| robert_ancell | TheMuso: hi | 00:09 |
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| TheMuso | robert_ancell: Hey there. | 00:09 |
| robert_ancell | TheMuso: I have a BZR question... I've made a branch lp:~robert-ancell/gdl/ubuntu which I was trying some packaging ideas. Now I don't want these changes anymore. How do I a) mege with lp:~ubuntu-desktop/gdl/ubuntu or b) delete this branch? Which is more correct? | 00:11 |
| TheMuso | robert_ancell: If you want to delete the branch, you want to go to http://launchpad.net/gdl/+branches and delete the branch from there. | 00:11 |
| robert_ancell | TheMuso: thanks, I assume I can do that from the command-line too? | 00:13 |
| TheMuso | robert_ancell: Not that I know of. | 00:14 |
| TheMuso | Sure you can delete the branch locally, but I am not sure about deleting it from LP on the command line. | 00:14 |
| rickspencer3 | hi TheMuso | 00:14 |
| rickspencer3 | thanks for your awesome interview feedback | 00:15 |
| TheMuso | Hey rickspencer3. | 00:15 |
| TheMuso | rickspencer3: np | 00:15 |
| rickspencer3 | I would like to put it on the wiki as an example of good quality interview feedback | 00:15 |
| rickspencer3 | would that be ok with you? | 00:15 |
| TheMuso | rickspencer3: BTW, I have a spec that I need approved. Its in the review stage, but hasn't yet been looked at. Do I need to do anything special? | 00:15 |
| TheMuso | rickspencer3: Sure, go ahead./ | 00:15 |
| rickspencer3 | in terms of the spec, who is the approver? | 00:15 |
| TheMuso | rickspencer3: It was foundations/Robbie, but the approver was changed to you. let me double check that. | 00:16 |
| rickspencer3 | TheMuso: send me a link | 00:16 |
| rickspencer3 | the approver should probably be pitti | 00:16 |
| TheMuso | https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-karmic-gnome-speech-replacement | 00:16 |
| rickspencer3 | TheMuso: I set pitti as approver, and set it to "pending approval" which will trigger pitti to review it | 00:18 |
| TheMuso | rickspencer3: Thanks a lot. | 00:18 |
| rickspencer3 | he'll set it to approved, or make comments and send it back to "drafting" | 00:18 |
| rickspencer3 | n/p | 00:18 |
| TheMuso | Gotcha, I know the process. | 00:18 |
| kalon33 | good night ! | 00:38 |
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| Rammler1983 | hallo, i can't log in after installing the latest ati driver | 02:17 |
| TheMuso | Rammler1983: What version of Ubuntu are you using? | 02:20 |
| Rammler1983 | 9.04 | 02:21 |
| TheMuso | Rammler1983: Are you talking about the fglrx proprietary driver, or the free driver? | 02:21 |
| Rammler1983 | after updating with update manager in ubuntu and i restart the laptop the system freezes | 02:22 |
| TheMuso | How does it freeze? DO you get a login screen? | 02:23 |
| Rammler1983 | no | 02:23 |
| Rammler1983 | after choosing | 02:23 |
| Rammler1983 | ubuntu 9.04 | 02:23 |
| Rammler1983 | i get the logo | 02:24 |
| TheMuso | Rammler1983: Ok. Do you still have the 2.6.28-7 kernel installed, and if so, can you boot that ok? | 02:24 |
| Rammler1983 | but it not sharp | 02:24 |
| Rammler1983 | no | 02:24 |
| Rammler1983 | i cant | 02:24 |
| Rammler1983 | i tried the alle the recovery options | 02:25 |
| Rammler1983 | and still not | 02:25 |
| TheMuso | Hmm. If you boot with recovery mode, do you get any error messages at the time of the freeze? | 02:26 |
| Rammler1983 | no | 02:26 |
| Rammler1983 | it just freezes | 02:26 |
| Rammler1983 | with out updating everything is fine | 02:26 |
| Rammler1983 | but i can't use the effects | 02:26 |
| TheMuso | Rammler1983: ok, so you can't boot at all. What kernel are you trying to boot? | 02:29 |
| Rammler1983 | the latest one | 02:30 |
| Rammler1983 | just a sec. | 02:30 |
| Rammler1983 | http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Gutsy_Installation_Guide | 02:31 |
| Rammler1983 | i used method 1 | 02:32 |
| Rammler1983 | 2.6.28-11-generic kernel | 02:33 |
| TheMuso | hrm ok | 02:35 |
| TheMuso | Sorry I'm not sure whats going on then. | 02:35 |
