[00:00] <ron_o> but they are all PATA and not SATA.
[00:00] <ron_o> advanced technology does have its downside. :/
[00:01] <ron_o> come to think of it, with 2GB or RAM that would be a waste. My ideas get ahead of myself sometimes. :)
[00:02] <PDG1> lol
[00:02] <ron_o> if only you could write to a flash drive more than 80,000 times; if  you could you could use that as a surrogate RAM partition....
[00:03] <ron_o> until then.
[00:04] <PDG1> until then
[00:05] <PDG1> I'm starting to think I might be able to use DSL and icewm
[00:05] <PDG1> but i have to wait for this install to finish
[00:06] <ron_o> why not just use fluxbox with DSL? You more used to icewm?
[00:06] <PDG1> yeah... I'm not sure i like flux
[00:06] <PDG1> i mean... I can give it a try again
[00:06] <PDG1> thing I'm concerned about is my wifi card
[00:06] <ron_o> maybe here's one: http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=ulite
[00:06] <ron_o> u-lite distro.
[00:07] <ron_o> ahh, yah..
[00:07] <PDG1> it was automafically detected by puppy...
[00:07] <ron_o> I'm sure you can install a network manager and start it up with fluxbox.
[00:07] <PDG1> not gOS
[00:07] <ron_o> that's why distros are so damn good to have. Starting from scratch is, well, kind of hard.
[00:08] <ron_o> I think I'll try U-lite in Vbox.. :)
[00:08] <ron_o> nice to have a fast computer for just such an occasion.
[00:09] <ron_o> nudge -- nudge ... :)
[00:09] <PDG1> lol
[00:09] <PDG1> I'm a cheap ass
[00:09] <PDG1> infact
[00:09] <PDG1> this laptop was given to me
[00:09] <PDG1> lol
[00:09] <ron_o> so was I, but I just spent the money anyway. I built my computer from scratch.
[00:10] <ron_o> boy was that a pain.
[00:10] <PDG1> yeah
[00:11] <PDG1> I've grown fond of dell PC's because their easy to open
[00:11] <ron_o> you sort of will appreciate the expertise involved when you do it yourself.
[00:11] <ron_o> easy to open.. lol.
[00:11] <PDG1> I tried replacing something in my dad's old computer... but he sent it away to some kind of computer fixer monkeys
[00:11] <PDG1> they used WAY too much cable
[00:12] <PDG1> there was no room for anything... no room for airflow
[00:12] <PDG1> dustbunny's everywhere
[00:15] <ron_o> that sux.
[00:16] <PDG1> it did
[00:16] <PDG1> but it was a pretty crappy computer anyways
[00:16] <PDG1> it had a zip drive
[00:16] <PDG1> lol
[00:17] <knome> zip drives are sexy.
[00:17] <knome> *oops*
[00:18] <PDG1> kind of useless
[00:18] <ron_o> zip drives are expensive, ... so are the tapes.
[00:18] <PDG1> specially since I can't find the zip for the drive
[00:19] <ron_o> I have one of those still hanging around.
[00:19] <knome> they are *so* useful compared to normal disk drives.
[00:19] <PDG1> are they actually?
[00:19] <ron_o> tapes are some of the best ways to keep something.
[00:19] <ron_o> no. :)
[00:20] <knome> ...they actually are if you are limited to zips or diskettes.
[00:20] <PDG1> yeah i guess so
[00:20] <ron_o> knome, how do you figure?
[00:20] <knome> ron_o, by being in such situation? ;)
[00:21] <PDG1> yeah... if you've got no cash and need to keep your geek on
[00:21] <knome> lol, not really
[00:21] <PDG1> Zip drives are better than no drives
[00:21] <PDG1> i always say
[00:21] <knome> but if you have some machines you can't use cd-rom or something else with.
[00:22] <ron_o> zip drives are tapes and thus keep data serially.
[00:22] <knome> at least if you manage something remotely and have to backup something and internet is not a choice.
[00:22] <ron_o> ahh, I see what you are saying.
[00:22] <ron_o> you're talking for a really old computer.
[00:23] <knome> i mean, of course i'd rather use dvd if i could but... sometimes it's not possible
[00:23] <ron_o> man, some of you linuxers are still in the stone age. :)
[00:23] <knome> or backup online. ;)
[00:23] <knome> or just keep up old systems for hobby
[00:23] <knome> that's fun!
[00:23] <ron_o> DVD sucks for anything besides a temporary place for something and for movies.
[00:23] <knome> we have a rack of old servers + some sparcs running ;)
[00:23] <ron_o> I'd like to set that up at home.
[00:24] <PDG1> speaking of servers
[00:24] <ron_o> that way I could have my OS on my computer and all my data on the servers.
[00:24] <PDG1> I am the proud father of a DDNS :)
[00:24] <PDG1> which at this point I'm using for my utorrent webUI
[00:25] <PDG1> first time ever :) rather proud of myself
[00:25] <knome> PDG1, father og one domain or a service or the technology? ;)
[00:25] <PDG1> one domain :P
[00:25] <knome> right
[00:25] <knome> it's a free one, right? ;)
[00:26] <PDG1> of course
[00:26] <PDG1> I don't have that kind of cash
[00:26] <PDG1> haha
[00:26] <knome> i own three domains, partly own one and we host a dozen.
