| ron_o | but they are all PATA and not SATA. | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| ron_o | advanced technology does have its downside. :/ | 00:00 |
| ron_o | come to think of it, with 2GB or RAM that would be a waste. My ideas get ahead of myself sometimes. :) | 00:01 |
| PDG1 | lol | 00:02 |
| ron_o | if only you could write to a flash drive more than 80,000 times; if you could you could use that as a surrogate RAM partition.... | 00:02 |
| ron_o | until then. | 00:03 |
| PDG1 | until then | 00:04 |
| PDG1 | I'm starting to think I might be able to use DSL and icewm | 00:05 |
| PDG1 | but i have to wait for this install to finish | 00:05 |
| ron_o | why not just use fluxbox with DSL? You more used to icewm? | 00:06 |
| PDG1 | yeah... I'm not sure i like flux | 00:06 |
| PDG1 | i mean... I can give it a try again | 00:06 |
| PDG1 | thing I'm concerned about is my wifi card | 00:06 |
| ron_o | maybe here's one: http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=ulite | 00:06 |
| ron_o | u-lite distro. | 00:06 |
| ron_o | ahh, yah.. | 00:07 |
| PDG1 | it was automafically detected by puppy... | 00:07 |
| ron_o | I'm sure you can install a network manager and start it up with fluxbox. | 00:07 |
| PDG1 | not gOS | 00:07 |
| ron_o | that's why distros are so damn good to have. Starting from scratch is, well, kind of hard. | 00:07 |
| ron_o | I think I'll try U-lite in Vbox.. :) | 00:08 |
| ron_o | nice to have a fast computer for just such an occasion. | 00:08 |
| ron_o | nudge -- nudge ... :) | 00:09 |
| PDG1 | lol | 00:09 |
| PDG1 | I'm a cheap ass | 00:09 |
| PDG1 | infact | 00:09 |
| PDG1 | this laptop was given to me | 00:09 |
| PDG1 | lol | 00:09 |
| ron_o | so was I, but I just spent the money anyway. I built my computer from scratch. | 00:09 |
| ron_o | boy was that a pain. | 00:10 |
| PDG1 | yeah | 00:10 |
| PDG1 | I've grown fond of dell PC's because their easy to open | 00:11 |
| ron_o | you sort of will appreciate the expertise involved when you do it yourself. | 00:11 |
| ron_o | easy to open.. lol. | 00:11 |
| PDG1 | I tried replacing something in my dad's old computer... but he sent it away to some kind of computer fixer monkeys | 00:11 |
| PDG1 | they used WAY too much cable | 00:11 |
| PDG1 | there was no room for anything... no room for airflow | 00:12 |
| PDG1 | dustbunny's everywhere | 00:12 |
| ron_o | that sux. | 00:15 |
| PDG1 | it did | 00:16 |
| PDG1 | but it was a pretty crappy computer anyways | 00:16 |
| PDG1 | it had a zip drive | 00:16 |
| PDG1 | lol | 00:16 |
| knome | zip drives are sexy. | 00:17 |
| knome | *oops* | 00:17 |
| PDG1 | kind of useless | 00:18 |
| ron_o | zip drives are expensive, ... so are the tapes. | 00:18 |
| PDG1 | specially since I can't find the zip for the drive | 00:18 |
| ron_o | I have one of those still hanging around. | 00:19 |
| knome | they are *so* useful compared to normal disk drives. | 00:19 |
| PDG1 | are they actually? | 00:19 |
| ron_o | tapes are some of the best ways to keep something. | 00:19 |
| ron_o | no. :) | 00:19 |
| knome | ...they actually are if you are limited to zips or diskettes. | 00:20 |
| PDG1 | yeah i guess so | 00:20 |
| ron_o | knome, how do you figure? | 00:20 |
| knome | ron_o, by being in such situation? ;) | 00:20 |
| PDG1 | yeah... if you've got no cash and need to keep your geek on | 00:21 |
| knome | lol, not really | 00:21 |
| PDG1 | Zip drives are better than no drives | 00:21 |
| PDG1 | i always say | 00:21 |
| knome | but if you have some machines you can't use cd-rom or something else with. | 00:21 |
| ron_o | zip drives are tapes and thus keep data serially. | 00:22 |
| knome | at least if you manage something remotely and have to backup something and internet is not a choice. | 00:22 |
| ron_o | ahh, I see what you are saying. | 00:22 |
| ron_o | you're talking for a really old computer. | 00:22 |
| knome | i mean, of course i'd rather use dvd if i could but... sometimes it's not possible | 00:23 |
| ron_o | man, some of you linuxers are still in the stone age. :) | 00:23 |
| knome | or backup online. ;) | 00:23 |
| knome | or just keep up old systems for hobby | 00:23 |
| knome | that's fun! | 00:23 |
| ron_o | DVD sucks for anything besides a temporary place for something and for movies. | 00:23 |
| knome | we have a rack of old servers + some sparcs running ;) | 00:23 |
| ron_o | I'd like to set that up at home. | 00:23 |
| PDG1 | speaking of servers | 00:24 |
| ron_o | that way I could have my OS on my computer and all my data on the servers. | 00:24 |
| PDG1 | I am the proud father of a DDNS :) | 00:24 |
| PDG1 | which at this point I'm using for my utorrent webUI | 00:24 |
| PDG1 | first time ever :) rather proud of myself | 00:25 |
| knome | PDG1, father og one domain or a service or the technology? ;) | 00:25 |
| PDG1 | one domain :P | 00:25 |
| knome | right | 00:25 |
| knome | it's a free one, right? ;) | 00:25 |
| PDG1 | of course | 00:26 |
| PDG1 | I don't have that kind of cash | 00:26 |
| PDG1 | haha | 00:26 |
