[00:16] <ryanakca> Riddell: meta-kde still hasn't built, should I wait before updating the website?
[00:17] <Riddell> ryanakca: I don't think it's needed, it's not in main?
[00:18] <ryanakca> Not sure?
[00:22] <ryanakca> Riddell: Anyways, updated
[00:22] <rickspencer3> Riddell: I thought you were on holiday
[00:22] <rickspencer3> or is this Riddell the bot working?
[00:22] <rickspencer3> :)
[00:22] <Riddell> rickspencer3: I am but turns out this narrow boat has accational amounts of internet
[00:22] <rickspencer3> lol
[00:23] <rickspencer3> well great
[00:23] <rickspencer3> now you never have to stop working
[00:23] <rickspencer3> Tonio_: hi
[00:23] <Riddell> trouble is I have to share the single bed sized cabin with a hairy sladen
[00:24] <rickspencer3> hehe
[00:29] <DaskreeCH> :-D
[01:19] <coreymon77> hey guys, there is a typo in the #kubuntu topic, it says "don't install kde 4.3 bet", shouldnt it say "yet"?
[01:44] <apachelogger> Riddell: either the password changed or something else is preventing me from login
[01:44] <apachelogger> confirmed by JontheEchidna
[01:44] <vorian> :o
[01:46] <_Groo_> hi apachelogger, vorian
[01:47] <_Groo_> vorian: could you please take a look at kdeutils in backports? kdeutils is broken
[01:48] <vorian> sure, what's broken?
[01:48] <_Groo_> vorian: it asks for kde-printer--applet which was renamed to printer-applet
[01:48] <vorian> hrm
[01:48] <_Groo_> kdeutils backport for beta 2
[01:48] <vorian> ok, should be easy enough
[01:48] <vorian> give me a few minutes
[01:48] <_Groo_>   kdeutils: Depends: kde-printer-applet (>= 4:4.2.90-0ubuntu1~jaunty1~ppa1) but it is not going to be installed
[01:49] <_Groo_> vorian: yeah, just needs to fix control
[01:49] <_Groo_> vorian: also, what happened to kdebindings? it was in experimental but was deleted?
[01:50] <vorian> no idea...
[01:50] <_Groo_> who did the beta2 packages?
[01:50] <vorian> i did that one
[01:50] <_Groo_> vorian: why it vanished then?
[01:51] <vorian> i already answered that :P
[01:51] <_Groo_> vorian: eheh ok
[01:52] <shtylman> Riddell: my first ideas: http://shtylman.com/stuff/kubuntu_installer/ ... I send them over to the #oxygen people with the hope that they will latch on and give me feedback and basically make it prettier...
[01:54] <shtylman> it needs lots of work..but it gets across some of the ideas I would like to try
[03:03] <_Groo_> hi/2 all
[03:04] <_Groo_> vorian: are you there?
[03:05] <vorian> yus
[03:05] <vorian> but are you?
[03:07] <vorian> guess not
[03:07] <JontheEchidna> heh
[03:07] <_Groo_> vorian: yep i am :D
[03:07] <_Groo_> vorian: did you see? your kdeutils didnt compile in ppa
[03:08] <vorian> _Groo_: i see everything    m(0.0)m
[03:09]  * _Groo_ is beginning to suspect he's the only one who tests and reports bugs ;)
[03:10]  * vorian is wondering if _Groo_ checks the buildfarm enough
[03:11]  * _Groo_ never checks the buildfarm
[03:11]  * _Groo_ always too busy poking kubuntu devs
[03:13] <_Groo_> anyone knows if i can configure kwin 3d to zoom using mouse like compiz?
[03:21] <shtylman> so...should I install alpha1? or the latest cd image?
[03:21] <vorian> alpha 2 was just released shtylman
[03:22] <vorian> so, latest :P
[03:22] <shtylman> well damn...when did this happen :)
[03:22] <vorian>   This entry was posted on Friday, June 12th, 2009 at 1:03 am and is filed under Uncategorized. You can follow any responses to this entry through the RSS 2.0 feed. Responses are currently closed, but you can trackback from your own site.
[03:23] <vorian> according to ubuntu release blog
[03:23] <shtylman> does that mean kubuntu alpha2 is out as well?
[03:23] <vorian> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/karmic/alpha-2/
[03:23] <vorian> yus!
