[00:52] <hggdh> sigh. another tornado warning
[00:53] <hggdh> brb. Or not...
[06:34] <dholbach> good morning
[06:56] <neoXsys> Ubuntu 9.04, Sound Control -> Recording, Recording buttons always remains false. :(
[06:56] <neoXsys> Is that know Bug?
[06:58] <neoXsys> Even code it self says the same :( http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/193231/
[07:28] <thekorn> good morning
[07:28] <micahg> morning
[07:29] <thekorn> and happy hug day everybody!
[07:29] <thekorn> morning micahg
[07:29] <micahg> I hugged 4 already :)
[07:29]  * thekorn hugs micahg 
[13:14] <pedro_> folks we're celebrating a hug day today! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20090611 feel free to start triaging any bug of that list and if you have any questions please ask those in the channel
[14:18] <pedro_> salut seb128
[14:18] <seb128> pedro_: ola
[14:38] <MagicFab> heya
[14:38] <MagicFab> I am not sure how to report a bug about an application that crashes.
[14:38] <MagicFab> Using ubuntu-bug I get the apport dialog right away... I want to open the app and only get apport when it crashes.
[14:38] <MagicFab> Currently it crashes silently.
[14:38] <MagicFab> What should I do ?
[14:39] <MagicFab> The app is pencil, crashes when using export > Flash / SWF
[14:40] <seb128> MagicFab: enable apport?
[14:41] <persia> MagicFab, Is apport enabled?  Check https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/EnableProposed
[14:41] <MagicFab> Hmm normally it's enabled on this system - duh! let me check.
[14:42] <persia> (didn't enabling apport used to be done in /etc/default/apport or something?  Might it be worth documenting the old way for people doing -proposed testing on dapper or hardy?)
[14:42] <neoXsys> Again, Ubuntu 9.04, Volume Applet -> Open Volume Control -> Recording, Recording Buttons always remains "FALSE", doesn't owner the users's choice.
[14:42] <neoXsys> Is that know bug?
[14:42] <persia> MagicFab, apport also has a preference to disable reports for a certain app&version, in case you've already reported the bug  I'm not sure where that's stored, but there would have been a checkbox.
[14:43] <neoXsys> Even code says the same :(  Please look http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/193231/
[14:43] <persia> neoXsys, You'd probably want to search LP to determine if it's a known bug: there's a large enough number that only a subset is usually known to the people in the channel at any given time.
[14:44] <neoXsys> persia: Sure, That i will do, I just want to take chance because seb128 is here :)
[14:44] <MagicFab> ok, so I am not crazy, I just hadn't enabled it in this system - tx. !!
[14:46] <MagicFab> I guess I'll wait.. "Could not upload report data to crash database: <urlopen error timed out>"
[14:48] <seb128> neoXsys: I think that's a duplicate yes
[14:48] <seb128> we have a zillion of bugs about that interface and recording and nobody looking at those anyway
[14:48] <seb128> so no real need to bother open this one on launchpad
[14:49] <neoXsys> seb128: Thanks. Now let me search one and try to fix one :)
[15:02] <bddebian> Boo
[15:36] <neoXsys> seb128: This is the bug i am talking about https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-media/+bug/299642
[15:36] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 299642 in gnome-media "Microphone Capture ALWAYS muted" [Low,Confirmed]
[15:36] <neoXsys> seb128: Which is already filed in Upstream http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=578174
[15:36] <ubot4> Gnome bug 578174 in gst-mixer "gnome-volume-control mutes my audio" [Minor,New]
[15:37] <seb128> ok
[15:37] <neoXsys> neoXsys: Can we attach the Upstream to LP Bug?
[15:37] <BUGabundo> seb128: hi. quick question if you can
[15:38] <seb128> BUGabundo: hi, sure
[15:38] <BUGabundo> seb128: what is the current karmic packages for bluetooth?
[15:38] <neoXsys> seb128: Can we attach Upstream bug to LP bug?