[00:27] <PDG1> that's why my laptop is considered a "low memory" syustem
[00:27] <knome> like, real domains :P
[00:27] <PDG1> .homelinux.net is a real domain :(
[00:27] <knome> but blahblah.homelinux.net is not :)
[00:27] <knome> it's a subdomain
[00:27] <PDG1> :'( aaahhh You're right
[00:28] <knome> domains are actually quite cheap
[00:28] <knome> some 8$ per year or sth.
[00:28] <PDG1> per year?
[00:29] <knome> yes.
[00:29] <knome> if you have to host it, it's maybe 12$ per year
[00:29] <PDG1> yeah... I could probably get away with that
[00:29] <knome> (.com .net etc. domains)
[00:29] <erik__> hi all
[00:29] <PDG1> I've jsut been going with free because I really don't know what I'm doing
[00:29] <knome> !hi | erik__
[00:30] <erik__> i have a question what program is good for cleaning  temp internet files under xubuntu
[00:30] <knome> erik__, uhh... use the browser?
[00:31] <erik__> firefox
[00:31] <knome> erik__, yes, firefox has tools for it
[00:31] <ron_o> erik__, use bleachbit
[00:31] <PDG1> isn't it CTRL+SHIFT+del to bring up the menu?
[00:32] <PDG1> yup
[00:32] <knome> PDG1 is correct.
[00:32] <erik__> ok
[00:32] <erik__> i will search for it
[00:32] <PDG1> i like being correct...
[00:33] <ron_o> just type #sudo apt-get install bleachbit   in  a terminal and if you don't like it then remove it.
[00:33] <PDG1> in fact... starting today... I'm going to keep a tally of how many times I am right
[00:33] <erik__> whoa whoa
[00:33] <erik__> im still new to linux
[00:34] <ron_o> erik__, if you are looking for privacy, then you have come upon a vast subject and it's it's very hard to accomplish with a modern OS.
[00:35] <erik__> ok
[00:35] <ron_o> but bleachbit can help. :)
[00:35] <erik__> im not concerned about privacy
[00:36] <ron_o> OK. :)
[00:36] <ron_o> space then?
[00:36] <erik__> just sometimes youtube slows down
[00:36] <ron_o> oh, hehe. Ok.
[00:36] <erik__> on xp i used cc cleaner
[00:36] <erik__> but i have got sick of xp
[00:37] <ron_o> and you think your /tmp file is too full?
[00:37] <erik__> not sure
[00:38] <ron_o> when it happens, try ping.....   $ping -c10 www.google.com     in a terminal and see if it's not your internet connection.
[00:39] <erik__> how do i get to terminal
[00:39] <erik__> i looked under system
[00:39] <knome> erik__, accessories > termianl
[00:39] <knome> *terminal
[00:41] <erik__> 1- packets transmited
[00:41] <erik__> 10
[00:41] <erik__> 10 recieved
[00:41] <ron_o> also try Alt+F2   and then type in xfce4-terminal
[00:41] <erik__> 0 packet loss
[00:41] <ron_o> how many milliseconds?
[00:41] <PDG1> yeah... I found alt F2 really handy
[00:41] <erik__> 9012
[00:42] <erik__> milliseconds
[00:42] <ron_o> I think that's about right.
[00:42] <ron_o> about 9 seconds. Is that good guys? My internet connection sux.
[00:42] <erik__> im on dsl
[00:42] <erik__> 3mb
[00:42] <erik__> verizon
[00:43] <erik__> cable internet can be a nightmare
[00:43] <knome> well, i get a lot more but i'm not so close to google.com
[00:43] <knome> i think it's ok though
[00:44] <ron_o> erik__, just remember to ping.. I've no idea why youtube would slow down. I doubt it's your /tmp file
[00:44] <knome> erik__, how much ram do you have? :)
[00:44] <erik__> 512
[00:44] <knome> hmmk, performance issues...
[00:44] <erik__> amd 2400
[00:44] <knome> it *might* be because "only" 512 ram
[00:44] <knome> escpecially if you are running a lot of other apps
[00:44] <erik__> overall
[00:45] <erik__> its still fast
[00:45] <ron_o> DSL from a live CD?
[00:45] <erik__> xubuntu
[00:45] <erik__> i installed it
[00:46] <ron_o> nevermind.. DSL>.. Damn Small Linux...  you mean Digital Subscriber line. :)
[00:46] <ron_o> lol
[00:46] <erik__> i downloaded xubuntu an burned it to a cd
[00:46] <erik__> an i tried pc bsd
[00:47] <mib_u58k9mgv> Every distro I have tried has maxed out my cpu, It's 700mhz and I have 370 megs of RAM, will Xubuntu 9.04 max out the cpu or not?
[00:47] <PDG1> hey... while you guys seem to be spoon feeding me... any idea how to reset the index of the tracker app?
[00:47] <ron_o> mib_u58k9mgv, yes.
[00:47] <ron_o> 700MHz ain't very fast.
[00:48] <knome> mib_u58k9mgv, you can use xubuntu with that configuration, but it might be sloq.
[00:48] <mib_u58k9mgv> I know, it's a project - save the old pcs that are lingering in the back room
[00:48] <ron_o> try fluxbox window manager under xubuntu. Even then it will max out that system. But it will be useable.
