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ryanakcaRiddell: meta-kde still hasn't built, should I wait before updating the website?00:16
Riddellryanakca: I don't think it's needed, it's not in main?00:17
ryanakcaNot sure?00:18
ryanakcaRiddell: Anyways, updated00:22
rickspencer3Riddell: I thought you were on holiday00:22
rickspencer3or is this Riddell the bot working?00:22
rickspencer3:)00:22
Riddellrickspencer3: I am but turns out this narrow boat has accational amounts of internet00:22
rickspencer3lol00:22
rickspencer3well great00:23
rickspencer3now you never have to stop working00:23
rickspencer3Tonio_: hi00:23
Riddelltrouble is I have to share the single bed sized cabin with a hairy sladen00:23
rickspencer3hehe00:24
DaskreeCH:-D00:29
coreymon77hey guys, there is a typo in the #kubuntu topic, it says "don't install kde 4.3 bet", shouldnt it say "yet"?01:19
apacheloggerRiddell: either the password changed or something else is preventing me from login01:44
apacheloggerconfirmed by JontheEchidna01:44
vorian:o01:44
_Groo_hi apachelogger, vorian01:46
_Groo_vorian: could you please take a look at kdeutils in backports? kdeutils is broken01:47
voriansure, what's broken?01:48
_Groo_vorian: it asks for kde-printer--applet which was renamed to printer-applet01:48
vorianhrm01:48
_Groo_kdeutils backport for beta 201:48
vorianok, should be easy enough01:48
voriangive me a few minutes01:48
_Groo_  kdeutils: Depends: kde-printer-applet (>= 4:4.2.90-0ubuntu1~jaunty1~ppa1) but it is not going to be installed01:48
_Groo_vorian: yeah, just needs to fix control01:49
_Groo_vorian: also, what happened to kdebindings? it was in experimental but was deleted?01:49
vorianno idea...01:50
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_Groo_who did the beta2 packages?01:50
voriani did that one01:50
_Groo_vorian: why it vanished then?01:50
voriani already answered that :P01:51
_Groo_vorian: eheh ok01:51
shtylmanRiddell: my first ideas: http://shtylman.com/stuff/kubuntu_installer/ ... I send them over to the #oxygen people with the hope that they will latch on and give me feedback and basically make it prettier...01:52
shtylmanit needs lots of work..but it gets across some of the ideas I would like to try01:54
_Groo_hi/2 all03:03
_Groo_vorian: are you there?03:04
vorianyus03:05
vorianbut are you?03:05
vorianguess not03:07
JontheEchidnaheh03:07
_Groo_vorian: yep i am :D03:07
_Groo_vorian: did you see? your kdeutils didnt compile in ppa03:07
vorian_Groo_: i see everything    m(0.0)m03:08
* _Groo_ is beginning to suspect he's the only one who tests and reports bugs ;)03:09
* vorian is wondering if _Groo_ checks the buildfarm enough03:10
* _Groo_ never checks the buildfarm03:11
* _Groo_ always too busy poking kubuntu devs03:11
_Groo_anyone knows if i can configure kwin 3d to zoom using mouse like compiz?03:13
shtylmanso...should I install alpha1? or the latest cd image?03:21
vorianalpha 2 was just released shtylman03:21
vorianso, latest :P03:22
shtylmanwell damn...when did this happen :)03:22
vorian  This entry was posted on Friday, June 12th, 2009 at 1:03 am and is filed under Uncategorized. You can follow any responses to this entry through the RSS 2.0 feed. Responses are currently closed, but you can trackback from your own site.03:22
vorianaccording to ubuntu release blog03:23
shtylmandoes that mean kubuntu alpha2 is out as well?03:23
vorianhttp://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/karmic/alpha-2/03:23
vorianyus!03:23
shtylmanwell hot damn03:23
=== vorian changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Meeting scheduling http://www.doodle.com/gnrcikfvukhxce2s | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | Beta 2 is OUT!
