[00:04] <bdizzle> hi, I was wondering if someone could help me with something dumb
[00:04] <bdizzle> I just re-installed kubuntu 9.04 after an afternoon of headaches
[00:05] <bdizzle> and the system temporarily froze while trying to update
[00:05] <bdizzle> when in terminal, I can't do "sudo apt-get install <package>" anymore, as it claims there is a lock on it
[00:05] <bdizzle> anyone know how to remove that lock?
[00:07] <bazhang> !aptfix | bdizzle
[00:07] <bdizzle> gotcha
[00:08] <bdizzle> okay
[00:08] <bazhang> working now?
[00:09] <bdizzle> yes, thank you
[00:09] <bazhang> nice :)
[00:18] <Zorael> Does anyone know of a ppa with the oxygen-molecule gtk-qt theme? For Jaunty. Would love to have it as a package
[00:35] <strife25> hi, i recently added a new hard drive, and i restarted my computer, but when it starts up it , KDE fails to load and i get sent to the terminal. it seems that I have set my main hard drive to be read only by kubuntu, any ideas how i can fix this?
[00:38] <halberd> I have a question about graphviz... there's an os X program called graphviz that renders graphs in a gui
[00:39] <halberd> is there a corresponding program on linux?  the graphviz package contains only the command line tools
[00:39] <halberd> plus dotty lefty and lneato, none of which I can figure out how to use or where to find the manual for
[00:40] <bazhang> !info graphviz | halberd
[00:41] <adoc> strife25: type "mount" in a terminal to check the rights of your partitions
[00:41] <dudeguy> Hi everyone. I opened a lot of images in different tabs in firefox and when i go to each tab and right click the image and select "save image as" it starts downloading the image again instead of just saving it from the temp files, since the image has already been (down)loaded. How chan i fix this? Thanks
[00:42] <halberd> bazhang that doesn't help, I already know about it
[00:43] <adoc> dudeguy: the solution is to stop downloading porn pictures ... lol
[00:43] <dudeguy> adoc, haha nice
[00:43] <strife25> adoc, looks like everything is "rw" by default, but when i have errors=remount-ro on my / partition, is that the problem?
[00:45] <adoc> strife25, no that's fine, I also have errors=remount-ro
[00:46] <adoc> strife25, what type of partition do you have for /
[00:46] <strife25> ext3
[00:46] <muk> hiya
[00:46] <muk> when i game i use the shift key and hold it down.  Well it gets interupted when i game by a message asking me about stiky keys.
[00:47] <muk> how do i supress the message itself.
[00:47] <Dragnslcr> muk- System Settings -> Accessibility -> Modifier Keys
[00:50] <strife25> when i try to boot it does kinit: name_to_dev(<swap-UUID>), kinit: trying to resume from <swap-UUID>, kinit: no resume image, doing normal boot...
[00:52] <strife25> then when i do startx i get "cannot create temp file for here document: read-only filesystem"
[00:52] <Zorael> strife25: It's just checking whether you suspended to disk
[00:53] <Zorael> strife25: Can your user write to /tmp?
[00:55] <strife25> no, it says "unable to open swap file for /tmp/test.txt", then when i try to save it says E212: Can't open file for writing
[00:55] <DaskreeCH> aanyone worked with Coova Chilli?
[00:55] <strife25> this same error occurs when i try to write to /home as well
[01:04] <Zorael> strife25: Can root write to the drive, then?
[01:05] <max_>  Hi, I cant seem to set the timestamps to 12hr as opposed to 24hr format in Pidgin. Can someone tell me how?
[01:09] <ubuntu> hello room, I'd like to install hardy with kde4, how do I go about it, I burned an iso cd will it give me the option?
[01:10] <strife25> Zorael, correct
[01:12] <KDesk> hi
[01:12] <KDesk> Is possible to inststall KDE 4.3 beta in Jaunty?
[01:12] <Zorael> strife25: So if you enter "sudo chmod 777 /tmp", can your user then write to tmp?
[01:14] <Dragnslcr> KDesk- last I heard, there are still a few package issues
[01:14] <strife25> Zorael: the output of chmod is "chmod: changing permissions of '/tmp/: Read-only file system
[01:14] <strife25> and i am unable to write to /tmp
[01:14] <Zorael> strife25: But root could write to it?
[01:14] <Zorael> strife25: prepend with sudo
[01:14] <Zorael> if you didn't. :3
[01:14] <ubuntu> I have the kubuntu hardy kde3.5.9 cd, to install kde4 do I need a different cd?
[01:14] <strife25> nope
[01:14] <KDesk> Dragnslcr: ok, thanks, then I will wait :)
[01:15] <strife25> sudo and user doesn't work
[01:17] <Zorael> strife25: So when you tried as root, you logged out and in as it?
[01:17] <strife25> ah, no i did not
[01:18] <strife25> what is ubuntu's default pw for root? mine does not work
[01:18] <Zorael> strife25: how then did you try as root? I mean, you say sudo doesn't have write permissions, but you did say root could write, right?
[01:18] <Zorael> or maybe I'm misinterpreting; [02:10] <strife25> Zorael, correct
[01:20] <strife25> ah, i guess so. i thought by "can root write to drive then?" was to see if the output of "mount" had "rw" for my hard drives. i apologize for the confusion
[01:20] <strife25> Zorael:root is unable to write
[01:20] <Zorael> okay
[01:20] <strife25> using sudo that is
[01:21] <Zorael> strife25: well, then it just sounds like it's mounted read-only for some reason
[01:22] <Zorael> strife25: What are the mount options for the root partitions, output by just entering mount?
[01:22] <Zorael> strife25: like, "/dev/sda4 on / type ext4 (rw,noatime,errors=remount-ro)"
[01:23] <Zorael> root partition*
[01:23] <strife25> Zorael: /dev/sdc1 on / type ext3 (rw,relatime,errors=remount-ro)
[01:24] <Zorael> strife25: Any interesting output from "dmesg | grep sdc1"? pastebin it if several lines
[01:25] <Zorael> "interesting", as in errors
[01:25] <strife25> nothing for that, but just "dmesg" brings up "EXT3-fs:Unrecognized mount option "umask=000" or missing value
[01:26] <muk> Dragnslcr: thanx pal
[01:28] <Zorael> strife25: the root partition definition in /etc/fstab, has it got the options you listed earlier? (rw,relatime,errors=remount-ro)
[01:29] <strife25> it has, "UUID=<uuid>    /    ext3    relatime,errors=remount-ro,umask=000 0    1
[01:30] <Zorael> strife25: Okay. Can you edit that file somehow? via a live cd/usb?
[01:30] <Zorael> strife25: and remove "umask=000"
[01:30] <strife25> will try that
[01:30] <Zorael> sorry, ",umask=000"
[01:30] <Zorael> Making it "UUID=<uuid>    /    ext3    relatime,errors=remount-ro 0    1"
[01:31] <mib_h8yphp1n> Hi people i'm having trouble getting past the kboot screen when i install 9.04 to my ps3
[01:32] <ubuntu> can anyone tell me how to create a partition for /home  or is that not advisable?
[01:36] <ubuntu> can anyone help?
[01:37] <CydeWeys> I get an error when attempting to run startx.  The error is "/usr/bin/pulseaudio: invalid option -- 'd'".  This prevents X from starting at all.  Any idea where it might be trying to run this from?
[01:38] <dwidmann> ubuntu: well, do you have unpartitioned free space, or will you have to create some first?
[01:38] <CydeWeys> A long time ago I remember I had some X issues and I may have modified some startup config file somewhere to execute pulseaudio -d.  Maybe they removed the -d option at some point?
[01:38] <ubuntu> I'm creating it
[01:39] <Zorael> CydeWeys: It should be pulseaudio -D, I think
[01:39] <Zorael> so find that config file. :3
[01:39] <CydeWeys> Zorael: I just can't figure where that's trying to run from, though.  If I could change it to upper case, I would.
[01:39] <CydeWeys> Yeah, I'm trying to grep everything now.
[01:39] <CydeWeys> There's only so many places it can be.
[01:39] <Zorael> *nod* grep is your friend
[01:39] <dwidmann> ubuntu: okay, that makes it somewhat more complicated, For the partition you're going to resize, what filesystem is on it? how big is it currently?
[01:40] <strife25> Zorael: W00T success :-D, thanks for your help
[01:40] <Zorael> strife25: Ah, cheers
[01:41] <CydeWeys> Trying this at the moment:     grep -HnR pulseaudio ~/\.*
[01:41] <CydeWeys> Already tried in /etc/
[01:41] <CydeWeys> I'm kind of running out of places to look ..
[01:41] <changturkey> is anyone running karmic
[01:42] <dwidmann> changturkey: you'll probably find some of those crazies over in #ubuntu+1 :P
[01:42] <changturkey> er..?
[01:42] <changturkey> or even kde 4.3
[01:43] <ubuntu> 54gb, and I want at least 10gb for /home, I'm already resizing the 54 to 43 for /
[01:43] <Zorael> CydeWeys: Hum, I'd have guessed it to be somewhere in /etc myself, though.
[01:44] <CydeWeys> Zorael: I just tried startx under a different username (one that I never use) and it looks like X has gotten farther.
[01:44] <dwidmann> ubuntu: in all reality you probably don't need more than about 15GB for /, and in many cases you'll need much less than that
[01:44] <CydeWeys> It's displaying a mouse cursor, at least.
[01:44] <CydeWeys> I don't see kdm or anything.
[01:46] <dwidmann> CydeWeys: I think startx will run /usr/bin/startkde for you, so right, no KDM.
[01:46] <CydeWeys> What should I be attempting to run to start from the command-line?
[01:46] <CydeWeys> I also have Gnome installed, maybe that'll work?
[01:48] <ubuntu> dwidmann: but then what would happen to all the space left? shoult /home be larger than root?
[01:48] <dwidmann> ubuntu: typically yes
[01:48] <dwidmann> ubuntu: assuming you have personal files that take up space
[01:49] <dwidmann> (My /home is 439G)
[01:49] <CydeWeys> startkde didn't work, kdm didn't work, startx didn't really work - just a cursor on a black screen - but gdm worked.
[01:49] <CydeWeys> gdm just booted me into KDE.
[01:49] <CydeWeys> Go figure.
[01:51] <dwidmann> CydeWeys: Odd
[01:51] <dwidmann> CydeWeys: what did you do that might have instigated this problem anyways?
[01:51] <CydeWeys> dwidmann: I'm guessing it's because I have 'pulseaudio -d' somewhere in a config file that the KDE-related stuff is reading when attempting to boot.
[01:52] <CydeWeys> dwidmann: Well, a long time ago (many months), I had some pulseaudio problems.
[01:52] <CydeWeys> I think I ended up adding something like 'pulseaudio -d' to a KDE startup script somewhere to make sure it ran on boot.
[01:52] <dwidmann> CydeWeys: maybe this is a side effect of "fixing" that?
[01:52] <CydeWeys> Because it wasn't running at boot and I had to run it manually.
[01:52] <CydeWeys> dwidmann: Well, I think I upgraded pulseaudio recently and it no longer allows the -d parameter.
[01:52] <dwidmann> CydeWeys: I think I might have a few ideas of where to check into that
[01:53] <CydeWeys> dwidmann: I'm guessing it's somewhere in my per-user config?  I tried starting X using a different user account and it got farther than that.
[01:53] <user___> hi, have a question about the crossover games... anyone can help?
[01:54] <dwidmann> CydeWeys: try fgrep "pulseaudio -d" /etc/init.d/*
[01:54] <CydeWeys> dwidmann: Nothing
[01:55] <dwidmann> how about /etc/kde4/kdm/
[01:55] <dwidmann> (probably a longshot if startx won't work, but worth a try still)
[01:55] <ubuntu> dwidmann: so should I make /home 40gb and / about 15gb???
[01:56] <CydeWeys> dwidmann: Nothing.  I think it must be in a per-user config somewhere, i.e. in my home directory.
[01:56] <dwidmann> ubuntu: that's what I would do, but it's up to you really. Do plan ahead now though because it'll be harder to change later
[01:57] <Zorael> Is the cursor flashing incessantly when mouseovering an application that's working (firefox loading, etc) for anyone else? Especially Oxygen's working animation icon, the two spheres that circle around eachother
[01:57] <dwidmann> CydeWeys: grep your entire $HOME then? Does startx work as a different user?
[01:57] <CydeWeys> I'm grepping my entire home at the moment.
[01:58] <CydeWeys> Could take a little while :-P
[01:58] <CydeWeys> Yeah, startx sort of worked as another user.  I didn't get that same error message, at least. Though it didn't seem to start up an actual window manager.
[01:58] <dwidmann> Zorael: are your graphics in general slow/flickery? Or is it just the cursors?
[01:59] <dwidmann> CydeWeys: if it doesn't work as another user then it's probably a global problem
[01:59] <CydeWeys> dwidmann: Well I don't get the pulseaudio error with another user ...
[01:59] <dwidmann> CydeWeys: how about grepping your /usr/bin/startkde?
[01:59] <CydeWeys> And I did manage to boot into KDE successfully through gdm.
[01:59] <CydeWeys> dwidmann: Nah, not there.
[02:00] <dwidmann> Yeah, that's the odd part.
[02:00] <Zorael> dwidmann: Well, I'm on a netbook with integrated intel video. Resizing windows is certainly flickery, and I've come to accept a general slowness. Drivers are from xorg-edgers, but didn't seem to make that much of a difference
[02:00] <Zorael> flickerwise
[02:00] <dwidmann> Zorael: you should be able to get your hands on the old  intel driver from intrepid, let me see if I can dig that up.
[02:01] <dwidmann> Zorael: you'll want to roll back to the default 9.04 stuff first though
[02:01] <Cyde> Okay, chatting from my desktop now.
[02:01] <Zorael> dwidmann: Well, if I end up rolling back, I can dig up the links myself. Just wondering if it's something everyone else is suffering from, too :3
[02:01] <dwidmann> Zorael: for me this helped immensely .. it won't help though if things weren't smooth in 8.10
[02:01] <jimdb> is anyone in here experienced with wireless?  i have a wireless card in my computer that sees my router but when prompted to enter the passcode/password, it won't connect and every minute or two it prompts me to reenter it.
[02:02] <Zorael> dwidmann: I'm currently running with kernel modesetting too, so an older driver wouldn't let me into X as it is
[02:02] <Zorael> and I have that intel-2.4 ppa bookmarked somewhere, running it on my older Dell system
[02:03] <dwidmann> Zorael: yes, that's the one I used
[02:03] <dwidmann> Zorael: that cursor flickeryness was probably from the drivers though, yeah
[02:04] <Cyde> Here's what I'm currently running:   ls -A | egrep '^\.'|sudo xargs grep -HnR pulseaudio
[02:04] <Cyde> .config/autostart/pulseaudio.desktop:4:Exec=pulseaudio -D
[02:04] <Cyde> That doesn't look wrong.
[02:05] <dwidmann> Cyde: any hits?
[02:05] <Cyde> Just the one so far.
[02:05] <Cyde> It's still running.
[02:05] <Cyde> if I wasn't a programmer I'd be hopeless in diagnosing these problems :-/  As it is, I'm still mostly hopeless :-P
[02:06] <dwidmann> maybe something simpler like grep pulseaudio ~/.* might work (and will also be faster because you'd only be checking the hidden config files)
[02:06] <ubuntu> applications are installed in root no???
[02:06] <dwidmann> ubuntu: yeah
[02:06] <Cyde> dwidmann: I am only checking the hidden config files.
[02:06] <ubuntu> dwidmann: thx I will make that 20gb then
[02:07] <dwidmann> Cyde: ah, good thing too
[02:07] <Cyde> dwidmann: Try ls -d ~/.*  -- you'll see that it also lists .  and ..
[02:07] <Cyde> dwidmann: What I'm running is the simplest way I could find of only getting the dot directories.
[02:08] <dwidmann> ubuntu: during tyical usage you probably won't need that much, but feel free to do so (I think I'm using 8GB, and I have 1800 packages installed)
[02:08] <dwidmann> Cyde: my way wasn't simple?
[02:08] <Cyde> dwidmann: It doesn't work.  It also lists . and ..
[02:08] <ubuntu> :) nice
[02:10] <psycoborg> how do i reset kubuntu to factory defaults?
[02:10] <psycoborg> im using the kde interface.
[02:12] <dwidmann> Cyde: if what you're doing is working okay that's awesome, just in the even that it might be useful I probably would have went this route: find /home/user/ -ipath /home/user/\.\* -execdir grep pulseaudio {} \+
[02:14] <dwidmann> psycoborg: in reality you probably don't .. what's wrong that you would want to do so?
[02:15] <ubuntu> dwidmann: ok so both / and /home are Primary ext3 partitions, correct
[02:15] <dwidmann> ubuntu: sure, if that's how you created them
[02:15] <ubuntu> dwidmann: ok so when it's time to install kubuntu, will it ask me where to install?
[02:16] <psycoborg> well it started with the gnome interface about 2 updates ago. it started randomly locking up on me.
[02:16] <psycoborg> the mouse moves but nothing is accessable.
[02:16] <ubuntu> and I'd install in / right?
[02:16] <psycoborg> i have to hard reboot the system.
[02:16] <psycoborg> there are not error messages. it just locks up.
[02:16] <dwidmann> ubuntu: you can install it to whichever partition you wish, but you'll need to do the partitioning section of the install process manually
[02:17] <dwidmann> psycoborg: any idea of anything you might have done to prompt that?
[02:17] <psycoborg> when gnome started getting bad with the lockups i simply moved over to kde.
[02:17] <psycoborg> i am not sure.
[02:17] <psycoborg> i tweaked alot on this system.
[02:18] <dwidmann> psycoborg: as opposed to hard rebooting the system, Alt + SysRQ + R-E-I-S-U-B might be able to let you reboot safely
[02:18] <psycoborg> wobbly window fire random anamations custom themes and alot more.
[02:18] <koopa> can some one help me? when i switch my desktop from Folder to Desktop i cant arrange the plasmoids, for some reason they all auto arrange by them self in a very ugly way
[02:18] <ubuntu> dwidmann: I understand I'm starting the partition now, my question is when i do / and /hom separate, to which would kubuntu install to?
[02:19] <psycoborg> ppfft.
[02:19] <psycoborg> i did not even see that key.
[02:19] <psycoborg> :P
[02:19] <dwidmann> ubuntu: you'll have to tell the installer which partition mounts where
[02:20] <koopa> no idea?
[02:20] <dwidmann> psycoborg: should be on the Print Scren key
[02:20] <psycoborg> im thinking one of the tweaks i did might have been incompatible with one of the updates or something.
[02:20] <psycoborg> i saw that :)
[02:21] <ubuntu> dwidmann: ok I get it now, I see it :)
[02:21] <psycoborg> it will take a while to un customize my ubuntu  lol
[02:22] <dwidmann> psycoborg: if you want a fresh slate, reinstalling is easy enough to do, and if you have a separate /home you won't lose any of your settings
[02:23] <Zengol> I just tried to add a repo and now my adept crashes is ther a way i can remove the added repos manually without loading Adept?
[02:23] <dwidmann> Zengol: edit your /etc/apt/sources.list manually
[02:23] <psycoborg> is there a utility to check the health of the file system to make sure it is not currupted?
[02:24] <psycoborg> i just want to check it .
[02:24] <dwidmann> psycoborg: fsck
[02:24] <psycoborg> not fix it.
[02:24] <dwidmann> psycoborg: fsck -n
[02:26] <psycoborg> bleh.
[02:26] <psycoborg> permission denied
[02:26] <dwidmann> !sudo
[02:26] <psycoborg> got to do this the hard way.
[02:26] <psycoborg> lol
[02:26] <ubuntu> dwidmann: ok now I did the separate /home and I have 2gb free space but it tells me its unusable, any idea why?
[02:26] <ubuntu> I wanted to use the free left for swap
[02:27] <Zengol> I cannot add or remove sources
[02:27] <dwidmann> ubuntu: you can have a maximum of 4 Primary partitions, or 3 Primary partitions and one extended partition (in which you can have as many partitions as you like)
[02:27] <dwidmann> !sudo | Zengol
[02:28] <DaskreeCH> Anyone used Coova Chiilli with a JSON Interface?
[02:28] <ubuntu> dwidmann: so can /home be and exteded partition?
[02:28] <dwidmann> ubuntu: no, but it can be a logical partition within an extended partition
[02:28] <ubuntu> I dual-boot w/windows, that's taking up 2 partitions :-/
[02:28] <dwidmann> :)
[02:30] <ubuntu> dwidmann: so which can be an extended partition??? Could I install kubuntu in an extended partition? then break that in 3 (swap/root/home)??