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| didrocks | good morning | 07:28 |
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| * robert_ancell has made lots of enemies with his bug triaging in compiz. Apparently LP stupidly is happily spamming everyone who is subscribed with duplicate reports (there are >200 of them) | 08:26 | |
| pitti | Good morning | 09:03 |
| seb128 | pitti: guten tag! | 09:16 |
| Ampelbein | seb128: good morning. I am unsure about your comment on bug 345727. I can't find a change done outside debian/* and apparently the patch still gets applied in the latest ubuntu-package. If I look at the diff introducing the fix (http://launchpadlibrarian.net/24141917/seahorse-plugins_2.26.0-0ubuntu1_2.26.0-0ubuntu2.diff.gz) I see that it is properly made as a patch and in revision 6 of the bzr branch this change was applied. | 10:00 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 345727 in seahorse-plugins "Seahorse-agent writes an empty ~/.gnupg/gpg.conf on first run, breaking email signing in KDE" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/345727 | 10:00 |
| seb128 | Ampelbein: the changelog entry is misleading then | 10:01 |
| seb128 | " * libseahorse/seahorse-gpg-options.c: | 10:01 |
| seb128 | - Copy gpg.conf skel instead of creating blank file | 10:02 |
| seb128 | " | 10:02 |
| seb128 | I've not looked into the source | 10:02 |
| Ampelbein | seb128: right, got confused by that at first too. | 10:02 |
| seb128 | not sure why they claim the change is not in the current version then | 10:02 |
| seb128 | anyway that should be sent upstream in any case | 10:02 |
| Ampelbein | seb128: I will do that. | 10:05 |
| Ampelbein | seb128: and i can confirm that this works correctly in karmic: "mv ~/.gnupg/gpg.conf .." ; seahorse-agent produces a correctly copied skeleton gpg.conf | 10:08 |
| seb128 | grrrr at karmic | 10:25 |
| seb128 | so running away from my laptop for half an hour means I've a system I need to powerdown using the power button when coming back now | 10:25 |
| Ampelbein | why is that? | 10:26 |
| seb128 | because the box does nothing | 10:26 |
| seb128 | blank screen doesn't react to vt changes, etc | 10:26 |
| Ampelbein | hm, i have no problems at all, nvidia graphics. can leave for hours, still working after. | 10:27 |
| pitti | ugh, I hope Robert used a script to fix the duplicates and didn't do this by hand | 10:39 |
| seb128 | which ones? | 10:39 |
| pitti | all the compiz ones | 10:40 |
| pitti | got some 100 mails | 10:40 |
| seb128 | we discussed duplicates of duplicates at uds and listed a tool to do the magic for that if that's what you are talking about | 10:40 |
| Laney | what's the point of all this de- and re-duping of that compiz bug? | 11:28 |
| Laney | it will be flooding lots of peoples inboxes | 11:28 |
| seb128 | Laney: not keeping a duplicate open I guess | 11:35 |
| seb128 | launchpad doesn't let you mark duplicate a bug which has duplicate | 11:36 |
| Laney | I just wonder if the gain is worth the pain | 11:36 |
| seb128 | it didn't cost a lot either | 11:37 |
| seiflotfy1 | hey guys | 12:09 |
| seiflotfy1 | dunno where to bing this topic up | 12:09 |
| seiflotfy1 | but at UDS i talked to Bono | 12:10 |
| seiflotfy1 | i mean jono | 12:10 |
| seiflotfy1 | he had the idea of writing an application that teaches people who cant read and write to do so | 12:10 |
| jpds | Haha, Bono :) | 12:38 |
| seiflotfy1 | sorry | 12:41 |
| seiflotfy1 | :P | 12:41 |
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| kalon33 | ^^ | 12:47 |
| * seb128_ kicks karmic | 12:53 | |
| seb128_ | if somebody talked to me recently please say whatever you said again, karmic just crash my laptop when I'm away for a while | 12:54 |
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| kalon33 | it's karmic, just logical it is not yet quite stable ^^ | 12:55 |
| kalon33 | but it doesn't work so bad here :) | 12:55 |
| kalon33 | hello crevette | 13:13 |
| crevette | hello | 13:13 |