shtylmanooo03:24
=== vorian changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Meeting scheduling http://www.doodle.com/gnrcikfvukhxce2s | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | Alpha 2 is OUT!
shtylmanalpha ... you mean03:24
shtylman:)03:24
* vorian timewarps03:24
* vorian should sleep a few hours03:25
_Groo_vorian: thanks for your work vorian :)03:25
vorianmeh, not bashing me anymore?  :P03:25
vorian_Groo_: no problem, my pleasure03:26
* _Groo_ doesnt bash, he educates :D03:28
_Groo_strange, the rebuild is publishd but im still getting the same error for kdeutils03:28
_Groo_hmmm still showing ppa1...03:29
* JontheEchidna is going to give webkitkde from svn a spin03:50
JontheEchidnalooks like it is still sufficiently alpha since it doesn't support logging in to websites03:58
JontheEchidnaotherwise it looks much better than it did03:58
JontheEchidnaI guess I'm also seeing kde bug 19203603:59
ubottuKDE bug 192036 in WebKit KPart "nspluginviewer crashes when using webkit kpart" [Crash,Unconfirmed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19203603:59
JontheEchidnanite guys04:07
MamarokI have reports in #kubuntu of kdm not starting after upgrade to 4.2.90, must be the third one now08:35
Tm_Tcan they provide any error log?08:36
Tm_T"doesn't work" is hard to find out and fix (:08:36
MamarokTm_T: well, it doesn't start at all  is all I know for now, most were able to start it from tty108:37
Tm_Thmm08:41
Tm_TI wonder if there's some logs available when it fails08:41
MamarokTm_T: where would that be?08:43
Mamaroksome boot log I guess, let's see08:44
Nightrose~/.xsessionerrors08:44
Nightrosemight have something08:44
Tm_TNightrose: not when you don't get kdm at all running, as there's no X session going on until you log in (kind of)08:45
DaskreeCHNightrose: Before login ?08:45
Nightroseah no kdm at all...08:45
Nightroseok08:45
Nightrosenvm then08:45
* Tm_T huggles Nightrose 08:45
Nightrose;-)08:45
DaskreeCHin var log X.0.log THen?08:45
NightroseMamarok: let them check if kde-base is installed - the upgrade to 4.2.90 wanted to remove it here plus a few more things08:46
MamarokNightrose: already did that...08:46
Nightrosehmmm ok08:46
Mamarokasking again though, one never knows...08:47
Tonio_Nightrose: ping ?10:17
NightroseTonio_: pong10:17
Tonio_Nightrose: I can't find how to share my collection with amarok2.... any idea ?10:18
shadeslayere-jat: hey10:18
e-jat:010:18
NightroseTonio_: share as in daap?10:18
apacheloggerui->widget->~QWidget();10:18
shadeslayere-jat: ??10:18
apacheloggernasty aint it? :P10:18
Tonio_daap ?10:19
Tonio_Nightrose: what's this ?10:19
Nightrosethe apple thingy to share music in a local network10:19
Nightrosebut anyway - not working iirc10:19
Nightroseyou want to look into ampache10:19
Nightroseit is integrated as a sservice in amarok 210:20
apacheloggerdaap is the free implemenation really10:20
apacheloggerwhich works in about every media palyer except amarok2 :P10:20
Tonio_Nightrose: hum, oki so it won't work with 2.1 ? that's bad :)10:20
Tonio_Nightrose: whare is the config dialog for this ? I may be interested in testing at least :)10:20
Nightroseapachelogger: daap is the propriatery one10:20
Tonio_Nightrose: I couldn't find out where it was10:20
NightroseTonio_: sec10:20
apacheloggerwell, then you couldn't implement daap anyway, because there aint is not spec available, is there? :P10:21
Tonio_Nightrose: great10:21
NightroseTonio_: settings -> internet service -> ampache10:26
Nightrosethen you can connect to a ampache server and have music streamed to your amarok10:26
Nightroseit will show up in the internet tab on the left10:27
NightroseTonio_: also see ampache.org10:27
Tonio_Nightrose: that's the client side10:30
Nightroseyes10:30
Tonio_Nightrose: I want my amarok to share my collection, not access to other shares :)10:30
