[12:37] <evand> superm1: doubt you're awake yet, but regarding https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/Specs/KarmicOEMConfigImprovements - were you the one who said "make it more clear that the timezone map can be clicked on by timezone"?  If so, can you elaborate on the problem?
[12:38] <evand> Currently, when you mouse over the map the cursor changes to a selection finger (HAND2)
[14:28] <superm1> evand, no that wasn't me
[14:29] <evand> hrm, I'll have to wait for the audio for that one then
[14:31] <superm1> oh well i think there was related points i might have raised
[14:31] <superm1> i just looked over the notes and remember talking through that part
[14:32] <superm1> since it wasn't clear that if you are trying to pick a city really far away from the city normally picked for the timezone it jumped out of the country
[14:32] <superm1> like choosing where Austin is spits you into mexico even though you should really be in chicago
[15:02] <evand> indeed, I've captured that
[15:04] <superm1> oh yeah, i just read above on the page sorry :)
[15:04] <evand> no worries
[15:06] <bimbominkia> qualcuno mi può aiutare in un'installazione da rete?
[15:08] <cjwatson> bimbominkia: I'm sorry, I don't speak Italian and I'm not sure if any of the other regulars here do either
[15:09] <bimbominkia> oh i didn't know people were speaking english here
[15:09] <cjwatson> most Ubuntu channels other than the per-language ones are English by preference, yes
[15:10] <bimbominkia> can somebody help me to install ubuntu on a laptop with a broken dvd reader wich doesn't support usb boot?
[15:10] <cjwatson> can it netboot?
[15:10] <bimbominkia> i'm trying to, but i have problems
[15:11] <bimbominkia> yes, it can netboot
[15:12] <cjwatson> booting the installer from the hard disk is problematic for various reasons, but one other thing you could do is put the kernel and initrd on the hard disk, then instruct a boot loader to boot from that and use a USB stick for everything else
[15:12] <cjwatson> if it can netboot, though, that will probably be easier (if slower)
[15:13] <cjwatson> https://help.ubuntu.com/9.04/installation-guide/i386/ chapters 4 and 5 in particular
[15:13] <bimbominkia> thanks
[15:17] <bimbominkia> @cjwatson in all guides i read, also the one in italian i read before i'm told "you will almost certainly need to change the domain-name options" but i don't know what tpo change them with
[15:18] <cjwatson> bimbominkia: err, what domain-name options? I don't recognise that advice
[15:21] <bimbominkia> here, in the paragraph where they tell how to set up a dhcp server https://help.ubuntu.com/9.04/installation-guide/i386/install-tftp.html
[15:26] <cjwatson> bimbominkia: oh, right, just make it match your local network. If you don't have a private domain name for your local network then you can probably just leave domain-name blank
[15:26] <cjwatson> as in, 'option domain-name "";'
[15:27] <cjwatson> if you don't even have local DNS then you can probably use IP addresses where it asks for hostnames
[15:28] <bimbominkia> sorry, i was talking to my brother.
[15:28] <bimbominkia> i don't have a local network
[15:29] <bimbominkia> i connected my pc with the one where i want to install ubuntu with an ethernet cable
[15:30] <cjwatson> ok, then each one will have an IP address
[15:30] <cjwatson> that's a local network, it's just a very small one :-)
[15:30] <bimbominkia> do i have to decide for a name?
[15:31] <cjwatson> but if you don't already have a local network, there are quite a few pieces involved in netbooting - quite a few servers to set up
[15:31] <cjwatson> you will need to have competent local support if you don't know how to do it yourself (IRC will be very time-consuming)
[15:33] <bimbominkia> ok, i'll ask in my university department. thank you.
[15:52] <icarus901> what differentiates a "normal" kernel from one used for the pxe/netboot installer? compiled to look for the initrd as root?
[15:54] <komputes> cjwatson: up and ready
[15:55] <komputes> cjwatson: seems to work fine now, not able to reproduce
[16:05] <cjwatson> icarus901: nothing, the kernel is bit-for-bit identical
[16:05] <cjwatson> komputes: curious :)
[16:06] <komputes> cjwatson: quite
[16:06] <komputes> cjwatson: and it's the same image
[16:15]  * cjwatson waves hands and mutters something about cosmic rays
[16:16] <cjwatson> if you do manage to reproduce it again, if possible, I'd appreciate it if you could leave it in the failing state until I have a chance to look at it
[16:21] <komputes> cjwatson: oh, it didn't completely install, I have something interesting for you
[16:22] <komputes> cjwatson: The 'grub-pc' package failed to install into /target/. Without the GRUB bootloader, the installed system will not boot
[16:23] <cjwatson> komputes: that should be fixed with the absolute most recent images - was this a slightly old one (day or two ago)?