| knome | i own three domains, partly own one and we host a dozen. | 00:26 |
| PDG1 | that's why my laptop is considered a "low memory" syustem | 00:27 |
| knome | like, real domains :P | 00:27 |
| PDG1 | .homelinux.net is a real domain :( | 00:27 |
| knome | but blahblah.homelinux.net is not :) | 00:27 |
| knome | it's a subdomain | 00:27 |
| PDG1 | :'( aaahhh You're right | 00:27 |
| knome | domains are actually quite cheap | 00:28 |
| knome | some 8$ per year or sth. | 00:28 |
| PDG1 | per year? | 00:28 |
| knome | yes. | 00:29 |
| knome | if you have to host it, it's maybe 12$ per year | 00:29 |
| PDG1 | yeah... I could probably get away with that | 00:29 |
| knome | (.com .net etc. domains) | 00:29 |
| erik__ | hi all | 00:29 |
| PDG1 | I've jsut been going with free because I really don't know what I'm doing | 00:29 |
| knome | !hi | erik__ | 00:29 |
| ubottu | erik__: Hi! Welcome to #xubuntu! | 00:29 |
| erik__ | i have a question what program is good for cleaning temp internet files under xubuntu | 00:30 |
| knome | erik__, uhh... use the browser? | 00:30 |
| erik__ | firefox | 00:31 |
| knome | erik__, yes, firefox has tools for it | 00:31 |
| ron_o | erik__, use bleachbit | 00:31 |
| PDG1 | isn't it CTRL+SHIFT+del to bring up the menu? | 00:31 |
| PDG1 | yup | 00:32 |
| knome | PDG1 is correct. | 00:32 |
| erik__ | ok | 00:32 |
| erik__ | i will search for it | 00:32 |
| PDG1 | i like being correct... | 00:32 |
| ron_o | just type #sudo apt-get install bleachbit in a terminal and if you don't like it then remove it. | 00:33 |
| PDG1 | in fact... starting today... I'm going to keep a tally of how many times I am right | 00:33 |
| erik__ | whoa whoa | 00:33 |
| erik__ | im still new to linux | 00:33 |
| ron_o | erik__, if you are looking for privacy, then you have come upon a vast subject and it's it's very hard to accomplish with a modern OS. | 00:34 |
| erik__ | ok | 00:35 |
| ron_o | but bleachbit can help. :) | 00:35 |
| erik__ | im not concerned about privacy | 00:35 |
| ron_o | OK. :) | 00:36 |
| ron_o | space then? | 00:36 |
| erik__ | just sometimes youtube slows down | 00:36 |
| ron_o | oh, hehe. Ok. | 00:36 |
| erik__ | on xp i used cc cleaner | 00:36 |
| erik__ | but i have got sick of xp | 00:36 |
| ron_o | and you think your /tmp file is too full? | 00:37 |
| erik__ | not sure | 00:37 |
| ron_o | when it happens, try ping..... $ping -c10 www.google.com in a terminal and see if it's not your internet connection. | 00:38 |
| erik__ | how do i get to terminal | 00:39 |
| erik__ | i looked under system | 00:39 |
| knome | erik__, accessories > termianl | 00:39 |
| knome | *terminal | 00:39 |
| erik__ | 1- packets transmited | 00:41 |
| erik__ | 10 | 00:41 |
| erik__ | 10 recieved | 00:41 |
| ron_o | also try Alt+F2 and then type in xfce4-terminal | 00:41 |
| erik__ | 0 packet loss | 00:41 |
| ron_o | how many milliseconds? | 00:41 |
| PDG1 | yeah... I found alt F2 really handy | 00:41 |
| erik__ | 9012 | 00:41 |
| erik__ | milliseconds | 00:42 |
| ron_o | I think that's about right. | 00:42 |
| ron_o | about 9 seconds. Is that good guys? My internet connection sux. | 00:42 |
| erik__ | im on dsl | 00:42 |
| erik__ | 3mb | 00:42 |
| erik__ | verizon | 00:42 |
| erik__ | cable internet can be a nightmare | 00:43 |
| knome | well, i get a lot more but i'm not so close to google.com | 00:43 |
| knome | i think it's ok though | 00:43 |
| ron_o | erik__, just remember to ping.. I've no idea why youtube would slow down. I doubt it's your /tmp file | 00:44 |
| knome | erik__, how much ram do you have? :) | 00:44 |
| erik__ | 512 | 00:44 |
| knome | hmmk, performance issues... | 00:44 |
| erik__ | amd 2400 | 00:44 |
| knome | it *might* be because "only" 512 ram | 00:44 |
| knome | escpecially if you are running a lot of other apps | 00:44 |
| erik__ | overall | 00:44 |
| erik__ | its still fast | 00:45 |
| ron_o | DSL from a live CD? | 00:45 |
| erik__ | xubuntu | 00:45 |
| erik__ | i installed it | 00:45 |
| ron_o | nevermind.. DSL>.. Damn Small Linux... you mean Digital Subscriber line. :) | 00:46 |
| ron_o | lol | 00:46 |
| erik__ | i downloaded xubuntu an burned it to a cd | 00:46 |
| erik__ | an i tried pc bsd | 00:46 |
| mib_u58k9mgv | Every distro I have tried has maxed out my cpu, It's 700mhz and I have 370 megs of RAM, will Xubuntu 9.04 max out the cpu or not? | 00:47 |
| PDG1 | hey... while you guys seem to be spoon feeding me... any idea how to reset the index of the tracker app? | 00:47 |
| ron_o | mib_u58k9mgv, yes. | 00:47 |
| ron_o | 700MHz ain't very fast. | 00:47 |
| knome | mib_u58k9mgv, you can use xubuntu with that configuration, but it might be sloq. | 00:48 |
| mib_u58k9mgv | I know, it's a project - save the old pcs that are lingering in the back room | 00:48 |
| ron_o | try fluxbox window manager under xubuntu. Even then it will max out that system. But it will be useable. | 00:48 |
| knome | *slow | 00:48 |
| erik__ | is that a pentium 3 or celoron | 00:48 |
| mib_u58k9mgv | Celeron Coppermine | 00:48 |
| erik__ | at 700mhz | 00:49 |
