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| ara | good morning! | 07:09 |
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| persia | Has anyone else looked at the Ubuntu Studio alpha 2 builds? I can't seem to get the -rt kernel to boot post-install. | 07:55 |
| ara | persia: I haven't try | 08:03 |
| ara | tried, even | 08:03 |
| persia | ara, No worries. I'll bug the team. Might be that the images fail. | 08:03 |
| ara | jcollado, eeejay: people are already talking about mago in the list ;-) | 14:00 |
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| persia | So, I'm trying to test something in a schroot. I've used schroot -p to get access to my environment (so X works, etc.). Unfortunately, /dev doesn't contain the device I seek. Does anyone happen to have a strategy to work around this? | 15:41 |
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| sbeattie | persia: did you come up with a solution? I've not used schroot, but I've bind-mounted /dev successfully into other chroots before to solve that problem. | 16:52 |
| persia | sbeattie, I ended up finding a way to do my test without direct device access. I'll give bind-mounting a shot, although I worry about permissions (I tend to use schroot to run things I don't trust on my local system :) ) | 16:55 |
| sbeattie | you could bind mount just the specific device you need access to, rather than all of /dev | 16:57 |
| persia | Really? How does one do that? | 16:57 |
| stgraber | just like you would for a directory | 16:59 |
| sbeattie | yep; e.g. mount -o bind /dev/sdb1 /tmp/sdb1 (where you've touched /tmp/sdb1 to make it exist first) | 17:00 |
| persia | Oh, nifty. I'll definitely try that next time I launch, as it's minimally invasive. | 17:02 |
| henter | 06270627hii | 17:33 |
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| slangasek | we could use some help testing kubuntu ISOs for alpha2, currently there are 0 test results reported in for any of the ISOs | 17:48 |
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| * fader does some kubuntu alternate amd64 testing | 19:17 | |
| eeejay | hey cr3 | 19:17 |
| cr3 | eeejay: yo homie | 19:18 |
| eeejay | cr3, it's looking good | 19:18 |
| eeejay | cr3, now i am at the stage where i am dealing with the test results | 19:19 |
| eeejay | cr3, is the launchpad_report xml format what we use? | 19:19 |
| cr3 | eeejay: excellent, but are you still firing report-result in your MagoCommand? | 19:19 |
| eeejay | cr3, no, and that is another buggie | 19:20 |
| cr3 | eeejay: ideally, you shouldn't be concerned with the resulting report and you should only have to fire a report-result event | 19:20 |
| eeejay | cr3, the whole "questions" concept is very manual testing | 19:20 |
| cr3 | I'm not sure I understand | 19:20 |
| eeejay | cr3, right now i added a "prompt" option to the plugin's options | 19:21 |
| eeejay | cr3, when it is false, the tests are added as shell plugin tests | 19:21 |
| cr3 | eeejay: can you push your latest code so that I can have a look at that? | 19:21 |
| eeejay | cr3, when true: "manual" | 19:21 |
| eeejay | cr3, it is pushed | 19:21 |
| cr3 | eeejay: interesting... | 19:22 |
| eeejay | cr3, how bad is it? | 19:22 |
| eeejay | cr3, with prompt being true or false, I want the test results to have the same fields, namely: | 19:23 |
| cr3 | eeejay: it's good, I really like how you can set the plugin on the fly like that :) | 19:23 |
| eeejay | 1. pass/fail/skip 2. duration 3. message | 19:24 |
| cr3 | eeejay: hm, that's reasonable but I wanted to get someone else's point of view regarding #3 | 19:24 |
| cr3 | fader: yo, got a minute? | 19:24 |
| fader | cr3: For you I've got three! | 19:25 |
| eeejay | cr3, the whole "comment" field is arbitrary for these kinds of tests. it is a nice addition, but that is not where the data should be attached | 19:25 |
| cr3 | eeejay: by the way, correct me if I'm wrong but it doesn't seem like you need the mago_prompt plugin anymore, right? | 19:25 |
| eeejay | cr3, correct | 19:25 |
| eeejay | cr3, it is staying around - just in case :) | 19:25 |
| cr3 | eeejay: so where should the data be attached then? | 19:25 |
| cr3 | fader: so, in checkbox, when a manual test has a corresponding script which can be run from the "Test" button, would it be reasonable for the output of the command to populate the comment box? | 19:26 |
