org, delete the packages in ppa backports and upload 4.3 beta2 again to experimental, if that is not yet done === santiago-pgsql is now known as santiago-ve [01:45] we can just copy them, no need to upload [01:45] ok [01:45] no need, they're already in experimental [01:46] experimental has been ready for release since monday ;-) [01:46] than only change the news on kubuntu.org and delte in backports [01:46] in experimental are build against libqt 4.5.1, in backport not [01:46] s/than/then [01:46] ah man, and they have the same version in both ppas don't they... [01:46] we may have to re-up just to bump the version a bit [01:47] yes [01:52] JontheEchidna: JontheEchidna: backports is intended for backports of the next KDE releases. experimental has stuff like qt 4.5.1 in it which is for different users [01:52] so, the problem is build against 4.5.1 or not for beta2 backport? [01:53] I don't think that's really a problem [01:53] all of the beta1 users have been using 4.5.1 [01:54] The users of Amarok 2.1 and KDE 4.3 beta x *are* quite different, however [01:54] JontheEchidna: why? users have used experimental for beta1? [01:54] right, beta1 was published to experimental and released [01:55] oh [01:57] I think amarok and other apps -> backports, kde 4.3-> experimental, kde 4.2.x -> updates [01:57] +1 [01:57] yeah, that's what we did for jaunty (except with ppas with different names) [01:57] What's the official usage of backports? [01:57] and once KDE 4.3 is stable -> Updates [01:57] and updates staging? what is? lol [01:58] lex79: for building stuff before pushing to -updates, -backports, etc [01:58] so that we can build everything and get it all published so people don't get half-upgraded systems while everything is building [01:58] but we dont' have enough space to use it yet :/ [01:58] ok [01:58] the soyuz dudes are being unusually slow about that [01:59] vorian: What's whith the power supply pic? [01:59] I am confused [02:00] DaskreeCH: I just had my computer open to put a new graphics card in, and thought I'd take a pic [02:00] can Amarok 2.1 go to updates, when it is tested enough? [02:00] i am too but i'm not quite the developer so i get confused easily [02:00] neversfelde: once kde 4.3 is stable -> updates I think is not a good solution, because where we can put 4.2.x if in updates there is 4.3? [02:00] neversfelde: a more correct would be official ubuntu backports [02:00] So how come Amarok and Koffice don't go to backports ? [02:01] the ppa backports or the official backports? [02:02] amarok and koffice is in official backports? [02:02] so 4.2.* is an update and the stable 4.3 will be a backport? [02:02] nope, amarok might be in official backports soon though [02:02] So what's the difference between fficial backports and ppa backports ? [02:03] neversfelde: correct [02:03] If 4.3 is "good enough" it'd probably go in to jaunty-backports like 4.2 did for intrepid [02:03] We sign off on ppa backports while someone else signs off on Onfficial ? [02:03] (4.3 final) [02:03] less red tape, so we can get stuff up there the day of the release [02:03] in unofficial backports [02:03] Ok so functioanlly there is no difference other than time lag ? [02:04] we should call it test-updates and test-backports :) [02:04] right, that and varying quality caused by blunders such as these [02:04] *varying quality issues [02:04] ok so it's agreed that experimental is the lowest quality and the shortest time period [02:05] should updates be high quality long time period before release? [02:05] I still think that alpha and beta packages should never be in backports or updates ppa, that stuff should be in experimental [02:06] as amarok beta was [02:06] me too [02:08] so what's the difference between backports and updates? [02:08] how the hell do you bring a machine out of standby mode? [02:08] updates is safer? [02:08] nixternal: Offer it a seat [02:08] DaskreeCH: updates is like 4.2.3 to 4.2.4 [02:09] we can then use the -updates packages for regression testing to hopefully get it in to official updates [02:09] vorian: so major version bumps never turn up there? [02:09] DaskreeCH: ✓ [02:09] if in the middle of a Kubuntu cycle they put out Koffice 2.6 backports gets that and updates keeps Koffice 2.5.x ? [02:09] yes [02:10] ok now we need to kinda enforce that socially :0 [02:10] YUS! [02:10] nixternal: laptop? [02:10] * DaskreeCH also thinks that we need some regression tests for auto builds [02:10] When is hte next Kubuntu meeting ? [02:11] DaskreeCH: http://www.doodle.com/gnrcikfvukhxce2s [02:12] seems to be no targeted date yet [02:12] neversfelde: Ha ha I guess it wasnt't today? [02:12] the main KDE release updates are not autobuilds [02:13] hehe [02:13] The best time seems to be Tuesday at 9 UTC [02:13] darn it! [02:13] or should I say... 21:00 UTC [02:13] I always miss the meetings [02:14] vorian: yes but stil something like a scriptthat will run an install of atlest kubuntu-desktop and then run each program to see if they break and record errors [02:14] stupid $WORK [02:14] DaskreeCH: oh, yes - I agree with that [02:28] http://tinyurl.com/kubuntuwww [02:36] JontheEchidna: Oh, darn, were all those times UTC? [02:36] * ryanakca should probably change his times then [02:38] that's the best we can guess [02:38] otherwise all the times are a lot later than usual [02:43] wait the times were UTC? that might explain things [02:43] they're still weird though === Guest54546 is now known as santiago-ve [03:26] Apport PyQt4 -> PyKDE4 complete! [03:26] ^5 nixternal! [03:27] 2 apport tasks down, 2 more to go :) [03:31] Riddell: apport-kde completed :) [03:35] interesting...2 messages asking me for something I can't do: msg#1) get me free ubuntu t-shirts (note I can't even get myself free ubuntu t-shirts silly), and msg#2) can you get me on board at canonical (note I can't even get myself on board at Canonical silly) [03:35] interesting emails this evening [03:36] back to hacking on apport...want to get it all done so I can have my plate cleared for Kubuntu Netbook Hacking [03:37] nixternal: can you get ME on board at canonical though? [03:37] get you on board the end of my foot! :p [03:38] :o [03:38] * vorian should get a netbook [03:38] * vorian figures out how to talk the mrs into it [03:39] Help -> Report Bug should use apport [03:39] where do I even start on that one, anyone want to offer me a tip? [03:39] and if you tell me to not play leapfrog with a unicorn I will beat you up [03:40] nixternal: There's a launchpad integration patch somewhere that should be a good basis. [03:40] right, I have been trying to find that damn thing [03:40] that was in KDE3 [03:40] * nixternal goes back, WAY BACK! [03:40] No, we had one in Jaunty. [03:40] hrmm, just didn't stick I take it [03:41] Or maybe we didn't. Dunno for sure. [03:41] hrmm [03:41] * ScottK has been home less than 24 hours since before UDS, so my situational awareness is kind of low ATM. [03:42] for stuff in bzr that is under ~kubuntu-members, can people propose merges that aren't in ~kubuntu-members? [03:42] instead of passing silly diffs around [03:42] Anyone can propose a merge. [03:43] If you're in kubuntu-members you can just commit directly. [03:43] ok, wasn't for sure how it worked when it was a team branch and not a project branch [03:45] oh sweet, the integration should be easy [03:47] heh, how to fix standby issue in Ubuntu -> ctrl+alt+sysrq+r ctrl+alt+sysrq+s ctrl+alt+sysrq+e ctrl+alt+sysrq+i ctrl+alt+sysrq+u ctrl+alt+sysrq+b will fix it, youll reboot though. [03:47] sounds like Windows :p [03:48] really? [03:49] that's what was recommended to me [03:51] *don't press random buttons like that again* [04:01] Why Ctrl+Alt ? [04:02] So bringing back up the Repos discussion [04:02] Digikam is coming up for a 1.0 release Would that be in backports? [04:03] can someone help me on this : http://paste.ubuntu.com/192900/ [04:04] 06/10/09|18:17 < JontheEchidna> sudo apt-get install kdelibs5-dev --reinstall [04:04] 06/10/09|18:20 < JontheEchidna> bobesponja: maybe try reinstalling libqt4-phonon-dev and kdelibs5-dev [04:04] e-jat: ^ [04:06] need to reinstall it .. trying ... [04:08] e-jat: sudo apt-get --purge remove libqt4-phonon-dev [04:08] then reinstall it...totally forgot about that [04:09] nixternal: ok thanks .. [04:10] wow, i have him same advice. lol [04:10] nixternal: http://tinyurl.com/nets7t [04:10] thats y i try to compile kopete from svn [04:11] even i hv update to version kopete 4.2.90-0ubuntu3 ... the bugs still happen [04:15] thanks nixternal its work .. :) [04:30] e-jat: I apologize for not even catching that last night [04:30] I recently had the same exact issue [04:30] it was an upgrade last week that broke that [04:30] nixternal: owh .. [04:30] i just upgrade to karmic .. [04:31] hopefully .. compiling from svn will get temp fix [04:33] I am a quilt dummy!!! [04:34] bah, I see why the hell it isn't