| erik__ | is that a lapton | 00:49 |
| mib_u58k9mgv | Nope | 00:49 |
| erik__ | socket 370 | 00:49 |
| mib_u58k9mgv | It's a ! Open MX33 motherboard | 00:49 |
| mib_u58k9mgv | ! = A | 00:49 |
| ubottu | Sorry, I don't know anything about A | 00:49 |
| ron_o | celeron: not a large cache. | 00:49 |
| erik__ | i find a few pc in buffalo | 00:50 |
| erik__ | sit out for trash | 00:50 |
| mib_u58k9mgv | I know, it's terrible, firefox hangs with one tab open in CrunchBang (minimal ubuntu using openbox) | 00:50 |
| erik__ | a few were junk | 00:51 |
| ron_o | you see once you use firefox, no matter the OS it's going to kill a 700MHz computer. | 00:51 |
| erik__ | but i saved the cpu s | 00:51 |
| mib_u58k9mgv | Yeah, it's midori from now =) | 00:51 |
| erik__ | got a few p4 cpus | 00:51 |
| mib_u58k9mgv | What do people suggest then? Is there anything between xubuntu and DSL | 00:52 |
| mib_u58k9mgv | that I can give a shot? | 00:52 |
| erik__ | dsl linux is lightweight os | 00:52 |
| erik__ | very fast | 00:52 |
| mib_u58k9mgv | I can't work the wireless with it, I'm not that hardcore =) | 00:52 |
| erik__ | i see another os is going to linux kernel | 00:53 |
| mib_u58k9mgv | ? | 00:54 |
| erik__ | there is a os called skyos | 00:54 |
| erik__ | has anyone tried fuxubuntu | 00:55 |
| mib_u58k9mgv | new os's come about constantly... | 00:55 |
| mib_u58k9mgv | never tried it but it looks okay | 00:55 |
| erik__ | no skyos has been around awhile | 00:55 |
| mib_u58k9mgv | I went for #! instead | 00:56 |
| mib_u58k9mgv | oh, sorry | 00:56 |
| erik__ | syllable os | 00:56 |
| ron_o | fluxbuntu is good. | 00:56 |
| erik__ | is a interesting os | 00:56 |
| mib_u58k9mgv | Thanks =) | 00:56 |
| mib_u58k9mgv | I might go for slax tbh | 00:57 |
| mib_u58k9mgv | I have a custom one i made a couple of months ago | 00:57 |
| mib_u58k9mgv | Think backtrack 3 but more lightwieght, with gnome =) | 00:57 |
| mib_u58k9mgv | Right, well thanks alot peeps =) | 00:58 |
| ron_o | does anyone else have problem playing this video? | 01:06 |
| ron_o | http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=230058&title=Peter-Schiff | 01:06 |
| ron_o | both Opera and FF won't play it for me. | 01:07 |
| knome | worksforme | 01:07 |
| PDG1 | i'm in canada | 01:08 |
| ron_o | I have flashplayer version 10.xxx installed. | 01:08 |
| PDG1 | so it says to go to the comedy network to view | 01:08 |
| ron_o | weird stuff here. | 01:11 |
| ron_o | I reinstalled flash but it will only work in FF. | 01:23 |
| knome | night | 01:24 |
| erik__ | hi all | 01:41 |
| erik__ | quick question | 01:42 |
| PDG1 | aiight] | 01:45 |
| ron_o | !ask | 01:46 |
| ubottu | Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) | 01:46 |
| erik__ | im trying to get java run time | 01:46 |
| PDG1 | on what OS? | 01:50 |
| erik__ | xubuntu | 01:50 |
| erik__ | if not ill go pc bsd | 01:50 |
| PDG1 | I think that uses synaptic | 01:51 |
| erik__ | no on pc bsd | 01:51 |
| PDG1 | so... uh... system>admin> synaptic package manager | 01:51 |
| PDG1 | ohh | 01:51 |
| PDG1 | on PC bsd... | 01:51 |
| erik__ | java worked ok | 01:52 |
| PDG1 | because the JRE is available on xubuntu through the repositories i think | 01:52 |
| PDG1 | which is in the synaptic package manager | 01:52 |
| ron_o | openoffice is underrated: http://www.pcworld.com/article/151402-7/the_10_most_overrated_products.html | 01:55 |
| Roybot | gedit/nano fills all my needs! | 01:56 |
| ron_o | for binaries, however, both won't do any good at all. OO or Abiword will be needed for such things. | 01:57 |
| ron_o | actually, Abiword is all I need. | 01:58 |
| erik__ | ok | 02:00 |
| erik__ | i think i figured it out | 02:00 |
| erik__ | still alot to learn | 02:01 |
| PDG1 | anyways... thanks ron_o. you've been oodles of help | 02:05 |
| ron_o | erik__, there's a book out called ubuntu kungfu... it doesn't give the basics but it can help you out in performing some incredible tasks. | 02:05 |
| ron_o | for basics I'd recommend an Oreilly book. | 02:06 |
| Mkop | it seems like some xfce libs were downgraded to an old version in xubuntu jaunty | 03:20 |
| Mkop | libexo is at 0.3.1, whereas it seems like the latest version is 0.3.4 | 03:20 |
| MTec007 | is there an apt package for java decompilation ? | 04:16 |
| MTec007 | it doesnt have to be explicitly for java decompilation but that is a feature that i am in need of | 04:23 |
| MTec007 | if any can help me, it would be greatly appreciated. | 04:28 |
| Ou42 | hello - noob w/ a prob here - am i the only one? ;o) .... installed xubuntu 9.04 desktop a-ok... on a server... so weak graphics. slow but useable. | 06:54 |
| Ou42 | but trying to learn and get opengl working better, i found fglrxinfo and glxinfo ... they didn't run, but the response showed me how to install them. | 06:55 |
| Ou42 | my app of choice ( Houdini ) now launches much better. | 06:55 |
| Ou42 | i turned the server off. rebooted... now the GUI won't load. it hangs. any help appreciated. | 06:55 |
| Ou42 | ... | 07:00 |