[03:23] <shtylman> well hot damn
[03:24] <shtylman> ooo
[03:24] <shtylman> alpha ... you mean
[03:24] <shtylman> :)
[03:24]  * vorian timewarps
[03:25]  * vorian should sleep a few hours
[03:25] <_Groo_> vorian: thanks for your work vorian :)
[03:25] <vorian> meh, not bashing me anymore?  :P
[03:26] <vorian> _Groo_: no problem, my pleasure
[03:28]  * _Groo_ doesnt bash, he educates :D
[03:28] <_Groo_> strange, the rebuild is publishd but im still getting the same error for kdeutils
[03:29] <_Groo_> hmmm still showing ppa1...
[03:50]  * JontheEchidna is going to give webkitkde from svn a spin
[03:58] <JontheEchidna> looks like it is still sufficiently alpha since it doesn't support logging in to websites
[03:58] <JontheEchidna> otherwise it looks much better than it did
[03:59] <JontheEchidna> I guess I'm also seeing kde bug 192036
[04:07] <JontheEchidna> nite guys
[08:35] <Mamarok> I have reports in #kubuntu of kdm not starting after upgrade to 4.2.90, must be the third one now
[08:36] <Tm_T> can they provide any error log?
[08:36] <Tm_T> "doesn't work" is hard to find out and fix (:
[08:37] <Mamarok> Tm_T: well, it doesn't start at all  is all I know for now, most were able to start it from tty1
[08:41] <Tm_T> hmm
[08:41] <Tm_T> I wonder if there's some logs available when it fails
[08:43] <Mamarok> Tm_T: where would that be?
[08:44] <Mamarok> some boot log I guess, let's see
[08:44] <Nightrose> ~/.xsessionerrors
[08:44] <Nightrose> might have something
[08:45] <Tm_T> Nightrose: not when you don't get kdm at all running, as there's no X session going on until you log in (kind of)
[08:45] <DaskreeCH> Nightrose: Before login ?
[08:45] <Nightrose> ah no kdm at all...
[08:45] <Nightrose> ok
[08:45] <Nightrose> nvm then
[08:45]  * Tm_T huggles Nightrose 
[08:45] <Nightrose> ;-)
[08:45] <DaskreeCH> in var log X.0.log THen?
[08:46] <Nightrose> Mamarok: let them check if kde-base is installed - the upgrade to 4.2.90 wanted to remove it here plus a few more things
[08:46] <Mamarok> Nightrose: already did that...
[08:46] <Nightrose> hmmm ok
[08:47] <Mamarok> asking again though, one never knows...
[10:17] <Tonio_> Nightrose: ping ?
[10:17] <Nightrose> Tonio_: pong
[10:18] <Tonio_> Nightrose: I can't find how to share my collection with amarok2.... any idea ?
[10:18] <shadeslayer> e-jat: hey
[10:18] <e-jat> :0
[10:18] <Nightrose> Tonio_: share as in daap?
[10:18] <apachelogger> ui->widget->~QWidget();
[10:18] <shadeslayer> e-jat: ??
[10:18] <apachelogger> nasty aint it? :P
[10:19] <Tonio_> daap ?
[10:19] <Tonio_> Nightrose: what's this ?
[10:19] <Nightrose> the apple thingy to share music in a local network
[10:19] <Nightrose> but anyway - not working iirc
[10:19] <Nightrose> you want to look into ampache
[10:20] <Nightrose> it is integrated as a sservice in amarok 2
[10:20] <apachelogger> daap is the free implemenation really
[10:20] <apachelogger> which works in about every media palyer except amarok2 :P
[10:20] <Tonio_> Nightrose: hum, oki so it won't work with 2.1 ? that's bad :)
[10:20] <Tonio_> Nightrose: whare is the config dialog for this ? I may be interested in testing at least :)
[10:20] <Nightrose> apachelogger: daap is the propriatery one
[10:20] <Tonio_> Nightrose: I couldn't find out where it was
[10:20] <Nightrose> Tonio_: sec
[10:21] <apachelogger> well, then you couldn't implement daap anyway, because there aint is not spec available, is there? :P
[10:21] <Tonio_> Nightrose: great
[10:26] <Nightrose> Tonio_: settings -> internet service -> ampache
[10:26] <Nightrose> then you can connect to a ampache server and have music streamed to your amarok
[10:27] <Nightrose> it will show up in the internet tab on the left
[10:27] <Nightrose> Tonio_: also see ampache.org
[10:30] <Tonio_> Nightrose: that's the client side
[10:30] <Nightrose> yes
[10:30] <Tonio_> Nightrose: I want my amarok to share my collection, not access to other shares :)
[10:30] <Nightrose> that's not possible atm
[10:30] <Tonio_> Nightrose: simply, my amarok can access my itunes, but I'd like the opposite :)
[10:31] <Tonio_> Nightrose: amarok 1.4 made it possible to share within zeroconf, I expect amarok2 to do the same
[10:31] <Tonio_> Nightrose: oki
[10:31] <Tonio_> Nightrose: I hope this is planned for the future...