[15:38] <BUGabundo> I seem to have too many of them seb128
[15:38] <seb128> neoXsys: yes, click on the text under the table to say it also concern and upstream project and copy the url
[15:38] <seb128> BUGabundo: I've no clue about bluetooth but the goal is to move to gnome-bluetooth
[15:38] <neoXsys> seb128: Thanks :)
[15:38] <seb128> not sure if they are there yet though
[15:39] <BUGabundo> yeah I noticed so in the blueprint seb128
[15:39] <BUGabundo> but since I have both gnome, bluez, and bluetooth stack
[15:39] <BUGabundo> I get a messy system
[15:41] <neoXsys> seb128: But, can i use the "Also affects project" link?
[15:41] <seb128> neoXsys: right
[16:26] <bdmurray> leoquant: you should be able to renew your own membership in the desktop bugs team
[16:32] <bdmurray> pedro_: I don't think bug 363500 should be fix released for jaunty do you?
[16:32] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 363500 in update-manager "update-manager jaunty partial upgrade exits silently" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/363500
[16:32] <bdmurray> pedro_: whoops, my bad
[16:33] <pedro_> bdmurray: np
[16:34] <bdmurray> Shouldn't it be Fix Released for karmic though?
[16:37] <pedro_> does that version contains the build depends on the nvidia-common?
[16:37]  * pedro_ looking 
[16:37] <persia> I think it ought be fix released in jaunty: as it was claimed to be fied in 0.111.8, and jaunty-updates has 0.111.9
[16:38] <bdmurray> right, so the jaunty task looks good, I'm curious about the karmic one
[16:40] <bdmurray> I think it can be Fix Released...
[16:40] <pedro_> bdmurray: well the build depend (on nvidia-common) is also on the  the karmic package, so yeap
[16:40] <pedro_> fix released for me as well
[16:41] <bdmurray> cool
[16:41] <persia> Sufficiently versioned build-depend?
[16:41] <bdmurray> seb128: Could you please remove me as an admin of the desktop bugs team?
[16:43] <seb128> bdmurray: changed
[16:44] <bdmurray> thanks
[16:54] <bdmurray> asac: is the intrepid n-m task for bug 327053 fixed?
[16:54] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 327053 in network-manager "Intrepid -> Jaunty upgrade kills NetworkManager" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/327053
[17:08] <dupondje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/aiccu/+bug/104590 <- its fixed but not yet in repo's ?
[17:08] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 104590 in aiccu "AICCU halts during post-installation" [Medium,Fix committed]
[17:30] <leoquant> bdmurray thx, but i'am not able to renew it, i have got no email.
[17:32]  * leoquant takes a look at the launchpad page
[17:52] <fccf> Greetings bug-team --- strange sitiuation ... running hardy ... trying to install build-essential and it keeps saying that there are missing dependincies... I have a Ubuntu 8.04 server install and it is saying that the necessary version isn't available for g++ --- see this http://paste.ubuntu.com/193576/   -- been using ubuntu for 4 years and I know I have a very regular install - and regular package list ... what's broken --- I'd co
[17:52] <BUGabundo> fccf: that's more appropriated for #ubuntu
[17:52] <BUGabundo> #ubuntu-bugs is for triage
[17:53] <BUGabundo> never the less I'll try to help
[17:53] <persia> Hrm?  No, that's a bug.
[17:53] <BUGabundo> I think you are using the CD as the main reop
[17:53] <BUGabundo> *repo
[17:53] <BUGabundo> check your Software Sources and remove it
[17:53] <fccf> no I have removed the CD line .... Does it need to be there?
[17:53] <BUGabundo> then you should be able to update and install
[17:53] <BUGabundo> no need!
[17:53] <BUGabundo> only if you do not have net
[17:53] <persia> BUGabundo, But the CD should be self-contained: if build-essential is there, then all the dependencies ought be there (otherwise it's a bug)
[17:53] <BUGabundo> bbl ! lunch
[17:54] <BUGabundo> persia: there was a bug, that the package on the CD as not enough
[17:54] <persia> Anyone else have a hardy system available?
[17:54] <BUGabundo> but it was on pre-jaunty
[17:54] <persia> BUGabundo, Ah.  Annoying.