| Ou42 | gonna go try "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" bbl | 07:01 |
| Ou42 | ... | 07:01 |
| OFu42 | hello. "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" didn't fix anything. xubuntu still hangs when trying to enter GUI. keyboard is locked. | 08:07 |
| erik__ | hi all | 08:18 |
| erik__ | i screwed up | 08:20 |
| erik__ | now i get error | 08:20 |
| erik__ | anyone here | 08:20 |
| erik__ | hi | 08:29 |
| erik__ | anyone here | 08:29 |
| daurnimator__ | anyone around? | 08:31 |
| erik__ | hi | 08:32 |
| daurnimator__ | my mouse isn't working proply | 08:32 |
| daurnimator__ | the mouse moves around fine | 08:32 |
| daurnimator__ | but clicks don't happen where the mouse is pointing | 08:32 |
| daurnimator__ | and alt+tab doesn't work | 08:33 |
| daurnimator__ | (this issue only occurs occasionally, but usually won't go away until I restart X) | 08:33 |
| daurnimator__ | possibly related to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/41301 ? | 08:33 |
| daurnimator | :( anyone | 08:37 |
| daurnimator__ | hmmm, when trying to use the package manager when the mouse is behaving strangely: I get Could not grab your mouse | 08:40 |
| SiDi | daurnimator__: are you on jaunty ? | 08:54 |
| daurnimator__ | yes | 08:55 |
| OFu42 | i found more info off of the [x]ubuntu wiki on changing resolutions etc. will give them a try, but another day. good night. | 08:56 |
| daurnimator__ | SiDi, are you able to help? | 08:58 |
| SiDi | daurnimator__: i'm not unfortunately, but i suggest you reopen that bug by giving the people there detailled information on your hardware | 09:01 |
| SiDi | you can also check bugzilla.kernel.org for similar bugs | 09:01 |
| daurnimator__ | I don't think its at all hardware related | 09:01 |
| daurnimator__ | I think I need to do a system reinstall | 09:07 |
| daurnimator__ | the thing is just getting way too cluttered | 09:07 |
| === danopia is now known as VbNet | ||
| MaxFrames | hello | 12:35 |
| MaxFrames | would you recommend converting my existing hard disk from ext3 to ext4? | 12:36 |
| joeri | i didnt do it (yet), so i cannot really give an advice | 12:47 |
| Rossiefox | Hello! | 13:05 |
| Rossiefox | How do I configure ALSA in Xubuntu? | 13:06 |
| crazygir | hiya hiya, I somehow removed/lost my two application launcher menus in xfce (default install), how might I get these back, as they were? | 15:13 |
| crazygir | I haven't been able to locate settings for this | 15:14 |
| charlie-tca | You still have the panels, right? | 15:14 |
| crazygir | yes | 15:16 |
| crazygir | charlie-tca: yes | 15:17 |
| charlie-tca | right click the top panel, left click "Add new items", add the "Xfce Menu" | 15:17 |
| charlie-tca | You can then change the name from Xfce Menu to Applications | 15:17 |
| charlie-tca | You can add "Places" back the same way | 15:18 |
| crazygir | charlie-tca: ahh.. silly me. thanks! | 15:23 |
| charlie-tca | You are welcome | 15:23 |
| ringo999 | SiDi: so I found a command that fixes my keyboard problem: setxkbmap -option -option lv3:rwin_switch,apple:badmap . Do I have to execute this everytime I boot, if so, where to put it? | 15:35 |
| SiDi | ringo999: you can add it in a file called .initrc | 15:37 |
| SiDi | that you'll put in your main folder | 15:37 |
| SiDi | it'll be executed when your session opens | 15:38 |
| _Pete_ | home folder | 15:40 |
| ringo999 | alrighty thanks! | 15:44 |
| erik__ | hi all | 15:53 |
| Ben_Cs | hello. how in 8.04 do i set the right small button as middle click in Logitech Trackman Marble? | 15:57 |
| vinnl | Hmm... Don't think that's possible | 15:58 |
| erik__ | i have a question on sudo | 16:00 |
| erik__ | last night i had to reinstall | 16:00 |
| charlie-tca | Please ask the question, then, erik__ | 16:00 |
| Ben_Cs | vinnl: why. How about xmodmap? | 16:00 |
| vinnl | Oh, might be... But not through the Xfce Settings Manager :) | 16:00 |
| erik__ | open add remove software i got error | 16:01 |
| Ben_Cs | vinnl: do you understand xmodmap? | 16:01 |
| erik__ | said use use | 16:01 |
| erik__ | sudo | 16:01 |
| vinnl | Ben_Cs, sorry | 16:01 |
| Ben_Cs | ok thanks | 16:01 |
| charlie-tca | erik__: You clicked on it in the menu? | 16:02 |
| erik__ | yah | 16:02 |
| erik__ | an i got rpm file error | 16:02 |
| erik__ | some about repositories use sudo command to fix | 16:02 |
| charlie-tca | something with that. Xubuntu does not use rpm | 16:03 |
| erik__ | anyway i reinstalled last night | 16:05 |
| charlie-tca | did you get this error after you reinstalled? | 16:07 |
| erik__ | no its fine now | 16:10 |
| charlie-tca | Great! :-) | 16:10 |
| erik__ | i guess there was no wayu to repair | 16:10 |
| charlie-tca | Something was wrong with the sources list, perhaps. It is real hard to fix if it is not doing it now. | 16:11 |
| erik__ | synaptic package manager i use now | 16:13 |
| erik__ | if i dont see the program | 16:14 |
| erik__ | i search there | 16:14 |
| charlie-tca | What is the program? | 16:14 |
| erik__ | the ones i needed was was java run time an flash player | 16:15 |