[02:30] <libervisco> How stable is 4.3 beta2? As a mainly bugfix release it should probably be same or better than 4.2.4, right?
[02:30] <dwidmann> ubuntu: I hope you haven't filled up your /home partition just yet, because you probably need to del that and recreate as a logical partition
[02:31] <dwidmann> ubuntu: which partitioning program are you using atm?
[02:31] <ubuntu> dwidmann: the one in the cd installation
[02:31] <dwidmann> libervisco: leaping into beta programs is probably not advisable, and assuming betas to be stable is even less advisable.
[02:33] <dwidmann> ubuntu: Hmm, try doing the partitioning with parted in a terminal. (probably: "sudo parted /dev/sda" assuming your install is on /dev/sda)
[02:33] <libervisco> dwidmann: ah.. ok..
[02:34] <ubuntu> dwidmann: it is but I have windows in there as well, and I'm not good with terminal and it's in the installation process that I'm doing this
[02:34] <libervisco> I'm just trying it out.. and if it doesn't work I'm using windows 7 anyway these days..
[02:34] <DaskreeCH> libervisco: You are highly mistaken
[02:35] <DaskreeCH> It's b no means a bugfix release
[02:35] <libervisco> if it looks good, I might switch back to kubuntu as a primary OS when it's final
[02:35] <ubuntu> I already started installation and it asked me where I wanted to install kubuntu, I seleceted manually, and am partitioning now
[02:35] <dwidmann> ubuntu: it's a simple interactive terminal app ... you don't need a mess of flags and whatnot just to make it work
[02:35] <libervisco> DaskreeCH: are they adding any features?
[02:35] <DaskreeCH> libervisco: Quite a few
[02:35] <libervisco> oh
[02:36] <libervisco> that's cool actually :)
[02:36] <DaskreeCH> That's why it gets the 0.1
[02:36] <ubuntu> so should I quit the installation? or delete the partitions and then quit installation?
[02:36] <libervisco> ah right
[02:36] <DaskreeCH> It's X.x._x_
[02:36] <DaskreeCH> X is major major major breakage
[02:36] <DaskreeCH> Like KDE 3 -> KDE 4
[02:36] <libervisco> yeah
[02:36] <DaskreeCH> nearly everything changes
[02:36] <libervisco> that's for sure :P
[02:36] <dwidmann> ubuntu: delete the partition /home is on (hopefully the one at the end of the disk) and recreate it as a logical partition and you should be straight
[02:37] <DaskreeCH> x is lots of things change but the underlying stuff remains the same. So if something worked in X.x it should work in X.x+1
[02:37] <DaskreeCH> however since new things have been added something in X.x+1 might not work in X.x
[02:38] <ubuntu> then I'd be able to create 2gb of swap?
[02:38] <DaskreeCH> So programs that work in KDE 4.3 might not run if you have them on a 4.2 install
[02:38] <libervisco> I see
[02:38] <dwidmann> ubuntu: yes, and it would have to be a logical partition also
[02:38] <DaskreeCH> the _x_ is just bugfixes nothing new is added the strings aren't changed
[02:38] <libervisco> well I'm not risking much, just doing a clean kubuntu install with ppa enabled to test it out
[02:38] <ubuntu> dwidmann: thxxxxxxx :)
[02:39] <dwidmann> 4.2.4 --- think that would be 4=version 3=major revision x=minor revision
[02:39] <DaskreeCH> libervisco: That's what I did. I installed Ubuntu Server then added the PPA and installed from there. Worked fine for me except that I had no icons
[02:39] <libervisco> hehe
[02:39] <dwidmann> that or its major revision, minor revision, then something else
[02:39] <DaskreeCH> Installed kde-icons-oxygen and I was fine. Reported it and it should be fixed now
[02:40] <libervisco> cool :)
[02:40] <DaskreeCH> dwidmann: Patch
[02:41] <ubuntu> dwidmann; doesn't ask for primary or logical, only location: beginning or end, for swap
[02:41] <libervisco> okay, it's done.. thanks guys.. brb
[02:41] <dwidmann> ubuntu: that's why I was thinking you might need to use a different partitioner
[02:43] <DaskreeCH> ubuntu: If you are on the Live Cd you can just insatll Gparted
[02:43] <dwidmann> ubuntu: some options with regards to that are parted, fdisk (more involved than the others, but functional), cfdisk, gparted, partitioneditor
[02:44] <Zengol> I have a crash upon loading Adept or any other software program.
[02:44] <Zengol> Think anyone can help me?
[02:45] <ubuntu> ok, so I'll install gparted, quit installation and partition using gparted before installing kubuntu... and delete the partitions already created :)
[02:45] <Zengol> Is there a way to rollback my software sources that i added to it?
[02:45] <DaskreeCH> Zengol: run it from the command line to see errors
[02:45] <DaskreeCH> Zengol: Of course there is :)
[02:45] <ubuntu> yep on live cd here
[02:46] <Zengol> terminate called after throwing an instance of 'wibble::exception::System'
[02:46] <Zengol>   what():  Success. Context:
[02:46] <Zengol>     The list of sources could not be read.
[02:47] <DaskreeCH> Zengol: What did you add?
[02:47] <Zengol> A fix for the Intel downscale resolution hotfix.
[02:47] <DaskreeCH> >_>
[02:47] <DaskreeCH> Sooo what did you add?
[02:47] <Zengol> https://launchpad.net/~johnleach/+archive/ppa
[02:48] <Zengol> That is the site.
[02:48] <libervisco> I had no icons too :P
[02:48] <Zengol> I think i did it wrong, haha.
[02:48] <libervisco> had to get the oxygen pack
[02:48] <ubuntu> gparted is not in adept
[02:48] <Zengol> I am about to install 9.04 in my 2nd partition to see how it run's.
[02:49] <Zengol> If it run's ok, then i will just migrate to it.
[02:49] <DaskreeCH> Zengol: Ok are you comfortable on the command line?
[02:49] <Zengol> But i would rather hae this fixed beforehand incase 9.04 does not like my hardware.
[02:49] <Zengol> Sure.
[02:49] <Zengol> Gimmie something to crash my laptop with.
[02:49] <Zengol> xD
[02:50] <ubuntu> nm
[02:50] <Zengol> Not sure what i added to make Adept unstable, but i am sure something is hidden.
[02:50] <Zengol> I cannot see what i added.
[02:51]  * dwidmann hands Zengol a skateboard
[02:52]  * cuznt hands Zengol a broken bike
[02:53] <ubuntu> :( wasn't able to install gparted
[02:53] <dwidmann> ubuntu: why not?
[02:53] <ubuntu> don't know, adept warned about breaking some packages and just quit
[02:54] <ubuntu> I am running a live cd, maybe can't install anything
[02:54] <dwidmann> Sure you can, it's weird that there is breakage
[02:54] <dwidmann> Keep in mind cfdisk and parted are still options and already installed :)
[02:55] <ubuntu> ok so I'll use those, thru terminal???
[02:55] <ubuntu> do I have to delete the partitions again?
[02:55] <dwidmann> Only one of them, seeing as you can have 3 primary
[02:56] <DaskreeCH> Zengol: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:56] <dwidmann> ubuntu: yes, through the terminal, but I promise they're easy to use
[02:56] <ubuntu> ok so I'll delete /home again
[02:56] <DaskreeCH> hi libervisco
[02:56] <KDesk> Sometimes when I plam music files with Amarok 2.1, it skips a few tracks. This happes random. Am I the only one affected by this? Any one knows why this happens?
[02:57] <libervisco> Hi DaskreeCH
[02:57] <libervisco> it froze :D
[02:57] <ubuntu> do I have to quit installation?
[02:57] <libervisco> when changing wallpaper settings
[02:57] <dwidmann> KDesk: truly random or are they perhaps files of a different format from the others?
[02:57] <ubuntu> dwidmann: ok so how do I use them?
[02:58] <dwidmann> ubuntu: well, firstly, which one of them do you want to use?
[02:58] <KDesk> dwidmann: Yes, random, First I thought it was a curropt track, but this happens with flac and mp3 as far as I know, but only with Amarok 2.1
[02:58] <ubuntu> dwidmann: whichever one u think lol
[02:58] <libervisco> font antialiasing is still inconsistent.. plasma starts with differently looking (differently hinted or no hinting) fonts than the rest of the desktop
[02:58] <dwidmann> ubuntu: okay, how about cfdisk then.
[02:59] <ubuntu> k
[02:59] <dwidmann> ubuntu: sudo cfdisk /dev/sda (assuming sda is where your stuff lives)
[03:00] <ubuntu> ok shows 3primary and 2 logical
[03:00] <dwidmann> ubuntu: select partitions with up/down, choose what to do with them with left/right, hit enter to do it.
[03:00] <ubuntu> k
[03:00] <dwidmann> ubuntu:  so you already have it set up with 2 logical? That should be fine then ...
[03:01] <ubuntu> dwidmann: no those are the ones I have to delete to install kubuntu
[03:01] <Zengol> How do i save and close the file?
[03:01] <dwidmann> eh?
[03:01] <ubuntu> long story, just work w/me ok :)
[03:02] <Zengol> I removed the repo's that i added how do i close the file and save what i erased?
[03:02] <dwidmann> Okay, the second option from the left is delete
[03:03] <ubuntu> dwidmann: so I know have the free space, which do I create 1st?
[03:04] <ubuntu> now^
[03:04] <dwidmann> ubuntu: whichever, just be sure to make them logical partitions
[03:04] <ubuntu> all of them?
[03:04] <ubuntu> cool
[03:06] <Zengol> How do i use the write out command?
[03:06] <ubuntu> how do I change the size?
[03:07] <DaskreeCH> Zengol: It saysat the bottom of the screen
[03:08] <DaskreeCH> Zengol: ^ means ctrl in Unix land
[03:08] <Zengol> OH!
[03:08] <Zengol> Ok, haha.
[03:08] <DaskreeCH> M+ means Alt
[03:09] <DaskreeCH> so M+S is alt+S and ^Fis Ctrl+F
[03:10] <ubuntu> ok so all 3 partitions are logical, I imagine I modify it w/the installation cd now?
[03:11] <ubuntu> or should I have left swap as free space?
[03:13] <DaskreeCH> You need at least one primary partition
[03:13] <Zengol> So i just highlight what i want to delete then hit ^O?
[03:13] <ubuntu> Daskreech: I cant write kubuntu to a logical partition?
[03:14] <ubuntu> I'm dual booting there's already 2 primary partitions
[03:14] <DaskreeCH> ok cool then
[03:15] <DaskreeCH> I was just saying  you can't have only 3 logical parittions on the drive if some software is telling you that then it's lying
[03:15] <DaskreeCH> Zengol: Yes
[03:15] <DaskreeCH> Zengol: Or put a # at the start of the line
[03:16] <ubuntu> DaskreeCH: ok :) no I know that, but I will be able to install kubuntu to a logical one, right
[03:16] <DaskreeCH> ubuntu: Yes
[03:16] <ubuntu> thx much
[03:17] <ubuntu> and swap can be logical too or should I leave as free space?
[03:17] <KDesk> How can I configure the system to make all audio with 2 channels to be 5.1?
[03:17] <ubuntu> sorry for the bother, I'm so new at this
[03:19] <simba7> i have a problem with jaunty kubuntu and seing any wireless networks in nm-applet (they show just fine in airdump-ng)...any ideas?
[03:20] <DaskreeCH> My swap is logical
[03:21] <Zengol> If i delete the file will it make a new one?
[03:21] <Zengol> The whole file in total.
[03:22] <KDesk> Is possible to use a file swap? Last time I tryed, it had some problems to hibernate.
[03:23] <ubuntu> k thanks DaskreeCH
[03:23] <DaskreeCH> Sure
[03:24] <DaskreeCH> Zengol: PLease dont
[03:24] <Zengol> Lol.
[03:24] <Zengol> I cannot seem to edit out the file's at all.
[03:24] <Zengol> The lines atleast.
[03:24] <DaskreeCH> Zengol: If you want to delete something like that then rename the file so you can rename it back afterwards if badthingshappen (C)
[03:25] <DaskreeCH> Zengol: You can't edit them out?
[03:25] <Zengol> "In$
[03:25] <Zengol> https://launchpad.net/~johnleach/+archive"https://launchpad.net/~johnleach/+archi$
[03:25] <Zengol> Is stuck.
[03:25] <Zengol> I think i messed up.
[03:29] <DaskreeCH> Zengol: Where are you seeing that??
[03:30] <Zengol> Inside of the sources.
[03:30] <Zengol> "In$
[03:30] <Zengol> https://launchpad.net/~johnleach/+archive"https://launchpad.net/~johnleach/+archi$
[03:30] <Zengol> Crap.
[03:30] <Zengol> One sec.
[03:30] <FloodBotK1> Zengol: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[03:30] <Zengol> sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:30] <Zengol> That bring's up that up on the end of all of the sources.
[03:30] <ubuntu> can /home be a fat32 or is ext3 the best?
[03:31] <DaskreeCH> Zengol: ok is that on two lines?
[03:31] <DaskreeCH> ubuntu: ext3 works nicely
[03:31] <DaskreeCH> I can be Fat32 but you really really don't want that
[03:32] <ubuntu> :) no prob, just wanted to know
[03:32] <Zengol> Kind of.
[03:32] <Zengol> It is side by side.
[03:33] <Zengol> Both fit on one line.
[03:33] <Zengol> I would like to delete both of them.
[03:34] <Zengol> Would be easier if i could just access the file and delete them with backspace, haha.
[03:39] <DaskreeCH> Zengol: You can
[03:39] <Zengol> How?
[03:40] <DaskreeCH> When you are in nano just press delete or whatever it's a text editor
[03:40] <Zengol> I have tried it.
[03:40] <Zengol> How do i save the document before i exit?
[03:40] <DaskreeCH> how did you open it?
[03:40] <Zengol> With KATE
[03:40] <DaskreeCH> >_M
[03:40] <DaskreeCH> Zengol: you need kdesudo then
[03:40] <DaskreeCH> kdesudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:44] <Zengol> RIGHT on DUDE!
[03:44] <Zengol> Hell yeah.
[03:44] <Zengol> It let me fully edit it.
[03:44] <Zengol> There was 3 line's of the same repo BTW,
[03:44] <Zengol> Thank you so much Screech.
[03:45] <Zengol> I have full control of Adept once again, no more Sig crashing.
[03:45] <Zengol> I really appreciate it ma.
[03:45] <Zengol> Man*
[03:47] <Zengol> Now my question is.
[03:47] <Zengol> How would i add a public key?
[03:49] <Zengol> Oh, right on, i got it..
[03:50] <togetic> so, my problem today, i rebooted into kdm, and the mouse doesn't move
[03:50] <togetic> i can't even ctl-alt-f# to a tty screen
[03:51] <DaskreeCH> togetic: Installed anything recently?
[03:53] <pulaski> Hi, I've learned I have to be running the Lisa-Daemon to gain access to nfs shares.  I'm unable to find it using aptitude or apt-get.  Does anyone know anything about accessing nfs shares from the kubuntu desktop?
[03:56] <DaskreeCH> pulaski: open konquere and type nfs://IP
[03:57] <pulaski> DaskreeCH: Thanks for responding.  I'll try it!
[03:59] <pulaski> DaskreeCH: "nfs://IP" returns "unknown host ip" any other suggestions?
[04:00] <Zengol> Ok Skreech.
[04:00] <Zengol> Imma change resolution.
[04:00] <Zengol> OMFG!
[04:00] <Zengol> It worked.
[04:01] <Zengol> I did not crash back to the logon screen.
[04:01] <DaskreeCH> pulaski: try network://
[04:01] <DaskreeCH> pulaski: where IP is the IP of the server yo uare trying to reach?
[04:01] <Zengol> Thank you DaskreeCH i really appreciate all of your assistance into my problem.
[04:02] <DaskreeCH> Zengol: Sure
[04:02] <Zengol> Heh...
[04:03] <Zengol> You act like you didn't do anything at all, haha.
[04:03] <pulaski> DaskreeCH: Thanks I will.
[04:03] <DaskreeCH> I didn't :)
[04:03] <Zengol> Lol.
[04:03] <Zengol> You are a very modest man.
[04:03] <Zengol> I really have to thank you though.
[04:03] <Zengol> You saved my butt on that one.
[04:04] <Zengol> Now i have to figure out how to get JACK audio, and how to get DRI to work in my favor.
[04:04] <pulaski> DaskreeCH: the ip of the server I'm trying to reach is 192.168.24.105
[04:07] <DaskreeCH> pulaski: btw do you have nfs-common installed?
[04:08] <Zengol> DaskreeCH - I am running without a hinge thank you again man.
[04:08] <DaskreeCH> Cool just don't delete random config files in the future :)
[04:08] <Zengol> I will have to ask you my next problem when you get finished helping pulaski.
[04:08] <Zengol> Oh, i didn't delete the config.
[04:08] <Zengol> I added a repo.
[04:09] <Zengol> And it didn't show so i added it again, ad then one more time.
[04:09] <pulaski> DaskreeCH: Yes, I can ping the server and get to it with ssh from my client.
[04:09] <Zengol> Then i knew there was a problem so i restarted Adept and it crashed with a Sig6 on boot.
[04:09] <DaskreeCH> Zengol: I know Yo uwere going to delete it. Please don't do that. you can seriously mess up your computer like that
[04:10] <togetic> DaskreeCH: re: installed anything recently? not that i'm aware of
[04:10] <togetic> bb in a bit
[04:10] <DaskreeCH> togetic: does failsafe work?
[04:10] <Zengol> DaskreeCH - I figured so, i was only asking if i could, such as would it regenrat as a clean version or not.
[04:11] <DaskreeCH> Zengol: yeah I know. but even so rename the file if it doesn't work you can just rename it back
[04:11] <DaskreeCH> If you delete it and then need something from the file you can't get it back
[04:12] <Zengol> Ahh.
[04:12] <Zengol> Well, you fixed my problem, so i am happy. =)
[04:12] <DaskreeCH> pulaski: http://www.electrictoolbox.com/cant-mount-nfs-share-ubuntu-kubuntu/
[04:16] <Zengol> Wow...
[04:16] <Zengol> I just crashed completely due to a bug i guess.
[04:16] <Zengol> 8.10 so i cannot complain.
[04:18] <pulaski> DaskreeCH: Yes I'm still here, just looking around for more info.  I think I have to use the "control module" to configure it but i need to know its insalled first.
[04:19] <togetic> two things: same kdm problem and secondly, on the live distro, i can't display a pdf file the mounted partition, i'm getting an error cannot open display?.. export DISPLAY=:0 doesn't work either
[04:33] <togetic> anyone? eh? eehhh? :)
[04:35] <Zengol> Is there a way to remove the trash can frm the desktop?
[04:38] <ner0x> What is the speed difference between Wireless and Ethernet?
[04:39] <ner0x> If, of course, the wireless is in a close enough range.
[04:46] <eMyller> please, where do i find kate color schemas?
[04:46] <eMyller> people in #kate is too quiet
[04:49] <Zengol> Nerox
[04:50] <Zengol> Most wi-fi can run at a max amount between 11mbs-52mbs
[04:50] <Zengol> most ethernet nowaday's can run 100mbs
[04:51] <Zengol> depending on if it is a open bandwidth, limited or regulated.
[04:51] <Zengol> And depending on teh hardware.
[04:51] <FeasibilityStudy> 52 mbs is theoretical and never happens in the field.  The best you'll usually see is around 30.
[04:55] <epimeth> uuummmmm.... since when is #kubuntu+1 invite only?
[04:57] <epimeth> and since I can't ask there, I'll ask here :-)  Can I update to karmic by changing all mention of "jaunty" to "karmic" and doing a dist-upgrade like I did back in '05, or is there a different way to do it?  the instructions on ubuntu.com tell me to "update-manger -d" but I guess thats a gnome thing cuz I don't have it...
[04:58] <p_quarles> epimeth: afaik, there is only #ubuntu+1; #kubuntu+1 is most likely protected to keep it that way
[05:00] <p_quarles> epimeth: anyway, I prefer the CLI version: sudo do-release-upgrade
[05:01] <epimeth> p_quarles: as do I... do-release-upgrade you say?
[05:01] <epimeth> I can't go old school? :-p
[05:02] <eMyller> epimeth: for now, both #[k]ubuntu+1 have the same purposes. so, just one channel.
[05:02] <epimeth> HAL is getting depricated?!?!?! Didn't it *just* become the new hardware layer like 3 releases ago?