[17:54] <BUGabundo> it happened to me a few times
[17:54] <fccf> already ran update - and I do have net and have checked everything I know
[17:54] <BUGabundo> have to go. food awaits
[17:54] <fccf> eat up BUGabundo
[17:59] <fccf> persia: I have run apt-get update & apt-get upgrade ... at latest versions of everything hardy ... I actually think this is a bug based on 4 years as an ubuntu user ... I welcome any input
[18:00] <persia> fccf, I think you're right it's a bug.  I don't have a hardy system handy to verify (although I might in a couple hours).
[18:01] <persia> Basically, the trick is determining what changed that broke it, and fixing it.
[18:02] <fccf> I will track down as much as I can in the next hour or so ... I will have some pastebins for the channel
[18:08] <fccf> start with these http://paste.ubuntu.com/193603/   http://paste.ubuntu.com/193607/
[18:10] <persia> fccf, Keep going down the stack until you find something that explains itself with more than "is not going to be installed"
[18:11] <fccf> I think I found it ... hold on
[18:11] <fccf> Couldn't find package g++-4.2-base
[18:12] <persia> Aha!
[18:12] <persia> Next, do an apt-cache search g++, and see what exists with -base.
[18:14] <fccf> i did apt-cache search g++ |grep base --- is that right? still a very long list
[18:15] <fccf> based base database ...
[18:15] <fccf> it is there gcc-4.2-base - The GNU Compiler Collection (base package)
[18:16] <persia> Odd, I wouldn't have expected a gcc-4.2-base without a g++-4.2-base.
[18:17] <fccf> so it is named wrong in packages.gz?
[18:17] <persia> No, more likely something else is wrong.
[18:17] <fccf> I'll keep digging
[18:17] <persia> apt-cache rdepends  g++-4.2-base may help
[18:18] <persia> But I'm going to stop helping you with this now, in hopes that I can get to a hardy environment sooner, and help you more then :)
[18:18] <asac> bdmurray: the upgrade issues are resolved without touching intrepid iirc
[18:18] <fccf> ok see you in a bit
[18:20] <fccf> lee@fccf-stream:~$ apt-cache rdepends g++-4.2-base /newline/ W: Unable to locate package g++-4.2-base
[18:31] <persia> fccf, I got a hardy system up, although it turns out build-essential was already installed.  Which package were you trying to install that pointed at g++-4.2-base ?
[18:34] <fccf> g++-4.2
[18:34] <fccf> look at second paste
[18:34] <fccf> 193607\
[18:38] <persia> fccf, Which architecture are you using?
[18:38] <fccf> see also http://paste.ubuntu.com/193627/
[18:39] <fccf> from uname -a Linux fccf-stream 2.6.24-24-server #1 SMP Wed Apr 15 16:36:01 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux
[18:39] <BUGabundo> .24?
[18:39] <BUGabundo> that's not jaunty is it ?
[18:40] <fccf> no this system is hardy
[18:40] <charlie-tca> should be hardy
[18:40] <BUGabundo> yeah
[18:41] <BUGabundo> using cutting edge makes me loose track of older versions
[18:41] <persia> fccf, Hrm.  Try a dist-upgrade.  I think you got caught by the 4.2.3 -> 4.2.4 change.
[18:41] <persia> (which is a known and partially solved, bug).
[18:41] <fccf> does dist-upgrade take me to intrepid?
[18:42] <persia> Not unless you change your sources.list.  It just tries to upgrade harder.
[18:42] <BUGabundo> fccf: no
[18:42] <persia> You have -updates and -security enabled, right?
[18:43] <BUGabundo> fccf: update-manager -c or -d does upgrade you
[18:43] <fccf> yes - lemme make make sure
[18:43] <BUGabundo> IF, big IF, you have set it to Normal distro release and not LTS
[18:44] <fccf> whoops security and updates were not checked ... reloading now
[18:44] <fccf> I'm an Idoit .... thank you for your wasted time bug-team
[18:44] <persia> fccf, What was the issue?
[18:45] <fccf> i didn't have security or updates enabled
[18:45] <fccf> that resolved everything
[18:45] <persia> You still shouldn't have gotten into that situation, but it appears it was the known issue with the 4.2.3 -> 4.2.4 mess, or at least that there's nothing else to fix.  Thanks for confirming.