| eeejay | cr3, result.data is fine, but the way it is martialled in launchpad_report doesn't seem right | 19:26 |
| fader | cr3: From a simplicity of test creation point of view, sure. From a user-experience point of view, I don't like it. :( | 19:27 |
| fader | IMO the comments box should be for the user and for the user alone. If I start seeing stuff pop up in there I'm going to get nervous and wonder if it's safe to edit. | 19:27 |
| eeejay | cr3, fader, i think we might need to introduce a new UI for this. it doesn't match the manual testing experience | 19:27 |
| fader | Plus the cases where people will want to edit or delete the info that gets populated there... it just feels unsafe :( | 19:27 |
| fader | (Sorry, eejay) | 19:28 |
| cr3 | fader: fyi, I have changed the behavior of the radio buttons to be set to pass/fail depending on the result of running the script. I thought that was reasonable though | 19:28 |
| * eeejay agrees | 19:28 | |
| fader | Yeah, I saw that discussion... that's a Good Thing. | 19:28 |
| eeejay | cr3, akshully, that might be problematic.. | 19:28 |
| fader | Nice little usability boost! | 19:28 |
| eeejay | let's say video test | 19:28 |
| eeejay | the gst script returns status 0 | 19:28 |
| charlie-tca | anyone else having issues restarting the desktop cd? | 19:29 |
| eeejay | doesn't mean the user saw the video correctly | 19:29 |
| fader | eeejay: It seems to me that as long as the user can change the value to 'fail' that's not a big deal | 19:29 |
| cr3 | eeejay: for most cases though, it seems that the behavior is at least helpful to the user, not authoritative for the user. otherwise, the test wouldn't have to be manual anyways | 19:30 |
| fader | We're saying "Checkbox thinks this thing worked correctly. Did it really?" | 19:30 |
| eeejay | fader: cr3: i would like to see an alternative show_test() method, instead of changing the behavior of this one | 19:30 |
| cr3 | eeejay: what you're asking for is a way to select the tests which the user may or may not want to run, right? | 19:30 |
| eeejay | fader: cr3: the radio button change is very subtle, not really noticeable | 19:30 |
| eeejay | cr3, yeah. but not upfront | 19:30 |
| eeejay | cr3, allow the user to watch the test | 19:31 |
| eeejay | cr3, and then populate a UI | 19:31 |
| fader | I forget.... what does the radiobutton default to now after a test? | 19:31 |
| eeejay | cr3, which could even be read-only, except for a comment field | 19:31 |
| cr3 | fader: it remains in skip state | 19:31 |
| eeejay | .. which i think is the correct behavior for manual tests | 19:31 |
| cr3 | eeejay: wait, are you saying you want the test to: 1. run automatically; 2. populate the ui; 3. ask for feedback from the user? | 19:32 |
| eeejay | cr3, 3 - give the user an _option_ for additional comments | 19:32 |
| cr3 | eeejay: as provided by the current ui, right? | 19:33 |
| eeejay | cr3, just like the current manual plugin | 19:33 |
| eeejay | cr3, could we talk on the phone? | 19:33 |
| fader | Heh | 19:33 |
| eeejay | fader: cr3: skype conference? | 19:33 |
| fader | eeejay: You don't realize that cr3 has a direct brain-link to IRC :) | 19:33 |
| cr3 | eeejay: that's what I once did but then I introduced hibernate and suspend tests, imagine the user experience then: user is running a test and then clicks the "Next" button. suddenly, his machine hibernates for no apparent reason :) | 19:33 |
| eeejay | cr3, brilliant :) | 19:34 |
| cr3 | eeejay: my motivation at the time is that I found it redundant for the user to have to click on the "Test" button, so I thought it was helpful to just run the test :) | 19:34 |
| cr3 | eeejay: ideally, I would like to solve both hibernate and mago use cases in a consistent way instead of introducing all kinds of variations | 19:35 |
| eeejay | cr3, i agree | 19:35 |
| cr3 | eeejay: even in the case of mago tests, I think the user might get surprised if applications suddenly start popping up without their prior and explicit consent or, at least, some action on their part | 19:35 |
| eeejay | cr3, the action on their part is "run test", we could make it clearer | 19:36 |
| cr3 | that being said, lets revisit the problems with the current manual user experience | 19:36 |
| eeejay | "run automated UI test" | 19:36 |
| eeejay | dunno | 19:36 |
| eeejay | cr3, the current manual experience is good, imho | 19:37 |