| crevette | hey kalon33 | 13:14 |
| Nafallo | kenvandine: confirmed that there will be a gajim 0.12.3 soon. | 13:38 |
| kenvandine | Nafallo: cool | 13:38 |
| kenvandine | Nafallo: did you get a chance to see why notifications aren't called? | 13:38 |
| Nafallo | kenvandine: nope | 13:38 |
| Nafallo | kenvandine: I did however get a chance to package 0.12.2 :-D | 13:38 |
| kenvandine | :) | 13:38 |
| kenvandine | still broken though? | 13:39 |
| Nafallo | kenvandine: yes. | 13:39 |
| Nafallo | kenvandine: are you sure it ever worked? ;-) | 13:39 |
| kenvandine | yes... positive... i have screenshots somewhere :) | 13:39 |
| kenvandine | in it's current state, at least last i tried, it doesn't even show the libnotify notifications | 13:40 |
| Nafallo | ehrm. does for me. | 13:40 |
| Nafallo | if you mean notify-osd stuff. | 13:40 |
| kenvandine | yes | 13:40 |
| kenvandine | well then it should work with the indicator | 13:41 |
| kenvandine | that had stopped working for me | 13:41 |
| kenvandine | the method that does that wasn't even getting called | 13:41 |
| Nafallo | the only part that works with the indicator is that I can see gajim in the list :-) | 13:41 |
| kenvandine | i even tried in a guest session, so no local config | 13:41 |
| Nafallo | hmm. weird. | 13:41 |
| asac | Nafallo: can you please upload latest gajim crack now? | 13:46 |
| asac | i am still suffering bugs i haveing filed a report for ;) | 13:47 |
| asac | havent | 13:47 |
| Nafallo | asac: I have it in my PPA. what's the bug? | 13:47 |
| Nafallo | asac: also... I have it in the wrong ppa. let me fix that :-) | 13:47 |
| asac | Nafallo: error dialogs jumping in my face whenever you (in particular) send a message | 13:48 |
| asac | Nafallo: why not push to karmic? | 13:48 |
| asac | i dont want to add yet another PPA ;) | 13:48 |
| asac | unless you have snapshots in there or something similar sexy | 13:48 |
| Nafallo | asac: oki. fair enough. | 13:49 |
| asac | Nafallo: so why didnt you upload to karmic ;)? | 13:51 |
| Nafallo | asac: because the publisher haven't ran yet? | 13:52 |
| asac | Nafallo: ah so you already uploaded to real archive? nice. | 13:52 |
| Nafallo | and ppa | 13:53 |
| seb128 | pitti: what do we do if our specs don't fit well with having a list of tasks? | 14:09 |
| crevette_ | hey seb128 | 14:10 |
| pitti | seb128: as I wrote, just split them up as sensible | 14:10 |
| seb128 | lut crevette_ | 14:10 |
| seb128 | pitti: hum, I'm not sure how to split the GNOME3 one, that's virtually an hundred small tasks ... should I spend a day listing all those? | 14:11 |
| pitti | seb128: e. g. the banshee one could be "package new version", "measure memory requirements", "write MIRs", "change seeds" | 14:11 |
| pitti | seb128: no, of course not | 14:11 |
| seb128 | ie gnome-vfs has 37 rdepends in main | 14:11 |
| seb128 | libglade around 60 | 14:12 |
| seb128 | etc | 14:12 |
| pitti | seb128: packaging gnome/zeitgeist are obvious ones | 14:12 |
| pitti | seb128: I guess you can't work on all 97 anyway? :-) | 14:12 |
| seb128 | no, but I'm not sure what are realistic or not so I'm having difficulties putting a metric on that | 14:13 |
| seb128 | that's why I'm asking ;-) | 14:13 |
| seb128 | I was going to go on the best effort metric | 14:13 |
| pitti | seb128: yeah, this spec is very blurry | 14:13 |
| pitti | seb128: you could just split it up by "drop gnome-vfs" and "drop libglade", together with the two packaging ones | 14:14 |
| seb128 | I can add "reduce gnome-vfs use" | 14:14 |
| seb128 | but that will not be DONE 100% in karmic | 14:14 |
| pitti | seb128: just ignore them for now, I think, and just add zeitgeist/gshell | 14:14 |
| seb128 | ok | 14:14 |
| seb128 | thanks! | 14:14 |
| seb128 | I will add those as goal with a comment saying having a precise metric will not be easy | 14:15 |
| pitti | well, since we don't have a precise goal, you can't have a precise metric :) | 14:15 |
| pitti | but let's not worry about this too much | 14:15 |