[05:03] <epimeth> heh... I see the kernel hasn't been updated to .30 yet
[05:05] <epimeth> eMyller: anyway, need to restart... thanks for the do-release-upgrade :-)
[05:17] <pulaski> Hi DaskreeCH, I've done a little rooting around and kde4 has an applet called network manager that I grabbed.  From what I've been able to determine once its configured properly I think its supposed to connect automatically.  My question is 'How can I determine my "Gateway:" to configure this thing correctly?
[05:18] <pulaski> DaskreeCH: Gateway is in the form of an IP address...
[05:19] <pulaski> DaskreeCH: It just occurred to me that it must be the address of my router.  Any comment? I'm going to try that.
[05:21] <eMyller> is there any text expander app?
[05:22] <shadeslayer> hi,i think theres a typo in the topic, 'bet' should be 'yet'
[05:23] <shadeslayer> and secondly..can i get 4.3 support here?
[05:26] <shadeslayer> Can i get help with kde 4.3 beta here ??
[05:29] <slack_> shadeslayer are you on?
[05:29] <Clown_Knife> Hello all.  I have a system running kubuntu 8.10 and every time I log on compiz starts up I don't mind this but would prefer not to have it one how can I disable it without removing
[05:30] <flashbak> Hi there. Is there anyone able to get xawtv4 to compile for Ubuntu? If so, could they post a deb please?
[05:30] <slack_> cown_knife?
[05:30] <slack_> you installed compiz right?
[05:30] <slack_> look in kde_autostart if there is some script to start it and disable it
[05:31] <Clown_Knife> slack_, yeah its an old system thats been upgrade many times
[05:31] <Clown_Knife> slack_, no script there
[05:31] <slack_> mmm a solution a little bit rought (sorry for my english)
[05:31] <slack_> is reinstall for aptitude all the compiz packages
[05:32] <Clown_Knife> slack_, at the moment i have a script to start kwin but not really the way
[05:32] <slack_> that replace the script from start and replace it
[05:32] <slack_> you see the compiz decorator no?
[05:32] <uga> slack_: why would he want compiz installed anyway
[05:32] <uga> he said he doesn't want it
[05:32] <uga> ah, "wihout removing". I missed that
[05:32] <slack_> mm yeah
[05:32] <slack_> mmm
[05:33] <uga> Clown_Knife: check what you did when installing compiz
[05:33] <uga> sure you modified something so that compiz autostarted on session
[05:33] <uga> afaik compiz packages don't automate that
[05:34] <uga> some init.d or startkde patch
[05:36] <slack_> Raising skinny elephant is uttlery boring !! XD a love it!
[05:38] <Clown_Knife> uga, umm installed compiz a year or two ago and its just been upgraded along the way and the other day I found an issue with my glx because of a bad symlink to libglx.so when I fixed this compiz start starting when I logged in
[05:39] <Clown_Knife> uga, what are config files used on start up,  that are not in home folder ~/.kde/Autostart
[05:40] <uga> Clown_Knife: the problem is that only _you_ know what you modified
[05:40] <uga> there's tons of ways to run something after logging into session
[05:40] <Clown_Knife> uga, ok
[05:41] <julian__> hello, someone knows the name of the channel for this thing in spanish?
[05:41] <uga> Clown_Knife: you could have modified startkde, .xinitrc, autostart....
[05:42] <uga> Clown_Knife: it's like knowing how a robber entered a house... window, door, chimney, wall hole... =)
[05:43] <shadeslayer> hehe
[05:43] <uga> (yes, Santa is suspicious)
[05:43] <digdeep> !spain
[05:44] <shadeslayer> !sp | digdeep
[05:44] <digdeep> !info spainish
[05:44] <julian__> hello, im getting slow performance in ubuntu 8.10... with compiz and videos... compiz after a while starts gettin slow, and videos in youtube, sometimes they stops for a while
[05:44] <shadeslayer> digdeep: i guess the language is espanol?
[05:44] <shadeslayer> !es > digdeep
[05:45] <uga> heh
[05:45] <uga> digdeep: para información en castellano (spanish, no spainish ;))  está #kubuntu-es. Que lo pases bien
[05:45] <digdeep> join #espanol
[05:46] <uga> digdeep: añade un "/" al principio, antes de join
[05:46] <uga> whoever thought irc is a good support way...
[05:46] <digdeep> :)
[05:49] <Clown_Knife> uga, ok cheers I have really just forgot what i did years ago to many drinks :)
[05:49] <uga> heh
[05:58] <Serpardum> I'm trying to find the file xf86.h and related (need some structure information, etc..)  It doesnt' exist on my machine, I googled, found it was supposedly in xserver-xorg-dev,  I did an apt-get for that, it installed but still I dont have that file or related.  Any help?
[05:58] <TMKCodes> Why kubuntu has 4 blocked kernel updates?
[06:00] <shadeslayer> TMKCodes: try sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[06:00] <ghw> what is dist-upgrade
[06:01] <Serpardum> distribution upgrade
[06:01] <TMKCodes> is there upgrade to 9.04?
[06:01] <TMKCodes> oh well it worked xD
[06:01] <shadeslayer> TMKCodes: no,kernel upgrades and such are considerd as dist upgrades by apt
[06:01] <TMKCodes> ok.
[06:02] <ghw> different between dist-upgrade and upgrade
[06:02] <Zengol> Is there a way to make the update notifier to quit telling me to update to the new version of Kubuntu?
[06:06] <shadeslayer> hi can someone help me with kdde 4.3
[06:07] <shadeslayer> *kde
[06:16] <rohan> how do i prevent the adept updater from running on every startup?
[06:17] <rohan> i am using kubuntu 9.04
[06:17] <Zengol> That is what i want to know.
[06:18] <Zengol> I keep getting spammed to update to 9.04
[06:19] <rohan> oh, Zengol , what release are you on right now?
[06:19] <Zengol> 8.10
[06:19] <Zengol> I have not tried the release of 9.04 yet.
[06:20] <Zengol> I have it here, just that i am running an intel GPU.
[06:20] <Zengol> So i am not goin to try it yet.
[06:21] <rohan> Zengol: are there known problems with 9.04 and intel GPUs?
[06:21] <rohan> because i am on 9.04, and have an intel gpu
[06:22] <Zengol> Yes.
[06:22] <Zengol> Well, mainly at the most a very choppy desktop.
[06:22] <rohan> Zengol: can you please link me to bug report, or something?
[06:22] <Zengol> Hmm..
[06:22] <rohan> i am experiencing real slow and choppy desktop, yes
[06:23] <Zengol> are you running an Intel?
[06:23] <rohan> yes
[06:23] <Zengol> 945GMA?
[06:23] <Zengol> Or x3100?
[06:23] <rohan> 945GMA
[06:23] <Zengol> LMFAO!
[06:23] <Zengol> Sweet deal.
[06:23] <Zengol> Same as me. xD
[06:23] <Zengol> So you are having trouble heh.
[06:23] <Zengol> Ok, this is.
[06:24] <Zengol> Thing*
[06:24] <FloodBotK1> Zengol: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[06:24] <Zengol> Typea couple of line's for me will ya?
[06:24] <Zengol> Or rather.
[06:25] <Zengol> type in   /join 945gma
[06:52] <Zengol>  
[06:52] <SandGorgon> how do i install 64-bit java JRE ?
[06:56] <zaapiel> y0
[06:56] <zaapiel> any QT/kde app for ripping dvd's similiar to dvd::rip?
[06:56] <bazhang> k9copy
[06:56] <zaapiel> danke
[06:56] <bazhang> prego
[06:58] <muesli> anyone online from the uk, who's willing to help out an old amarok dev?
[07:05] <bazhang> !uk | muesli
[07:05] <muesli> thnx
[07:05] <bazhang> 100% chance there :)
[07:20] <neuroloops> bonsoir
[07:21] <dude> hey room
[07:35] <mikorn2> Any feedback/comments on running KDE 4.3 on Ubuntu 8.04.... any issues I should be aware of?
[07:38] <rohan> mikorn2: is it available already?
[07:39] <rohan> i think it's available only for 9.04, not 8.04
[07:39] <mikorn2> rohan: It can be installed regardless... which is why I am asking for feedback before I do it
[07:46] <shadeslayer> pulaski:
[07:46] <shadeslayer> whoops...sorry
[07:47] <shadeslayer> i have a 4.3 beta 2 question...anybody on beta 2 ?
[07:51] <rohan> shadeslayer: i have a question for you - the does the panel have the "spacer" widget by default?
[07:51] <shadeslayer> rohan: i cant even get into KDE 4.3.....kbuildsycoca4 crashes -_-
[07:52] <rohan> shadeslayer: hehe ok :D
[07:52] <shadeslayer> im finally filing it as a bug for 64 bit systems :|
[07:52] <rohan> any idea how to stop the update manager applet from starting every time?
[07:52] <shadeslayer> rohan: kde autostart manager?
[07:53] <rohan> shadeslayer: it's not listed there
[07:53] <shadeslayer> rohan: then you cant stop it :P
[07:54] <shadeslayer> rohan: could you paste a screenshot of kde 4.3 at imagebin?
[07:54] <rohan> shadeslayer: i am on kde 4.2.2, the one which comes by default with 9.04
[07:55] <shadeslayer> rohan: oh...i thought you were on 4.3
[07:59] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: what problem?
[08:01] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: same kbuildsycoca4
[08:01] <Mamarok> rohan: you can right click on the Update manager and close it, it will restart though on next reboot
[08:01] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: im seeing this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde4libs/+bug/199145
[08:01] <mikorn2> Any feedback/comments on running KDE 4.2.4 on Ubuntu 8.04.... any issues I should be aware of?
[08:01] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: and you are sure you updated everything?
[08:01] <rohan> Mamarok: that's exactly what i want to avoid :(
[08:01] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: yep
[08:02] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: no packages held back?
[08:02] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: no,upgrade went fine as well
[08:02] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: then something is wrong with your system, let me check that bug...
[08:02] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: http://paste.ubuntu.com/194075/
[08:04] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: that is certainly *not* that bug, it's resolved since ages :)
[08:04] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: where do you get that message? On start?
[08:05] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: no,i just ran amarok in a terminal
[08:05] <shadeslayer> in gnome
[08:05] <mikorn2> #ibus
[08:05] <mikorn2> !ibus
[08:06] <mikorn2> !kimpanel
[08:06] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: hold on...somethings happening
[08:06] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: its stuck in a loop : Updating system cache : 0....10..20..90..100...0..
[08:06] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: ... didn't you talk about KDE 4.3 earlier? That was my question...
[08:07] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: yes...the point is it gives the same error
[08:07] <Mamarok> mikorn2: do you have a question?
[08:07] <mikorn2> Any feedback/comments on running KDE 4.2.4 on Ubuntu 8.04.... any issues I should be aware of?
[08:07] <shadeslayer> KDE 4.3 loads up to the disk icon and when i click it i see a crash report
[08:08] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: ok, and why do you click on it?
[08:08] <mikorn2> Mamarok: same old question... how to type Vietnamese on Kubuntu without changing my locale. SKIM is completely broken and no longer supported. I understand the future is ibus and Kimpanel... but can't get info them
[08:08] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: because its just hung there for about half an hour
[08:08] <Mamarok> mikorn2: there is a backport of KDE 4.2.4 for Hardy?
[08:09] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: then something is wrong with KDM
[08:09] <shadeslayer> !info ibus > mikorn2
[08:09] <mikorn2> !info ibus
[08:09] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: i have gdm..not kdm
[08:09] <shadeslayer> maybe thats why?
[08:09] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: try it?
[08:09] <mikorn2> !info kimpanel
[08:09] <shadeslayer> sure
[08:09] <shadeslayer> one sec
[08:10] <Mamarok> mikorn2: try to google for it then :)
[08:10] <shanipribadi> !kontact
[08:10] <Mamarok> shanipribadi: what is your question?
[08:10] <mikorn2> Mamarok: I have... all I see is that it is currently marked as Wishlist and in review and needs packaging...
[08:11] <Mamarok> mikorn2: then you will have to wait, what app is it?
[08:11] <mikorn2> It is the planned replacement for SKIM/SCIM
[08:12] <shanipribadi> Mamarok: id like to know if i can make kontact behavior to minimze to an icon on the lower right corner of the screen
[08:12] <mikorn2> for alternate input methods (i.e. typing in alternate languages like Vietnamese)
[08:12] <Mamarok> mikorn2: hm, and SCIM doesn't work for you?
[08:12] <mikorn2> Nope
[08:12] <shanipribadi> Mamarok: like amarok, or akregator, or other things
[08:12] <Mamarok> mikorn2: check in google for a deb package of it, maybe you are lucky
[08:12] <shanipribadi> Mamarok: while on the topic, what is it called? all the icons on the lower right? so i can google it.
[08:13] <Mamarok> shanipribadi: no, kontact is an application suite, it will not reduce to the system tray
[08:13] <shadeslayer_> Mamarok: brb after reboot....kdm kicks in after all X sessions are killed
[08:13] <shadeslayer_> or is there a easier way?
[08:13] <Mamarok> shadeslayer_: replace gdm with kdm would be my first choice
[08:13] <shadeslayer_> Mamarok: done
[08:14] <Mamarok> shadeslayer_: it should start after boot then
[08:14] <shanipribadi> Mamarok: oh, ok, it's called system tray. So it is not possible to minimize it to system tray, or no one has implement it?
[08:14] <Mamarok> shanipribadi: no, it is not possible, as I said, it is an application suite
[08:14] <shanipribadi> Mamarok: ok, thanks
[08:15] <Mamarok> shanipribadi: but parts of it are in the system tray, like the calendar alarm and kmail
[08:15] <shanipribadi> Mamarok: yes i notice, but id be nice if itwass possible, so there would be no clutter of icons, only kontact. thank you
[08:17] <Mamarok> shanipribadi: no, it is not possible and never will be, sorry, there is no way to reduce an application suite into one icon in the system tray, and it would make no sense neither
[08:17] <Mamarok> shanipribadi: and you can configure the system tray to only show the icons you want to see
[08:18] <Mamarok> shanipribadi: just right click on the system tray border and open the settings
[08:19] <shanipribadi> Mamarok: hey, i just found out something.
[08:20] <shanipribadi> Mamarok: I can use akregator's icon to minimize kontact to systray
[08:20] <mikorn2> Mamarok: Yeah, good idea... I can get the debs... but the problem is configuration... what I need is documentation on how to configure it... which is why it is currently marked in KDE as "Needs Packaging"
[08:22] <shanipribadi> Mamarok: and apparently the icon name in system tray's settings is "kontact", not akregator. hmm. well, that works anyhow.
[08:23] <Mamarok> mikorn2: can't help you with it sorry, you will have to look into google for any docs
[08:23] <Mamarok> shanipribadi: surprising :) But I guess it's just Akregator when you click on it, right?
[08:24] <shanipribadi> Mamarok: nope. it's the whole thing. weird thing is it uses akregator's icon, and right clicking it only shows akregator's options
[08:25] <Mamarok> shanipribadi: I think it is an Akregator bug rather than Kontact minimized in the system tray
[08:26] <shanipribadi> Mamarok: well, I'll call it a feature :-)
[08:26] <Mamarok> shanipribadi: :)
[08:28] <Mamarok>  http://kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2.4 | 4.3 beta arrivig in Kubuntu Backports PPA (disable if you don't want it) https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/backports | Pastes: http://paste.ubuntu.com | Chatc in #kubuntu-offtopic
[08:28] <Mamarok> hm, not a success...
[08:29] <Tm_T> Mamarok: small typos only makes it more humane (;
[08:31] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: hey...
[08:31] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: i used dpkg-reconfigure to set kdm to default,but it didnt start on boot
[08:31] <Mamarok> Tm_T: should be ok now :)
[08:31] <Tm_T> indeed
[08:32] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: do you have a running X server?
[08:32] <shadeslayer> new topic?
[08:32] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: nope...
[08:32] <shanipribadi> Mamarok: anyway, apparently the kmail systray works also, so i can choose between those two. thank you for your help
[08:32] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: then run sudo kdm
[08:32] <Mamarok> shanipribadi: yaw :)
[08:32] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: tried that..it works with sudo kdm --daemon :)
[08:32] <shadeslayer> but i cant login
[08:33] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: how that?
[08:33] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: i can enter login and password...and then it comes back to tty
[08:34] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: try startx
[08:34] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: i can see that gdm is not started...but what i cannot see is that kdm was started
[08:35] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: even tried that :)...it starts a weird gnome session with large fonts and such
[08:35] <shadeslayer> huge grey panels,etc,etc
[08:35] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: hm, because your default session is Gnome....
[08:36] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: yeah...so how do i change it? i think there was a file you need to edit to change that
[08:36] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: do I remember correctly that your system has problems since quite some time?
[08:37] <milo_> hello guys
[08:37] <milo_> :D
[08:37] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: only with KDE 4.3,not with kde 4.2.4
[08:38] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: and you are sure everything is installed? Did you try reinstaling kdm and actually remove gdm?
[08:38] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: i have actually done all of that :)
[08:40] <bdgraue> shadeslayer: try to change the session that starts in the kdm menu?
[08:40] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: could you check what error message you have in /var/lock/Xorg.0.log?
[08:40] <shadeslayer> bdgraue: 1> i have no X , 2> i think kdm is not in the startup script,hence i have no X
[08:40] <Mamarok> args, /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[08:42] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: http://pastebin.com/f25cb8ffd
[08:42] <milo_> hi
[08:42] <shadeslayer> hey
[08:43] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: brb in 2 mins
[08:45] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: so any idea?
[08:46] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: still searching ... at least Xorg looks ok
[08:46]  * shadeslayer waits in a tty
[08:46] <milo_> what's going on?
[08:47] <Mamarok> milo_: do you have a question?
[08:47] <halberd> I'm enjoying my now perfectly functioning wacom tablet
[08:47] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: you are sure all your kdebase packages are installed, right?
[08:47] <milo_> yes.
[08:47] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: if you want to double check...you can give me a command
[08:48] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: sudo apt-get install kdebase-*
[08:48] <milo_> I want to enable desktop effects but it keeps telling me :drivers not found"
[08:48] <halberd> this will take some getting used to because you have to move your hand a lot to get the cursor around the screen
[08:48] <halberd> but it is great for things like making quick diagrams
[08:48] <milo_> where do I find such drivers?
[08:48] <Mamarok> milo_: what graphic card do you use?
[08:48] <shadeslayer> milo_: jockey-kde in krunner
[08:49] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: only if drivers are indeed installed, else you get nothing there
[08:49] <milo_> gimme a second.
[08:50] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: it also shows if the drivers are deactivated
[08:50] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: only proprietary drivers...
[08:50] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: what does your command do?
[08:50] <shadeslayer> yeah...since only they provide provide desktop effects
[08:50] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: jockey-kde ??
[08:51] <halberd> is it normal in kde for middle mouse button on selected text to copy it
[08:51] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: no, the commad for your kdebase packages....
[08:51] <halberd> and middle mouse button again to paste?
[08:51] <Mamarok> command*
[08:51] <Mamarok> halberd: no, only paste, not copy
[08:52] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: Broken packages :(
[08:52] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: see, I knew it...
[08:52] <Mamarok> could you paste that somewhere?
[08:52] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: http://pastebin.com/f29c9ceb8
[08:52] <halberd> hmm
[08:52] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: hehe....pastebinit :)
[08:52] <halberd> but selecting text automatically copies it
[08:53] <halberd> I see how this works
[08:53] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: I know...
[08:53] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: could you please do sudo apt-get install kdebase-workspace
[08:54] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: already installed
[08:54] <Mamarok> kdebase-plasma?
[08:54] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: installed...i think its kdebase-dev
[08:55] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: sudo apt-get install libkonq5-dev is installing packages :)(
[08:56] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: there is no kdebase-dev in 4.2.90, that is not a problem
[08:56] <shadeslayer> hmm
[08:57] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: read the output correctly...
[08:58] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: ah...i see..
[08:58] <halberd> mm the other thing about this tablet is, your writing appears several times larger on the screen
[08:58] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: just go through that list from the output, without kdebase-dev, as there is no package for 4.2.90
[08:58] <halberd> so you have to write really small to get an acceptable font size on screen
[08:58] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: dolphin,konqueror part ?
[08:58] <Mamarok> halberd: I can't really help, not a tablet person :(
[08:59] <milo_> i forgot to notify that i am a newbie to linux in general
[08:59] <halberd> I wonder if there's a way to tune that, say by a mode you press to temporarily shrink the writing area
[08:59] <milo_> please where can i find the "software sources" in kubuntu?