| eeejay | cr3, that is why i don't want to touch it, but create a new UI that matches mago tests | 19:37 |
| cr3 | eeejay: I would have the description of the test be explicit but keep a consistent "Test" button which can consistently have the same shortcut (Alt-t) | 19:37 |
| eeejay | cr3, i am just going to come up with a patch as a proof of concept | 19:38 |
| eeejay | cr3, but first i will eat a sandwich | 19:38 |
| sbeattie | iiiinteresting, ubiquity just crashed on the kubuntu live installer. | 19:39 |
| * fader wishes he could click a "give sandwich" button. | 19:39 | |
| cr3 | eeejay: I really don't see a problem with the description of the test saying something like: This will test gedit functionality. Click on the Test button to run the tests automatically. | 19:39 |
| cr3 | fader: that would have to be run by the dbus backend so that you could also run: sudo give sandwich | 19:39 |
| fader | cr3: Wow, I should have seen that coming. | 19:40 |
| cr3 | fader: that was pretty predictable indeed, I will try harder next time | 19:40 |
| fader | :) | 19:40 |
| fader | http://mirror.servut.us/kuvat/push%20button,%20receive%20bacon.jpg | 19:42 |
| cr3 | fader: the problem is that the sign is probably for a dryer in the bathroom... even I can't come up with something to do with bacon in the bathroom | 19:44 |
| * cr3 is lacking imagination :( | 19:44 | |
| fader | cr3: "He doesn't know how to use the three shells!" | 19:44 |
| cr3 | what the heck am I talking about, bacon is always good wherever you are | 19:45 |
| cr3 | fader: very good point, I spent many a sleepless nights pondering those darn three shells | 19:45 |
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| davmor2 | fader: how are you dude? | 21:20 |
| fader | davmor2: brilliant and stunningly good-looking. You? | 21:20 |
| * davmor2 picks myself up off the floor. | 21:21 | |
| davmor2 | Dude you really need to clean that mirror from time to time ;) | 21:21 |
| davmor2 | Fine thanks. Racing around like a headless chicken but other than that okay :) | 21:22 |
| fader | Heh... it keeps you busy. Off the streets and out of trouble, right? | 21:23 |
| davmor2 | fader: I know but I could do with being paid too :) | 21:26 |
| * charlie-tca thinks some people want it all ;-) | 21:27 | |
| davmor2 | charlie-tca: eating helps you know it's true :) | 21:28 |
| charlie-tca | Once in a while, anyway | 21:28 |
| charlie-tca | I haven't eaten in two days, again | 21:28 |
| charlie-tca | I am thinking I need to, though | 21:29 |
| fader | I have a great idea for a company. Busy people can pay me to eat for them. (Naturally I'd want high-end clients who are just too busy to eat their five-star meals.) | 21:30 |
| charlie-tca | heh, just might work | 21:31 |
| * davmor2 no good looking at me then :D | 21:33 | |
| cr3 | fader: you could also offer to go to the bathroom for them as an added bonus, no charge | 21:33 |
| charlie-tca | ohh, I would pay for that! | 21:34 |
| fader | cr3: Nah, I'm going to focus on my core competency here. I'll leave the add-ons for third parties. | 21:34 |
| * fader mutters something about leveraging synergies to grow the brand... | 21:34 | |
| cr3 | fader: you're missing out on two potential customers in this channel: charlie-tca and myself | 21:34 |
| fader | cr3: I've seen what you eat. You couldn't pay me enough to go to the bathroom for you. | 21:35 |
| davmor2 | cr3: he did say 5 star meals though dude ;) | 21:35 |
| fader | ;) | 21:35 |
| cr3 | yeah, meow mix probably doesn't qualify as "5 start" | 21:36 |
| cr3 | err, "star" even | 21:36 |
| davmor2 | cr3: It might do if your a cat :D | 21:37 |
| fader | I'm definitely not going to the bathroom for cats. | 21:37 |
| charlie-tca | Seems cleaner than dogs | 21:38 |
| fader | Hey, does the kubuntu oem install normally have a desktop icon for 'prepare for shipping' the way the ubuntu (gnome) oem install does? | 21:53 |
| davmor2 | fader: yes | 21:53 |
| fader | davmor2: Thanks, that's what I thought. | 21:54 |
| davmor2 | it's normally in the desktop folder | 21:54 |
| * fader is off to Launchpad. | 21:54 | |
| davmor2 | fader: first check and see if it's in the menu | 21:54 |
| fader | davmor2: Yeah, I didn't see it there unfortunately. | 21:55 |
| fader | There's also nothing in ~oem or ~oem/Desktop | 21:55 |
| fader | Er, there are things there but not oem-config related :) | 21:55 |