[00:48] <knome> *slow
[00:48] <erik__> is that a pentium 3 or celoron
[00:48] <mib_u58k9mgv> Celeron Coppermine
[00:49] <erik__> at 700mhz
[00:49] <erik__> is that a lapton
[00:49] <mib_u58k9mgv> Nope
[00:49] <erik__> socket 370
[00:49] <mib_u58k9mgv> It's a ! Open MX33 motherboard
[00:49] <mib_u58k9mgv> ! = A
[00:49] <ron_o> celeron: not a large cache.
[00:50] <erik__> i find a few pc in buffalo
[00:50] <erik__> sit out for trash
[00:50] <mib_u58k9mgv> I know, it's terrible, firefox hangs with one tab open in CrunchBang (minimal ubuntu using openbox)
[00:51] <erik__> a few were junk
[00:51] <ron_o> you see once you use firefox, no matter the OS it's going to kill a 700MHz computer.
[00:51] <erik__> but i saved the cpu s
[00:51] <mib_u58k9mgv> Yeah, it's midori from now =)
[00:51] <erik__> got a few p4 cpus
[00:52] <mib_u58k9mgv> What do people suggest then? Is there anything between xubuntu and DSL
[00:52] <mib_u58k9mgv> that I can give a shot?
[00:52] <erik__> dsl linux is lightweight os
[00:52] <erik__> very fast
[00:52] <mib_u58k9mgv> I can't work the wireless with it, I'm not that hardcore =)
[00:53] <erik__> i see another os is going to linux kernel
[00:54] <mib_u58k9mgv> ?
[00:54] <erik__> there is a os called skyos
[00:55] <erik__> has anyone tried fuxubuntu
[00:55] <mib_u58k9mgv> new os's come about constantly...
[00:55] <mib_u58k9mgv> never tried it but it looks okay
[00:55] <erik__> no skyos has been around awhile
[00:56] <mib_u58k9mgv> I went for #! instead
[00:56] <mib_u58k9mgv> oh, sorry
[00:56] <erik__> syllable os
[00:56] <ron_o> fluxbuntu is good.
[00:56] <erik__> is a interesting os
[00:56] <mib_u58k9mgv> Thanks =)
[00:57] <mib_u58k9mgv> I might go for slax tbh
[00:57] <mib_u58k9mgv> I have a custom one  i made a couple of months ago
[00:57] <mib_u58k9mgv> Think backtrack 3 but more lightwieght, with gnome =)
[00:58] <mib_u58k9mgv> Right, well thanks alot peeps =)
[01:06] <ron_o> does anyone else have problem playing this video?
[01:06] <ron_o> http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=230058&title=Peter-Schiff
[01:07] <ron_o> both Opera and FF won't play it for me.
[01:07] <knome> worksforme
[01:08] <PDG1> i'm in canada
[01:08] <ron_o> I have flashplayer version 10.xxx installed.
[01:08] <PDG1> so it says to go to the comedy network to view
[01:11] <ron_o> weird stuff here.
[01:23] <ron_o> I reinstalled flash but it will only work in FF.
[01:24] <knome> night
[01:41] <erik__> hi all
[01:42] <erik__> quick question
[01:45] <PDG1> aiight]
[01:46] <ron_o> !ask
[01:46] <erik__> im trying to get java run time
[01:50] <PDG1> on what OS?
[01:50] <erik__> xubuntu
[01:50] <erik__> if not ill go pc bsd
[01:51] <PDG1> I think that uses synaptic
[01:51] <erik__> no on pc bsd
[01:51] <PDG1> so... uh... system>admin> synaptic package manager
[01:51] <PDG1> ohh
[01:51] <PDG1> on PC bsd...
[01:52] <erik__> java worked ok
[01:52] <PDG1> because the JRE is available on xubuntu through the repositories i think
[01:52] <PDG1> which is in the synaptic package manager
[01:55] <ron_o> openoffice is underrated: http://www.pcworld.com/article/151402-7/the_10_most_overrated_products.html
[01:56] <Roybot> gedit/nano fills all my needs!
[01:57] <ron_o> for binaries, however, both won't do any good at all. OO or Abiword will be needed for such things.
[01:58] <ron_o> actually, Abiword is all I need.
[02:00] <erik__> ok
[02:00] <erik__> i think i figured it out
[02:01] <erik__> still alot to learn
[02:05] <PDG1> anyways... thanks ron_o. you've been oodles of help
[02:05] <ron_o> erik__, there's a book out called ubuntu kungfu... it doesn't give the basics but it can help you out in performing some incredible tasks.
[02:06] <ron_o> for basics I'd recommend an Oreilly book.
[03:20] <Mkop> it seems like some xfce libs were downgraded to an old version in xubuntu jaunty
[03:20] <Mkop> libexo is at 0.3.1, whereas it seems like the latest version is 0.3.4
[04:16] <MTec007> is there an apt package for java decompilation ?
[04:23] <MTec007> it doesnt have to be explicitly for java decompilation but that is a feature that i am in need of
[04:28] <MTec007> if any can help me, it would be greatly appreciated.
[06:54] <Ou42> hello - noob w/ a prob here - am i the only one? ;o)  .... installed xubuntu 9.04 desktop a-ok... on a server...  so weak graphics.  slow but useable.