| erik__ | i got them install | 16:15 |
| erik__ | plus java runtime plugin | 16:15 |
| trunk1 | does anybody know why a cd drive would not be working after a xubuntu install | 16:22 |
| FelineMonstrosit | Hi. Since I updated to Ubuntu 9.04 the volume control widget has disappeared from my panel and I don't seem to be able to get it back. Anyone tell me how? | 17:38 |
| Algyz | I'd like to troll a bit :D | 17:38 |
| TheSheep | FelineMonstrosit: drag it from the list | 17:38 |
| FelineMonstrosit | It's not on the list. | 17:39 |
| stephen87 | hello | 17:39 |
| Algyz | I installed freebsd 7.2 now, because xubuntu 9.04 (targeting old hardware) was freezing my hard drive :( | 17:39 |
| TheSheep | hi stephen87 | 17:40 |
| stephen87 | 9.04 is doing that to me too | 17:40 |
| Algyz | Dunno why it was doing so, old 40GB IDE drive | 17:40 |
| TheSheep | Algyz: #xubuntu-offtopic is better for trolling | 17:40 |
| Algyz | Not interesting for you? :( | 17:40 |
| TheSheep | Algyz: I'm there | 17:40 |
| Algyz | Well, I mean xubuntu is targeting old hardware, and then we have laptop-mode-tools or something there :| | 17:41 |
| Algyz | okay | 17:41 |
| TheSheep | Algyz: this is a support channel | 17:41 |
| TheSheep | Algyz: thre is also #xubuntu-devel | 17:41 |
| Algyz | ah, okay, sry then | 17:41 |
| SiDi | Algyz: Xubuntu is targeting high performance and low RAM usage, actually | 17:42 |
| charlie-tca | FelineMonstrosit: it is called "mixer" | 17:42 |
| FelineMonstrosit | Heh. Silly me.:P | 17:46 |
| charlie-tca | nah, silly name | 17:46 |
| TheSheep | stephen87: anything suspicious in dmesg? | 17:59 |
| stephen87 | not that ive noticed | 18:00 |
| TheSheep | you can see the dmesgs from previous boots in /var/log | 18:01 |
| stephen87 | no | 18:01 |
| stephen87 | i cant do anything, nothing loads, i cant type at the black screen or anyhting | 18:01 |
| stephen87 | i do control-option-del and it reboots the computer and the same thing happens all over again | 18:02 |
| TheSheep | is alt+ctrl+f1, f2, etc. giving you text consoles? | 18:02 |
| stephen87 | i dont know ill try to boot and see | 18:03 |
| stephen87 | brb | 18:03 |
| === SoylentGrun is now known as gaurdro | ||
| === mobile is now known as stephen87 | ||
| stephen87 | back | 18:07 |
| TheSheep | any luck? | 18:07 |
| stephen87 | yes i pressed control+alt+f1 | 18:08 |
| stephen87 | im using bitchx on a phone sorry if im slow | 18:08 |
| stephen87 | i have some text showing that says: | 18:09 |
| stephen87 | usplash: no useable theme found for 640x350 | 18:10 |
| stephen87 | screen init failed | 18:10 |
| stephen87 | 19+0 records in | 18:10 |
| TheSheep | can you see a login prompt on alt+ctrl+f2? | 18:10 |
| TheSheep | or f3, f4 | 18:10 |
| stephen87 | 19+0 records out | 18:10 |
| stephen87 | nope just a blinking cursor | 18:11 |
| stephen87 | that doesnt write anything i type | 18:11 |
| stephen87 | but the f1 screen allows me to type | 18:12 |
| samantha-c | is there a decent config utility that will set up dual head under xfce? gnome works out of the box and kde is a screaming nightmare. i'd hoped xfce was a happy medium. | 18:12 |
| TheSheep | stephen87: one thing it is failing to do is drwing the splash screen, you can disable that in boot options | 18:14 |
| TheSheep | stephen87: when bootig, press esc to get the grub menu, then press 'e' to edit it, and remove the 'splash' word from the options | 18:15 |
| TheSheep | stephen87: also remove 'quiet' | 18:15 |
| stephen87 | cool :) | 18:15 |
| * stephen87 reboots | 18:16 | |
| stephen87 | holding esc got me nowhere i held it after i chose which kernal to run | 18:18 |
| TheSheep | stephen87: no, that was the menu | 18:23 |
| stephen87 | i think im going to try the 9.04 alt insta | 18:23 |
| stephen87 | oh | 18:23 |
| TheSheep | stephen87: you should have pressed 'e' on that menu | 18:23 |
| * stephen87 retrys | 18:23 | |
| TheSheep | stephen87: it will let you edit the kernel options line | 18:23 |
| TheSheep | sorry, I wasn't clear | 18:23 |
| stephen87 | its ok im used to doing computer stuff the hard way im too dumb to be good with them... | 18:24 |
| stephen87 | ok i press e and it says >path to kernal<\\e no such file or dir | 18:26 |
| stephen87 | im using yaoboot if that matters at all... | 18:28 |
| TheSheep | no idea what that is | 18:29 |
| TheSheep | xubuntu uses grub by default... | 18:29 |
| stephen87 | it is a ppc bootloader | 18:30 |
| stephen87 | yaboot 1.3 | 18:30 |
| TheSheep | no experience with ppc here | 18:31 |
| TheSheep | maybe someone else | 18:31 |
| TheSheep | or forums/wiki/google | 18:31 |
| charlie-tca | Might be more help for ppc in #ubuntu-ppc or #ubuntu-powerpc | 18:31 |
| stephen87 | i appericate all you help if i could id smoke this joint with you | 18:31 |
| samantha-c | pot makes your penis shrivel. | 18:34 |
| samantha-c | just so you know. | 18:34 |
| samantha-c | it's almost as bad as spam in that way. | 18:34 |
| stephen87 | lol | 18:34 |
| stephen87 | if its shrivled anything its my brain but im willing to trade that for the pain relief | 18:40 |