| cr3 | pip pip, cheerio | 22:03 |
| persia | Anyone bored and feel like testing UNR? | 22:07 |
| fader | BRB, got to switch network connections here | 22:09 |
| fader | What did I miss? | 22:11 |
| davmor2 | fader: just to double check you had installed the oem part right ;) | 22:17 |
| fader | Hehe yeah | 22:18 |
| fader | I had the same thought but was reassured when I realized I was logged in as 'oem' and it said 'oem temporary user' (or whatever it says) as my username | 22:18 |
| davmor2 | i'm just confirming it for you :) | 22:19 |
| * fader hugs davmor2. | 22:21 | |
| davmor2 | persia: just finished dling it | 22:22 |
| persia | davmor2, Then you've beaten me :) | 22:22 |
| persia | Apparently all the regular testers took a break for this alpha, which leaves the rest of us :) | 22:22 |
| davmor2 | 20meg BB | 22:22 |
| davmor2 | persia: no it's just I've been busy ;) | 22:23 |
| persia | Oh. I thought plars and StevenK usually did the UNR testing. Sorry to exclude you. | 22:24 |
| davmor2 | Oh yes | 22:32 |
| davmor2 | persia: I just throw my hat in the ring from time to time :) | 22:32 |
| davmor2 | fader: can you try a resize on kubuntu against an existing install please | 22:35 |
| davmor2 | with the existing having ext4 for the fs | 22:35 |
| fader | davmor2: Roger wilco... I'm just finishing up an install now so you have good timing | 22:35 |
| fader | davmor2: You don't mind if it's an alternate install rather than desktop do you? | 22:41 |
| davmor2 | My issue is on live but it might be good to see if it affects alt too | 22:42 |
| fader | Huh, I don't seem to have the option. | 22:43 |
| fader | Maybe I munged something in my last install... let me play with this a bit. | 22:44 |
| * sbeattie tries to reproduce as well. | 22:46 | |
| sbeattie | davmor2: worked here. | 22:56 |
| davmor2 | meh just me on hw then? | 22:56 |
| fader | Okay, resize has shown up for me this time with only a single partition. Does it not pop up if you have too complex a partition layout for it to handle? | 23:12 |
| fader | My internal clock is set to EAT... back in a bit | 23:13 |
| eeejay | hey fader | 23:46 |
| eeejay | fader, have you ever edited the checkbox glade file? | 23:47 |
| fader | eeejay: I don't believe so... why? | 23:48 |
| eeejay | fader, because there are custom widgets in it | 23:48 |
| fader | eeejay: cr3 might snap off my fingers if I started poking around at the internals of it | 23:48 |
| eeejay | fader: and i think you need a glade catalog file to compliment it | 23:48 |
| fader | eeejay: Yeah, I can't help you with that then :( | 23:48 |
| eeejay | fader: darns! | 23:49 |
| davmor2 | fader: I got prepare for shipping in my kde | 23:49 |
| fader | davmor2: Is this with the alt CD? | 23:49 |
| eeejay | davmor2: where will you ship kde to? | 23:49 |
| fader | Hehe | 23:49 |
| davmor2 | eeejay: endusers | 23:50 |
| davmor2 | fader: no live | 23:50 |
| eeejay | davmor2: typical | 23:50 |
| fader | davmor2: Hmm, I'll try it again with the alt CD next | 23:50 |
| davmor2 | eeejay: who else would you like kde to be shipped to ;) | 23:51 |
| eeejay | davmor2: the world's hungry | 23:52 |
| davmor2 | eeejay: wouldn't they still be hungry | 23:52 |
| davmor2 | I'd of thought food would of been better :) | 23:52 |
| fader | o_O | 23:52 |
| eeejay | i think they could use all the help they could get | 23:53 |
| slangasek | fader: I hear there may be something missing from the kubuntu alternate OEM stuff? | 23:56 |
| fader | slangasek: Yeah, I didn't get the 'prepare for shipping' icon | 23:56 |
| fader | I filed a bug but I will retest momentarily... I can't be sure it wasn't an ID10-T error. | 23:56 |
| slangasek | fader: does that mean the OEM install process fails? I'm not familiar with that icon | 23:57 |
| fader | slangasek: There was no way to finalize the install and prep it for the end-user to receive. It kept the 'oem' user and didn't present the first boot stuff that the user is supposed to get at first boot. | 23:57 |
| fader | First boot first boot | 23:58 |
| slangasek | fader: ok | 23:58 |
| fader | slangasek: I will retest and see if it was the crack I had for lunch :) | 23:58 |
| slangasek | I guess I'm inclined to pass on documenting this in the errata anyway, supposing that OEM mode is not a significant use case for our early-alpha testers | 23:58 |
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