working for me [04:34] nixternal: still cant make kopete work :( [04:35] kopete: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/kde4/kopete_yahoo.so: undefined symbol: _ZN6Kopete8ProtocolC2ERK14KComponentDataP7QObjectb [04:38] * DaskreeCH kicks Coova Chilli hard [04:38] should i purge the kopete n try to reinstall with the latest package ? [04:40] nixternal: r u working on it now ? bah, I see why the hell it isn't working for me <---- may i know why ? :) [04:40] Why does kontact turn up twice in Krunner? [04:49] <_groo_> hi/2 all [04:49] <_groo_> JontheEchidna: jon are you there? [04:49] <_groo_> ScottK: scott? [04:49] <_groo_> apachelogger: ping? [04:50] <_groo_> any dev? :P [04:50] <_groo_> i hate when devs have a life ¬¬ [04:50] _groo_: What's up? [04:51] <_groo_> hi ScottK [04:51] <_groo_> ScottK: are you guys aware that kdeutils is broken in both experimental and backports? beta 2 [04:51] I'm not. [04:51] <_groo_> kdeutils: Depends: kde-printer-applet (>= 4:4.2.90-0ubuntu1~jaunty1~ppa1) but it is not going to be installed [04:52] Same problem I uploaded a fix for yesterday to the archive, right? [04:52] <_groo_> which makes sense since in the ppas the package is renamed as printer-applet only [04:52] <_groo_> ScottK: but you sent to karmic correct? [04:52] <_groo_> no one updated jaunty [04:52] Yes. [04:53] ScottK: how bout kopete :( [04:53] _groo_: I haven't been following the PPA packages. [04:53] <_groo_> and since you guys published it in the kubuntu page, its gonna piss a lot of otherwise happy users :d [04:54] <_groo_> also kdebindings is nowhere to be found.. and it was working correctly in experimental [04:55] _groo_: its mean better user kubuntu-experimental ? [04:55] rather than kubuntu-ppa? [04:57] _groo_: I'm currently on travel for $WORK, so only have limited attention to pay to Kubuntu right now (I've been home for less than 24 hours since before UDS). [04:57] <_groo_> e-jat: bot have the same problem, since backports only copied the experimental pckages [04:57] <_groo_> ScottK: sure scort, im not complaining, im just reporting, could you please inform the proper channels then? [04:58] _groo_: thats why desktop gone .... so i decide to move to karmic .. [04:58] <_groo_> i gotta go in 5, just wanted to report what i found [04:58] This is pretty much the proper channel. [04:58] Maybe vorian can fix .... [04:58] <_groo_> does vorian reads backlogs? [04:58] Maybe. [04:59] <_groo_> 50/50 answer.. i love those ¬¬ [04:59] <_groo_> dave.. will i dream? [04:59] <_groo_> maybe... [05:00] <_groo_> for those too young.. shamelesse rip of 2010 space odissey [05:00] * ScottK is not too young. [05:00] <_groo_> mid thirties? [05:01] <_groo_> well gotta go before my wife kills me :D see ya all tomorrow... [05:01] * _groo_ out [05:04] * ScottK notes groo is short a decade. [05:05] :) [05:23] Riddell: I have been thinking...and if we have the room (or can maybe create the room) putting a few games on the install disk might be a good idea. Firstly, users can play a game or two while they wait for the install. Second...having a game or two preinstalled means that if they have downtime or are waiting for updates they can go launch a game. Games might also make it more likely that they search for more games through pac [05:23] installer and become more familiar with that at the same time....just a few quick thoughts ;) [05:24] shtylman: We discussed this a bit at UDS and decided not. [05:24] ScottK: yea...I remember...just wanted to bring it up in case we ever did create the disk space [05:24] I think the potential benefits are there for the lay person [05:25] I know it probly won't happen...but we can bounce it around every now and then :) [05:29] shtylman: How goes OOo? [05:29] ScottK: good...I sent my initial patches to the OO list for some installation help. [05:29] Cool. [05:29] I have the migration mostly done and just got stuck on the actual install part [05:30] so once I get a response to that I hope to have something in my PPA before too long [05:57] arora is currently leaking memory quite a bit worse than firefox, that's got to be fixed [06:47] pfft, changing out the bug report stuff in KDE was a hell of a lot easier than I though [06:48] I utilized all of the bug report framework already in place, just changed it to a process and fed it: [06:49] *proc << '/usr/share/apport/apport-qt' << '-f' << '-p' << aboutData->appName(); [06:50] <3 kdelibs [06:52] now lets see