| pitti | having the "must have" facts in work items will suffice for the purpose | 14:16 |
| pitti | WI don't cover all of our work anyway | 14:16 |
| pitti | (bugs, mail, SRU, and whatnot) | 14:16 |
| pitti | rickspencer3-afk: ping | 14:50 |
| fta | anyone familiar with the nautilus internals? | 14:50 |
| fta | i need to know which part is responsible for the smtp dialogue | 14:51 |
| asac | i guess seb128 ^^ | 14:51 |
| fta | -nautilus+evolution | 14:52 |
| crevette_ | nautilus and smtp? | 14:52 |
| fta | oops | 14:52 |
| crevette_ | ha | 14:52 |
| seb128 | what dialog? | 14:52 |
| fta | SMTP | 14:52 |
| seb128 | smtp is what you use to send emails | 14:52 |
| fta | between the client and the server | 14:52 |
| seb128 | do you speak about the sent bar? the preference dialog? | 14:52 |
| seb128 | the account details? | 14:52 |
| asac | or the protocol impl? | 14:52 |
| pitti | rickspencer3-afk: I got my work items parsing/CSV generation script ready | 14:53 |
| seb128 | anyway better to ask on #evolution on irc.gnome.org | 14:53 |
| pitti | rickspencer3-afk: but it seems that the trend line in burndown.py is utterly hardcoded? | 14:53 |
| seb128 | they are responsive and probably know the code better, I'm hanging there too | 14:53 |
| fta | seb128, asac: the protocol implementation, the headers sent by evolution are not good enough to use in my corporate environment | 14:53 |
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| rickspencer3 | pitti: yes, totally hard coded | 14:54 |
| pitti | rickspencer3: good morning | 14:54 |
| rickspencer3 | I couldn't figure out how to access x,y coords of elements in the chart | 14:54 |
| rickspencer3 | seems pychart just burns off the image, and then forgets about it | 14:54 |
| seb128 | fta: the communication is in evolution-data-server | 14:54 |
| asac | fta: yeah the word dialog is then confusing because this usually refers to UI. | 14:54 |
| pitti | rickspencer3: this is line.draw([(0,380),(725, 0)]) | 14:54 |
| pitti | ? | 14:54 |
| rickspencer3 | pitti: right | 14:55 |
| rickspencer3 | and line is actually an arrow :) | 14:55 |
| fta | seb128, thanks. looking into that now. | 14:56 |
| fta | ok, found it.. camel/providers/smtp/camel-smtp-transport.c 1520 lines, yeah! oh, joy! | 15:05 |
| glatzor | Riddell, mvo: hello. I would like to push packagekit 0.4.8 to karmic. | 15:14 |
| glatzor | Riddell, mvo: Unfortunately it contains an api break in the qt libs without a so name change | 15:15 |
| glatzor | Riddell, so kpackagekit 0.4.1 has to be uploaded too | 15:17 |
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| ahe | is there a graphical frontend for x redirection, already? | 15:56 |
| ahe | i'm looking for something that allows to explore the gnome menu of a remote machine and select and start programs for execution with display on my local screen | 15:57 |
| ahe | another cool feature would be to start a remote desktop session with display in a xnest on the local machine | 15:58 |
| ahe | if nobody knows such a tool i create a blueprint | 16:01 |
| kenvandine | pitti: putting a blueprint into "review" sends it to the approver for review? | 16:05 |
| pitti | kenvandine: yes | 16:13 |
| seb128 | what is the recommended python way to read a txt file on a http location? | 16:17 |
| crevette | urllib2?? | 16:17 |
| crevette | urllib2.urlopen('http://www.google.com').read() | 16:18 |
| crevette | I would say that, it is included in the default python install, but perhaps there is better? | 16:19 |
| james_w | that's pretty good | 16:19 |
| james_w | you need more if you want specific things with redirects, etags etc., but that'll work fine | 16:20 |
| seb128 | I don't need to read a web page, just a txt file on a people location | 16:20 |
| crevette | urllib2.urlopen('http://www.google.com/anyfile.txt').read() would work too I guess seb128 | 16:21 |
| seb128 | I was pondering copying it locally and checking the timestamp before downloading again | 16:21 |
| calc | pitti: do you happen to know why bip seems to prepend + to every message? | 16:25 |