[08:59] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: what are you talking about? The kdebase packages the output gives you, try installing each, but not kdebase-dev
[08:59] <shadeslayer> ok
[08:59] <Mamarok> milo_: what Kubuntu are you using?
[09:00] <milo_> KDE4 i think
[09:00] <Mamarok> milo_: hm, 9.04 or 8.10?
[09:01] <milo_> Oupss. In fact im using ubuntu 9.04 and I have KDE installed on it. So it's not really kubuntu.
[09:01] <shanipribadi> Mamarok: i export contacts to kde adressbook from kopete, then i remove them from kaddressbook. Afterwards i try to export them again, but apparently kopete says it's already in the address book. One fix is to manually change the address book link per contacts, then you can export contacts again. Things is it's tedious. Do you have another idea?
[09:02] <shanipribadi> Mamarok: oh, is this a bug? cos if it is im going to file a bug report.
[09:02] <Mamarok> shanipribadi: kde adressbook is kaddressbook AFAIK
[09:03] <Mamarok> shanipribadi: unless I understand you wrong, you are doing something strange there :)
[09:03] <Mamarok> brb
[09:04] <halberd> How might one go about setting up a key to press, that when pressed slows down the mouse speed, and when pressed again returns it to normal?
[09:04] <shanipribadi> Mamarok: hmm.. what i meant was, that i export contacts from kopete to kde address book (it's KDE's address book system) , and manually delete the exported contacts using kaddressbook app (i think it's the program to edit your KDE Address Book)
[09:06] <milo_> please where can i find "software sources" in KDE?
[09:06] <bazhang> in /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:06] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: i seem to have installed everything i can think of....can you suggest something else??
[09:06] <shanipribadi> Mamarok: what i think is happening is that, when kopete exports contacts to the address book, it stores that information in it's own database somewhere, but when i removed the exported contacts with kaddressbook, kopete still thinks that the contacts are already exported (linked to the address book)
[09:07] <shadeslayer> milo_: kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:07] <shadeslayer> milo_: if you want a graphical interface install synaptic
[09:07] <shanipribadi> milo_: you can also try going to the package manager (add remove programs)
[09:07] <milo_> thanks. let me try it
[09:07] <shanipribadi> milo_: it's under settings i think
[09:08] <bazhang> shadeslayer, adept is for kubuntu
[09:08] <shanipribadi> is kpackagekit not enough?
[09:09] <shadeslayer> bazhang: adept??
[09:09] <shadeslayer> isnt that depreceated ??
[09:09] <bazhang> !info adept | shadeslayer
[09:09] <Tm_T> aye, it's optional, as kpackagekit is now default
[09:10] <shadeslayer> bazhang: i know its in the repo...but i thought KDE 4.2 onwards kpackagekit is used?
[09:10] <bazhang> better to suggest that than synaptic
[09:10] <shanipribadi> does synaptic works with kde?
[09:10] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: udate and upgrade once more, no missing gpg keys?
[09:10] <shadeslayer> bazhang: why cant i suggest synpatic?
[09:10] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: nope
[09:10] <shadeslayer> shanipribadi: why not?
[09:10] <shanipribadi> cos if it does, i think it's better to suggest synaptic
[09:11] <bazhang> shadeslayer, not everyone wants the gnome libs?
[09:11] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: you can't have done it in such a short time...
[09:11] <shanipribadi> shadeslayer: i was asking, cos ive never tried.
[09:11] <shanipribadi> bazhang: it uses the gnome libs? not only the gtk?
[09:11] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: i just did it before you asked?
[09:11] <shadeslayer> s/?/!
[09:11] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: ok, nothing to upgrade?
[09:11] <shanipribadi> bazhang: too bad then, if it only uses gtk, i wouldve use it.
[09:11] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: nope
[09:12] <shadeslayer> bazhang: point noted :)
[09:12] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: then you really have missing packages, I had some updates this morning...
[09:12] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: oh those? i upgraded them 2 hours ago
[09:14] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: I give up, no idea what is wrong, maybe somebody else can help then
[09:14] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: oh man, sudo apt-get install kde-* shows up alot of errors
[09:14] <shadeslayer> want to see?
[09:14] <Mamarok> paste it please
[09:21] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: ?
[09:27] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: I can't wait, have to go now, sorry, check with somebody else please
[09:28] <halberd> so I know from xev that these buttons on my tablet are buttons 9,10,11, and 12
[09:28] <halberd> how can I use that information to configure them?
[09:31] <shanipribadi> halberd: what did you want to assign it too?
[09:31] <shanipribadi> halberd: if it's already detected by xev, i think you can use configure shortcuts to assign them
[09:31] <halberd> ok
[09:34] <serenity> hi
[09:34] <serenity> want to update to kde 4.3b2 but 103 packages are hold back
[09:35] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: you there??
[09:36] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: http://pastebin.com/f4fbabeb8
[09:37] <bazhang> shadeslayer, she is afk
[09:38] <shadeslayer> bazhang: i saw it in the /wii after i posted
[09:38] <shadeslayer> bazhang: can you help me??
[09:39] <bazhang> shadeslayer, do what
[09:40] <shadeslayer> bazhang: please see the paste above. im trying to fix kde 4.3
[09:40] <shadeslayer> bazhang: according to Mamarok i have broken packages,so i am trying to manually install them
[09:42] <bazhang> shadeslayer, this is the experimental 4.3 from backports or a ppa?
[09:42] <shadeslayer> bazhang: backports
[09:42] <shadeslayer> bazhang: should i install from the PPA ?
[09:44] <bazhang> shadeslayer, backports then, no idea as I am on the stable version currently
[09:44] <shadeslayer> bazhang: oh ok
[09:46]  * shadeslayer thinks of downgrading
[09:47] <shadeslayer> ok,im downgrading
[09:52] <Wizzir> whoa
[09:52] <shadeslayer> Wizzir: what happened?
[09:52] <Wizzir> alot of users and nobody's chatting
[09:53] <Wizzir> hello, btw :)
[09:53] <shadeslayer> Wizzir: hehe...if youve got a solution to my problem,im willing to chat
[09:54] <milo_> haha
[09:54] <shadeslayer> milo_: its a give and take relationship :P
[09:54] <Wizzir> shadeslayer: what problem? wanna try kde4.3?
[09:55] <shadeslayer> Wizzir: yep...unfourtunatley im having dependency problems *every* time i upgrade
[09:55] <milo_> shadeslayer: I understand. lol
[09:55] <Wizzir> hmm.. i would try to build it from source
[09:55]  * shadeslayer has upgraded and downgraded 3 times alreday
[09:55] <milo_> what's the real error message u r getting?
[09:56] <shadeslayer> milo_: kbuildsycoca4 crashed
[09:56] <Wizzir> and playing with PATH and ld.so.conf
[09:56] <shadeslayer> Wizzir: http://pastebin.com/f4fbabeb8
[09:56] <shadeslayer> Wizzir: path and ld.so.conf ?
[09:57] <Wizzir> nah, shadeslayer are you familiar with building from source?
[09:57] <shadeslayer> Wizzir: ive always failed at that,but is it advisable for binary systems such as kubuntu?
[09:58] <Wizzir> shadeslayer: at least you won't break anything
[09:58] <shadeslayer> Wizzir: if it is a small download and takes 2-3 commands to build,im willing to try
[09:58] <Wizzir> lol, nope
[09:59] <shadeslayer> Wizzir: how many commands then?
[09:59] <Wizzir> alot
[09:59] <shadeslayer> Wizzir: leave it then :)
[09:59] <Wizzir> ok
[09:59] <shadeslayer> ok i need a reboot to get gnome back up , lost gdm in the process of install 4.3 ;)
[10:00] <Wizzir> loool
[10:00] <Wizzir> that's a cool channel, i'm staing :D
[10:03] <milo_> please hw can i join "ubuntu" channel?
[10:03] <shadeslayer> thank god i have gnome working :)
[10:03] <shadeslayer> milo_: /join #ubuntu
[10:03] <milo_> thks
[10:06] <Peace-> hey guys i added the repo for kde 4.3 beta2
[10:06] <Peace-> but i can't see the packages on update stuff
[10:06] <shadeslayer> Peace-: just sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:07] <Wizzir> does anybody know a good sql tool for kde?
[10:07] <Peace-> gpg key is needed?
[10:07] <Peace-> shadeslayer: i am still on kde 4.2.4 after uddate && sudo apt-get upgrade
[10:07] <Peace-> shadeslayer: i need to do dist-upgrade?
[10:07] <Peace-> let's try
[10:08] <shadeslayer> Peace-: yes!!
[10:08] <Wizzir> Peace-: check if apt holds some packages or informs about packages not beaing updated
[10:08] <Peace-> shadeslayer: you saved my time
[10:09] <shadeslayer> Peace-: it worked?
[10:09] <Peace-> Wizzir: doesn't matter i have my iso xD if it fuck my distro on 20 minutes i have everything
[10:09] <Peace-> shadeslayer: ya
[10:09] <Wizzir> :>
[10:09] <Peace-> i called kubuntu studio remix hihihih
[10:09] <shadeslayer> Peace-: best of luck :)... i couldnt get 4.3 to work :(
[10:10] <Wizzir> nah, sometimes i feel like a dinosaur
[10:10] <e-jat> shadeslayer: y?
[10:10] <shadeslayer> e-jat: br0ken packages :'(
[10:10] <Peace-> hahahaha
[10:10] <Peace-> sudo apt-get -f install
[10:11] <e-jat> yeah .. -f install
[10:11] <shadeslayer> Peace-: _nothing_ works :''(
[10:11] <Peace-> well will see :d
[10:11] <shadeslayer> im installing kubuntu-desktop all over again.....
[10:11] <e-jat> same thing happend to me while upgrading from jaunty to karmic .
[10:12] <shadeslayer> e-jat: youre on karmic?
[10:12] <e-jat> there a some conflict package that i need to purge ..
[10:12] <e-jat> shadeslayer: yeap
[10:12] <shadeslayer> e-jat: cool...how did you upgrade?
[10:12] <cortex_sk> karmic & kde4.3 ftw!
[10:12] <e-jat> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade :)
[10:12] <e-jat> cortex_sk: \o/
[10:13] <shadeslayer> e-jat: oh...you edited the sources.list?
[10:13] <Wizzir> hmm
[10:14] <Wizzir> is this dev channel?
[10:14] <shadeslayer> Wizzir: nope...
[10:14] <Wizzir> so why is everybody using development version? :P
[10:14] <e-jat> shadeslayer: yes
[10:15] <e-jat> Wizzir: maybe to gain experience :)
[10:15] <shadeslayer> e-jat: ok..im thinking of upgrading :)...next week maybe
[10:15] <e-jat> shadeslayer: good luck
[10:15] <Wizzir> good old "learning by breaking?"
[10:15] <shadeslayer> i have the alpha 1 alternate CD :)
[10:15] <shadeslayer> Wizzir: yeah
[10:15] <e-jat> Wizzir: yeah ..
[10:16] <e-jat> shadeslayer: im half day without gui when its breaks
[10:16]  * shadeslayer wonders if e-jat's brain is working on the same frequency
[10:16] <e-jat> u mean ?
[10:16] <shadeslayer> e-jat: so karmic *does* break?? someone told me it rarely breaks
[10:16] <e-jat> need to think n do some try n error ..
[10:16] <e-jat> shadeslayer: for me currently working flawlessly ..
[10:17] <e-jat> with my old thinkpad t61
[10:17] <shadeslayer> e-jat: what do you do when it breaks?
[10:17] <shadeslayer> e-jat: like basic apt-get commands ??
[10:17] <Mamarok> guys, is this still on topic?
[10:17] <e-jat> shadeslayer: kubuntu-devel :)
[10:18] <Peace-> ok guys made
[10:18] <shadeslayer> e-jat: sure
[10:18] <Peace-> rebooting xD
[10:18] <Mamarok> chat is in #kubuntu-offtopic
[10:18] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: did you see that paste?
[10:18] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: we were discussing karmic :)
[10:19] <Wizzir> :/
[10:19] <Wizzir> i hate using mibbit
[10:19] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: karmic discussion goes to #ubuntu+1, you know that
[10:20] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: that about kde-*? it's totally useless
[10:20] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: yes...im installing 4.2 atm
[10:21] <Mamarok> ok, and be more careful next time before you install beta packages
[10:21] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: what do you suggest ? apart from that?
[10:21] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: but I think I already told you that :/
[10:21] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: as you have Gnome anyway, run synaptic and go to the PPA origin, then check that you really ave all the necessary packages
[10:21] <Mamarok> that would be the last idea I had
[10:21] <shadeslayer> ok
[10:22] <Mamarok> but if you are installing 4.2 it's too late for that, and don't go beta again, please, we've done that debugging often enough now :(
[10:22] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: i think its just the 64 bit packages :(
[10:22] <shadeslayer> yeah...
[10:22] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: I run 64bit here and have no problems, but then, I don't install stuff "accidentally"...
[10:23] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: hehe...ok my bad..btw you also had broken packages ?? which server are you using btw?
[10:23] <drurew> !mailserver
[10:23] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: PPA is always on the main server
[10:24] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: oh..youre using the PPA..i was using the backports repo
[10:24] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: you sure, not the backports PPA?
[10:24] <Mamarok> as KDE 4.3 is in the PPA only in Jaunty
[10:24] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: one sec..
[10:24] <Peace-> thank you guys
[10:25] <Peace-> here is working with kde 4.3beta
[10:25] <Peace-> 2
[10:25] <shadeslayer> Peace-: :'(
[10:25] <Mamarok> Peace-: nice :)
[10:25] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: # deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ jaunty-backports main restricted univer$
[10:25] <Peace-> well i had to type sudo apt-get -f install but it's woking :D
[10:26] <shadeslayer> Peace-: sudo apt-get -f install <what?>
[10:26] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: there is no KDE 4.3 beta in the official backports...
[10:27] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: \o/
[10:27] <Peace-> shanipribadi: nothing just that
[10:27] <Mamarok> Peace-: wrong nick I think :)
[10:27] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: was it removed?
[10:28] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: it never was there
[10:28] <drurew> !gpg
[10:28] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: please paste your sources.list
[10:28] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: but i saw it yesterday,it said that users of 9.04 can install via backports
[10:28] <shadeslayer> ok
[10:28] <Peace-> Mamarok: what?
[10:29] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: http://pastebin.com/f263495a8
[10:29] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: read the topic correctly...
[10:29] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: i have read it,but on the site it said backports yessterday
[10:29] <shadeslayer> *yesterday
[10:29] <Guest7550> hi all !
[10:30] <shadeslayer> Guest7550: hi
[10:30] <Wizzir> hi
[10:30] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: you have backports enabled for universe but not for main... check your sources list and clean it up...
[10:30] <shadeslayer> ack!!!
[10:31] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: are you sure its not in backports??
[10:31] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: absolutely, read the topic, it never said backports, always backports PPA...
[10:40] <shanipribadi> Mamarok: when kde4.3 final is released, will jaunty users get it from ubuntu-updates or do we have to use the ppa you think?
[10:42] <Mamarok> shanipribadi: no idea, it's possible it will be backported after some time
[10:42] <shanipribadi> Mamarok: okay, thanks.
[10:43] <drurew> !apache2
[10:44] <Mamarok> drurew: can we help you?
[10:45] <Wizzir> :)
[10:48] <Mamarok> drurew: for all things server related you can also get help in #ubuntu-server
[10:56] <Rishab> hey all
[11:00] <Rishab> im facing problem while opening open office
[11:00] <aditya> what is the problem Rishab?
[11:00] <Rishab> actually its not opening
[11:01] <aditya> have you tried to reinstall it?
[11:01] <Rishab> i selected many times but the nothin worked
[11:01] <Rishab> yeah i did the re-installation too
[11:02] <aditya> which version r u using?
[11:02] <Rishab> 2.0
[11:02] <Rishab> is there any process concerns abt that >
[11:02] <Rishab> aditiay
[11:03] <aditya> not that i know of any....i recommend u remove 2.0 and go for 3.0 its much more better
[11:03] <Rishab> aditya but thats not the solution I am looking for
[11:03] <aditya> u want to stick to 2.0?
[11:04] <Rishab> not xactly
[11:04] <Rishab> but atleast  the prob. should get traced
[11:04] <Rishab> hope any one culd help me
[11:06] <milo_> please what does this mean? "This aptitude does not have Super Cow Powers"
[11:07] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: im going to do a full reinstall
[11:09] <Peace-> shadeslayer: use remastersys
[11:09] <Peace-> create your own iso and use that
[11:09] <Peace-> with stable packages
[11:10] <Peace-> then yoi can enjoy breaking the distro xD
[11:10] <shadeslayer> Peace-: nope,ill do a full and proper reinstall...ive fattened ubuntu too much ;)
[11:10]  * shadeslayer grabs torrent
[11:10] <Peace-> hahahah
[11:13] <milo_> This aptitude does not have Super Cow Powers. what's the meaning ?
[11:18] <jussi01> milo_: it means you did something wrong and it cant understand you
[11:20] <jussi01> milo_: what was the command you gave?
[11:21] <v3trae> Hey guys, getting an error while trying to compile my wifi driver, compile is listed atthe following URL: http://pastebin.com/m28f0c408
[11:22] <igor_> Can someone help me with keyboard layout switch. I managed to bind it to Ctrl+Shift, but now hotkeys in other applications starting with Ctrl+Shift do not work. (For example in eclipse I press Ctrl+Shift+Space and it changes layout and acts as I pushed ctrl+Space :( ) I'm running Kubuntu Jounty
[11:23] <milo_> aptitude --help
[11:34] <igor_> Can someone help me with keyboard layout switch. I managed to bind it to Ctrl+Shift, but now hotkeys in other applications starting with Ctrl+Shift do not work. (For example in eclipse I press Ctrl+Shift+Space and it changes layout and acts as I pushed ctrl+Space :( ) I'm running Kubuntu Jounty
[11:34] <Peace-> !offtopic | peace
[11:35] <Peace-> xD
[11:35] <Peace-> sorry
[11:45] <drurew> !interfaces
[11:45] <drurew> !eth1
[11:45] <drurew> !ifconfig
[11:47] <Mamarok> drurew: please, do not abuse the bot, just ask your question
[11:51] <Mamarok> drurew: also, they way you use the bot you will never get any useful answer :/
[11:51] <drurew> oh sorry fellas im trying to setup my new vps with various things ass well as thrying to get my two home boxes to function as one, im not getting very far :(
[11:51] <Mamarok> !vps
[11:52] <drurew> virtual private server
[11:52] <drurew> kinda like a jail
[11:52] <Mamarok> !vpn
[11:52] <Mamarok> hm, gaming?
[11:53] <drurew> home box one keeps pushing up the number of (true eth0) to eth29 , eth30 etc
[11:53] <drurew> no gaming
[11:53] <drurew> programming books on opensource languages
[11:54] <Mamarok> drurew: I guess that's the kind of question you should ask in #ubuntu-server
[11:54] <drurew> yeah server room isnt very helpfull, they have their things to do with new bugs and stuff
[11:55] <Mamarok> drurew: I am not of much help for that neither, did you search in the forums?
[12:01] <mkargar__> how to enable DSL tab in the KnetworkManager(Plasmoid Applet) for setting ADSL(PPPOE) Connection?(I have FiberHome Modem!)
[12:01] <mkargar__> i using pppoeconf,But,I have recieve this error!:http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/192688/
[12:03] <drurew> could someone take a look at this and hit me with ideas of how this could happen ? thanks http://paste.ubuntu.com/194251/
[12:05] <Mamarok> mkargar__: check if there is no other pppoe instance running, else it is an access problem
[12:06] <Mamarok> drurew: I have no idea, sorry
[12:06] <drurew> .)
[12:06] <drurew> me too
[12:07] <Mamarok> drurew: as the setting of a VPN is pretty much the same in KDE as in Gnome, try asking in #ubuntu, they might know more
[12:08] <drurew> join #ubuntu
[12:08] <drurew>  /join #ubuntu
[12:08] <Mamarok> drurew: without the space :)
[12:08] <TheOV> /join #ubuntu :D
[12:09] <TheOV> /say ftw
[12:09] <Mamarok> TheOV: I thik he got it :)
[12:09] <drurew> no way
[12:09] <Mamarok> TheOV: and you behave!
[12:09] <drurew> i cant believe it , i leave here for one second.....
[12:09] <drurew> :)
[12:10] <mkargar__> Mamarok:how to check?
[12:11] <mkargar__> *and how to kill it?