if it builds :p [07:45] nixternal: r u here? [07:59] e-jat: ya [07:59] booyah, added the apport support to kdelibs for Report Bug, just pushed to bzr the changes [07:59] how your kopete ? [08:00] and, I also fixed an upstream issue with kdesdk and not building since someone forgot to add -DQT3_SUPPORT for svn kioslave [08:00] e-jat: it works [08:00] is it not supposed to work? [08:02] i reinstall the kopete 4:4.2.90-0ubuntu3 still not work :( [08:02] knocking out that Kubuntu/Todo list baby! [08:02] mine works fine [08:02] so where should i look into ? [08:02] e-jat: you might need to get rid of ~/.kde/*/kopete as there might be something munged up there [08:03] nixternal: trying .. [08:03] ~/.kde/share/apps/kopete and ~/.kde/share/config/kopete* [08:03] then reinstall ? [08:03] no need to reinstall [08:04] k [08:04] need to keep the support type stuff unless it is development related to a minimum in here...as typically nobody will answer support requests in a devel channel, plus this time of night, it is odd someone is around :) [08:06] nixternal: after rid off the 2 folder .. i can open kopete .. but suddently when i want to add my yahoo account .. it crash .. [08:06] symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/kde4/kopete_yahoo.so: undefined symbol: _ZN6Kopete8ProtocolC2ERK14KComponentDataP7QObjectb [08:07] :( [08:08] I just finished chatting with someone on yahoo, not to rub it in or anything [08:09] ill try to purge .. then reinstall .. is it ok ? [08:10] yup [08:10] nhandler: what are you doing up this late? [08:14] nixternal: http://paste.ubuntu.com/193267/ [08:17] sudo apt-get -f install [08:17] I am going to bed, g'nite [08:17] nixternal: nite .. [08:17] 02:12:51 [ dashbot] 4.3/kdesdk build likely fixed by nixternal (5 dashstars) [08:17] ahh, nice little present before I go to bed :) [08:17] :) [08:17] cannot force to install :( [08:18] that is because kopete-crypto is bad packaging [08:18] Depends: libkleo4 (= 4:4.2.2-0ubuntu1) but 4:4.2.90-0ubuntu1 is to be installed [08:21] ya, kopete-cryptography needs a packaging overhaul...it won't work until then [08:21] on that note, g'nite! [08:21] nixternal: nite .. c ya soo n [08:27] claydoh: I answered Steven for the umpteen time and asked him to join the forum, you are in BCc [08:41] wtf, why policykit in kpackagekit asks me for ROOT password instead of mine? [09:39] wicked code \o/ [09:40] good morning! which one of the new kubuntu-ppa backports do i want on jaunty? saw that backports does contain 4.3b2 but no qt, so i guess i want experimental? [09:41] s/ppa backports/ppa repositories/ [09:42] JontheEchidna: any news on getting amarok into official backports? [09:49] Riddell: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Package+KIO?content=106694&PHPSESSID=23aaa45cf982e6a01b82587b34bb0aac [09:49] Riddell: could be a good start for a kio protocol [09:50] Riddell: especially since it links packagekit [09:50] if only packagekit was usable [09:51] apachelogger: I'm just packaging the 0.4.x branch [09:52] does it fix the upgrade-which-pulls-in-and-or-removes-packages scenario? [09:52] apachelogger: https://edge.launchpad.net/~packagekit/+archive/0.4.x [09:52] apachelogger: I don't know yet [09:52] apachelogger: but it has a lot more features [09:53] well, if it comes with a built in coffee machine it still would be a rather useless application for at least 25% of scenarios [09:54] not to mention that it failing on above mentioned scneario basically makes all news on kubuntu.org rather worthless [09:54] not that the news would be much understandable to anyone but those who would not use packagekit anyway ;-) [09:55] Tonio_: Riddell is out till saturday or sunday [09:56] apachelogger: do you have time to get amarok into official backports? it s*cks to still have users come to us complaining about 2.0.2 [09:56] it would be nice to get 2.1 to as many users as possible [09:56] Nightrose: thx for the info [09:56] * apachelogger is unfortunately still on a code roll [09:57] heh [09:57] Tonio_: you maybe? [10:07] Nightrose: not that I don't want to, but I'm against backports, since we don't have enough resources to maintain them.... [10:07] Nightrose: are there showstopper bugs with 2.0 ? [10:07] appart from poor interface ? [10:16] anyone using synergy? [10:17] Tonio_: there are _a lot_ of problems with 2.0.2 and we get kubuntuusers complaining all the time plus useless bugreports [10:17] it's a real problem