Nightrosethat's not possible atm10:30
Tonio_Nightrose: simply, my amarok can access my itunes, but I'd like the opposite :)10:30
Tonio_Nightrose: amarok 1.4 made it possible to share within zeroconf, I expect amarok2 to do the same10:31
Tonio_Nightrose: oki10:31
Tonio_Nightrose: I hope this is planned for the future...10:31
Nightrosestecchino has stuff planned but no-one knows if he'll ever get around to it10:31
Nightroseso kick him ;-)10:31
Tonio_Nightrose: hehe :)10:32
Tonio_Nightrose: one other feature missing from amarok 1.4 is muzicbrains support...10:32
Nightrosewill be replaced with last.fm10:32
Tonio_Nightrose: it's been than amarok devs had "a better option" to propose... but still on the planning I suspect...10:32
Nightrosehopefully soon10:32
Nightroseyea10:32
Tonio_Nightrose: use last.fm to tag music within ile print ? is that possible ?10:33
Nightrosethey have a fingerprinting algorithm yes10:33
Nightrosewe'll use that10:33
Tonio_Nightrose: oki ;)10:33
Tonio_great to know you to have fresh news hehe :)10:34
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apacheloggerNightrose: http://aplg.kollide.net/screencasts/project-neon-switcher2.ogv14:54
apacheloggerI still find that approach kinda bastardish14:55
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flacostehow can I sync my KDE font choices to gtk+ app?15:17
flacostethat used to work before15:17
Tonio_hey15:32
Tonio_does Qt open kde dialogs for you ? arora for test as an example....15:32
Tonio_it suddenly stoped working on my side...15:32
shtylman:(15:33
[GuS]tsimpson: here i am... but the package will be uploaded again in PPAs?15:36
tsimpsonI don't know, it was deleted for a reason I guess15:37
apacheloggeranyone feeling like triaging a really really awful bug report?15:38
[GuS]ok thanks.. i will install that package and see if fix the symlink problem15:38
tsimpsonthough, I can't find that reason15:38
shtylmananyone know how I can install the air plasma theme in karmic?15:38
apacheloggershtylman: checkout playground/base/plasma15:40
shtylmanapachelogger: we havn't packaged it yet? will we eventually?15:40
apacheloggerI actually would have made it default for jaunty already15:40
apacheloggershtylman: maybe nuno decides to use it as default for 4.315:41
shtylmangotcha15:41
apacheloggerso I would wait for 4.3.0 and if air is not in it we can still package it :)15:41
shtylmancool15:46
bdgrauecan i find the air theme somewhere in the 4.3b2 packages?15:47
bdgraueah, just been answered a few minutes ago15:47
[GuS]guys.. when installed python-kde4 from ppa (kde 4.3 beta2) this file is a symlink to nothing: usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/PyQt4/uic/widget-plugins/kde4.py15:48
[GuS]and i have problems with it, when using apps like PyQt, or pyuic itself15:48
flacosteok, i was missing gtk-qt-enging15:48
apacheloggervorian: if you want to become core-dev, then establish some policy that prevents such regressions ^15:49
[GuS]this when i use pyuic http://pastebin.com/m69df8e2415:50
[GuS]and the error is cause that, that symlink points to nothing15:50
[GuS]and this cames since the upgrade to python-kde4 4:4.2.9015:51
apacheloggerreport a bug15:51
vorianhe's using the ppa15:52
[GuS]exactly15:52
[GuS]i am using the ppa, corresponding to kde4.3 beta 215:52
vorianbinding needs reworked or updated15:52
vorianJR was able to get the pykde stuff builidng15:53
apacheloggervorian: the ppa is with 4.3.0 supposed to go backports, isn't it?15:53
vorianyes15:53
apacheloggerall borked bindings again?15:53
vorianthere really shoulnt be any python bindings available - I disabled them, so it's odd that we are seeing that error15:54
voriani can look at that later tonight - i have to go to $WORK shortly15:54
[GuS]and of course all the pykde apps in kubuntu stops to work...15:54