| pitti | calc: I'm not using bip, I don't know | 16:26 |
| calc | pitti: ok | 16:26 |
| pitti | seb128: I was typing that 5 mins ago, but I got disconnected | 16:26 |
| pitti | for line-by-line this is most convenient: | 16:27 |
| pitti | for line in urllib.urlopen('http://foo'): | 16:27 |
| pitti | print line | 16:27 |
| seb128 | pitti: thanks | 16:27 |
| kenvandine | pitti: new release of telepathy-glib do out and uploaded to debian within the hour | 16:29 |
| kenvandine | :) | 16:29 |
| pitti | \o/ | 16:29 |
| kenvandine | with this bug fixed of course | 16:29 |
| kenvandine | pitti: tp upstream is great :) | 16:29 |
| jcastro | seb128: any word on tomboy 14.2 for jaunty? upstream fixed jaunty bugs and they are keen on getting it out to people | 16:31 |
| seb128 | jcastro: go for it? | 16:33 |
| seb128 | jcastro: I'm not working on tomboy but I'm fine having a new version sru | 16:33 |
| jcastro | seb128: is anyone available to work on it? it kind of sucks when an upstream fixes our bugs and they don't end up back in the distro. (understand that everyone is busy) | 16:34 |
| seb128 | dunno but I'm sure we can find somebody easily next week | 16:34 |
| jcastro | k | 16:34 |
| seb128 | it's just almost 6pm on a friday there | 16:34 |
| * jcastro nods | 16:35 | |
| jcastro | I didn't mean right now. :D | 16:35 |
| seb128 | I will find somebody to do the update and do the sponsoring next week | 16:35 |
| seb128 | so we already have an updated and a reviewed in the loop and we just need sru verification | 16:35 |
| seb128 | which pedro can easily do ;-) | 16:35 |
| jcastro | yeah it can just get frustrating for an upstream when they ship fixes and there's a lag there. | 16:37 |
| jcastro | and then the users are bugging them about bugs they fixed already | 16:37 |
| seb128 | well we don't do stable version updates in stable for non lts versions | 16:39 |
| seb128 | if nobody comes to bug us about the update that's it | 16:40 |
| pitti | jcastro: fine if someone from community wants to do the packaging and put it into jaunty-backports or so | 16:40 |
| didrocks | seb128: gnome-python-destkop had a bugbuddy binding without depending on bugbuddy package (as it's in universe). With the package split (there is one package for gnome-python-bugbuddy), do I achieve the same thing? Having this package with the binding, but not depending to the universe bugbuddy package? | 16:45 |
| pitti | didrocks: I think it'd make sense for gnome-python-bugbuddy to depend on bugbuddy | 16:46 |
| seb128 | didrocks: yes | 16:46 |
| jcastro | seb128: don't we cherry pick fixes from stable gnome point releases? | 16:46 |
| pitti | jcastro: only if they match our SRU criteria and someone requests them | 16:46 |
| didrocks | pitti: but bugbuddy is in universe, gnome-python-desktop in main | 16:46 |
| jcastro | ok | 16:46 |
| seb128 | jcastro: we do when we have issues which seem worth doing that, not sure if there is one on tomboy right now | 16:46 |
| pitti | didrocks: right, but if there's a split out g-p-bugbuddy, this particular package could be in universe; I suppose we don't need it in main? | 16:46 |
| seb128 | pitti: packages that "import bugbuddy" will likely need patching need ... | 16:47 |
| seb128 | pitti: it's easy to install the binding and make it handle the case where bug-buddy is not installed | 16:47 |
| pitti | seb128: for the g-p-d -> g-p-b dependency change? | 16:47 |
| seb128 | if you want to move the binary to universe | 16:47 |
| seb128 | g-p-bugbuddy that is | 16:48 |
| didrocks | pitti: is it possible in Ubuntu policy? Having a source package providing bin packages in both main and universe? | 16:48 |
| seb128 | I think app importing it should depend on it | 16:48 |
| pitti | didrocks: yes | 16:48 |
| didrocks | ok, so, I can remove the patch, adding the b-d and put the splitted package in universe | 16:48 |
| seb128 | well, will pychess start if pybugbuddy is not installed? | 16:48 |
| seb128 | or will it bail on the import bugbuddy which is not in a try statement? | 16:49 |