[06:55] <Ou42> but trying to learn and get opengl working better, i found fglrxinfo and glxinfo ... they didn't run, but the response showed me how to install them.
[06:55] <Ou42> my app of choice ( Houdini ) now launches much better.
[06:55] <Ou42> i turned the server off.  rebooted... now the GUI won't load.  it hangs.  any help appreciated.
[07:00] <Ou42> ...
[07:01] <Ou42> gonna go try "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" bbl
[07:01] <Ou42> ...
[08:07] <OFu42> hello.  "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" didn't fix anything.  xubuntu still hangs when trying to enter GUI.  keyboard is locked.
[08:18] <erik__> hi all
[08:20] <erik__> i screwed up
[08:20] <erik__> now i get error
[08:20] <erik__> anyone here
[08:29] <erik__> hi
[08:29] <erik__> anyone here
[08:31] <daurnimator__> anyone around?
[08:32] <erik__> hi
[08:32] <daurnimator__> my mouse isn't working proply
[08:32] <daurnimator__> the mouse moves around fine
[08:32] <daurnimator__> but clicks don't happen where the mouse is pointing
[08:33] <daurnimator__> and alt+tab doesn't work
[08:33] <daurnimator__> (this issue only occurs occasionally, but usually won't go away until I restart X)
[08:33] <daurnimator__> possibly related to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/41301 ?
[08:37] <daurnimator> :( anyone
[08:40] <daurnimator__> hmmm, when trying to use the package manager when the mouse is behaving strangely: I get Could not grab your mouse
[08:54] <SiDi> daurnimator__: are you on jaunty ?
[08:55] <daurnimator__> yes
[08:56] <OFu42> i found more info off of the [x]ubuntu wiki on changing resolutions etc.  will give them a try, but another day.  good night.
[08:58] <daurnimator__> SiDi, are you able to help?
[09:01] <SiDi> daurnimator__: i'm not unfortunately, but i suggest you reopen that bug by giving the people there detailled information on your hardware
[09:01] <SiDi> you can also check bugzilla.kernel.org for similar bugs
[09:01] <daurnimator__> I don't think its at all hardware related
[09:07] <daurnimator__> I think I need to do a system reinstall
[09:07] <daurnimator__> the thing is just getting way too cluttered
[12:35] <MaxFrames> hello
[12:36] <MaxFrames> would you recommend converting my existing hard disk from ext3 to ext4?
[12:47] <joeri> i didnt do it (yet), so i cannot really give an advice
[13:05] <Rossiefox> Hello!
[13:06] <Rossiefox> How do I configure ALSA in Xubuntu?
[15:13] <crazygir> hiya hiya, I somehow removed/lost my two application launcher menus in xfce (default install), how might I get these back, as they were?
[15:14] <crazygir> I haven't been able to locate settings for this
[15:14] <charlie-tca> You still have the panels, right?
[15:16] <crazygir> yes
[15:17] <crazygir> charlie-tca: yes
[15:17] <charlie-tca> right click the top panel, left click "Add new items", add the "Xfce Menu"
[15:17] <charlie-tca> You can then change the name from Xfce Menu to Applications
[15:18] <charlie-tca> You can add "Places" back the same way
[15:23] <crazygir> charlie-tca: ahh.. silly me. thanks!
[15:23] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[15:35] <ringo999> SiDi: so I found a command that fixes my keyboard problem: setxkbmap -option -option lv3:rwin_switch,apple:badmap . Do I have to execute this everytime I boot, if so, where to put it?
[15:37] <SiDi> ringo999: you can add it in a file called .initrc
[15:37] <SiDi> that you'll put in your main folder
[15:38] <SiDi> it'll be executed when your session opens
[15:40] <_Pete_> home folder
[15:44] <ringo999> alrighty thanks!
[15:53] <erik__> hi all
[15:57] <Ben_Cs>  hello. how in 8.04 do i set the right small button as middle click in Logitech Trackman Marble?
[15:58] <vinnl> Hmm... Don't think that's possible
[16:00] <erik__> i have a question on sudo
[16:00] <erik__> last night i had to reinstall
[16:00] <charlie-tca> Please ask the question, then, erik__
[16:00] <Ben_Cs> vinnl: why. How about xmodmap?
[16:00] <vinnl> Oh, might be... But not through the Xfce Settings Manager :)
[16:01] <erik__> open  add  remove software i got error
[16:01] <Ben_Cs> vinnl: do you understand xmodmap?
[16:01] <erik__> said use use
[16:01] <erik__> sudo
[16:01] <vinnl> Ben_Cs, sorry
[16:01] <Ben_Cs> ok thanks
[16:02] <charlie-tca> erik__: You clicked on it in the menu?
[16:02] <erik__> yah
[16:02] <erik__> an i got rpm file error
[16:02] <erik__> some about repositories use sudo command to fix
[16:03] <charlie-tca> something with that. Xubuntu does not use rpm
[16:05] <erik__> anyway i reinstalled last night
[16:07] <charlie-tca> did you get this error after you reinstalled?
[16:10] <erik__> no its fine now
[16:10] <charlie-tca> Great! :-)
[16:10] <erik__> i guess there was no wayu to repair
[16:11] <charlie-tca> Something was wrong with the sources list, perhaps. It is real hard to fix if it is not doing it now.