[10:31] <Nightrose> stecchino has stuff planned but no-one knows if he'll ever get around to it
[10:31] <Nightrose> so kick him ;-)
[10:32] <Tonio_> Nightrose: hehe :)
[10:32] <Tonio_> Nightrose: one other feature missing from amarok 1.4 is muzicbrains support...
[10:32] <Nightrose> will be replaced with last.fm
[10:32] <Tonio_> Nightrose: it's been than amarok devs had "a better option" to propose... but still on the planning I suspect...
[10:32] <Nightrose> hopefully soon
[10:32] <Nightrose> yea
[10:33] <Tonio_> Nightrose: use last.fm to tag music within ile print ? is that possible ?
[10:33] <Nightrose> they have a fingerprinting algorithm yes
[10:33] <Nightrose> we'll use that
[10:33] <Tonio_> Nightrose: oki ;)
[10:34] <Tonio_> great to know you to have fresh news hehe :)
[14:54] <apachelogger> Nightrose: http://aplg.kollide.net/screencasts/project-neon-switcher2.ogv
[14:55] <apachelogger> I still find that approach kinda bastardish
[15:17] <flacoste> how can I sync my KDE font choices to gtk+ app?
[15:17] <flacoste> that used to work before
[15:32] <Tonio_> hey
[15:32] <Tonio_> does Qt open kde dialogs for you ? arora for test as an example....
[15:32] <Tonio_> it suddenly stoped working on my side...
[15:33] <shtylman> :(
[15:36] <[GuS]> tsimpson: here i am... but the package will be uploaded again in PPAs?
[15:37] <tsimpson> I don't know, it was deleted for a reason I guess
[15:38] <apachelogger> anyone feeling like triaging a really really awful bug report?
[15:38] <[GuS]> ok thanks.. i will install that package and see if fix the symlink problem
[15:38] <tsimpson> though, I can't find that reason
[15:38] <shtylman> anyone know how I can install the air plasma theme in karmic?
[15:40] <apachelogger> shtylman: checkout playground/base/plasma
[15:40] <shtylman> apachelogger: we havn't packaged it yet? will we eventually?
[15:40] <apachelogger> I actually would have made it default for jaunty already
[15:41] <apachelogger> shtylman: maybe nuno decides to use it as default for 4.3
[15:41] <shtylman> gotcha
[15:41] <apachelogger> so I would wait for 4.3.0 and if air is not in it we can still package it :)
[15:46] <shtylman> cool
[15:47] <bdgraue> can i find the air theme somewhere in the 4.3b2 packages?
[15:47] <bdgraue> ah, just been answered a few minutes ago
[15:48] <[GuS]> guys.. when installed python-kde4 from ppa (kde 4.3 beta2) this file is a symlink to nothing: usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/PyQt4/uic/widget-plugins/kde4.py
[15:48] <[GuS]> and i have problems with it, when using apps like PyQt, or pyuic itself
[15:48] <flacoste> ok, i was missing gtk-qt-enging
[15:49] <apachelogger> vorian: if you want to become core-dev, then establish some policy that prevents such regressions ^
[15:50] <[GuS]> this when i use pyuic http://pastebin.com/m69df8e24
[15:50] <[GuS]> and the error is cause that, that symlink points to nothing
[15:51] <[GuS]> and this cames since the upgrade to python-kde4 4:4.2.90
[15:51] <apachelogger> report a bug
[15:52] <vorian> he's using the ppa
[15:52] <[GuS]> exactly
[15:52] <[GuS]> i am using the ppa, corresponding to kde4.3 beta 2
[15:52] <vorian> binding needs reworked or updated
[15:53] <vorian> JR was able to get the pykde stuff builidng
[15:53] <apachelogger> vorian: the ppa is with 4.3.0 supposed to go backports, isn't it?
[15:53] <vorian> yes
[15:53] <apachelogger> all borked bindings again?