[12:11] <Mamarok> mkargar__: killall -9 pppoe I guess, if this is the command name
[12:12] <Mamarok> !modem
[12:12] <Mamarok> mkargar__: check that link above^^
[12:12] <cpvb3861> fuck off
[12:12] <cpvb3861> ihr schwanz luuuutscher
[12:13] <drurew> lutch mein finger
[12:13] <Mamarok> drurew: behave!!!
[12:13] <drurew> :D
[12:14] <Mamarok> drurew: not funny at all!
[12:14] <drurew> i agree
[12:14] <mkargar__> Mamarok:killall -9 pppoe doesn't work!that link not about PPPOE!
[12:15] <muslih> Someone help me please.... I'd use KDENLIVE but when I try to dv capture, the program indicates that the capture just stopped ... what should I do??? please help & thanks..........
[12:15] <Mamarok> mkargar__: then I don't know, sorry
[12:16] <mkargar__> Mamarok:my modem(FiberHome) using http://192.168.1.1 for Connection and use PPPOE!how to disble it?
[12:17] <Mamarok> mkargar__: I just said, I don't know, you will have to wait for somebody else to help you
[12:17] <mkargar__> Mamarok::(
[12:17] <Limette> Anyone know how to mount NTFS devices ? if i click on them in dolphin, nothing happens :/
[12:18] <drurew> Limette: NTFS isnt an officially supported filesystem under linux, you will have to force mount which can lead to complications
[12:18] <Limette> well, it used to work before :/
[12:19] <drurew> Limette: lemme get you a link
[12:19] <Mamarok> Limette: because it was mounted automatically in previous versions, you need to add it to /etc/fstab/
[12:20] <Limette> drurew: okay :)
[12:20] <drurew> Limette: http://lifehacker.com/203102/ubuntu-tip--how-to-mount-a-windows-ntfs-partition
[12:20] <Limette> drurew: Thank you
[12:20] <Mamarok> !ntfs
[12:21] <Mamarok> drurew: that would be the official link to give^^
[12:21] <drurew> Mamarok: tx
[12:21] <Mamarok> drurew: yaw :)
[12:21] <muslih> !raw1394
[12:21] <muslih> !KINO
[12:22] <muslih> !Kdenlive
[12:22] <Mamarok> !factoids
[12:23] <Mamarok> muslih, drurew check that link above for the available factoids, please
[12:23] <drurew> Mamarok: sweet
[12:25] <muslih> Mamarok, I feel so frustation wheen I'd use program but it do not seem supported or documented...
[12:26] <Mamarok> muslih: it certainly is somewhere, let me see...
[12:26] <Mamarok> !adsl
[12:26] <Mamarok> muslih: there you go :)
[12:27] <muslih> Mamarok, this is about dv capturing not ADSL or like that....
[12:28] <Mamarok> muslih: ouch, sorry, wrong user :(
[12:29] <muslih> Mamarok, oops... sorry too...
[12:33] <Peace-> hey guys
[12:33] <Peace-> blender has not audio here
[12:33] <Mamarok> Peace-: does the audio work elsewhere?
[12:33] <drurew> Peace-: poor blender
[12:33] <drurew> :)
[12:34] <Peace-> Mamarok: kdenlive works great , amarok idem
[12:34] <Mamarok> drurew: please stop playing the funny bone, no need for that in a support channel
[12:35] <Mamarok> Peace-: hm, I don't know blender, maybe some known problem, did you check on bugs.launchpad.net?
[12:35] <Peace-> nope i was asking here for some blender expert
[12:35] <Peace-> before going in launchpad to say a lots of bad words
[12:35] <Peace-> xD
[12:36] <drurew> Mamarok: my bad
[12:36] <Mamarok> Peace-: I asked if you searched for existing reports...
[12:37] <Peace-> and i said no ;D
[12:37] <drurew> Peace-: is there anyother application hogging your sound device?
[12:37] <Peace-> mmm maybe fucking flash
[12:37] <Mamarok> language...
[12:38] <Mamarok> Peace-: please respect the rules here
[12:39] <Peace-> yea yea
[12:41] <muslih> Mamarok, I've got problem with kdenlive ... can u help me?...
[12:42] <Mamarok> muslih: no, sorry, I don't do video stuff at all
[12:43] <Peace-> muslih: expert here
[12:43] <Peace-> what's your problem
[12:43] <Mamarok> oh, great :)
[12:43] <dwidmann> why is it that in 9.04 the "root (hd0,0)" (or similar, as appropriate) is no longer prepended to all the boot options for grub?
[12:44] <Peace-> Mamarok: well i am the scripter
[12:44] <Peace-> of automtic kdenlive westely maker
[12:44] <Mamarok> dwidmann: are you sure?
[12:44] <dwidmann> Mamarok: hmm, doesn't seem to be there for me anyway, and if that's a problem on my end, how can I get automagic to add it back?
[12:45] <Peace-> muslih: i don't stay here all day
[12:45] <dwidmann> Mamarok: hmm, this might have something to do with it: "groot=5a8eab55-3177-4f65-b2b6-76ef882badea"
[12:45] <Mamarok> dwidmann: that is something you only need for other OS AFAIK
[12:45] <dwidmann> Mamarok: precisely why I'm having issues.
[12:46] <Mamarok> dwidmann: I have it here for Vista, automatic Grub generated by Jaunty
[12:46] <dwidmann> Mamarok: I have >1 distros installed, the other grub is the one it shows first (seeing as I installed it first), so after I switch configfiles ... well, yeah
[12:46] <Mamarok> actually menu.lst
[12:47] <Mamarok> dwidmann: you should check the UUID for the other distros kernel then
[12:47] <Mamarok> !uuid
[12:47] <dwidmann> Mamarok: so in the other menu.lst I have "root (hd0,0) \n configfile /boot/grub/menu.lst" to get my Kubuntu menu, but nothing's bootable because the "root (hd0,0)" line isn't present on any of them
[12:48] <dwidmann> (only the title, kernel, and initrd lines are there)
[12:49] <Mamarok> dwidmann: you don't need the hd0,0 anymore if you gtive the UUID
[12:49] <Mamarok> -t
[12:49] <dwidmann> hmm, groot=5a8eab55-3177-4f65-b2b6-76ef882badea may be the problem, it should be groot=UUID=...
[12:50] <Mamarok> dwidmann: are you sure? check the beginning of the menu.lst for the syntax, it should tell some infos there
[12:51] <dwidmann> Mamarok: I'm pretty sure about this bit, I changed that and did update-grub, it added a new standalone "uuid ....." line, hopefully that functions in place of "root (hd0,0)"
[12:51] <Mamarok> dwidmann: it certainly does for Debian like systems, don't know if other distros use the UUID address
[12:52] <Mamarok> dwidmann: check the correct uuid address with sudo blkid
[12:53] <dwidmann> Mamarok: oh, the UUID is definitely correct ... What I'm wondering is if it will work with that "uuid" line after the "title" line though
[12:53] <dwidmann> One way to find out though, be back in 5
[12:57] <dwidmann> Mamarok: hmm, that didn't do the trick :\
[12:59] <Mamarok> dwidmann: sad to hear :(
[13:02] <dwidmann> Mamarok: guess I'll just set groot to (hd0,0) and update-grub because I know that'll work.
[13:03] <nico_> Hi. I've just migrated from Thunderbird to KMail. Everything is fine except that all my messages are marked unread and I have a complex folder structure. How do I recursively mark as unread?
[13:05] <Mamarok> nico_: you can mark all mails to "read" in a folder AFAIK
[13:06] <nico_> Mamarok: I tried that but it's not recursively :)
[13:07] <Mamarok> nico_: set the "go to next unread" to recursive in the settings and use the shortcuts? Can't imagine something else for now
[13:09] <muslih> Peace: Hi, still there are you?
[13:09] <Mamarok> nico_: but maybe the folks in #kmail can tell you something else
[13:13] <muslih> Well, no one can help my problem within this channel, I better quit...
[13:14] <nico_> Mamarok: Ok. Will check there, thanks!
[13:15] <Mamarok> nico_: yaw :)
[13:18] <dollarbang1> good morning, at least it is here in Atlanta
[13:18] <Mamarok> hi dollarbang1
[13:19] <nico_> Mamarok: The only guy in that channel is idle for three days now. I guess this problem can wait. I have one other problem though. After the migration I copied the ~/.kde/share/apps/kmail dir and kmailrc to my notebook on which I'm working now. Everything got transfered fine except the messages in my inbox and sent mail. Any suggestions?
[13:20] <Mamarok> nico_: you should try to import those
[13:20] <Mamarok> nico_: gave you the wrong channel, try #kdepim
[13:21] <nico_> Mamarok: I'd rather do an rsync from time to time, so I'd rather avoid the GUI
[13:21] <Mamarok> that's not the good one neither...
[13:21] <nico_> :)
[13:21] <Mamarok> nico_: it's #kontact, sorry
[13:22] <nico_> np
[13:23] <nico_> Not the correct one either: "User questions should go to #kde"
[13:24] <Mamarok> right... learned something new today then :)
[13:25] <nico_> :) Ah well. Let's see what they have to say.
[13:27] <fakha> Vsem privet
[13:27] <fakha> Est govoryashie?
[13:28] <Mamarok> fakha: English only, please
[13:28] <fakha> I'm just cheking, does anybody speaks russian
[13:29] <fakha> ?
[13:29] <Mamarok> !ru | fakha
[13:29] <nico_> fakha: No, but Czech.
[13:29] <Mamarok> nico_: not here...
[13:29] <nico_> Mamarok: That's right!
[13:29] <Mamarok> :)
[13:30] <Agent24> Hi. after installing kubuntu 9.04 on a toshiba satellite A10 ( with intel extreme graphics 2/i852) kubuntu ran fine but after going to windows, and then rebooting back to kubuntu, I have graphical corruption when X tries to start (and then promptly stops again) and the CLI is flickering/jumping around. It works perfectly in windows though.
[13:31] <Agent24> I have tried booting into recovery mode and running the x fix tool but that did not help
[13:31] <Mamarok> Agent24: did you change anything before your last logout of KDE?
[13:31] <OOT> Hello kubuntuers...
[13:31] <Mamarok> hi OOT
[13:32] <Agent24> I didn't do much, just changed the desktop to folder view
[13:32] <Agent24> changed the software source server to a faster one
[13:32] <OOT> hi Mamarok... I need help...
[13:32] <Agent24> that's about it
[13:32] <Mamarok> Agent24: no update?
[13:32] <Mamarok> !ask | OOT
[13:32] <Agent24> I didn't run the updates (yet)
[13:33] <Agent24> just reloaded the package list for the new server
[13:33] <Mamarok> Agent24: normal udates you mean, no PPA sources added or such?
[13:33] <Agent24> yeah just the standard updates, there were about 70 listed but i didn't do anything
[13:34] <Mamarok> Agent24: you should do those first, then
[13:34] <OOT> Please help me, how to capture raw data from dv capture with kdenlive?
[13:34] <Agent24> ok, I will try to install them from the commandline
[13:34] <Mamarok> OOT: why did you change your nick?
[13:35] <OOT> I am diferent man but use same computer with my brother...
[13:35] <Mamarok> OOT: also, for raw data you should check if you have all packages installed
[13:36] <Mamarok> OOT: with the same question...
[13:37] <OOT> Mamarok: I have installed all needed by kdenlive, include libraw1394 and kernel module raw 1394 also loaded, /dev/raw1394 exists. But kdenlive do not seem able to grab raw data from dv camera...
[13:38] <Mamarok> OOT: I don't do video, can't help you, sorry (which I already told muslih before btw)
[13:40] <OOT> Mamarok: so were I can find help? Is there any documentation for this?
[13:40] <Mamarok> OOT: try the forums, they might know more
[13:41] <Mamarok> OOT: but search for it first
[13:42] <OOT> Mamarok: That was the problem too, I am in-out ubuntu and kubuntu forum but did not find any solver...
[13:42] <Mamarok> OOT: well, try to google then, there is certainly some info out there
[13:43] <OOT> Mamarok: Ok thanks my friend and my apologies if so bother you... I'll try...
[13:44] <Mamarok> OOT: yaw :)
[13:48] <Agent24> Thanks Mamarok, it's working again now!
[13:49] <dwidmann> Can somebody grab me a link to a mirror for the vlc 1.0.0-rc3 source? (the mirror it's auto-forcing me to is completely crushed, I can't get above 4kbs from it)
[13:51] <bobbob1016> How can I delete a big folder?  It says the folder is bigger than my trash, which it is, where is the delete immediately option?
[13:52] <dwidmann> wait, took a while but it finally gave me another one
[13:53] <dwidmann> bobbob1016: shift + delete
[13:54] <bazhang> http://www.videolan.org/mirror-geo.php?file=testing/vlc-1.0.0-rc3/vlc-1.0.0-rc3.tar.bz2 dwidmann this?
[13:54] <bobbob1016> dwidmann: Is there a shortcut way?  As in can I right-click send to trash, then say delete directly?
[13:55] <dwidmann> bobbob1016: well, assuming you're using dolphin or konqueror, you can put the delete option in the context menu
[13:55] <bazhang> dwidmann, there are other sources as well if you wish
[13:55] <dwidmann> bazhang: the thing is it doesn't let you pick the mirror, it picks it for you
[13:55] <bobbob1016> And how would I put it in the context menu?  New to KDE
[13:56] <dwidmann> bobbob1016: settings -> configure dolphin (assuming you're using dolphin), the general tab
[13:57] <bazhang> http://download.videolan.org/pub/videolan/testing/vlc-1.0.0-rc3/ dwidmann
[13:57] <bobbob1016> dwidmann: Oh, ok, "show delete command"
[13:57] <dwidmann> bazhang: it's okay, like I'd said a few minutes earlier, it finally fed me a different mirror, about five-ten minutes later
[13:58] <bazhang> dwidmann, okay
[14:18] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[14:31] <eMyller> i want a text expander app \=
[14:32] <reagleBRKLN> when you hit an alternative shortcut for home page in konqie, does it open a new tab? could you try and weigh in on https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=190252
[14:46] <SiVA_> when my sound all of a sudden stops working, what can I do short of restarting the computer? Any process I can kill?
[15:28] <ocs> hi. how can I enter into a dir of a remote host, through ssh, with konqueror ?
[15:29] <tsimpson> use sftp://user@host
[15:30] <ocs> tsimpson: thanks this is what I need
[15:30] <[GuS]> hi guys.. i recenlty upgraded to kde4.3 beta 2 and the package python-kde4 does not exist in that repos... is w known problem?
[15:34] <tsimpson> [GuS]: ask in #kubuntu-devel please
[15:34] <Mamarok> [GuS]: it's there
[15:34] <tsimpson> Mamarok: kdebindings is not built
[15:34] <[GuS]> Mamarok: is not
[15:35] <Mamarok> tsimpson: I have the python-kde4 package, it says 4.2.90
[15:35] <[GuS]> tsimpson: ok... i just asked always here in the past times..
[15:35] <[GuS]> Mamarok: i do have installed to, but is not in repositories ANYMORE
[15:35] <tsimpson> Mamarok: "#  Deleted  on 2009-06-09  by Jonathan Riddell  "
[15:35] <tsimpson> so it's not there any more
[15:35] <[GuS]> and i need to reinstall it, cause creates a symlink inside python plugins, which points to nowhere
[15:36] <[GuS]> and that conflicts with some apps of pythons
[15:36] <Mamarok> tsimpson: thx, didn't check in the PPA
[15:37] <tsimpson> [GuS]: the deb's are still available from the librarian: https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/experimental/+sourcepub/646309/+listing-archive-extra
[15:38] <bernd__> hi
[15:39] <bernd__> spricht hier jemand deutsch???
[15:39] <bazhang> !de
[15:40] <bernd__> ok danke
[15:46] <powerslave> wazaaaaaaaaaa
[15:46] <Mamarok> powerslave: behave!
[15:47] <powerslave> what did i say what did i do
[15:48] <Mamarok> powerslave: you know very well, please respect the channel rules
[15:48] <powerslave> ok
[15:50] <danierie> hi how is the gconf editor named in kubuntu?
[15:51] <TMKCodes> why on kubuntu 9.04 my huawei e169 does not work out of the box? with ubuntu and fedora 11 it works.
[15:51] <genii> danierie: Since there is no KDE equivelent of the Gnome registry, there is no thing like the gconf editor
[15:52] <danierie> ok and am I able to install compiz like on ubuntu?
[15:53] <genii> danierie: If you like, but Compiz on the newer KDE versions is discouraged since it has already a built-in composite effects system
[15:54] <danierie> ok sorry i'm not the best in english.. do you mean theres already something like compiz in kde?
[15:55] <genii> danierie: Yes.
[15:55] <TMKCodes> danierie: yes there is. System settings->desktop->desktop effects
[15:55] <danierie> thanks
[15:55] <danierie> and there is a desktop cube too?
[15:55] <Mamarok> danierie: yes
[15:57] <danierie> and how i can change how many desktops i want?
[15:58] <danierie> virtual desktops or?
[15:58] <Polariod> Hello, I have a problem. Or my friend has one.
[16:00] <genii> Polariod: Best to just describe the problem, and then see if an answer may be offered.
[16:00] <Mamarok> danierie: exactly
[16:00] <Polariod> He tried to use partition magic on his WinXP system to transfer hdd space from one partition to another, however this failed, and now his system wont boot up. I've been tasked with trying to save some data from his harddrive. Can I do this using a kubuntu live cd?
[16:00] <tonyf12> Anyone care to give me the IP address of Freenode so I can join with a proper irc client? It's giving me DNS errors.
[16:00] <leandro_> cOMO INSTALO O REAL PLAYER 11
[16:00] <leandro_> NO UBUNTU ULTIMATE 2.1
[16:00] <Mamarok> !it | leandro_
[16:00] <leandro_> 64 BITS
[16:00] <TMKCodes> tonyf12: chat.freenode.net
[16:01] <danierie> but kde needs a better graphical device and more ram?
[16:01] <Mamarok> leandro_: do not shout, please
[16:01] <leandro_> HOW I INSTALL REAL PLAYER?
[16:01] <leandro_> NO UBUNTU UE 2.1?
[16:01] <Mamarok> leandro_: please disable the capital letters
[16:01] <genii> !br | leandro_
[16:01] <leandro_> ALGUEM DO BRASIL?
[16:01] <Mamarok> !br | leandro_
[16:01] <leandro_> YES
[16:01] <leandro_> SOU BRASILEIRO
[16:01] <tonyf12> TMKCodes: The domain is right, but it still gives DNS errors. I can access it from my iPod, my Windows PC, just not this PC.
[16:01] <genii> leandro_: eg:  /join #ubuntu-br
[16:02] <leandro_> I DONT'T UNDERSTAND
[16:02] <leandro_> NOVICE HERE
[16:02] <leandro_> FIRST
[16:02] <Polariod> My friend tried to use partition magic on his WinXP system to transfer hdd space from one partition to another, however this failed, and now his system wont boot up. I've been tasked with trying to save some data from his harddrive. Can I do this using a kubuntu live cd?
[16:03] <leandro_> #UNTUNTU-BR
[16:03] <genii> Polariod: When this process failed, it may have left the partition table information very messy. There is some hope you could retrieve data however
[16:03] <genii> leandro_: /join #ubuntu-br
[16:04] <Mamarok> leandro_: disable CapsLock, please
[16:04] <genii> leandro_: To travel to the Brazil channel
[16:04] <Ursinha> leandro_, vc pode ir pro #ubuntu-br, já eles ajudam kubuntu tb
[16:04] <Ursinha> leandro_, e desliga o caps, please :)
[16:04] <Polariod> genii: He tried to transfer space from C: to another partition, and yes, I believe this messed things up a bit.
[16:05] <tonyf12> Ok, now that that is solved, I have 70GB to insall Kubuntu 9.04 on. What is the best layout of partitions?
[16:06] <Dragnslcr> tonyf12- depending on many programs you plan on installing, 5-10 GB for /, 2 GB for swap, and the rest for /home
[16:07] <tonyf12> Dragnslcr: Thanks.
[16:07] <Dragnslcr> tonyf12- I have a fairly typical home desktop, and I'm using 3.4 GB on /
[16:07] <tonyf12> And should they be primary or logical partitions?
[16:08] <tonyf12> There is a 150GB Windows partition on the same drive
[16:08] <tonyf12> (Not the OS partition)
[16:08] <irlgoat> ouu.
[16:09] <genii> Polariod: From a livecd you will perhaps be able to mount the partitions and access the data (to copy to a USB stick or so on). But I don't hold out much hope for reversing the damage, just getting some data off before a reformat or so.