| charlie-tca | stephen87: does it relieve arthritus pain? | 18:42 |
| stephen87 | no ive torn both rotator cuffs in the past year | 18:42 |
| charlie-tca | sorry to hear that. | 18:42 |
| stephen87 | and i have very bad stomach pain it lets me eat | 18:43 |
| charlie-tca | Ah, I see. At least it does help | 18:43 |
| stephen87 | yup it really is medicine | 18:44 |
| WorldBFree | can somebody point me to a tutorial to install xubuntu to a flash drive? | 19:47 |
| charlie-tca | WorldBFree: http://xubuntublog.wordpress.com/2008/11/07/ubuntu-from-your-flash-drive-easier-than-ever-before/ | 19:50 |
| WorldBFree | awesome thanks. didnt seem to find anything at the xubuntu website specifically detailing it | 19:50 |
| charlie-tca | no problem | 19:51 |
| choi | is this specific for xubuntu? | 19:51 |
| charlie-tca | yes | 19:52 |
| choi | oh. glad someone asked | 19:52 |
| choi | thnx for the info | 19:52 |
| charlie-tca | no problem | 19:52 |
| WorldBFree | i assume if my computer has the option to boot from usb its pretty darn easy to do | 19:55 |
| charlie-tca | I don't know, I don't do it | 19:55 |
| ptizzy | WorldBFree: I didn't have any problems with it, once I got the flash drive setup. | 19:57 |
| OFu42 | hello | 20:36 |
| OFu42 | poweredge T605 w/ ATI ES1000 grfx.... installed xubuntu from livecd no prob. | 20:37 |
| SiDi | well, hello | 20:37 |
| OFu42 | later installed fglrxinfo and glxinfo and the current session seemed even better ( not so many openGL UI errors when launching Houdini ) | 20:37 |
| * SiDi expects drama. | 20:38 | |
| OFu42 | on next boot of server... it hangs when trying to enter xubuntu's GUI. no keyboard or mouse. complete lock. | 20:38 |
| OFu42 | i'm using the livecd to be here. | 20:39 |
| SiDi | only a blue pale screen ? | 20:39 |
| SiDi | Like that : https://bugs.launchpad.net/mesa/+bug/351293 ? | 20:40 |
| OFu42 | no, white w/ pink / cyan mess | 20:40 |
| OFu42 | like the monitor isn't being detected correctly. | 20:40 |
| OFu42 | i can boot it in the "recovery mode" and get to a netroot prompt | 20:42 |
| OFu42 | i've tried: | 20:42 |
| OFu42 | sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ( the one and only setting for graphics is the first q. i've tried both settings. same result) | 20:42 |
| OFu42 | xrandr ( won't do anything as there is "no display" it says ) | 20:43 |
| OFu42 | get-edid | parse-edid ( wouldn't run... file not found err ) | 20:43 |
| OFu42 | sudo X -configure ( does a bunch of stuff - tells me to test it by 'X -config /root/xorg.conf.new' but same result | 20:44 |
| OFu42 | sudo displayconfig-gtk ( file not found | 20:45 |
| OFu42 | ... | 20:46 |
| OFu42 | most if not all xorg.conf files seem to have little to no info in them. is this correct? if so, where are the settings for the grfx / monitor stored or initialized from? | 20:46 |
| OFu42 | and/or - can i "copy" the livecd grfx / monitor initialization files to the harddrive? | 20:47 |
| SiDi | hm | 20:48 |
| SiDi | you've tried more things than i know :/ | 20:48 |
| SiDi | did you manually remove all the drivers except the generic ones ? | 20:49 |
| OFu42 | ha! i'm just trying what i find online. i'm a complete noob. | 20:49 |
| SiDi | and im not sure where the data is stored in xorg 1.7, unfortunately | 20:49 |
| OFu42 | i don't know how to remove things. barely know how to install things | 20:49 |
| SiDi | sudo aptitude purge packagename | 20:49 |
| SiDi | type aptitude search fglrx | 20:50 |
| SiDi | then purge any package with a i in the name except fglrx-modaliases | 20:50 |
| SiDi | from the shell. And then reboot the whole PC and tell me if xorg seems to work please | 20:50 |
| OFu42 | before i go... a few q's | 20:51 |
| OFu42 | heehee | 20:51 |
| OFu42 | can i run these from the livecd and have the affect the harddrive install? | 20:52 |
| OFu42 | or, if i boot to a netroot, no gui, will they run? | 20:52 |
| SiDi | hm, you need to do it from your install | 20:52 |
| SiDi | boot and switch to shell in order to do that | 20:53 |
| OFu42 | ok, so i end up in root, do i need to login to my account before making changes? or make the changes as root? | 20:53 |
| OFu42 | ok be back in a bit. | 20:57 |
| OFu42 | btw thank you very much for the help! | 20:57 |
| OFu42 | SiDi - you're a genius! | 21:13 |
| * OFu42 bows | 21:13 | |
| OFu42 | i'm not worthy. i'm not worthy. | 21:13 |
| OFu42 | ;o) | 21:13 |
| * charlie-tca nods | 21:13 | |
| OFu42 | so without getting into too much technical over the noob's head stuff, why would installing "fglrxinfo" break the GUI? | 21:14 |
| SiDi | OFu42: happy to see it solved your problem | 21:15 |
| SiDi | OFu42: please file a bug against it | 21:15 |
| SiDi | its drivers for the ATI cards, but it might not work so well with your card | 21:15 |
| SiDi | and i think its related to that bug i posted above, about session not working on second boot of a clean install | 21:16 |
| OFu42 | that's what i'm trying to determine... it's a server and i'm trying to run it as a desktop... so far w/o upgrading the grfx card ( ATI ES1000 ) | 21:17 |