[15:54] <vorian> there really shoulnt be any python bindings available - I disabled them, so it's odd that we are seeing that error
[15:54] <vorian> i can look at that later tonight - i have to go to $WORK shortly
[15:54] <[GuS]> and of course all the pykde apps in kubuntu stops to work...
[15:55] <apachelogger> vorian: prolly because you didn't commen out the stuff in .links
[15:55] <apachelogger> so the symlinks are still there but the target files not
[15:55] <vorian> oi
[15:55]  * vorian fixors
[15:56] <vorian> fixing meaning disabling all together
[15:56] <vorian> :P
[15:56] <apachelogger> break it even further that is
[15:56] <apachelogger> muahahaha
[15:56] <vorian> honestly, we shouldn't have published that package
[15:57] <vorian> seeing as it's the first version to even compile
[15:57] <apachelogger> well
[15:57] <apachelogger> upstream shouldnt have
[15:57] <apachelogger> really, we should be much more anal about the buildability of kdebindings
[16:11] <Nightrose> but oh well.
[16:11] <Nightrose> eh
[16:11] <Nightrose> wrong window
[16:12] <jussi01> *wave*
[16:12] <jussi01> Nightrose: nice.... :P
[16:12] <Nightrose> hey jussi01  ;-)
[16:35] <jussi01> Hrm, can I get somefeed back on something? Can we include pastebinit on the cd by default so that it makes gettting info from people with issues a bit easier? or is that not avalid reason...?
[16:35] <Mamarok> +1 from me, that really would be nice
[16:37] <flacoste> GPG isn't working for me in Kmail 4.2.90, the 'Certificate manager' and 'GnuPG Log Viewer' menu items are greyed out, could it be related? Am I missing a package?
[16:40] <flacoste> kleopatra isn't installed
[16:40] <flacoste> is it required for GnuPG?
[16:43] <flacoste> hmm, interesting gnupg2 wasn't installed
[16:43] <flacoste> but gpg-agent was available
[16:43] <Mamarok> flacoste: I guess so, yes
[16:44] <Mamarok> and gpg-agent doesn't depend on a particular version
[16:44] <flacoste> that was from a new Jaunty install and then upgrading to kde 4.2.90
[16:44] <flacoste> so i guess a package is missing a dependency somewhere
[16:45] <Mamarok> gpg doesn't depend on a particular KDE version :)
[16:46] <flacoste> so you expect users to manually install gnupg2 to get GPG working in Kmail?
[16:46] <flacoste> kind of make crypto hard to get
[16:46] <flacoste> kmail GnuPG support requires gpgconf, and is provided by gnupg2
[16:47] <flacoste> so there should have been a Recommends on that package at least
[16:47] <flacoste> that's how i find the missing piece: i clicked 'Configure...' on the OpenPG backend
[16:47] <flacoste> and then among the cryptic error messages, i saw; run gpgconf --list-components
[16:48] <flacoste> tried that and then I learn that gnupg2 providing that command wasn't installed
[16:48] <flacoste> that's called jumping through hoopses :-)
[16:50] <flacoste> still doesn't work :-(
[17:22] <sabdfl1> by laager mentality, i mean the feeling created when you have a smaller group that is part of a complex and challenging larger ecosystem
[17:42] <neversfelde> I like the firefox addon that makes firefox use the KDE notifications
[17:46] <yuriy> neversfelde: there is such a thing? but what notifications does firefox have?
[17:46] <neversfelde> well, I discovered the download message so far
[17:46] <neversfelde> http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/PlasmaNotify+Firefox+addon?content=106719
[17:54] <txwikinger_work> why are some of my plasmoid icons disappear sometimes?
[18:42] <Quintasan> hrm, why we don't have Air in 4.3?
[18:43] <apachelogger> read backlog :P
[18:44] <Quintasan> apachelogger: it was discussed long ago? :3
[18:44] <apachelogger> few hours ago :P
[18:45] <neversfelde> air is default for KDE 4.3, isn't it?
[18:45] <neversfelde> or will be
[18:47] <Quintasan> apachelogger: kkthx
[19:02]  * Quintasan is wondering when the meeting will be
[19:03] <Quintasan> hmm, anyone knows how I can check availvable resolutions of bootsplash?
[19:05] <rgreening> JontheEchidna, shtylman: do you know of a KDE way to get the hal UDI for drives?