[16:09] <Mamarok> irlgoat: English, please :)
[16:10] <TMKCodes_> Wee! I got my 3g stick to work. :)
[16:10] <Elirips> Hello. Is there an id3-tag editor available, that can automatically tag all files in a directory and its subdirs by parsing the albumname from the directoryname and title and track# from the filenames?
[16:11] <TMKCodes_> was just one # too much..
[16:11] <danierie> hi is there only one software package manager in kubuntu or two like in ubuntu?
[16:11] <Mamarok> Elirips: kid3 for example
[16:11] <stefan__> adept and packagekit
[16:12] <Mamarok> Elirips: or Easytag
[16:13] <snarkfish> if i wanted to make a gui for something, what do i use to make that gui?
[16:14] <Mamarok> snarkfish: KDevelop or QtCreator
[16:14] <snarkfish> thank you
[16:14] <Elirips> Mamarok: thanks, kid3 looks very nice
[16:15] <genii> snarkfish: http://techbase.kde.org/index.php?title=Welcome_to_KDE_TechBase can be pretty useful
[16:15] <Elirips> just one question: Am i too stupid to find the button "do it for all files"? Or do I really have to click 'from filename' for each file?
[16:15] <danierie> is it useful to use firefox in kubuntu?
[16:16] <Dragnslcr> danierie- if you like Firefox, go right ahead
[16:16] <Mamarok> Elirips: hm, not sure for kid3, never used it, but Easytag has the option, I guess there is something in the settings for kid3 too
[16:16] <danierie> but what fits better to kubuntu konqueror or firefox?
[16:16] <StefanTT> daniere: Konqueror is better integrated, Firefox helps if Websites do not show up correctly.
[16:17] <Dragnslcr> danierie- Firefox has worked fine for me. I wouldn't really worry about integration with KDE
[16:17] <danierie> ok
[16:17] <danierie> thx a lot
[16:17] <Elirips> Mamarok: ah, I can solect multiple files :P something things would be that easy ;) thanks for the kid3-tipp
[16:17] <snarkfish> apt cant find kdevelop or qtcreator
[16:17] <danierie> is there medibuntu for kubuntu?
[16:18] <snarkfish> medibuntu is just a repository for some useful things. so yes
[16:19] <danierie> so i add it like i did in ubuntu
[16:19] <snarkfish> yes
[16:20] <Mamarok> snarkfish: which Kubuntu do you use?
[16:20] <danierie> kubuntu is more for the pros...
[16:20] <snarkfish> 9.04
[16:21] <snarkfish> running kde 4.2.4
[16:21] <Mamarok> snarkfish: it's kdevelop-kde4 in the universe repository
[16:21] <snarkfish> hmmm
[16:21] <Mamarok> snarkfish: QtCreator is available from QtSoftware
[16:21] <snarkfish> apparantly i spelled it wrong. apt-get nstall kdevelop worked
[16:21] <Mamarok> :)
[16:22] <snarkfish> i wanted to experiment with building a frontend for zfs
[16:22] <declan> Hello Kubunties!
[16:22] <declan> Hello. Been struggling with really quiet sound for hours now. Can anyone help before I buy a pci soundcard? Please? I'm going out of my mind trying to sort it!!!
[16:23] <snarkfish> raise pcm and master volume all the way
[16:23] <snarkfish> also activate all sliders in the mixer you might find that center will also raise your volume
[16:23] <StefanTT> declan: and have a look into systemsettings / multimedia that your soundcard is on top of the list.
[16:24] <Polariod> genii: That's what I had in mind, I just need to save a couple of files. But how do I access the NTFS-partitions ?
[16:24] <Mamarok> declan: some more information about your KDE version would be helpful
[16:24] <danierie> how can i add software in kubuntu?
[16:24] <pheazcrack> is there any1 from asia???
[16:24] <declan> Cool. Ok Hang on I'll try that. alsamixer and kmix are both up full
[16:24] <tonyf12> Can I burn an ISO from the LiveCD? The disc is apparently corrupt, and I don't want to reboot, burn another, then reboot again, then install.
[16:25] <InforMed> Kubuntu kde 4.3 beta 2! Where is kde-print-config? Can't find it!
[16:25] <declan> my soundcard is at top, hdmi sound second and pulse at bottom in system settings/multimedia
[16:25] <tonyf12> Or does the LiveCD need to stay in the drive?
[16:25] <StefanTT> Polaroid: there are ntfs drivers: apt-get install ntfs-3g, then mount them
[16:26] <Mamarok> declan: do you have Gnome installed too? If not, remove pulseaudio
[16:26] <declan> danierie: you can use terminal (sudo aptitude install [program name]. Or use kpackage, or adept.
[16:26] <Polariod> StefanTT: Already have them
[16:26] <declan> No gnome.
[16:27] <danierie> declan: where do i find kpackage or adept?
[16:27] <declan> remove as it aptitude remove, or just from multimedia list? And thanks mamarok
[16:27] <Mamarok> declan: then remove all pulseaudio related packages you can
[16:27] <DexterF_> hi
[16:27] <StefanTT> Polaroid: what do you want to do, mount them on boot always?
[16:27] <danierie> i found it sorry
[16:27] <DexterF_> is ther enay know issue with char conversion when going from kde3 to 4?
[16:27] <declan> danierie: if using kde, just press alt+f2 and type kpackage
[16:28] <danierie> and what is adept
[16:28] <danierie> ?
[16:28] <Mamarok> declan: there is some libpulse*something you can't remove because it has KDE dependencies
[16:28] <StefanTT> daniere: a graphical package manager like kpackage
[16:28] <dirk_> declan: have you look at the sound troubleshooting page at the wiki: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting
[16:28] <danierie> so it is easier to handle for a newbie?
[16:28] <dirk_> it helped me a lot this week, when I had a sound problem (after upgrade)
[16:28] <Mamarok> dirk_: wait, I'm still at it...
[16:28] <declan> kpackage has kinda replaced adept; both good though
[16:29] <danierie> dirk w?
[16:29] <Mamarok> declan: then remove ~/.kde/share/config/pulseaudiodevicesrc
[16:29] <Polariod> StefanTT: My friend tried to move hdd space from one partition to another on his winXP system, and this messed things up; now I'm trying to save some data using a Kubuntu Live-CD. I can see the "old" partitions with Dolphin, but I cant access them.
 thanks but i've been using it for a day now and no joy. spend hours last night.
[16:29] <Mamarok> declan: typo
[16:29] <Mamarok> declan: remove ~/.kde/share/config/phonondevicesrc
[16:30] <Mamarok> declan: and also remove ~/asoundconf if it exists, then restard KDE
[16:30] <StefanTT> Polariod: mount -tntfs /dev/sda1 /mnt ... to mount the first partition of the first harddisk
[16:30] <danierie> dirk_: hello
[16:31] <DexterF_> in kde4, how am I notified of updates?
[16:32] <declan> mamarok: just to confirm. I've deleted phonon file, the other doesnt exist. Also remove all pulse packages except the one that has dependencies
[16:32] <Mamarok> declan: no, not phonon, just the phonondevicesrc file!
[16:32] <declan> yeah i know sorry just saving typing
[16:32] <declan> sorry to scare you
[16:32] <Mamarok> declan: you also need phonon-backend-xine
[16:32] <Mamarok> declan: ok :)
[16:33] <Polariod> StefanTT: I got "only root can do that", so I added sudo before it, and I got the info for mount, usage:, and so on
[16:33] <Mamarok> declan: you need to first remove the packages, then the phonondevicesrc, then restart KDE, in that order
[16:33] <StefanTT> Polariod: sudo, yes, of course :-)
[16:33] <declan> ah ok will do
[16:34] <tonyf12> How large is the download for 8.10 -> 9.04? I have a working 8.10 LiveCD, and I can't burn another 9.04 as I'm out of CD-Rs.
[16:34] <Mamarok> danierie: yes, a beginner can also use the package manager, but you should use it through the systemsettings -> Add software
[16:34] <StefanTT> Polaroid: I do the following to mount my Windows partition: sudo mount -tntfs /dev/sda1 /mnt
[16:34] <Mamarok> declan: please tell if it worked
[16:35] <declan> of course. just doing it one package at a time so i dont accidentally remove kde or something!
[16:36] <Mamarok> declan: good!
[16:36] <declan> its libpulse0 that everything seems to need!
[16:37] <snarkfish> Polariod: you need to mount them by hand as they have been unmounted in an unclean state. when you try to open them in dopphine it will tell you that
[16:37] <snarkfish> um dolphin i mean heh
[16:38] <snarkfish> smoke break
[16:38] <declan> mamarok: while I'm doing that, this might help: http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=d1c7e9f646946830d62ebd099181893b302842b3
[16:39] <declan> danierie: Do you need anymore help? What you installing?
[16:46] <genii> Polariod: Apologies on lag, work required me.While on the livecd, you'll need the stuff to read ntfs. Packages are named something like ntfsprogs,libntfs10  .. then get a list of partitions with: sudo fdisk -l      make a place to mount things... sudo mkdir /mnt/tmp        then using the /dev/sdX# info from fdisk command on the likely partitions to hold the data, you can try like: sudo -t ntfs mount /dev/sdX# /mnt/tmp            and then see if /mnt/tmp
[16:46] <genii>  has anything worth trying to save in there. Then unmount, try next likely, etc etc
[16:47] <genii> bah
[16:47] <genii> Polariod: the mount command there chould have the -t ntfs AFTER the mount command
[16:54] <declan> mamarok: sorry; didn't work
[16:54] <declan> mamarok: still no sound
[16:54] <Mamarok> declan: :(
[16:54] <declan> mamarok: well, very very faint sound
[16:55] <declan> mamarok: which is worse as it must sort of work!!
[16:55] <Mamarok> declan: well, then it's probably in kmix, check the mixer settings
[16:55] <yakuzi> declan: what's the problem with the sound?
[16:56] <declan> Basically I have very very quiet sound but everything is turned up.
[16:56] <declan> mamarok: as far as i can see, everything is ok in kmix
[16:56] <yakuzi> you're sure you didn't miss any slider in kmix, nor the volume control on the hardware itself (maybe silly but easely forgotten ;-) )
[16:56] <declan> could it be a driver problem?
[16:57] <Mamarok> declan: well, yes, but Intel sound cards are pretty much standard
[16:57] <declan> yakuzi: looks all turned up
[16:58] <DexterF_> !flash
[16:58] <Mamarok> declan: yep, is flash running somewhere?
[16:58] <yakuzi> you have intel audio? what kind does it say in kmix mixer window
[16:58] <declan> yep
[16:59] <declan> in firefox
[16:59] <declan> one of the things i test sound using
[16:59] <declan> youtube
[16:59] <Mamarok> declan: flash is known to hog sound...
[16:59] <declan> yakuzi: HDA ATI SB
[17:00] <declan> Mamarok: I'll try with FF closed
[17:01] <declan> mamarok: nope. even with firefox closed, amarok is still quiet. almost not even there quiet. have to put my ear to speaker
[17:01] <InforMed> Kubuntu Kde 4.3 beta2! Where is ke-print-config! I can't find it!
[17:02] <declan> maybe it's not there. It's a beta!
[17:03] <yakuzi> and if you open systemsettings>sound and video configuration is that HDA ATI SB on top of all the lists?
[17:04] <DexterF_> I can't get flash working in 904. pointers? i installed flashplugin-nonfree and -installer, both to no avail
[17:04] <declan> yakuzi: says HDA ATI SB (ALC889A Analog)
[17:04] <Mamarok> DexterF_: 64bit?
[17:04] <yakuzi> (by the way you say you have intel audio...but HDA ATI SB sounds like an ati chipset with audio in it and no intel...
[17:05] <Mamarok> declan: can you test it in phonon?
[17:05] <Mamarok> yakuzi: that was my bad, sorry
[17:05] <declan> its onboard. a gigabyte mobo with sound inbuilt
[17:05] <DexterF_> Mamarok: no, 32
[17:05] <declan> mamarok: what do you mean?
[17:05] <yakuzi> declan: if you select that HDA and you push on test on the bottom, does it give anything?
[17:06] <Mamarok> declan: in Systemsettings -> Multinmedia, when you are on the card, there is a test button
[17:06] <Mamarok> -n
[17:06] <declan> yakuzi: yes, same really really quiet sound
[17:06] <DexterF_> Mamarok: gotta run, bbiab
[17:06] <Mamarok> declan: try alsamixer, just to be sure the sliders are all up
[17:06] <declan> mamarok: ah yeah. yes it plays but very quietly. and sounds distorted. but that may be cos its quiet. hard to tell
[17:07] <declan> http://paste.ubuntu.com/194472/
[17:08] <yakuzi> well in kmix you have a few sliders...if you choose settings>configure channels, make sure all of them are selected, then you can try with all of them to see if any of them has an influence...
[17:08] <Mamarok> yakuzi: se the paste, everything is at 100%
[17:09] <Mamarok> see*
[17:09] <Mamarok> declan: and you do not have the master channel set to the headphone, don't you?
[17:10] <declan> not as far as i know.
[17:10] <declan> how would i check?
[17:10] <Mamarok> declan: right click on kmix icon in the system tray, select master channel
[17:10] <declan> its set to pcm
[17:10] <Mamarok> try setting it to master
[17:10] <yakuzi> Mamarok: yes...but are all the possible channels in the main kmix window, i know for example that on my desktop with a creative SB audigy 4 itt only shows a few, not the one you need in fact...
[17:11] <Mamarok> yakuzi: it's either PCM or Master
[17:11] <declan> just selected all channels in kmix and maxed them. no change
[17:11] <declan> where can i paste screenshots?
[17:11] <awidegreen> hej guys .. is there any update on the google-apps <> akonadi issue? I've seen the developer-preview videos and i was wondering if the feature will make it in 4.3 ?
[17:11] <Mamarok> declan: imagebin.ca
[17:12] <Mamarok> awidegreen: didn't even know there was an Akonadi issue with google apps :)
[17:13] <declan> http://imagebin.ca/view/5y5LMbUf.html
[17:14] <awidegreen> Mamarok: okay .. forget issue ..., you know what i mean :D
[17:14] <Mamarok> declan: you have stuff muted there
[17:14] <Mamarok> awidegreen: no, seriously, I don't
[17:14] <Mamarok> awidegreen: please explain
[17:15] <declan> unmuted still not proper sound
[17:15] <awidegreen> Mamarok: take a look http://blip.tv/file/1972974/
[17:15] <yakuzi> and, you have a tab HDA ATI HDMI how are the sliders there?
[17:16] <yakuzi> (maybe your speakers are connected to the thing called HDA ATI HDMI in kmix...)
[17:16] <awidegreen> Mamarok: http://forum.kde.org/gcal-google-calendar-native-support-in-kontact-t-53781.html
[17:17] <declan> yakuzi: http://imagebin.ca/view/sSBpOQ.html
[17:17] <Mamarok> awidegreen: you should ask on #kde then
[17:17] <declan> yakuzi: i assumed that was sound from the hdmi port
[17:17] <yakuzi> ok no sliders there...and what if you hit the mute there? (i don't think it would do anything...but you can try)
[17:18] <yakuzi> i assume it too...but you never know
[17:18] <awidegreen> Mamarok: i'm going to ... i obviously was in the wrong tab :D
[17:20] <declan> yakuzi: just tried all the jack points: no help
[17:23] <yakuzi> what if you mute Master (most left slider) does the weak sound disappears? and what if you do the same with PCM? (so to find out if you're using pcm or master)
[17:25] <declan> pcm does nothing. Muting master cuts the sound so its on master
[17:25] <yakuzi> ok
[17:26] <Mamarok> declan: you using a laptop?
[17:26] <declan> nope. desktop.
[17:27] <declan> motherboard is a gigabyte GA-MA78GM-UD2H
[17:27] <Mamarok> declan: you do not have any volume buttons somewhere on the keyboard or such?
[17:27] <Mamarok> silly idea, I know, but...
[17:27] <dh003i> hi all
[17:27] <dh003i> I have a problem, my keyboard (Northgate Omnikey Evolution, connected via either PS/2 or PS/2 => USB adapter, works fine when logging in from the display manager, or when doing console login and in the console. But it doesn't work at all in KDE (except the CTRL key in GIMP, which when combined with the scroll wheel, lets me zoom in or out)
[17:27] <dh003i> I detail it here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7442188#post7442188
[17:27] <yakuzi> Mamarok: if it's right, shouldn't such buttons be linked with the normal volume control of kmix?
[17:27] <declan> I do but they only work as soft keys. just tried them anyway. Not a stupid idea! This is like being on House MD
[17:28] <Mamarok> yakuzi: yes, I know, just a silly idea, as I said
[17:28] <yakuzi> and the volume of your speakers, that's turned up i hope? (also silly idea...)
[17:28] <dh003i> someone on ubuntu said it sounded like I selected an incorrect keyboard layout (but the KB was working before), and suggested I go here
[17:30] <declan> vol on speakers is up to max (if anything does work, i'm gonna get shocked!)
[17:31] <yakuzi> :p
[17:31] <Mamarok> declan: plugged in?
[17:31] <yakuzi> and in amarok volume turned to around 80% or higher?
[17:32] <Mamarok> yakuzi: if he has no sound in phonon...
[17:32] <yakuzi> right, my mistake
[17:32] <Mamarok> declan: you are using Amarok 2, right?
[17:33] <declan> of course. I'm using jaunty
[17:34] <declan> plugged in yes. And I have sound in phonon. just too quiet to really hear
[17:34] <Polariod> genii: That input gives: unclean showdown (0, 0); Failed to mount /dev/sda6 : Operation not supported. Mount is denied because NTFS is marked to be in use.
[17:34] <Polariod> genii: Sorry about the delay, I was testing some other things
[17:34] <genii> Polariod: np, I'm at work so sometimes long between replies as well.
[17:35] <Mamarok> declan: I have no more ideas, try asking in #alsa as you have the script output ready
[17:35] <declan> tried them; no response
[17:35] <yakuzi> Mamarok: i'm thinking...phonon has weak sound, same with all the other, that should mean it's or, a driver problem, which should be findable on the internet, or, it's a problem with kmix etc but it seems to be fine there...
[17:35] <genii> Polariod: You should be able to use force option.  eg: -o force
[17:36] <Mamarok> yakuzi: well, if the alsa guys can't solve it...
[17:36] <yakuzi> they don't give a response if i read it right...
[17:36] <Polariod> genii: It lists two options, and option two says that I can use force. I'll go ahead and try it
[17:36] <yakuzi> but i'm out of ideas either...
[17:36] <Mamarok> declan: you use the xine backend, don't you?
[17:36] <genii> Polariod: `There is also ntfsfix    which will mark it clean even if it isn't (part of ntfsprogs)
[17:37] <declan>  i'll cjheck
[17:37] <Mamarok> yakuzi: well, one has to be very patient there
[17:37] <Polariod> genii: Do i type just ntfsfix ?
[17:37] <yakuzi> maybe i never went there...no nead (cross fingers)
[17:37] <declan> yes xine
[17:37] <Mamarok> and of course have the script output ready
[17:37] <genii> Polariod: You need to give it the dev name. So something like: sudo ntfsfix /dev/sdz9                or so
[17:38] <Polariod> genii: "sudo mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sda6 /mnt/tmp -o force" gives WARNING: Forced mount, reset $LogFile
[17:38] <Mamarok> declan: that was really my last idea, fingers crossed to get some answer in #alsa then
[17:38] <Polariod> genii: I think it worked, many thanks to you
[17:38] <yakuzi> i'm off trying to find something to eat, sorry i couldn't help
[17:38] <genii> Polariod: Should work.
[17:38] <genii> Polariod: Good luck with the data retrieval
[17:39] <Polariod> genii: Thank you, and thanks again for the help
[17:39] <declan> Mamarok: Yakuzi: Thank you so much. I really appreciate it. Hopefully I'll get it sorted. Thanks guys!
[17:39] <genii> Polariod: You're welcome
[17:39] <yakuzi> you're welcome
[17:39] <Mamarok> declan: yaw, just hope you get a solution
[17:39] <declan> cheers
[17:52] <public> Anybody ever joined ubuntu to a server 08 domain?
[17:52] <public> perhaps using likewise.
[18:02] <saywhat> Hey guys. What ftp client do you recommend and how can i set it up so that i connect to an ftp server through a proxy? Thanks
[18:07] <genii> saywhat: Because it's cross-platform I like the Firefox extension of FireFTP, it can also be set to use proxies separate of Firefox's
[18:08] <saywhat> genii thanks
[18:08] <genii> saywhat: You're welcome
[18:16] <administrator_> :)
[18:32] <jessica_> Hello
[18:40] <avihayb> Hello. anyone familiar with scripting for tcsh?