[16:13] <erik__> synaptic package manager i use now
[16:14] <erik__> if i dont see the program
[16:14] <erik__> i search there
[16:14] <charlie-tca> What is the program?
[16:15] <erik__> the ones i needed was was java run time an flash player
[16:15] <erik__> i got them install
[16:15] <erik__> plus java runtime plugin
[16:22] <trunk1> does anybody know why a cd drive would not be working after a xubuntu install
[17:38] <FelineMonstrosit> Hi. Since I updated to Ubuntu 9.04 the volume control widget has disappeared from my panel and I don't seem to be able to get it back. Anyone tell me how?
[17:38] <Algyz> I'd like to troll a bit :D
[17:38] <TheSheep> FelineMonstrosit: drag it from the list
[17:39] <FelineMonstrosit> It's not on the list.
[17:39] <stephen87> hello
[17:39] <Algyz> I installed freebsd 7.2 now, because xubuntu 9.04 (targeting old hardware) was freezing my hard drive :(
[17:40] <TheSheep> hi stephen87
[17:40] <stephen87> 9.04 is doing that to me too
[17:40] <Algyz> Dunno why it was doing so, old 40GB IDE drive
[17:40] <TheSheep> Algyz: #xubuntu-offtopic is better for trolling
[17:40] <Algyz> Not interesting for you? :(
[17:40] <TheSheep> Algyz: I'm there
[17:41] <Algyz> Well, I mean xubuntu is targeting old hardware, and then we have laptop-mode-tools or something there :|
[17:41] <Algyz> okay
[17:41] <TheSheep> Algyz: this is a support channel
[17:41] <TheSheep> Algyz: thre is also #xubuntu-devel
[17:41] <Algyz> ah, okay, sry then
[17:42] <SiDi> Algyz: Xubuntu is targeting high performance and low RAM usage, actually
[17:42] <charlie-tca> FelineMonstrosit: it is called "mixer"
[17:46] <FelineMonstrosit> Heh. Silly me.:P
[17:46] <charlie-tca> nah, silly name
[17:59] <TheSheep> stephen87: anything suspicious in dmesg?
[18:00] <stephen87> not that ive noticed
[18:01] <TheSheep> you can see the dmesgs from previous boots in /var/log
[18:01] <stephen87> no
[18:01] <stephen87> i cant do anything, nothing loads, i cant type at the black screen or anyhting
[18:02] <stephen87> i do control-option-del and it reboots the computer and the same thing happens all over again
[18:02] <TheSheep> is alt+ctrl+f1, f2, etc. giving you text consoles?
[18:03] <stephen87> i dont know ill try to boot and see
[18:03] <stephen87> brb
[18:07] <stephen87> back
[18:07] <TheSheep> any luck?
[18:08] <stephen87> yes i pressed control+alt+f1
[18:08] <stephen87> im using bitchx on a phone sorry if im slow
[18:09] <stephen87> i have some text showing that says:
[18:10] <stephen87> usplash: no useable theme found for 640x350
[18:10] <stephen87> screen init failed
[18:10] <stephen87> 19+0 records in
[18:10] <TheSheep> can you see a login prompt on alt+ctrl+f2?
[18:10] <TheSheep> or f3, f4
[18:10] <stephen87> 19+0 records out
[18:11] <stephen87> nope just a blinking cursor
[18:11] <stephen87> that doesnt write anything i type
[18:12] <stephen87> but the f1 screen allows me to type
[18:12] <samantha-c> is there a decent config utility that will set up dual head under xfce? gnome works out of the box and kde is a screaming nightmare. i'd hoped xfce was a happy medium.
[18:14] <TheSheep> stephen87: one thing it is failing to do is drwing the splash screen, you can disable that in boot options
[18:15] <TheSheep> stephen87: when bootig, press esc to get the grub menu, then press 'e' to edit it, and remove the 'splash' word from the options
[18:15] <TheSheep> stephen87: also remove 'quiet'
[18:15] <stephen87> cool :)
[18:16]  * stephen87 reboots
[18:18] <stephen87> holding esc got me nowhere i held it after i chose which kernal to run
[18:23] <TheSheep> stephen87: no, that was the menu
[18:23] <stephen87> i think im going to try the 9.04 alt insta
[18:23] <stephen87> oh
[18:23] <TheSheep> stephen87: you should have pressed 'e' on that menu
[18:23]  * stephen87 retrys
[18:23] <TheSheep> stephen87: it will let you edit the kernel options line
[18:23] <TheSheep> sorry, I wasn't clear
[18:24] <stephen87> its ok im used to doing computer stuff the hard way im too dumb to be good with them...
[18:26] <stephen87> ok i press e and it says >path to kernal<\\e no such file or dir
[18:28] <stephen87> im using yaoboot if that matters at all...
[18:29] <TheSheep> no idea what that is
[18:29] <TheSheep> xubuntu uses grub by default...
[18:30] <stephen87> it is a ppc bootloader
[18:30] <stephen87> yaboot 1.3
[18:31] <TheSheep> no experience with ppc here
[18:31] <TheSheep> maybe someone else
[18:31] <TheSheep> or forums/wiki/google
[18:31] <charlie-tca> Might be more help for ppc in #ubuntu-ppc or #ubuntu-powerpc
[18:31] <stephen87> i appericate all you help if i could id smoke this joint with you
[18:34] <samantha-c> pot makes your penis shrivel.