| OFu42 | ( they put a pcie x8 slot that blocks a x16 card to fit w/o modification to the card or the slot ) | 21:18 |
| OFu42 | all *that* to say, i'm not sure it is a bug... as the current "grfx" is so old and wimpy. | 21:18 |
| SiDi | hm | 21:21 |
| SiDi | maybe you should give it a try with some brand new opensource ati drivers then :) | 21:21 |
| SiDi | but im not responsible for you having to reinstall :p that's only if you wanna experiment | 21:21 |
| OFu42 | is there such a thing as a software opengl 2.0 driver? | 21:23 |
| SiDi | err, if there is one, i wouldnt try it :p but i know you can force xorg to software render some stuff | 21:23 |
| OFu42 | i know i'm repeating, but here's the deal. after installing both flrgxinfo and glxinfo, Houdin ( 3D app for VFX ) launched w/ very little errors ( uses opengl for its UI ) | 21:25 |
| OFu42 | but then when i rebooted xubuntu couldn't boot. so i find the whole thing... interesting... as it seems whatever flgrxinfo did termporarily ( lied to Houdini? ) it made Houdini launch faster and seeminly better. | 21:26 |
| OFu42 | seemingly | 21:26 |
| OFu42 | anyway, thanks again. | 21:26 |
| tapiocapudding | hey, i was looking at xubuntu as a possible OS to power a really old comp, but i can't find the requirements besides hdd space and ram | 21:32 |
| tapiocapudding | what sort of processor speed do i need | 21:32 |
| knome | tapiocapudding, ram is the biggest showkiller | 21:32 |
| charlie-tca | 400MHz minimum | 21:33 |
| charlie-tca | but, knome is right. ram works wonders | 21:33 |
| tapiocapudding | ok, thanks | 21:33 |
| OFu42 | SiDi - i've been reading more up on the prob... and fglrx does not support the ES1000.... there've been enough posts / mentions about it, so i don't think it's a bug. just not suported. | 22:33 |
| OFu42 | SiDi - thanks again. appreciate all the help! | 22:34 |
| SiDi | OFu42: oh, ok then :) | 22:36 |
| SiDi | OFu42: by the way, how did you install it ? | 22:37 |
| SiDi | via the restricted hardware drivers window, or manually ? | 22:37 |
| OFu42 | afraid to find out. but i typed "fglrxinfo" in a terminal prompt, and it said i needed to install it... so i did what it said. | 22:38 |
| OFu42 | changed my mind | 22:39 |
| OFu42 | hold on | 22:39 |
| OFu42 | so from terminal, 'fglrxinfo' comes back w/ ".. not currently installed." install by typing, "sudo apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx" | 22:41 |
| * OFu42 bangs head on table | 22:41 | |
| OFu42 | at least i'm learning. ;o) | 22:41 |
| OFu42 | thanks again. gotta go. | 22:42 |
| sml12261 | HP just pissed me off! | 22:53 |
| sml12261 | Can you guys help with what they wouldn't? | 22:54 |
| Carlis | Hi | 22:54 |
| charlie-tca | !question | 22:54 |
| ubottu | Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) | 22:54 |
| sml12261 | External Hard Drive won't boot | 22:54 |
| sml12261 | They say it is supported but I can't get it to run | 22:54 |
| SiDi | Alright, what kind of drive is it ? Anything particular ? And what do you mean by cant get it to run ? | 22:55 |
| Carlis | How do i start Firefox without terminal ? | 22:55 |
| sml12261 | I set everything the way I should to boot an external drive, but it acts like the drive is not there when booting. It is a USB external drive | 22:56 |
| Carlis | who can help me ? | 22:56 |
| sml12261 | Acomdata Tango enclosure with a 40GB Seagate SATA II drive inside. | 22:56 |
| sml12261 | Carlis what are you running (distro)? | 22:57 |
| Carlis | Xubuntu | 22:57 |
| charlie-tca | Carlis: Applications -> Network -> Firefox ? | 22:57 |
| sml12261 | thats my best guess too | 22:57 |
| Carlis | I do click on the firefox icon and automatic opens the terminal | 22:58 |
| charlie-tca | Have you changed any .desktop files? | 22:59 |
| charlie-tca | or any of the menu files? | 23:00 |
| charlie-tca | or added a launcher for it? | 23:00 |
| Carlis | I didnt. May be a guest changed it | 23:00 |
| SiDi | sml12261: if you do a sudo fdisk -l | 23:00 |
| SiDi | do you see it ? | 23:00 |
| charlie-tca | Carlis: look in ~/.local/share/applications and see if there any files. | 23:01 |
| sml12261 | is that L | 23:01 |
| sml12261 | SiDi nothing with sudo fdisk -l | 23:02 |
| SiDi | its a L yeh, but not capitalised | 23:03 |
| sml12261 | oops hold on | 23:03 |
| sml12261 | no drive attached | 23:03 |
| SiDi | It returns that ? :/ | 23:03 |
| charlie-tca | Carlis: if there are no files there, you will need to edit /usr/share/applications/Firefox Web Browser as root and change the line "Terminal=true" | 23:03 |
| charlie-tca | to "terminal=false" | 23:04 |
| sml12261 | no my drive wasn't plugged in | 23:04 |
| Carlis | wait chalie-tca | 23:04 |
| sml12261 | now I gt lots of info on the drive | 23:04 |
| Carlis | please | 23:04 |
| SiDi | sml12261: put everything on a paste site please | 23:04 |
| SiDi | !paste | 23:04 |
| ubottu | pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/index.php?page=add | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic | 23:04 |