for upstream [10:18] backports aint gonna change that all to much though [10:18] and keeping 2.0.2 until karmik really hurts us [10:18] apachelogger: well a lot more people have backports enabled than the ppa [10:18] Nightrose: why not a backport then ;) [10:18] Tonio_: ? that's what i'm asking for [10:18] Nightrose: the thing is that I'm not very used to the backports process.... [10:18] ScottK: arround ? [10:18] Nightrose: he would be the man fo this [10:18] Nightrose: I would really think that a lot is not too correct [10:19] Nightrose: backports can cause way too many problems [10:19] Nightrose: from my experience amarok works "correctly" on jaunty [10:19] hell, even updates cause way too many :P [10:19] Nightrose: although it's not exceptional, I agree [10:19] apachelogger: that's my concern too... [10:20] * apachelogger got 0.1 of his synergy plasmoid ready for release but doesn't feel like QAing it :P [10:20] apachelogger: so are you against 2.1 in backports just because not many people use it? cause if so i have to disagree [10:20] no [10:20] IMHO you can backport all you want, but I doubt that it will have much use against the 2.0 complaints [10:21] you folks released with 2.0.2 which caused us a hell of a lot of bad publicity once jaunty hit people [10:21] so now please help us with getting this fixed as well as possible [10:21] i know we can't reach everyone with the update [10:21] and that's fine [10:22] but backports helps at least with some of them [10:22] and i see no got reason not to get 2.1 into backports [10:25] *good [10:27] * Nightrose really hates to complain and sound whiny about this but it really is a problem for upstream and your users [10:30] packagekit and packagekit-gnome are done.... now kpackagekit ;) [11:30] someone should think up a good reply for bug #385802 [11:30] Launchpad bug 385802 in kubuntu-meta "KDE updates should be available through normal repos rather than ppas" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/385802 [11:32] * Nightrose agrees [11:32] nixternal: ping [11:49] http://www.kde-look.org:80/content/show.php?content=106711 [12:00] tsimpson: like that it has been discussed and done in the past and basically just needs approval from tb anyway? :P [12:01] apachelogger: it just needs to be worded nicely and clearly [12:01] meh :P [12:02] it's bound to come up again, so the answer should be "complete" I guess [12:15] meh, I always forget there are some plasmoids that don't require compiling :P [12:17] are there packages for the 9.30 kernel? (compatible to 9.04)? [12:26] hi folks [12:26] just tried to do dost-upgrade and the following packages are going to be removed all dev and dbg packages [12:26] kde-devel kdebase-dev kdebase-runtime-dbg kdebase-workspace-dbg kdemultimedia-dbg kdeplasma-addons-data libplasma-dev [12:26] is therre an replacement [12:27] dist-upgrade from what to what? [12:28] oh sorry :) 4.2.4 to 4.30 beta 2 i think so :) [12:28] ghostcube: you are probably seeing the broken backports ppa [12:28] Riddell said he fixed it yesterday [12:28] hmm yes its the ppa fresh apt-get update [12:29] apachelogger: ^ can you check if the ppa is still b0rked [12:29] thx for the info :) [12:36] Nightrose: its not [12:36] ScottK: yes, i read backlogs :P [12:36] the packaging however might be [12:36] especially the removal of -dev seems to be indicating this [12:37] jep [12:44] so i should wait or should i update and install them later again [13:20] I pushed a fixed kde-devel to kubuntu-ppa/experimental for beta1 [13:21] *kde-meta, which builds kde-devel [13:23] Nightrose: not yet, I'll look at it today [13:23] thx :) [13:28] ok i will wait a day guys :) === jjesse_ is now known as jjesse [13:43] Riddell: do you know if proxies work in Arora? Seems broken for me... [13:52] Riddell: nevermind. The proxy conf dialog is horrible. It's needs some serious love to clean-up and make more usable. [13:52] perhaps even some integration with KDE back-end... [14:03] http://pastebin.com/f2d825569 <-- can anyone tell what's this? [14:05] probably that gtk.ToggleButton.__init__() is given too many args [14:22] brag time! [14:23] fixed background of Arora location bar when using Oxygen [14:23] proof: http://imagebin.ca/view/xjrm6IS.html [14:23] :) [14:37] are kubuntu alpha2 cd's already near ready? [14:37] * Lure would test them tonight on his system [14:37] * Lure thinks that jaunty is becoming too boring ;-) [14:43] from #kubuntu: [14:43]