[12:35] <ghostlines> hi all
[12:35] <persia> hey ghostlines
[12:35] <ghostlines> woops wrong place
[12:35] <ghostlines> wanted to ask some java programming questions
[12:36] <persia> Yeah, that's ##java
[12:36] <ghostlines> and I got to be identified to join ##java, bummer
[12:39] <persia> That's easy.  Just /query nickserv identify ${some password}
[12:39] <persia> remember your password for later, and you can always be "ghostlines"
[12:41] <ttx> For those interested, I'll be giving a packaging training session about Java libraries in 20 minutes on #ubuntu-classroom
[12:42] <ghostlines> persia, thanks
[14:00] <darkwise> hi ttx, I have a question to begin java-packaging : can I begin with debian doc ?  ubuntu has it's own one ?
[14:00] <ttx> darkwise: Debian doc is good.
[14:01] <darkwise> ok, thanks
[14:01] <ttx> The only thing we enforce is the use of default-java virtuals
[14:01] <ttx> build-depends: default-jdk
[14:01] <ttx> Depends: default-jre-headless | java2-runtime-headless
[14:02] <ttx> rather than naming a specific jvm
[14:02] <ttx> last time I lokked it was missing from the Debian java policy docs.
[14:03] <persia> It's missing on purpose.  default-* in Debian isn't always safe for all packages.
[14:03] <persia> Something about the migration to openjdk still being underway.
[14:03] <persia> (err, all packages/all architectures).
[14:03] <ttx> persia: they still have default-java pointing to GCJ, but that shouldn't prevent them from using it
[14:04] <ttx> as long as we use default-jdk when it works both with GCJ and Openjdk :)
[14:05] <darkwise> nice, I think I'm in the correct channel :D
[14:05] <darkwise> thanks persia ttx
[14:05] <darkwise> do you suggest an easy exemple (package) to begin with ?
[14:05] <ttx> I have a few in store... let me see
[14:06] <persia> ttx, The problem is that some stuff doesn't work with gcj.
[14:06] <ttx> persia: yep.
[14:06] <persia> But for use, default-* should always work.  I don't know the status of the ia64 port, but the rest ought be fairly clean.
[14:06] <persia> s/use/us/
[14:07] <darkwise> persia, end even it's work, I think it's not with the same performance
[14:08] <persia> darkwise, You'd have to benchmark.  For some workloads, for some architectures, JIT is faster, and for other workloads on other architectures precompiled is faster.
[14:08] <ttx> darkwise: I still have to review a list that I'm interested to see in Ubuntu
[14:08] <ttx> darkwise: Backport Util Concurrent 3.1, Axiom 1.2.8 ...
[14:08] <ttx> I just have to make sure they are as easy as I think they are.
[14:09] <darkwise> ok, thanks, I'll try
[15:02] <ttx> persia: meeting ?
[15:03] <persia> Is there?  I thought I was still failing to announce a meeting.  I'm happy to have one if you like.
[15:03] <ttx> persia: I don't have anything specific
[15:04] <persia> Then perhaps nobody will show up :)
[15:04] <persia> Ah, too late.
[15:04] <ttx> ah :)
[15:05]  * darkwise follow the meeting :)
[15:10] <drubin> ttx: Thanks for the informative talk
[15:10] <ttx> drubin: you're welcome