[18:41] <avihayb> I have a list O strings, and I want to foreach them, but I get it seperated into indevidual words
[18:41] <avihayb> !offtopic
[18:42] <avihayb> thanks ubottu
[18:44] <avihayb> *individual
[18:44] <yakuzi> i'm trying to get dual monitor to work with an ati card. It's a radeon 9600pro so i'm using the open source drivers and not fglrx.
[18:45] <yakuzi> i managed to get the resolutions and refreshrates right (20" 1680x1050 @ 60Hz on the right side 19" 1280x1024@85Hz) but it is in clone mode and not extended desktop
[18:46] <yakuzi> when i open xorg.conf to edit, i got an xmessage " Could not start ksmserver. Check your installation"  whatever that means
[18:46] <avihayb> and the screen setup applet won't let you specify how to place the monitors, right?
[18:47] <yakuzi> right
[18:48] <avihayb> I want to know the reason too. I used to do it by manualy editing x-org
[18:49] <yakuzi> i even placed in my xorg.conf a part Section " ServerLayout"  and specified that the 19" should be right of the 20" but nothing...still clone
[18:49] <avihayb> *xorg.cfg
[18:50] <orion76> hello again now sound card 5.1 c-media older
[18:50] <avihayb> I think you also need to add an option "xiamera" or however it's spelled
[18:50] <avihayb> I'll look it up if you wait a sec
[18:51] <yakuzi> xinerama...isn't that only for Nvidia cards? (or i'm mistaken with something else...played already with it a long time never get it right)
[18:52] <avihayb> no, I had a setup with an onboard sis card and a good ole cirrus logic 5446
[18:53] <avihayb> ok, in Section "ServerLayout" , I added : Option "Xinerama"
[18:53] <avihayb> *ol'e
[18:54] <yakuzi> let's see if it works...
[18:54] <avihayb> I've read a bit and heard that Option "Xinerama" is no longer supported, or will not longer be supported, but
[18:55] <yakuzi> if it works...i don't care :p
[18:55] <avihayb> that's the only thing I can think of
[18:55] <orion76> hellp
[18:55] <orion76> splash Screen Themes 800x600
[18:55] <yakuzi> i tried with adding a virtual in the screen sections...and it works, but it gives flicker etc
[18:55] <orion76> ?
[18:56] <orion76> 1024x900
[18:56] <orion76> ?
[18:57] <avihayb> humm, dual head, right...
[18:57] <yakuzi> yup
[18:57] <yakuzi> dvi for the 20" vga for the 19"
[18:58] <avihayb> what section did you put that in?
[18:59] <yakuzi> rebooting now, couldn't enter my graphical log-in...
[19:01] <yakuzi> i've twice: Section " Monitor"  where i give an identifier to the 20" in one, in the other i give an identifer to the 19"
[19:02] <yakuzi> i've also twice: Section " screen"  where i give an identifier to the screen, the monitor, the device, and a subsection Display with the resolution
[19:03] <jussi01> yakuzi: have you set the virtual big enough?
[19:03] <yakuzi> well if i change the virtual of the 20" larger...i get flicker...but i'll try again
[19:03] <jussi01> yakuzi: once virtual is set, you can use xrandr
[19:03] <MetaMorfoziS> !intel
[19:05] <avihayb> humm http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Xorg_RandR_1.2#xorg.conf
[19:06] <yakuzi> it seems i better don't zap my x after i changed something in my xorg or i need to reboot...seems to be that damn strange xmessage thing...
[19:09] <yakuzi> ok with my virtual size set to 2960x1050 (20" beside 19") i've a whole extended desktop...
[19:09] <yakuzi> but i seems to have lost the desktop effects...
[19:10] <yakuzi> if i use xrandr that is
[19:10] <muesli> are you sure? don't you mean xinerama?
[19:11] <yakuzi> i have it now with xrandr from within konsole... xrandr --output VGA-0 --right-of DVI-0 --auto
[19:11] <yakuzi> and no xinerama in my xorg.conf
[19:12] <yakuzi> but still all the other stuff in it i'm not sure if i still need it...but it's not completely ok or i should have desktop effect not?
[19:12] <muesli> yakuzi: if you got an nvidia card, try twinview... works with desktop effects
[19:12] <yakuzi> i've ati card...old one
[19:12] <yakuzi> but not that old it can't run desktop effects on dual monitor
[19:13] <muesli> ah. guess you're out of luck then. at least i could never get it to work with my nvidia and xinerama...
[19:14] <yakuzi> if i disable and reanable desktop effects, i got a message that it failed, settings will be reverted, check x configuration
[19:15] <muesli> yeah, sadly you can't enable the desktop effects with multi monitor (unless you got an nvidia card)
[19:15] <yakuzi> is that still true? or is it just an xrandr fact?
[19:16] <ActionParsnip> nvidia ftw :
[19:17] <muesli> yakuzi: someone correct if i'm wrong, but your ati setup has to run xinerama to support more than one monitor
[19:17] <muesli> xinerama and desktop effects don't play along yet
[19:17] <muesli> iirc the xorg people are rewriting xrandr and other parts invovled
[19:17] <snarkfish> ok im back
[19:18] <muesli> nvidia uses a trick, where it's emulating one big monitor for X (twinview)
[19:18] <snarkfish> thought you could do a twniview type of thing with ati as well?
[19:20] <yakuzi> you have bigdesktop but that's only twice the same resolution
[19:20] <yakuzi> if i add xinerama to my xorg.conf, i can't get into my graphical log-in and stuff
[19:21] <muesli> check /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[19:22] <muesli> did anyone try the kde 4.3 beta2 packages yet?
[19:23] <snarkfish> yah i did by accident..
[19:23] <snarkfish> its not bad.
[19:23] <muesli> any major bugs you noticed?
[19:23] <snarkfish> alittle slow on some file operations but thats all ive noticed
[19:23] <snarkfish> looks different
[19:23] <muesli> interesting
[19:24] <muesli> for the first time in months (years *cough*) i'm quite happy with my current kde4 setup...
[19:24] <snarkfish> i was to. lol
[19:24] <avihayb> :->
[19:24] <yakuzi> well i've no clue what i'm searching in the log...i've to see it with nano...no GUI
[19:25] <snarkfish> hmm vim ftw!
[19:25] <muesli> yakuzi: at the end of the log it should tell you why starting X failed
[19:25] <yakuzi> well i can work a bit with nano...not at all with vim :p
[19:25] <muesli> less for the win ;-)
[19:26] <avihayb> I was happy with my stock kde4.2, but I was gready and wanted amrock2.1, so I tryed to add it from ppa.
[19:26] <ActionParsnip> yakuzi: you can use less to view it too
[19:26] <muesli> avihayb: heh yeah, kinda similar here. for a while it was only amarok 2.1 in this repository
[19:26] <snarkfish> yah i got that to.. very very nice
[19:27] <snarkfish> would like to see an equalizer soon tho
[19:27] <yakuzi> i find something like Saw signal 11. server aborting
[19:27] <avihayb> yhe, well, amrock wanted some upgrades to kdelibs, or something like that, next thing I know, no global shortcuts (includeing alt-tab)
[19:27] <avihayb> *amarock
[19:27] <muesli> amarok :P
[19:27] <avihayb> couldn't doungrade
[19:27] <snarkfish> you can reset those tho
[19:27] <avihayb> yhe that too... :-<
[19:29] <muesli> just curious, what were you guys using before amarok 2.1?
[19:30] <yakuzi> the old amarok :p
[19:30] <BluesKaj> amarok1.4
[19:30] <avihayb> I couldn't downgrade without removeing all the applications relying on the package that amarok upgraded. I tryed to forceversion and then cancle all the remove changes, but it complained about broken packages without specifying how to fix it...
[19:30] <orion76> now Resolution Fix...no 640x 1280x normal restart now
[19:30] <BluesKaj> which i still use :)
[19:31] <BluesKaj> avihayb, install amarok-kde3
[19:31] <muesli> heh :) makes me proud ;-)
[19:31] <BluesKaj> no need to remove amarok2 , both use the amarok-common file iirc
[19:32] <avihayb> it won't solve it, and altough amarok2 was a step back from amarok1.4, amarok2.1 plugs all the wholes amarok2 had in my day to day usage
[19:32] <yakuzi> if i want to sue xinerama, can i sue virtual...or will it kill...
[19:33] <muesli> just wait a little
[19:33] <avihayb> and a little fiddleing around with the playlist display info, and I can read it better then the simple (yet very readable) playlist of 1.4
[19:33] <muesli> we spent years giving amarok1 the finishing touches
[19:33] <muesli> and making it behave as we wanted to
[19:33] <muesli> it'll take a while till a rewrite gets there
[19:34] <BluesKaj> avihayb, like I said , no need to remove amarok2.1
[19:34] <BluesKaj> avihayb, , just install amarok1.4,  aka amarok-kde3
[19:35] <avihayb> for the subset of amarok options I use, amarok 2.1 is even better then 1.4
[19:35] <avihayb> for me
[19:39] <markus____> alguien anda por ahi??
[19:40] <markus____> somebody who can help me
[19:40] <BluesKaj> !ask | markus____
[19:40] <markus____> ok
[19:41] <yakuzi> ok it looks like i got it working without xinerama, but with virtual size set to sum of both resolutions, and use xrandr...before i had to use XAA, now it seems to be willing to work with EXA (even with a movie running) but my desktop effects are gone sadly enough (makes it a bit more cool ;-) )
[19:41] <uga> BluesKaj: isn't it quicker to tell him straight? that makes for 1 normal msg and a too long msg from the bot
[19:41] <markus____> i need some help because i'm a beginner in Kubuntu
[19:41] <halberd> is there an equivalent of gnome-open in kde? I've heard about kde-open but apt-get doesn't seem to find it
[19:41] <uga> markus____: the question straight =)
[19:41] <markus____> and in other HD i install Kubuntu 09.04 but y use the package manager but know i cant foud uit
[19:41] <uga> markus____: we will judge if you're beginner or advanced afterwards ;)
[19:41] <BluesKaj> uga , it's easier my way :)
[19:42] <halberd> what I am looking for is a program from konsole that will automatically decide what application to open a file with
[19:42] <halberd> so you just go kde-open <some-file> and it chooses the app to open it with
[19:42] <uga> markus____: sorry, but I'm not a native english speaker... "foud uit"?
[19:43] <halberd> foud uit = found it
[19:43] <uga> you mean you cannot find it? =)
[19:43] <markus____> in the same version in my other HDD i use first kpacge but the i found package manager and that program its eassier for me can you tell me where i can found it??
[19:43] <uga> uhm... something tells me I'm not the only one non-native =)
[19:43] <markus____> sorry but also i'm a beginner in english XDXDXD
[19:44] <BluesKaj> !es | markus____
[19:44] <compilerwriter> BluesKaj hallelujah.
[19:45]  * compilerwriter pours BluesKaj a snifter of Congac.
[19:47] <BluesKaj> wow, thanks compilerwriter ..I'd do the same for you , but i ran out of napoleon :)
[19:47] <compilerwriter> BluesKaj is there a utility on the live disk that I can use to test my hard drive?  My machine went down for some strange reasons.  I got what little wasn't already backed up off of it.  I tried to do a freash install but copying the files failed.  Now I am thinking my hard drive has crapped out.
[19:48] <compilerwriter> s/freash/fresh
[19:50]  * compilerwriter pauses to whistfully remember Napoleon's palate.
[19:51] <yakuzi> if you realy want to test your harddisc, it's best to go for the website of the manufacturer of the disc and search for a tool that test the disc, normally it should be on the site, then probably you have to burn it on cd and run the thing
[19:51] <genii> There is also Ultimate Boot CD, ha many manufacturer's utilities already on it.
[19:51] <compilerwriter> yakuzi thanks but this harddisk was part of a Dell made in 2002.
[19:52] <BluesKaj> compilerwriter, iirc knoppix has a utliity/tool that can check a HDD for damage and bad sectors
[19:52] <yakuzi> well if your waranty is already gone...open it up and see the brand of the disc? it should be on a sticker somewhere on it
[19:52] <compilerwriter> BluesKaj need to go burn a Knoppix live cd then.  Ok.
[19:53] <compilerwriter> will take your idea under advisement yakuzi.
[19:53] <avihayb> http://www.instantfundas.com/2007/08/install-any-linux-distro-directly-from.html
[19:53] <BluesKaj> but genii is correct as well, UBD is another sure fire way to go
[20:00] <togetic> so any ideas on how to get kdm working or how to make the computer responsive to my keyboard commands when after kdm launches?
[20:00] <compilerwriter> Where does one get the UBD, BluesKaj?
[20:01] <compilerwriter> Thanks for the suggestion genii.
[20:01]  * compilerwriter pours yakuzi and genii each a snifter of Cognac.
[20:02] <BluesKaj> compilerwriter, http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/download.html
[20:02] <yakuzi> thank you
[20:03] <compilerwriter> Should I find out that I am having hard drive difficulties does there exist a way to use kubuntu as a live cd and make sessions persistent?  I so hate windows now.
[20:03] <compilerwriter> yw yakuzi
[20:04] <togetic> compilerwriter: there is a kubuntu live cd
[20:06] <compilerwriter> Yes togetic I have the livecd I just wanted to be able to save my documents etc to some media and then be able to have them backagain.  Ideally to be able to install some little bits of software that I want to have handy as well.
[20:07]  * compilerwriter muses over getting some of Captain Sig's fish to prepare for dinner?
[20:07] <togetic> i know ubuntu jaunty came with a way allowing the user to store some files online, about 4gb, which isn't much
[20:08] <compilerwriter> Wow togetic I need to look into that.  I have had a desktop install for so long I haven't paid attention to those developments.
[20:08] <togetic> i'd wipe out my current system too if i had backup, but that just isn't the pure sysadmin way to solve things all the time
[20:09] <togetic> or maybe it is, maybe a true sysadmin has the storage space to do so
[20:09] <togetic> but no one so far has been able to identify the problem on my machine
[20:09] <compilerwriter> So a person would just pop in a livecd and then the thing would go get my files from the net.
[20:09] <togetic> which makes me want to figure out the problem
[20:10] <AssociateX> I installed ubuntu but am a kde user... yes, I now know there is a kubuntu. Is there much different between the two and can I just install the kde/kubuntu desktop stuff and have the same as kubuntu.
[20:10] <togetic> what you do is store your files using a livecd or while booted in the distro, after installation, redownload
[20:10] <AssociateX> I'm trying to avoid reinstalling
[20:10] <togetic> AssociateX: yes, that's fine
[20:10] <togetic> apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[20:11] <genii> With sudo
[20:11] <togetic> you'll be using gnome libraries i'm sure anyway
[20:11] <AssociateX> togetic: thank you.
[20:11] <togetic> right, sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[20:11] <AssociateX> probably so
[20:11] <togetic> or just make an alias so that everytime you use apt-get, bash interprets it as 'sudo apt-get'
[20:11] <togetic> ..like i do
[20:14] <compilerwriter> That is a practice I would discourage togetic.  A person should have that reminder to make them think twice before they get set to do something stupid.
[20:22] <DaskreeCH> What can I use to raed a parsed HTML page on the command line ?
[20:24] <DaskreeCH> read
[20:24] <uga> DaskreeCH: links?
[20:24] <uga> if you mean see it formatted
[20:24] <DaskreeCH> Right
[20:24] <DaskreeCH> Links works?
[20:25] <uga> I think it should
[20:25] <uga> it works for online, so why not offline
[20:25] <uga> else upload it first ;)
[20:25] <DaskreeCH> Well w3m works for online but w3m ~/random.html comes up like a text editor
[20:26] <DaskreeCH> I'm trying links2
[20:26] <uga> DaskreeCH: links works just fine
[20:26] <uga> just checked
[20:26] <uga> I wonder what w3m is anyway. Old stuff always works!
[20:26] <halberd> damn I have too many different keys for scrolling
[20:27] <uga> vi,bash, and links. You can uninstall the rest ;)
[20:27] <drurew> can anyone sujest a good http admin interface for servers please?
[20:27] <DaskreeCH> uga: Default browser that ships with Kubuntu
[20:27] <DaskreeCH> drurew: What counts as good?
[20:28] <drurew> apache2
[20:28] <uga> DaskreeCH: bad default then =)
[20:28] <halberd> M-p, M-n for scrolling irssi, C-u,C-d for scrolling screen scrollback, space and p for scrolling man, C-p and C-v for scrolling emacs
[20:28] <drurew> i dunno, im new to the whole server aspect, finding it a bit more daunting sshing then having my good old kde
[20:28] <halberd> I should change bindings on some of those to be more consistent
[20:29] <uga> halberd: get quassel, man:/ and kate. All scroll the same =)
[20:29] <compilerwriter> togetic to you have a web link for how one does the live and store online version of kubuntu?  I am looking and not finding via google?
[20:29] <drurew> im looking for something solid, preferably using ssl
[20:29] <lucax> hey guys, i have a problem, when i switch users I loose the 3d effects of the first user and the second users cant get effects to work either... any ideas what could it be?
[20:29] <halberd> ha ha I could not abandon my friend emacs
[20:29] <DaskreeCH> drurew: well sftp in then
[20:30] <uga> halberd: why run two kernels and X servers at the same time
[20:30] <phoenixz> Where can I find effect plugins for gwenview?
[20:30] <uga> halberd: the rest of apps use the system. They don't reimplement it like emacs ;)
[20:30] <drurew> DaskreeCH: will check it out
[20:31] <DaskreeCH> open dolphin or konqueror and type sftp://user@computerIP and you can browse around graphically
[20:31] <phoenixz> Or... I need to ajust brigtness, contrast and gamma of a picture.. What EASY (not the gimp please) program can do this for me?
[20:32] <lucax> no idea about my problem????
[20:33] <drurew> DaskreeCH: sadly i didnt include ftp in the setup
[20:33] <DaskreeCH> drurew: can you ssh in?
[20:34] <drurew> DaskreeCH: ssh works , been using fish to edit some files but still not enjoying it
[20:34] <DaskreeCH> drurew: well that's the life of the server admin
[20:40] <MaxMax> Hi I have a general question about installing Kubuntu if someone can help me with this it would be great
[20:41] <kurumin> ola
[20:41] <drurew> MaxMax: lets hear it specificly
[20:41] <drurew> ;)
[20:41] <MaxMax> ok thanks
[20:41] <MaxMax> I was trying to install ubuntu but ran into problems so no i am trying kubuntu instead as i prefer kde
[20:42] <togetic> compilerwriter: maybe someone who hasn't had much exp. with a computer
[20:42] <togetic> in particular, debian
[20:42] <MaxMax> anyway, to my question Does kubuntu allow for UPN names for user ID's ?
[20:43] <Peixoto> ollllllaaaaa
[20:44] <trappist> MaxMax: I wouldn't think so, but for mail purposes you should be able to make it behave that way
[20:44] <ChrisBuchholz> Hi guys
[20:45] <uga> !br
[20:45] <drurew> MaxMax: you may want to look at some of the other +buntu distros, but generally speaking, anything you install on one buntu is also available on another buntu
[20:45] <ChrisBuchholz> i was wondering if i want to install KDE 4.3 on my Kubuntu 9.04 installation, will i only have to include the ppa thats posted on kubuntu.com and then just install the updates it brings, or is there more to it?
[20:46] <MaxMax> See here is my problem. I work for a company that uses UPN names as our log in user id's for example I log into my work station as j.smith@123.com but the regular version of ubuntu 9.04 does not accept these types of user id's to login so I wanted to confirm that kubuntu does before I do the install process
[20:46] <uga> ChrisBuchholz: in theory, that's enough
[20:46] <ChrisBuchholz> any experience with doing it?
[20:47] <uga> ChrisBuchholz: I use gcc, so no =)
[20:47] <ChrisBuchholz> any problems you know of?
[20:47] <ChrisBuchholz> okay;)
[20:47] <drurew> MaxMax: umm ubuntu supports user logins, generally tho i think what your thinking of has something to do with your network server ?
[20:47] <uga> ChrisBuchholz: if the debs are as stable as teh hand built code, everything will go fine
[20:47] <ChrisBuchholz> i will try then
[20:47] <drurew> MaxMax: maybe you can give a dual boot a shot and see how you like it, or just use the live cd
[20:48] <ChrisBuchholz> i'm trying out kde (been using ubuntu for years, but kde is all new to me) and i think kde 4.3 looks even better than 4
[20:48] <ChrisBuchholz> so, wish me luck
[20:48] <drurew> good luck
[20:48] <drurew> ;)
[20:49] <MaxMax> drurew sort of, We login to a windows domain so to deploy some Kubuntu Work stations Kubuntu has to support these types of logins eg: j.smith@123.com etc
[20:49] <ChrisBuchholz> hmm
[20:49] <uga> MaxMax: you're trying an active directory style login, right?