[16:23] <komputes> cjwatson: yup, will update and test again then
[16:24] <cjwatson> komputes: if this is definitely the most recent available image, then I'd like to see the installer syslog
[16:24] <komputes> cjwatson: no it's a day old
[16:24] <cjwatson> (/var/log/syslog during installation, /var/log/installer/syslog after reboot; this is the Swiss Army Knife of helping us debug things)
[16:24] <cjwatson> ok
[16:25] <icarus901> cjwatson, thanks. looks like i was barking up the wrong tree anyway, seems i mangled my initrd upon reconstruction
[16:25] <cjwatson> easy to do ...
[16:26] <icarus901> indeed, though it generally helps if i do things at a reasonable hour rather than 4am. that spells doom even on a good day
[17:05] <charlie-tca> Grub failed to install - Xubuntu Desktop cd dated 20090611
[17:05] <charlie-tca> Is there a bug to attach the report to?
[17:13] <charlie-tca> Appears to be trying to install grub to the floppy drive
[17:25] <cjwatson> charlie-tca: new bug please (I haven't checked whether there's an existing one but in general please just file new bugs)
[17:25] <charlie-tca> Will do.
[17:32] <charlie-tca> filed bug 385995
[17:38] <cjwatson> charlie-tca: I think the fd0 stuff is actually unrelated
[17:39] <charlie-tca> Good to hear. did I get all the information for you?
[17:39] <cjwatson> yep
[17:39] <cjwatson> this only happens if (a) you ask to use a GRUB password (which GRUB 2 doesn't support yet anyway) or (b) other operating systems are installed
[17:40] <charlie-tca> Did not ask for a password, and told it use the entire drive
[17:40] <charlie-tca> Maybe I got something on the 2nd hard drive, though
[17:41] <cjwatson> the problem is that our code to show the menu by default and raise the timeout hasn't been adapted to GRUB 2 yet. (Actually GRUB 2 does that by default so we probably need to do the inverse.)
[17:43] <charlie-tca> Okay. Thanks for looking at it
[18:12] <davmor2> cjwatson, evand: Can we have the password text on oem updated to read the same as in ubiqiuty?
[20:56] <cjwatson> davmor2: I didn't know it was different - which string exactly?
[21:08] <CIA-9> usb-creator: rgreening * r115 usb-creator/usbcreator/kde_frontend.py:
[21:08] <CIA-9> usb-creator: QString, dbus.String and str conversion between FE and BE breaks things. Ensure all UDI's are
[21:08] <CIA-9> usb-creator: represented as str (lowest common denominator).
[21:08] <CIA-9> usb-creator: Auto-select (set) currentItem to first in list if none selected
[21:08] <CIA-9> usb-creator: Comment out some broken stuff in method progress (gettext on desc var causes crash)
[21:08] <CIA-9> usb-creator: dest_selection_changed seems incomplete/broken in gtk_frontend.py. comment out the brokeness
[21:08] <CIA-9> usb-creator: gobject.timeout_add causes KCrash unless commented out... not sure why yet.
[21:09] <xivulon> davmor2 hi!
[21:10] <davmor2> cjwatson: it's the one that tells you the recommended length for the password
[21:10] <davmor2> xivulon: hi sorry about this all hell is breaking lose
[21:10] <xivulon> hope all is well
[21:10] <xivulon> have been trying to cross you for a while
[21:11] <xivulon> to come across you I mean
[21:11] <xivulon> have been qui
[21:11] <davmor2> I was on holiday straight after uds and got back to news of a funeral and a bunch of other stuff
[21:12] <xivulon> te busy myself
[21:12] <cjwatson> davmor2: oh, right, I see it now. Will do
[21:12] <davmor2> cjwatson: nice one :)
[21:12] <cjwatson> (grr @ glade file not being updated in step with templates
[21:12] <cjwatson> )
[21:12] <xivulon> really sorry about that
[21:12] <cjwatson> but tomorrow ...
[21:12] <davmor2> hell yes
[21:13] <davmor2> xivulon: since then I've been trying to desperately play catch up find work and test :)
[21:14] <xivulon> just let me know when it's convenient for you, no rush
[21:15] <davmor2> probably tomorrow will be fine I need to reinstall the xp fat32 anyway :)
[21:19] <xivulon> I will be away till sunday
[21:20] <davmor2> give me a ping when your back then and I'll set it up for then
[21:23] <xivulon> sure
[22:50] <davmor2> cjwatson: you about still?