[18:34] <samantha-c> just so you know.
[18:34] <samantha-c> it's almost as bad as spam in that way.
[18:34] <stephen87> lol
[18:40] <stephen87> if its shrivled anything its my brain but im willing to trade that for the pain relief
[18:42] <charlie-tca> stephen87: does it relieve arthritus pain?
[18:42] <stephen87> no ive torn both rotator cuffs in the past year
[18:42] <charlie-tca> sorry to hear that.
[18:43] <stephen87> and i have very bad stomach pain it lets me eat
[18:43] <charlie-tca> Ah, I see. At least it does help
[18:44] <stephen87> yup it really is medicine
[19:47] <WorldBFree> can somebody point me to a tutorial to install xubuntu to a flash drive?
[19:50] <charlie-tca> WorldBFree: http://xubuntublog.wordpress.com/2008/11/07/ubuntu-from-your-flash-drive-easier-than-ever-before/
[19:50] <WorldBFree> awesome thanks.  didnt seem to find anything at the xubuntu website specifically detailing it
[19:51] <charlie-tca> no problem
[19:51] <choi> is this specific for xubuntu?
[19:52] <charlie-tca> yes
[19:52] <choi> oh. glad someone asked
[19:52] <choi> thnx for the info
[19:52] <charlie-tca> no problem
[19:55] <WorldBFree> i assume if my computer has the option to boot from usb its pretty darn easy to do
[19:55] <charlie-tca> I don't know, I don't do it
[19:57] <ptizzy> WorldBFree: I didn't have any problems with it, once I got the flash drive setup.
[20:36] <OFu42> hello
[20:37] <OFu42> poweredge T605 w/ ATI ES1000 grfx.... installed xubuntu from livecd no prob.
[20:37] <SiDi> well, hello
[20:37] <OFu42> later installed fglrxinfo and glxinfo and the current session seemed even better ( not so many openGL UI errors when launching Houdini )
[20:38]  * SiDi expects drama.
[20:38] <OFu42> on next boot of server... it hangs when trying to enter xubuntu's GUI.  no keyboard or mouse.  complete lock.
[20:39] <OFu42> i'm using the livecd to be here.
[20:39] <SiDi> only a blue pale screen ?
[20:40] <SiDi> Like that : https://bugs.launchpad.net/mesa/+bug/351293 ?
[20:40] <OFu42> no, white w/ pink / cyan mess
[20:40] <OFu42> like the monitor isn't being detected correctly.
[20:42] <OFu42> i can boot it in the "recovery mode" and get to a netroot prompt
[20:42] <OFu42> i've tried:
[20:42] <OFu42> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ( the one and only setting for graphics is the first q.  i've tried both settings.  same result)
[20:43] <OFu42> xrandr ( won't do anything as there is "no display" it says )
[20:43] <OFu42> get-edid | parse-edid ( wouldn't run... file not found err )
[20:44] <OFu42> sudo X -configure ( does a bunch of stuff - tells me to test it by 'X -config /root/xorg.conf.new' but same result
[20:45] <OFu42> sudo displayconfig-gtk ( file not found
[20:46] <OFu42> ...
[20:46] <OFu42> most if not all xorg.conf files seem to have little to no info in them.  is this correct?  if so, where are the settings for the grfx / monitor stored or initialized from?
[20:47] <OFu42> and/or - can i "copy" the livecd grfx / monitor initialization files to the harddrive?
[20:48] <SiDi> hm
[20:48] <SiDi> you've tried more things than i know :/
[20:49] <SiDi> did you manually remove all the drivers except the generic ones ?
[20:49] <OFu42> ha!  i'm just trying what i find online.  i'm a complete noob.
[20:49] <SiDi> and im not sure where the data is stored in xorg 1.7, unfortunately
[20:49] <OFu42> i don't know how to remove things.  barely know how to install things
[20:49] <SiDi> sudo aptitude purge packagename
[20:50] <SiDi> type aptitude search fglrx
[20:50] <SiDi> then purge any package with a i in the name except fglrx-modaliases
[20:50] <SiDi> from the shell. And then reboot the whole PC and tell me if xorg seems to work please
[20:51] <OFu42> before i go... a few q's
[20:51] <OFu42> heehee
[20:52] <OFu42> can i run these from the livecd and have the affect the harddrive install?
[20:52] <OFu42> or, if i boot to a netroot, no gui, will they run?
[20:52] <SiDi> hm, you need to do it from your install
[20:53] <SiDi> boot and switch to shell in order to do that
[20:53] <OFu42> ok, so i end up in root, do i need to login to my account before making changes?  or make the changes as root?
[20:57] <OFu42> ok be back in a bit.
[20:57] <OFu42> btw thank you very much for the help!
[21:13] <OFu42> SiDi - you're a genius!
[21:13]  * OFu42 bows
[21:13] <OFu42> i'm not worthy.  i'm not worthy.
[21:13] <OFu42> ;o)
[21:13]  * charlie-tca nods
[21:14] <OFu42> so without getting into too much technical over the noob's head stuff, why would installing "fglrxinfo" break the GUI?