[18:46] <fccf> build-essental is now installed --- now to compile
[18:47] <fccf> again thanks guys
[18:54] <BUGabundo> can some take a quick look at https://launchpad.net/bugs/386033 ?
[18:54] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 386033 in macchanger "after install macchanger -> erro : subprocess post-install script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,New]
[18:57] <charlie-tca> neat bug
[18:57] <charlie-tca> the install failed, so the removal fails too
[18:58] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: actually I think install worked
[18:58] <BUGabundo> let me ask
[18:59] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: user reports he can run it!
[19:00] <charlie-tca> that's good! but this is install failing, isn't it? subprocess post-install script returned error exit status 1
[19:01] <charlie-tca> Something failed to complete
[19:02] <persia> That's often a failure-to-configure, rather than a failure-to-install.
[19:02] <BUGabundo> well he installed, used it
[19:02] <charlie-tca> have him attach the log from /var/log/dpkg.log
[19:02] <BUGabundo> when he tried to remove it, it failed
[19:02] <charlie-tca> Since apport did not attach any
[19:02] <charlie-tca> That might show what failed better
[19:02] <BUGabundo> http://pastebin.com/m3d374ec3
[19:04] <charlie-tca> looks to me like it says it can't find it to remove it entirely.
[19:04] <charlie-tca> Will synaptic package manager remove it?
[19:05] <BUGabundo> I've asked the user to come here
[19:05] <BUGabundo> hi alfatec
[19:05] <alfatec> hi
[19:05] <BUGabundo> alfatec: Will synaptic package manager remove it?
[19:05] <alfatec> no
[19:05] <alfatec> give the same error
[19:06] <charlie-tca> uh-oh
[19:07] <BUGabundo> alfatec: still have the apt-cache policy link around ?
[19:07] <BUGabundo> alfatec: $ apt-cache policy macchanger
[19:07] <charlie-tca> I can try to confirm it after I get this install done I'm running
[19:07]  * BUGabundo still feels pastebinit should come on default install
[19:08] <alfatec> http://paste.ubuntu.com/193643/
[20:19] <pedro_> hey micahg1, great work on the hug day ;-)
[22:16] <bcurtiswx-mini> anyone here heard of the "hundredpapercuts" project??
[22:16] <persia> bcurtiswx-mini, minimally.  All the bugs I've seen so far seemed to be asking for comment.
[22:18] <BUGabundo> no idea what that is
[22:18] <bcurtiswx-mini> persia, i have a bug that was randomly assigned to the one hunder paper cuts project and the launchpad page is very uninformational
[22:18] <bcurtiswx-mini> anything against me removing that and asking what and why (since the changer didn't comment on the change?)
[22:19] <persia> bcurtiswx-mini, I'd leave that to the hundredpapercuts folk.  I believe they are encouraging people to add papercuts tasks to bugs.
[22:19] <bcurtiswx-mini> what is a "papercut" ?
[22:21] <charlie-tca> It's the one hundred easy fix bugs to be done by release of karmic
[22:22] <bdmurray> there was something about it on planet recently
[22:22] <calc> bcurtiswx-mini: if you remove it may not get fixed for karmic, marking it means it will likely be fixed
[22:23] <calc> at least aiui
[22:23] <bcurtiswx-mini> hmm, ok.. just had red flag going up in my mind, because the person who assigned this bug to the paper cut project has almost no affiliations and i didn't know what papercutproject was
[22:23] <bcurtiswx-mini> no big deal apparently :) thx
[22:24] <bdmurray> I don't understand why they created a project though
[22:24]  * calc has no idea how its implemented
[22:24] <calc> bdmurray: isn't it being run by ivanca/
[22:24] <calc> er ?
[22:24] <bcurtiswx-mini> bug #359740 is the bug im talking about
[22:24] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 359740 in gstreamer0.10 "Volume control should change slower when loud and faster when silent " [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/359740
[22:25] <calc> hmm i though the papercuts was supposed to just be a tag, but i haven't been following it closely
[22:26] <persia> I'm not sure all the papercuts will get "fixed", but I presume they'll all at least get more attention than they would otherwise.