[20:49] <public> i want to get this box onto our AD domain also
[20:50] <public> tried likewise.. but had errors
[20:50] <MaxMax> Well its not really AD per se, though I do have a AD domain
[20:50] <ChrisBuchholz> should i be warned when it says there's 28 blocked updates? Does it mean some of the kde 4.3 will not get installed, hence i will get a unfinished kde 4.3 which will return in errors?
[20:51] <uga> MaxMax: those sort of things are possible, but not very intuitive to setup. If you have a good hand helping you out, it should be possible on any distro
[20:51] <MaxMax> Our standard for user names is  J.Smith@123.com for user id's
[20:51] <uga> I don't see that related to *buntu or any other distro
[20:52] <robin> I have a problem, since 9.04 alsa doesn't work anymore
[20:53] <MaxMax> I was told that Unix does not support @ or . in user id's but dont know how true this is. We were hoping to deploy some ubuntu WS's but are having a terrible time because of the user id's
[20:53] <ChrisBuchholz> Is there any one to install the blocked updates i'm getting?
[20:53] <ChrisBuchholz> any way*
[20:53] <ostrovlyan> s
[20:54] <drurew> MaxMax: yeah that means your user name is "connected" to "your" domain locally
[20:54] <ostrovlyan> sorry, i findn't russian channel fo kubuntu - where it is?
[20:54] <MaxMax> well sort of drurew,
[20:55] <drurew> drurew: why dont you ask your admin, im sure hed be happy to help you out esp if he set the boxes up
[20:55] <BluesKaj> !ru
[20:55] <drurew> Maxmax:see above
[20:55] <BluesKaj> hmm, no #kubuntu-ru ?
[20:56] <MaxMax> but even if we were not running a domain, our standard for user ID's is with the . and @ sighn  so getting ubuntu to use these as a starting point would be a huge help
[20:56] <MaxMax> Dude I am the admin :)
[20:57] <uga> BluesKaj: Я говорю по-русски
[20:57] <ostrovlyan> BluesKaj, yes
[20:57] <ostrovlyan> uga, íåò ÷òî ëè ðóññêîãî êàíàëà ïî êóáóíòó?
[20:57] <uga> ostrovlyan: "I speak russian" in russian I think. That's about the only thing I could write =)
[20:57] <uga> sorry ;)
[20:58] <DaskreeCH> !ru
[20:58] <MaxMax> I was kind of pumped about Ubuntu but man, UPN names and names with periods in them are pretty much a standard for most corporations, If ubuntu cant support these right out of the box, I dont know how its going to gain any traction as a desktop os in companies looking to replace windows box's
[20:58] <tomsdale> eh - kubuntu 4.3 beta 2 here - if I have a copy job started - how do I stop it again. There is no cancel butten anymore
[20:58] <ostrovlyan> uga, ok)))
[20:58] <uga> MaxMax: again... if linux can't, ubuntu can't
[20:59] <uga> MaxMax: it's totally irrelevant to distro
[20:59] <tomsdale> nice notification system - but no cancel button ....
[20:59] <uga> MaxMax: just try editing the shadow files and check
[20:59] <MaxMax> really how come ?
[21:00] <tomsdale> maybe more a question to the kde people - do they have a channel?
[21:00] <uga> MaxMax: just like not being able to fly is a characteristic of cars. Maybe go and try asking at #bmw if their cars can
[21:01] <uga> MaxMax: and ... if you're setting up such a large network, maybe you should be able to script name changes when syncing
[21:01] <uga> shouldn't  be hard
[21:01] <drurew>  MaxMax: Ask how your linux admin did it, he will be able to be way more helpfull then us, i promise
[21:01] <MaxMax> we dont have a linux admin, its only me im a humble windows guy
[21:02] <MaxMax> I just put the cd in expecting the distro to support this common stuff but right out of the box it does not support or appear to support the "upn" names so the point is before I start I am dead in the water
[21:03] <drurew> :D, i think what you are talking about it probably a form of terminal communication just like your command promt. the only place in linux where i find something like UPN is in the terminal (always a good place to start)
[21:03] <tomsdale_> ok - my fault - just look in dolphin -- there was an errormessage
[21:03] <tomsdale_> what's UPN
[21:04] <drurew> http://www.google.de/search?q=+UPN+&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-a
[21:04] <drurew> UPN
[21:04] <MaxMax> UPN is universal Principal Names
[21:04] <tomsdale_> Umgekehrte Polnische Notation I used to have a calculator with that :-)
[21:05] <MaxMax> its related to Activv Directory
[21:06] <MaxMax> its a way of using a friendly name like j.smith@123 .com as your user id to log into a work station
[21:06] <MaxMax> as oppose to using the older name like j.smith to log in
[21:06] <tomsdale_> ok I get it. From what I know It's pretty much all LDAP in linux land.
[21:07] <tomsdale_> question to ask is always also whether something is an official established standart. looks to me this is an active directory extension.
[21:08] <MaxMax> yea thats ok, but aside from say the networking part, I was just trying to establish if these distros supported user id's like p.smith@123.net
[21:08] <MaxMax> >
[21:09] <tomsdale_> I don't think the @ symbol works in the /etc/hosts - Because of this have weired names on my webserver.
[21:09] <whodata> Hey guys. How can I use an ftp client or something similar to connect to a website that just has a bunch of directories and file (listings) in it so i can queu the downloads? Thanks
[21:10] <MaxMax> tom its an AD extension for sure, it extends the old NT4 style user ID's but since AD is pretty much the industry standard I was hoping the distros were up to speed with these standards
[21:10] <tomsdale_> whodata: on commandline it'S wget - otherwise old bud gold httrack
[21:11] <compilerwriter> Which would be better to run Kubuntu inside windows or to use live cd and then store files on pen drive?
[21:11] <tomsdale_> MaxMax: I agree with you - that would be a nice thing to have. But I guess it didn't bother anyone enough yet to implement.
[21:12] <BluesKaj> compilerwriter, what are you trying to do ?
[21:12] <MaxMax> even if you take AD out of the equation, the likes of XP supports user names using p.smith, p.smith@123.local etc.. I was just hoping the distro would do the same by default without hand tweeking
[21:13] <MaxMax> thanx Tom, It was a bit of a culture shock when I tried to install ubuntu, I was like wtf u got to be kidding me  if you know what I mean
[21:13] <BluesKaj> compilerwriter, i use kubuntu on wubi in windows on our laptop ..works great
[21:14] <halberd> what's the kde equivalent of gnome applets? i.e. little apps that show the weather, battery life, dictionary, etc.
[21:14] <MaxMax> We were taking a hard look at replacing some windows XP work stations with ubuntu
[21:15] <tomsdale_> ok - I see where you are coming from. Actually looking at the web I actually think it's possible via mapping of attributes.
[21:15] <MaxMax> but it looks like ubuntu is not there yet with respect to inter-op, thats a real shame as the os looks nice
[21:16] <tomsdale_> but linux often also has a different approach to simplicity than Windows. Ubuntu is more the distro which tries to implement grafical simplicity to the enduser
[21:16] <markus____> where is the irc in spanish??
[21:17] <jussi01> !es
[21:17] <MaxMax> yep, tats for sure and it does a great job at that.. hats off to the programmers
[21:17] <tomsdale_> give him a UI to do his administrative work. But by default linux admins always tinker with config files and scripts - at least I do.
[21:18] <jussi01> halberd:  plasmoids
[21:18] <compilerwriter> BluesKaj I fear I have a hard drive problem on my box.  I want to continue to utilize Kubuntu but I want to do it on a machine that already has windows on it and I don't want to repartition the thing since the hard drive thing is only a temp problem now I am trying to figure out the best way to borrow cpu on another box.
[21:19] <compilerwriter> BluesKaj preferably to leave the other box untouched in the process.
[21:19] <tomsdale_> both has it's advantages and disadvantages. with a grafical UI easy to achieve config is done with acouple of mouse clicks. If it get's complicated i'd rather rely on vim grep and all the little tools. I'm quicker rather then clicking through heaps of windows.
[21:19] <MaxMax> I got no problem editing conf files, had to do it allready with resolve.conf for dns server. Tinkering is fine but my sales administritive assistant has no clue how to do this nor should she.. I really need this to be a deployable OS i.e deployable in that it supports just some common stuff like simple user id's for logging into the work station by default without editing files
[21:21] <tomsdale_> I don't have and AD running here - I'm a freelancer so it woudl be overkill here :-) but regarding rolling out an install that should be no problem whatsover.
[21:21] <jussi01> MaxMax: you are looking for graphical server config?
[21:21] <tomsdale_> I think you somehow just have to do the first config.
[21:23] <tomsdale_> MaxMax: If you are looking for a intranet/authentication soltion I think there are other providers who have the all in one approach on the server side - with webinterface etc
[21:23] <MaxMax> tom I can roll out a install No prob even without AD but the got ya is the user ID's. See at our company we have standards and one of them is that all user id's have a common format   such as j.smith@123.com etc  but if the distro dont support this its a real kick in the head as to explain why I cant deploy this OS
[21:24] <tomsdale_> MaxMax: I really know too little about this to be able to help you - but ask in the ubuntu-server channel. I think you will find more people with your background there.
[21:24] <MaxMax> like for home use , who really cares about user id's, not a big deal.. In the corporate world it is a big deal since so many companies have standardized on AD
[21:25] <tomsdale_> Here it's more really about desktop and application related stuff -
[21:25] <tomsdale_> not background maybe but who have to deal with similar problems.
[21:25] <MaxMax> ok , I will try the server ch.. thanks for the insight
[21:25] <tomsdale_> your're welcome MaxMax
[21:29] <halberd> what's a good offline dictionary program? dict-gcide?
[21:33] <compilerwriter> Has anyone figured out how to use Kubuntu as a live dvd-rw with persistence?
[21:34] <lorecaster> looking for a hand for installing OOo 3.1 ... got it downloaded, need help installing :)
[21:38] <compilerwriter> BluesKaj you still availiable?
[21:38] <compilerwriter> lorecaster did you not apt-get it?
[21:39] <lorecaster> i downloaded it from the website.
[21:39] <lorecaster> same place i got the version for my windows machine.
[21:39] <BluesKaj> compilerwriter, yeah , still here for a few mins
[21:39] <lorecaster> needed windows for my canon printer, or i would not have bothered
[21:42] <halberd> kthesaurus + wordnet is a good dictionary
[21:42] <halberd> if anybody is interested in that fact
[21:42] <lorecaster> i definitely am :) I'm a novelist
[21:43] <compilerwriter> ok I am burning knoppix iso now.  What tool am I looking for in the bugger to test hard drive.
[21:45] <max_> How can i change the 'locale' for my computer? It is currently displaying 24hr formats, and i need 12hr formats.
[21:45] <BluesKaj> gotta run ... get ready for a gig / rehearsal
[21:45] <solid_liq> !ping
[21:46] <lorecaster> can anyone give me a hand with OOo 3.1?
[21:47] <intok> why can I join kubuntu and edubuntu but not ubuntu? The proxy server recommends me here instead of ubuntu...
[21:49] <compilerwriter> Good luck with rehearsal BluesKaj
[21:54] <max_> Even though I have my time/date setting set to pH everything is still displaying time in 24hr format, not 12. How can i fix this?
[21:59] <drurew> can anyone tell me any alternatives to ebox
[21:59] <drurew> or point me to the debian etch room ?
[22:02] <jussi01> drurew: #debian should be able to point you in the right direction
[22:02] <drurew> jussi01: already there and asking :)
[22:03] <drurew> !ebox
[22:06] <jussi01> !webmin | drurew
[22:07] <markus____> por que casi todo lo de kubuntu me sale en Ingles pero ciertas partes en español??
[22:09] <max_> Hi. I'm having a problem. I cant change to 12hr time. I set that in time/date as 12hr format, and my clock is in 12hr format, but all my programs that look to that to see time/date are all in 24 hour format.
[22:09] <drurew> jussi01:thank you , ive been looking for that name since i forgot it a year back :)
[22:10] <mkargar> hello
[22:10] <drurew> jussi01: webmin
[22:10] <max_> !es | markus___
[22:11] <darkmatter_> any conky users on jaunty?
[22:17] <snarkfish> if your stuck with an ntfs drive with data on it, but you need to delete something and it wont let you (even as root) how do you check the filesystem on it for corruption?
[22:18] <snarkfish> im getting input/output errors when i goto delete an ancient backup for a client.
[22:22] <snarkfish> is there a fsck.ntfs??
[22:28] <amgarchIn9> how do I clean "Recently used" in K-menu from pr0n entries?
[22:28] <halberd> How do I specify in ~/.kde/Autostart/mystartprogs.sh that I want to launch an app in a specific virtual desktop?
[22:29] <Telengard> snarkfish : I don't know how to do it, but http://www.sysresccd.org/Main_Page probably has the right utility for you
[22:30] <snarkfish> Telengard: Thanx
[22:32] <dh003i> can someone please help me with this problem? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7446719#post7446719
[22:34] <dh003i> ﻿in KDE, neither of my keyboards (Northgate Omnikey via PS/2 or MS Natural via USB) work when I login with account 1, but they do work with my other user-name...what's going on?
[22:34] <ign0ramus> halberd, i think kstart allows that option
[22:34] <undernet> hola
[22:34] <undernet> alguiern me puede ayudar
[22:35] <ign0ramus> !es | undernet
[22:35] <ign0ramus> dh003i, 1) are you on jaunty? 2) fresh install or upgrade?
[22:36] <dh003i> 1) 9.04 ; 2) I had Kubuntu 8.10, upgraded, didn't work too well...then did fresh install, and was good
[22:37] <dh003i> how can I debug this, find out what is causing this?
[22:38] <dh003i> also, the CTRL key works (b/c when I hold that down along with scroll wheel, I can zoom in, or make Firefox text larger)...but no other key works!
[22:38] <ign0ramus> dh003i, have you tried renaming/backing up your ~/.kde folder and logging out and then back into kde?
[22:38] <LeeJunFan> Just me? Anyone who's testing 4.3 on 9.04 - do you have a printer config in systemsettings?
[22:42] <Quintasan> LeeJunFan: no printer config
[22:42] <LeeJunFan> okay, not just me then. Ah, I see now - the package is there but doesn't contain the components.
[22:46] <dh003i> ign0ramus: ok, renaming my .kde folder worked....what happened?
[22:46] <dh003i> ign0ramus: how can I find out what setting screwed things up? (and how can I get back other custom config files in .kde)
[22:47] <ign0ramus> dh003i, it sounded like permissions were messed up.  have fun sorting through which one it was though.  you may want to try the kdm log, but other than that, i don't really have a clue
[22:48] <ign0ramus> dh003i, when one user can do something that another (same-level) user can't, it's permissions
[22:48] <dh003i> weird
[22:48] <dh003i> I think all that I customized was KDE favorites
[22:48] <ign0ramus> dh003i, it is, but alas, happens all the time :/
[22:48] <dh003i> is there a way I can find the custom settings that are important to me, and back them up with permissions?
[22:49] <dh003i> i.e., KDE favorites menu, and default behavior for double-clicking on title-bar (i.e., to "shade" it)
[22:49] <ign0ramus> dh003i, well a new ~/.kde has been created for you now, so you can tweak it if you want, or import the ones you already had, one by one.  eventually, you'll find your roadblock
[22:49] <ign0ramus> dh003i, but i'd check the kdm logs anyway
[22:50] <ign0ramus> dh003i, as you've already checked your xorg log
[22:50] <dh003i> how do I check kdm logs?
[22:50] <dh003i> I mean, where are they
[22:50] <dh003i> nm, found
[22:51] <dh003i> why are there more than one kdm.log?
[22:51] <dh003i> i.e., kdm.log.1, kdm.log.2.gz, kdm.log.3.gz, ... up to 5
[22:51] <ign0ramus> dh003i, i'm not positive about the multiple versions, but i can confirm that i have multiple also
[22:52] <dh003i> hmm, kdm logs look like Xorg.0.log files
[22:52] <davidjheinrich> hi, I'm dh003i on his other computer
[22:53] <davidjheinrich> I mean, I'm on the comp that wasn't working before
[22:53] <drurew> exit
[22:54] <ign0ramus> davidjheinrich, i see that i have some xkbcomp errors, but they don't seem to affect usability...
[22:54] <davidjheinrich> lemme check mine
[22:55] <davidjheinrich> I see (EE) XKB: No components provided for device Virtual core keyboard
[22:56] <davidjheinrich> I also see a bunch of lines like this: (EE) config/hal: NewInputDeviceRequest failed (8)
[22:59] <phlexonance> when I do apt-get searches it seems like there are more apps for kde than for gnome, is that true?
[23:01] <ign0ramus> phlexonance, i would imagine there are more gnome or gtk apps in general.  of course it easy to spot KDE app kause they konstantly kremind you that they are kde apps
[23:01] <phlexonance> so it's a case of confirmation bias
[23:01] <ign0ramus> phlexonance, in so many words, yes.
[23:06] <davidjheinrich> ign0ramus: do you have a recommendation for the best incremental backup solution, where I can specify what to be incrementally backed up? anything like flyback or timevault for KDE that as a GUI, but can also be accessed from command-line?
[23:06] <ign0ramus> davidjheinrich, have you looked into rsync?
[23:07] <davidjheinrich> that's command-line only thought right?
[23:09] <ign0ramus> davidjheinrich, dont' know - there may be gui's out for it now
[23:09] <ign0ramus> davidjheinrich, what a surprise!  there's a kde gui for rsync, cleverly titled "krysnc"!
[23:09] <ign0ramus> *"krsync"
[23:11] <davidjheinrich> cool, I'll check it out
[23:17] <lorecaster> can anyone give me a hand installing OOo?
[23:18] <lorecaster> wanna install the 64-bit app, 3.01
[23:18] <lorecaster> 3.1, rather
[23:21] <lorecaster> anyone? :(
[23:28] <Guest12047> hi
[23:28] <Guest12047> i need help with upgrading my kubuntu 9.04
[23:29] <Guest12047> to the lastest kde 4.3 beta 2
[23:29] <Guest12047> anybody?
[23:29] <Guest12047> :/
[23:33] <bad> hi every one
[23:34] <commander_> how can i get synaptics package manager?
[23:34] <bad> my fonts in k 9.04 looks strange when i minimize windows? i use nvidia drivers!
[23:34] <bad> can some one help me?
[23:36] <Dragnslcr> commander_- you should be able to install it with KPackageKit or apt-get
[23:37] <Polaroid> O hai. I just installed Kubuntu 8.10, havent changed a thing. How do I set up my Internet Connection? Connecting through cable - switch - cable - router - modem
[23:37] <Polaroid> It's not setup "out-of-the-box"
[23:37] <commander_> how u do apt-get?
[23:39] <solifugus> I re-downloaded and re-installed kubuntu last night.. But adept says it can only give read-only access.. and I keep getting some kde crash notice about something.. (I installed all updates right after installation)
[23:40] <solifugus> I can use the command line, apt-cache and apt-get, but how can I set the thing to install non-free stuff like my nvidia driver and adobe flash?
[23:41] <solifugus> (I did the re-install cause I wanted to do Google App Engine work which requires python 2.5 and so uninstalling python 2.6.2 automatically removed X and almost everything else GUI + other stuff..
[23:41] <solifugus> basically hosed my system..
[23:42] <solifugus> except I retained data
[23:42] <solifugus> I wish core things weren't made to depend on python.. seriously..
[23:46] <solifugus> There's no reason why basic system stuff cannot be done in bash...  but if something else.. why python?  It's the most out of whack with the rest of languages language on earth..
[23:47] <solifugus> I've only been coding in python for a few weeks.. and even though I am getting much better with it, I cannot stop shaking my head at the stupid aspects of the langauge I keep running into..
[23:48] <solifugus> I learned and used many languages but python is just ugly and unproductive (for a high level language).. php_cli is MUCH preferable.. or JavaScript--v8 is easy to embed and use for command line stuff..  but bash is more than capable..
[23:56] <neoandersen> which player do you use to listen cd?
[23:56] <neoandersen> I am not being able to listen mine...
[23:56] <neoandersen> Help!
[23:57] <Polaroid> Need help setting up Internet Connection
[23:57] <Polaroid> Out of the box Kubuntu 8.10
[23:59] <ign0ramus> neoandersen, do you have kubuntu-restricted-extras and w32-codecs installed?