apacheloggervorian: prolly because you didn't commen out the stuff in .links15:55
apacheloggerso the symlinks are still there but the target files not15:55
vorianoi15:55
* vorian fixors15:55
vorianfixing meaning disabling all together15:56
vorian:P15:56
apacheloggerbreak it even further that is15:56
apacheloggermuahahaha15:56
vorianhonestly, we shouldn't have published that package15:56
vorianseeing as it's the first version to even compile15:57
apacheloggerwell15:57
apacheloggerupstream shouldnt have15:57
apacheloggerreally, we should be much more anal about the buildability of kdebindings15:57
Nightrosebut oh well.16:11
Nightroseeh16:11
Nightrosewrong window16:11
jussi01*wave*16:12
jussi01Nightrose: nice.... :P16:12
Nightrosehey jussi01  ;-)16:12
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jussi01Hrm, can I get somefeed back on something? Can we include pastebinit on the cd by default so that it makes gettting info from people with issues a bit easier? or is that not avalid reason...?16:35
Mamarok+1 from me, that really would be nice16:35
flacosteGPG isn't working for me in Kmail 4.2.90, the 'Certificate manager' and 'GnuPG Log Viewer' menu items are greyed out, could it be related? Am I missing a package?16:37
flacostekleopatra isn't installed16:40
flacosteis it required for GnuPG?16:40
flacostehmm, interesting gnupg2 wasn't installed16:43
flacostebut gpg-agent was available16:43
Mamarokflacoste: I guess so, yes16:43
Mamarokand gpg-agent doesn't depend on a particular version16:44
flacostethat was from a new Jaunty install and then upgrading to kde 4.2.9016:44
flacosteso i guess a package is missing a dependency somewhere16:44
Mamarokgpg doesn't depend on a particular KDE version :)16:45
flacosteso you expect users to manually install gnupg2 to get GPG working in Kmail?16:46
flacostekind of make crypto hard to get16:46
flacostekmail GnuPG support requires gpgconf, and is provided by gnupg216:46
flacosteso there should have been a Recommends on that package at least16:47
flacostethat's how i find the missing piece: i clicked 'Configure...' on the OpenPG backend16:47
flacosteand then among the cryptic error messages, i saw; run gpgconf --list-components16:47
flacostetried that and then I learn that gnupg2 providing that command wasn't installed16:48
flacostethat's called jumping through hoopses :-)16:48
flacostestill doesn't work :-(16:50
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sabdfl1by laager mentality, i mean the feeling created when you have a smaller group that is part of a complex and challenging larger ecosystem17:22
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neversfeldeI like the firefox addon that makes firefox use the KDE notifications17:42
yuriyneversfelde: there is such a thing? but what notifications does firefox have?17:46
neversfeldewell, I discovered the download message so far17:46
neversfeldehttp://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/PlasmaNotify+Firefox+addon?content=10671917:46
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txwikinger_workwhy are some of my plasmoid icons disappear sometimes?17:54
Quintasanhrm, why we don't have Air in 4.3?18:42
apacheloggerread backlog :P18:43
Quintasanapachelogger: it was discussed long ago? :318:44
apacheloggerfew hours ago :P18:44
neversfeldeair is default for KDE 4.3, isn't it?18:45
neversfeldeor will be18:45
Quintasanapachelogger: kkthx18:47
* Quintasan is wondering when the meeting will be19:02
Quintasanhmm, anyone knows how I can check availvable resolutions of bootsplash?19:03
rgreeningJontheEchidna, shtylman: do you know of a KDE way to get the hal UDI for drives?19:05
yuriyI would imaging it would involve Solid19:06
rgreeningyuriy: any ideas?19:07
apacheloggereh19:08
apacheloggerrgreening: solid::device:udi() IIRC19:08
apacheloggerread that the other day19:08