[22:26] <calc> but there are 80 open bugs with that task so i guess it is the way they are doing it
[22:27]  * persia is reminded of the phrase "death by a thousand cuts"
[22:27] <BUGabundo> persia: :))
[23:04] <hggdh> bdmurray, ping -- please see http://paste.ubuntu.com/193807/, this is how it is getting to be
[23:04] <bdmurray> hggdh: outstanding!
[23:05] <hggdh> still some cleanup to do, turned out to be more weird than I expected...
[23:07] <micahg> does LP edge allow more than one file uploaded at a time?
[23:08] <bdmurray> not edge or production
[23:08] <micahg> so I guess I have to attach them 1 at a time
[23:09] <bdmurray> unless apport-collect gets what you want
[23:09] <micahg> nope, it's pngs
[23:10] <BUGabundo> micahg: used to do
[23:10] <BUGabundo> but theirs is /was a bug
[23:11] <micahg> BUGabundo: can you confirm 386132?
[23:11] <micahg> oops
[23:11] <micahg> bug 386132
[23:11] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 386132 in firefox-3.5 "Firefox 3.5 renders certain pngs with wrong colors" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/386132
[23:12] <BUGabundo> LOLOL
[23:12] <BUGabundo> its BLUE
[23:13] <micahg> try it in FF 3.0
[23:13] <BUGabundo> testing
[23:14] <BUGabundo> works
[23:14] <micahg> :)
[23:15] <BUGabundo> micahg: confirmed
[23:16] <BUGabundo> let me test opera and chormium
[23:16] <micahg> BUGabundo: can you confirm in LP?
[23:16] <micahg> it's my bug :)
[23:16] <BUGabundo> grr
[23:16] <BUGabundo> doesn't show the full page on chromium
[23:16] <BUGabundo> OLOLOL
[23:17] <BUGabundo> humm red is redish on chromium
[23:18] <BUGabundo> micahg: humm
[23:18] <BUGabundo> wait soemthig wrong here
[23:18] <BUGabundo> you mean just the PNG or the full palet?
[23:18] <BUGabundo> cause the pngs alone show OK
[23:18] <micahg> png
[23:18] <micahg> where?
[23:19] <BUGabundo> well amrlima just said he fixed that same bug
[23:19] <BUGabundo> but he lost link
[23:19] <BUGabundo> asked him to come here
[23:19] <BUGabundo> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/27796267/square_glass_green.png
[23:19] <BUGabundo> this is GREEN
[23:20] <BUGabundo> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/27796158/ff3.5Display.png
[23:20] <BUGabundo> this is blue
[23:21] <BUGabundo> so micahg I can't be sure I can confirm the bug
[23:21] <micahg> BUGabundo: why not?
[23:21] <micahg> it shows green for you in FF3.6?
[23:21] <BUGabundo> I'm confused
[23:21] <BUGabundo> yes
[23:21] <BUGabundo> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/27796267/square_glass_green.png
[23:21] <BUGabundo> does
[23:21] <BUGabundo> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/27796158/ff3.5Display.png
[23:21] <BUGabundo> doesn't!
[23:22] <amrlima> BUGabundo: micahg if you change in about:config just change gfx.color_management_mode from 2 to 0
[23:22] <micahg> BUGabundo: the second one was a png I took of the display
[23:22] <micahg> it shouldn't change
[23:22] <amrlima> i think png's get back to normal
[23:22] <BUGabundo> the 3.5 is BLUE
[23:22] <BUGabundo> the green png is a scale of green
[23:23] <micahg> amrlima: do I have to restart FF?
[23:23] <BUGabundo> nope
[23:23] <BUGabundo> about:config is usually real time
[23:23] <amrlima> can't remember
[23:23] <micahg> didn't work in 3.5, let me try 3.6
[23:24] <amrlima> micahg: try to restart
[23:24] <micahg> ok
[23:24] <BUGabundo> let me test 3.5
[23:25] <micahg> works :)
[23:25] <amrlima> great :)
[23:25] <micahg> so now what?