| sml12261 | SiDi: http://paste.ubuntu.com/193809/ | 23:05 |
| SiDi | sdb is your external drive ? | 23:08 |
| sml12261 | yes | 23:08 |
| SiDi | so you wanna boot on it, or just use it from your current install ? | 23:09 |
| sml12261 | boot it | 23:09 |
| sml12261 | I'm on PS3 now, other machine is Windows and I want to be able to use Xubu there | 23:09 |
| SiDi | ok | 23:10 |
| Carlis | charlie-tca there are files there ~/.local/share/applications | 23:10 |
| SiDi | and i suppose there is a sda1 then | 23:10 |
| SiDi | you'll need grub on the first disk to boot the partitions on the second one | 23:10 |
| charlie-tca | Is there one for firefox? | 23:10 |
| SiDi | or to boot from usb | 23:10 |
| SiDi | you should have such an option in your bios | 23:10 |
| sml12261 | GRUB error in Windows hard drive | 23:11 |
| Carlis | charlie-tca no | 23:11 |
| sml12261 | Error 21 I believe | 23:11 |
| charlie-tca | What about browser or web browser? | 23:11 |
| Carlis | firefox | 23:11 |
| SiDi | sml12261: go to your bios and tell it to boot from USB then please | 23:12 |
| charlie-tca | yes, now just open that in firefox and find the line that starts with "terminal= | 23:12 |
| SiDi | do you have a grub on the MBR of this disk ? | 23:12 |
| charlie-tca | no | 23:12 |
| sml12261 | Tried many times but ignores the USB drive and goes to internal Drive | 23:12 |
| charlie-tca | open it in mousepad and find the line that starts with 'terminal= | 23:12 |
| sml12261 | I used a guided install on the drive so I don't know where all it is but I know it put GRUB on at least the first drive | 23:13 |
| Carlis | where do i open it charlie tca ?? | 23:13 |
| SiDi | sml12261: its probably because there is no boot manager installed on your external drive | 23:14 |
| charlie-tca | right-click and select "open with mousepad | 23:14 |
| SiDi | sml12261: on the last window of the install, there is an "Advanced options" button | 23:14 |
| charlie-tca | or are you in a terminal? | 23:14 |
| SiDi | click it and chose to install the boot loader in sbd | 23:14 |
| SiDi | then your drive will be bootable | 23:14 |
| SiDi | sml12261: try to find tutorials on how to install to an usb / external drive, there should be some | 23:15 |
| Carlis | yes I am in terminal | 23:15 |
| charlie-tca | Okay, just cd to ~/.local/share/applications, then type mousepad firefox | 23:15 |
| sml12261 | Ok thanks, If I can get rid of the GRUB on my Windows drive I will try wingrub and see if that recognizes the drive, I'll also try reinstalling with that option | 23:16 |
| SiDi | sml12261: the problem is that im not sure grub can see usb disks yet at this stage | 23:17 |
| SiDi | anyway i'm sorry but i'll have to leave you, i need to go bed :) | 23:17 |
| SiDi | good night everyone | 23:17 |
| sml12261 | yeah I got drive not found error before with that | 23:17 |
| charlie-tca | good night, SiDi | 23:17 |
| sml12261 | Byr | 23:17 |
| sml12261 | Bye* | 23:17 |
| Carlis | ok charlie tca and then ¿ | 23:18 |
| Carlis | ? | 23:18 |
| charlie-tca | if there is a line "terminal= " make it "terminal=false" | 23:19 |
| charlie-tca | then save the file | 23:19 |
| Carlis | The file is empty | 23:19 |
| charlie-tca | then just close it and delete the file | 23:20 |
| Carlis | do i have to copy firefox from usr /share/application to .local/share/applicaitons ?? | 23:21 |
| Carlis | Charlie-tca ?? | 23:22 |
| charlie-tca | You can, and then make sure the "terminal=false" line is in it. | 23:22 |
| Carlis | ok, I am going to do | 23:22 |
| charlie-tca | anything there overrides /usr/share/applications | 23:22 |
| Carlis | is firefox.desktop ? | 23:26 |
| charlie-tca | yes | 23:27 |
| Carlis | ok | 23:27 |
| Carlis | The terminal is in false | 23:27 |
| charlie-tca | and you copied it to .local/share/applications , right? | 23:28 |
| Carlis | right | 23:28 |
| charlie-tca | That should do it, then. | 23:28 |
| charlie-tca | You do have to log out/log in for the change to take | 23:29 |
| Carlis | but the value was already in false | 23:29 |
| charlie-tca | It's okay, it should work now | 23:30 |
| Carlis | I am goin to log out and log in again ok ? | 23:31 |
| charlie-tca | okay | 23:31 |
| Carlis | be right back | 23:31 |
| Carlis | charlie-tca ?? | 23:36 |
| charlie-tca | yeah | 23:36 |
| Carlis | It didnt work | 23:36 |
| charlie-tca | are you clicking the menu icon or the panel icon? | 23:37 |
| Carlis | I am clicking it on the panel icon | 23:37 |
| charlie-tca | right click it, click properties | 23:37 |
| Carlis | ok | 23:38 |
| charlie-tca | uncheck "Run in terminal" | 23:38 |
| Carlis | ok | 23:38 |
| charlie-tca | click okay | 23:39 |
| Carlis | I have to leave now | 23:39 |
| charlie-tca | okay | 23:39 |
| charlie-tca | good luck | 23:39 |
| Carlis | I tell u if did it work ok ? | 23:39 |
| charlie-tca | Great | 23:39 |
| Carlis | Thank u for ur help | 23:40 |
| Carlis | bye | 23:40 |
| charlie-tca | You are welcome | 23:40 |
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