[19:06] <yuriy> I would imaging it would involve Solid
[19:07] <rgreening> yuriy: any ideas?
[19:08] <apachelogger> eh
[19:08] <apachelogger> rgreening: solid::device:udi() IIRC
[19:08] <apachelogger> read that the other day
[19:08] <apachelogger> at least I think so :D
[19:09] <rgreening> cool... how about using that from PyKDE
[19:09] <rgreening> :)
[19:09] <apachelogger> http://api.kde.org/4.x-api/kdelibs-apidocs/solid/html/classSolid_1_1Device.html#20c05ac815ee503c36878e2bc066e36d
[19:10] <apachelogger> rgreening: in ruby it would be device = Solid::Device.new; device.udi; I suppose :P
[19:10] <apachelogger> rgreening: also read the warning in the class documentation
[19:11] <rgreening> ok
[19:11] <rgreening> tyt
[19:11] <rgreening> ty
[19:15] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna, ScottK: made quassel strip again .. using a -dbg package with cdbs' automatic stripping
[19:16] <apachelogger> also applied LZMA made the -dbg go down from 38 MiB to 11 MiB
[19:16] <apachelogger> all fancy size optimation
[19:26] <nixternal> ok, KDE spot at Canonical: Reqs include - Akonadi hacker, proven UI track record in KDE, KDE svn commit access
[19:27] <nixternal> I thought Akonadi hackers worked on it because a) they don't do UI work, and b) they are employed by Kolab? i think
[19:27] <nixternal> it is kind of hard to have a proven UI record in KDE as everyone has contributed to the UI
[19:28] <nixternal> Tom Albers (toma) would actually fit this job I think quite well
[19:29] <Nightrose> nixternal: he would but i doubt he's up for it
[19:29] <nixternal> right
[19:29] <Nightrose> what about you nixternal?
[19:29] <nixternal> I don't hack on Akonadi
[19:29] <Nightrose> well there aren't that many akonadi hackers waiting to get hired by canonical ;-)
[19:30] <Nightrose> they'll have to make compromises
[19:30] <nixternal> s/don't/haven't/
[19:30] <nixternal> that's probably a better term to use because you never know what's in the future
[19:30] <Nightrose> jep
[19:30] <nixternal> Nightrose: true, as the current set of akonadi hackers are already employed to, well hack on akonadi :)
[19:31] <Nightrose> yea
[19:31] <nixternal> I just have the KDE svn access :p
[19:31] <Nightrose> sp do I :D
[19:31] <Nightrose> *so
[19:31]  * Nightrose loves svn rm 
[19:31] <Nightrose> ;-)
[19:31] <nixternal> all the upstream work I have done in the past was fixing what was already there...though I do have experience with KDE UI obviously...just don't know if there is much out there that I can call "mine"
[19:31] <Nightrose> argh damn - need to get ready for weekend with $bf
[19:32] <nixternal> backend work on khc and stuff like that
[19:32] <e-jat> nixternal: cool
[19:47] <jussi01> Sput: whats going on? o.O
[19:53] <imbrandon> nixternal: try, the worst thing they can say is "no" or "we're looking for someone that has more X or Y"
[19:53] <imbrandon> :)
[20:02] <jjesse> nixternal: i think you should get the job
[20:02] <jjesse> +1 for me
[20:03] <jjesse> i think Riddell would +1 you as well
[20:03] <jjesse> wouldn't that be funny if tha was how hiring was done, sitting around an irc and giving either a +1 or -1 to hire someone
[20:11] <e-jat> jjesse: :)
[21:17] <neversfelde> ScottK: ping
[21:26]  * Quintasan found Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri w/ Loki installer and is unable to install it >_<
[22:20] <nixternal_> SMILE FOR A SCREENSHOT!!!
[22:44] <ScottK> nixternal: Your odds of getting job don't get worse if you apply.
[22:44] <ScottK> neversfelde: Pong
[22:44] <neversfelde> ScottK: Hi
[22:45] <neversfelde> if you have some time, would you have a look at bug 384615 ?
[22:45] <ScottK> Sure thing.
[22:45] <neversfelde> thanks :)
[22:46] <ScottK> neversfelde: Please mark in the bug the exact revision you tested.
[22:47] <ScottK> If it's from the PPA, please say what changes from what's in the archive (none is a great answer).
[22:49] <neversfelde> oh sure, sorry
[22:57] <Quintasan> hmm, can anyone tell me why I can't choose a truetype font in Konsole?