[21:15] <SiDi> OFu42: happy to see it solved your problem
[21:15] <SiDi> OFu42: please file a bug against it
[21:15] <SiDi> its drivers for the ATI cards, but it might not work so well with your card
[21:16] <SiDi> and i think its related to that bug i posted above, about session not working on second boot of a clean install
[21:17] <OFu42> that's what i'm trying to determine... it's a server and i'm trying to run it as a desktop... so far w/o upgrading the grfx card ( ATI ES1000 )
[21:18] <OFu42> ( they put a pcie x8 slot that blocks a x16 card to fit w/o modification to the card or the slot )
[21:18] <OFu42> all *that* to say, i'm not sure it is a bug... as the current "grfx" is so old and wimpy.
[21:21] <SiDi> hm
[21:21] <SiDi> maybe you should give it a try with some brand new opensource ati drivers then :)
[21:21] <SiDi> but im not responsible for you having to reinstall :p that's only if you wanna experiment
[21:23] <OFu42> is there such a thing as a software opengl 2.0 driver?
[21:23] <SiDi> err, if there is one, i wouldnt try it :p but i know you can force xorg to software render some stuff
[21:25] <OFu42> i know i'm repeating, but here's the deal.  after installing both flrgxinfo and glxinfo, Houdin ( 3D app for VFX ) launched w/ very little errors ( uses opengl for its UI )
[21:26] <OFu42> but then when i rebooted xubuntu couldn't boot.  so i find the whole thing... interesting... as it seems whatever flgrxinfo did termporarily ( lied to Houdini? ) it made Houdini launch faster and seeminly better.
[21:26] <OFu42> seemingly
[21:26] <OFu42> anyway, thanks again.
[21:32] <tapiocapudding> hey, i was looking at xubuntu as a possible OS to power a really old comp, but i can't find the requirements besides hdd space and ram
[21:32] <tapiocapudding> what sort of processor speed do i need
[21:32] <knome> tapiocapudding, ram is the biggest showkiller
[21:33] <charlie-tca> 400MHz minimum
[21:33] <charlie-tca> but, knome is right. ram works wonders
[21:33] <tapiocapudding> ok, thanks
[22:33] <OFu42> SiDi - i've been reading more up on the prob... and fglrx does not support the ES1000.... there've been enough posts / mentions about it, so i don't think it's a bug.  just not suported.
[22:34] <OFu42> SiDi - thanks again.  appreciate all the help!
[22:36] <SiDi> OFu42: oh, ok then :)
[22:37] <SiDi> OFu42: by the way, how did you install it ?
[22:37] <SiDi> via the restricted hardware drivers window, or manually ?
[22:38] <OFu42> afraid to find out.  but i typed "fglrxinfo" in a terminal prompt, and it said i needed to install it... so i did what it said.
[22:39] <OFu42> changed my mind
[22:39] <OFu42> hold on
[22:41] <OFu42> so from terminal, 'fglrxinfo' comes back w/ ".. not currently installed." install by typing, "sudo apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx"
[22:41]  * OFu42 bangs head on table
[22:41] <OFu42> at least i'm learning.  ;o)
[22:42] <OFu42> thanks again.  gotta go.
[22:53] <sml12261> HP just pissed me off!
[22:54] <sml12261> Can you guys help with what they wouldn't?
[22:54] <Carlis> Hi
[22:54] <charlie-tca> !question
[22:54] <sml12261> External Hard Drive won't boot
[22:54] <sml12261> They say it is supported but I can't get it to run
[22:55] <SiDi> Alright, what kind of drive is it ? Anything particular ? And what do you mean by cant get it to run ?
[22:55] <Carlis> How do i start Firefox without terminal ?
[22:56] <sml12261> I set everything the way I should to boot an external drive, but it acts like the drive is not there when booting. It is a USB external drive
[22:56] <Carlis>  who can help me ?
[22:56] <sml12261> Acomdata Tango enclosure with a 40GB Seagate SATA II drive inside.
[22:57] <sml12261> Carlis what are you running (distro)?
[22:57] <Carlis> Xubuntu
[22:57] <charlie-tca> Carlis: Applications -> Network -> Firefox ?
[22:57] <sml12261> thats my best guess too
[22:58] <Carlis> I do click on the firefox icon and automatic opens the terminal
[22:59] <charlie-tca> Have you changed any .desktop files?
[23:00] <charlie-tca> or any of the menu files?
[23:00] <charlie-tca> or added a launcher for it?
[23:00] <Carlis> I didnt. May be a guest changed it
[23:00] <SiDi> sml12261: if you do a sudo fdisk -l
[23:00] <SiDi> do you see it ?
[23:01] <charlie-tca> Carlis: look in ~/.local/share/applications and see if there any files.
[23:01] <sml12261> is that  L
[23:02] <sml12261> SiDi nothing with sudo fdisk -l
[23:03] <SiDi> its a L yeh, but not capitalised
[23:03] <sml12261> oops hold on
[23:03] <sml12261> no drive attached
[23:03] <SiDi> It returns that ? :/
[23:03] <charlie-tca> Carlis: if there are no files there, you will need to edit /usr/share/applications/Firefox Web Browser as root and change the line "Terminal=true"
[23:04] <charlie-tca> to "terminal=false"
[23:04] <sml12261> no my drive wasn't plugged in
[23:04] <Carlis> wait chalie-tca
[23:04] <sml12261> now I gt lots of info on the drive
[23:04] <Carlis> please
[23:04] <SiDi> sml12261: put everything on a paste site please
[23:04] <SiDi> !paste
[23:05] <sml12261> SiDi: http://paste.ubuntu.com/193809/
[23:08] <SiDi> sdb is your external drive ?