[23:25] <micahg> Isn't it still a bug?
[23:25] <micahg> what does that setting do?
[23:26] <micahg> is it ati driver only?
[23:26] <BUGabundo> looks the same to me on 3.5
[23:26] <BUGabundo> nvidia here
[23:26] <micahg> same with what BUGabundo
[23:26] <micahg> BUGabundo: did you make the setting change?
[23:26] <micahg> or by default was it ok?
[23:27] <amrlima> I have ati
[23:27] <BUGabundo> I did not change my about:config
[23:27] <micahg> ok
[23:27] <amrlima> I had the bug only with this pc
[23:27] <micahg> amrlima: is that the only {PC with ati?
[23:27] <amrlima> yes , the other is nvidia
[23:28] <micahg> amrlima: gfx color managerment is disabled in ff3.0
[23:28] <BUGabundo> UnreportableReason: This is not a genuine Ubuntu package
[23:28] <BUGabundo> LOVE this ^^^^^
[23:29] <micahg> It's not, it's from the dailies :)
[23:30] <BUGabundo> why can I see the attachements without login !?!?!
[23:30] <amrlima> BUGabundo: it's always been like that i think..
[23:33] <BUGabundo> never noticed
[23:33] <BUGabundo> I'm always logdin
[23:48] <micahg> BUGabundo: it's already upstream
[23:48] <micahg> mozilla bug 490537
[23:48] <ubot4> Mozilla bug 490537 in GFX: Color Management "Colors in some PNG images are severely wrong" [Major,Unconfirmed] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=490537
[23:49] <micahg> hggdh: can I mark my own bug triaged without confirmation if I found it upstream?
[23:50] <bdmurray> Yes, that's reasonable.
[23:50] <hggdh> yes
[23:50] <micahg> ok, also would you classify a color rendering issue as medium in firefox or high?
[23:51] <hggdh> does it block the user from seeing the frames?
[23:51] <micahg> https://bug490537.bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=374939
[23:52] <micahg> for me it was just a color change
[23:52] <micahg> but was counterintuitive in my web app
[23:52] <hggdh> ugh!
[23:52] <hggdh> real bad... I would go with high...
[23:53] <BUGabundo> hggdh: no
[23:53] <hggdh> no?
[23:53] <BUGabundo> doesn't affect defaut browser
[23:53] <micahg> what?
[23:53] <micahg> it sure does in ff3.5
[23:53] <BUGabundo> karmic still has 3.0 as default
[23:53] <BUGabundo> I think
[23:53] <hggdh> what BUGabundo means is ff3.5 is not the default appl
[23:53] <BUGabundo> should change to 3.5 once final hit
[23:54] <micahg> yes, but importance is per app
[23:54] <BUGabundo> hggdh: yep
[23:54] <micahg> ah
[23:54] <BUGabundo> isn't it per audience?
[23:54] <hggdh> still, it is worth it -- 3.5 is the replacement-to-be
[23:54] <BUGabundo> yeah
[23:54] <BUGabundo> medium ?
[23:54] <micahg> Has a severe impact on a small portion of Ubuntu users (estimated)
[23:54] <micahg> ?
[23:55] <hggdh> will have a severe impact later on... OTOH, this will be fixed upstream, so we can go with medium
[23:55] <micahg> ok
[23:55] <hggdh> oy vey
[23:55] <micahg> I was thinking medium to begin with
[23:55] <BUGabundo> only on ATI !?
[23:55] <micahg> yeah, so
[23:55] <BUGabundo> so not that big audience
[23:55] <BUGabundo> I guess... then again if I was affected... it would be bad
[23:55] <micahg> ??
[23:56] <micahg> they are a major vendor
[23:56] <hggdh> python regular expressions are... weird...
[23:56] <micahg> It's at medium
[23:56] <micahg> if FF3.5 becomes default and it's not fixed, I'll move to high
[23:56] <BUGabundo> micahg: s/if/when/
[23:57] <micahg> BUGabundo: assuming it gets released before October :)
[23:58] <BUGabundo> ahhaha