apacheloggerat least I think so :D19:08
rgreeningcool... how about using that from PyKDE19:09
rgreening:)19:09
apacheloggerhttp://api.kde.org/4.x-api/kdelibs-apidocs/solid/html/classSolid_1_1Device.html#20c05ac815ee503c36878e2bc066e36d19:09
apacheloggerrgreening: in ruby it would be device = Solid::Device.new; device.udi; I suppose :P19:10
apacheloggerrgreening: also read the warning in the class documentation19:10
rgreeningok19:11
rgreeningtyt19:11
rgreeningty19:11
apacheloggerJontheEchidna, ScottK: made quassel strip again .. using a -dbg package with cdbs' automatic stripping19:15
apacheloggeralso applied LZMA made the -dbg go down from 38 MiB to 11 MiB19:16
apacheloggerall fancy size optimation19:16
nixternalok, KDE spot at Canonical: Reqs include - Akonadi hacker, proven UI track record in KDE, KDE svn commit access19:26
nixternalI thought Akonadi hackers worked on it because a) they don't do UI work, and b) they are employed by Kolab? i think19:27
nixternalit is kind of hard to have a proven UI record in KDE as everyone has contributed to the UI19:27
nixternalTom Albers (toma) would actually fit this job I think quite well19:28
Nightrosenixternal: he would but i doubt he's up for it19:29
nixternalright19:29
Nightrosewhat about you nixternal?19:29
nixternalI don't hack on Akonadi19:29
Nightrosewell there aren't that many akonadi hackers waiting to get hired by canonical ;-)19:29
Nightrosethey'll have to make compromises19:30
nixternals/don't/haven't/19:30
nixternalthat's probably a better term to use because you never know what's in the future19:30
Nightrosejep19:30
nixternalNightrose: true, as the current set of akonadi hackers are already employed to, well hack on akonadi :)19:30
Nightroseyea19:31
nixternalI just have the KDE svn access :p19:31
Nightrosesp do I :D19:31
Nightrose*so19:31
* Nightrose loves svn rm 19:31
Nightrose;-)19:31
nixternalall the upstream work I have done in the past was fixing what was already there...though I do have experience with KDE UI obviously...just don't know if there is much out there that I can call "mine"19:31
Nightroseargh damn - need to get ready for weekend with $bf19:31
nixternalbackend work on khc and stuff like that19:32
e-jatnixternal: cool19:32
jussi01Sput: whats going on? o.O19:47
imbrandonnixternal: try, the worst thing they can say is "no" or "we're looking for someone that has more X or Y"19:53
imbrandon:)19:53
jjessenixternal: i think you should get the job20:02
jjesse+1 for me20:02
jjessei think Riddell would +1 you as well20:03
jjessewouldn't that be funny if tha was how hiring was done, sitting around an irc and giving either a +1 or -1 to hire someone20:03
e-jatjjesse: :)20:11
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neversfeldeScottK: ping21:17
* Quintasan found Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri w/ Loki installer and is unable to install it >_<21:26
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nixternal_SMILE FOR A SCREENSHOT!!!22:20
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ScottKnixternal: Your odds of getting job don't get worse if you apply.22:44
ScottKneversfelde: Pong22:44
neversfeldeScottK: Hi22:44
neversfeldeif you have some time, would you have a look at bug 384615 ?22:45
ubottuLaunchpad bug 384615 in jaunty-backports "Please backport ksshaskpass (0.5.1-1) from karmic to jaunty" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/38461522:45
ScottKSure thing.22:45
neversfeldethanks :)22:45
ScottKneversfelde: Please mark in the bug the exact revision you tested.22:46
ScottKIf it's from the PPA, please say what changes from what's in the archive (none is a great answer).22:47
neversfeldeoh sure, sorry22:49
Quintasanhmm, can anyone tell me why I can't choose a truetype font in Konsole?22:57

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