[23:08] <sml12261> yes
[23:09] <SiDi> so you wanna boot on it, or just use it from your current install ?
[23:09] <sml12261> boot it
[23:09] <sml12261> I'm on PS3 now, other machine is Windows  and I want to be able to use Xubu there
[23:10] <SiDi> ok
[23:10] <Carlis> charlie-tca there are files there ~/.local/share/applications
[23:10] <SiDi> and i suppose there is a sda1 then
[23:10] <SiDi> you'll need grub on the first disk to boot the partitions on the second one
[23:10] <charlie-tca> Is there one for firefox?
[23:10] <SiDi> or to boot from usb
[23:10] <SiDi> you should have such an option in your bios
[23:11] <sml12261> GRUB error in Windows hard drive
[23:11] <Carlis> charlie-tca no
[23:11] <sml12261> Error 21 I believe
[23:11] <charlie-tca> What about browser or web browser?
[23:11] <Carlis> firefox
[23:12] <SiDi> sml12261: go to your bios and tell it to boot from USB then please
[23:12] <charlie-tca> yes, now just open that in firefox and find the line that starts with "terminal=
[23:12] <SiDi> do you have a grub on the MBR of this disk ?
[23:12] <charlie-tca> no
[23:12] <sml12261> Tried many times but ignores the USB drive and goes to internal Drive
[23:12] <charlie-tca> open it in mousepad and find the line that starts with 'terminal=
[23:13] <sml12261> I used a guided install on the drive so I don't know where all it is but I know it put GRUB on at least the first drive
[23:13] <Carlis> where do i open it charlie tca ??
[23:14] <SiDi> sml12261: its probably because there is no boot manager installed on your external drive
[23:14] <charlie-tca> right-click and select "open with mousepad
[23:14] <SiDi> sml12261: on the last window of the install, there is an "Advanced options" button
[23:14] <charlie-tca> or are you in a terminal?
[23:14] <SiDi> click it and chose to install the boot loader in sbd
[23:14] <SiDi> then your drive will be bootable
[23:15] <SiDi> sml12261: try to find tutorials on how to install to an usb / external drive, there should be some
[23:15] <Carlis> yes I am in terminal
[23:15] <charlie-tca> Okay, just cd to ~/.local/share/applications, then type mousepad firefox
[23:16] <sml12261> Ok thanks, If I can get rid of the GRUB on my Windows drive I will try wingrub and see if that recognizes the drive, I'll also try reinstalling with that option
[23:17] <SiDi> sml12261: the problem is that im not sure grub can see usb disks yet at this stage
[23:17] <SiDi> anyway i'm sorry but i'll have to leave you, i need to go bed :)
[23:17] <SiDi> good night everyone
[23:17] <sml12261> yeah I got drive not found error before with that
[23:17] <charlie-tca> good night, SiDi
[23:17] <sml12261> Byr
[23:17] <sml12261> Bye*
[23:18] <Carlis> ok charlie tca and then ¿
[23:18] <Carlis> ?
[23:19] <charlie-tca> if there is a line "terminal= " make it "terminal=false"
[23:19] <charlie-tca> then save the file
[23:19] <Carlis> The file is empty
[23:20] <charlie-tca> then just close it and delete the file
[23:21] <Carlis> do i have to copy firefox from usr /share/application to .local/share/applicaitons ??
[23:22] <Carlis> Charlie-tca ??
[23:22] <charlie-tca> You can, and then make sure the "terminal=false" line is in it.
[23:22] <Carlis> ok, I am going to do
[23:22] <charlie-tca> anything there overrides /usr/share/applications
[23:26] <Carlis> is firefox.desktop ?
[23:27] <charlie-tca> yes
[23:27] <Carlis> ok
[23:27] <Carlis> The terminal is in false
[23:28] <charlie-tca> and you copied it to .local/share/applications , right?
[23:28] <Carlis> right
[23:28] <charlie-tca> That should do it, then.
[23:29] <charlie-tca> You do have to log out/log in for the change to take
[23:29] <Carlis> but the value was already in false
[23:30] <charlie-tca> It's okay, it should work now
[23:31] <Carlis> I am goin to log out and log in again ok ?
[23:31] <charlie-tca> okay
[23:31] <Carlis> be right back
[23:36] <Carlis> charlie-tca ??
[23:36] <charlie-tca> yeah
[23:36] <Carlis> It didnt work
[23:37] <charlie-tca> are you clicking the menu icon or the panel icon?
[23:37] <Carlis> I am clicking it on the panel icon
[23:37] <charlie-tca> right click it, click properties
[23:38] <Carlis> ok
[23:38] <charlie-tca> uncheck "Run in terminal"
[23:38] <Carlis> ok
[23:39] <charlie-tca> click okay
[23:39] <Carlis> I have to leave now
[23:39] <charlie-tca> okay
[23:39] <charlie-tca> good luck
[23:39] <Carlis> I tell u if did it work ok ?
[23:39] <charlie-tca> Great
[23:40] <Carlis> Thank u for ur help
[23:40] <Carlis> bye
[23:40] <charlie-tca> You are welcome