| didrocks | seb128: I will try this | 16:49 |
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| hggdh | pitti, ping | 17:26 |
| pitti | hi hggdh | 17:26 |
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| hggdh | hi pitti. I am writing an apport hook for Evolution; the main objective is to sanitise the BTs so that private data is masked. So... is there a way of reconstructing the crash file from a bug? | 17:27 |
| hggdh | this will allow me to locally run the hook under apport-retrace, and check it | 17:27 |
| pitti | hggdh: there's no CLI for it, but it's not particularly hard | 17:33 |
| pitti | hang on | 17:33 |
| pitti | hggdh: but if you just want to test a hook, why bother with uploading it first at all? | 17:34 |
| pitti | you could just use the details expander to see what it would send, and then cancel? | 17:34 |
| pitti | hggdh: problem is, there is a function to download a report, but it doesn't grab all attachments; just the ones needed for retracing and duplication | 17:35 |
| pitti | but for your purpose you probably want all attachments | 17:35 |
| pitti | rickspencer3: fixed the "work items" syntax on https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-karmic-bug-workflow FYI | 17:40 |
| hggdh | pitti, yes. The problem is that I have to test it against bugs that do have the fields I need to mask out; on the other hand, I do not really need all attachments, just the BT and StackBT, so the function you have might be a good start point | 17:40 |
| hggdh | if, of course, you do not mind sharing it | 17:40 |
| rickspencer3 | pitti: oops, I just stomped on your changes, I think | 17:41 |
| pitti | hggdh: right, the curent function does fetch those | 17:41 |
| pitti | hggdh: look at sr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/apport/crashdb_impl/launchpad.py, APPORT_FILES | 17:41 |
| pitti | hggdh: are those enough for you? | 17:42 |
| hggdh | looking | 17:42 |
| seb128 | http://people.ubuntu.com/~seb128/versions.html | 17:43 |
| seb128 | ^ first version, I've to make that clear and nicer now | 17:43 |
| pitti | seb128: nice! | 17:43 |
| seb128 | but that list debian, ubuntu, upstream versions | 17:44 |
| hggdh | pitti, yes, thank you | 17:44 |
| seb128 | and color lines for merges and updates required | 17:44 |
| pitti | hggdh: python -c 'from apport.crashdb import get_crashdb; c=get_crashdb(None); r=c.download(338478); r.write(open("/tmp/report.crash", "w"))' | 17:44 |
| pitti | hggdh: sorry, I know it's not nice, but perhaps throw it in a small shell script and call it apport-download? | 17:44 |
| pitti | I guess I should add that to the apport package itself | 17:44 |
| hggdh | :-) | 17:44 |
| hggdh | If what I am trying to do succeeds, we might consider adding it to the hooks-utils | 17:45 |
| pitti | seb128: what's the color key right now? | 17:45 |
| seb128 | red = new upstream version | 17:45 |
| seb128 | orange = newer upstream and in debian | 17:45 |
| seb128 | yellow = current upstream version but newer revision in debian | 17:46 |
| pitti | great | 17:46 |
| seb128 | so yellow = to merge | 17:46 |
| seb128 | red = to upgrade | 17:46 |
| seb128 | orange is to merge and upgrade | 17:46 |
| pitti | rickspencer3: np | 17:46 |
| pitti | rickspencer3: fixed again | 17:47 |
| pitti | ugh, today I got 7 new specs to review | 17:47 |
| rickspencer3 | I see, doesn't like my moin :) | 17:48 |
| rickspencer3 | pitti: I'm not much with the regex, but doesn;t the i in "items" need to be lower? | 17:48 |
| pitti | rickspencer3: //i -> case independent | 17:49 |
| pitti | rickspencer3: wOrk iTEMs will work as well | 17:49 |
| pitti | rickspencer3: but *shrug* I can just extend it to digest = .. = | 17:49 |
| rickspencer3 | don't bother | 17:50 |
| rickspencer3 | thanks though | 17:51 |
| rickspencer3 | pitti: in terms of quickly, .quickly file is bad? no hidden files? | 17:52 |
| pitti | rickspencer3: why would you want hidden files? that's confusing | 17:53 |
| rickspencer3 | that's fair feedback | 17:53 |
| pitti | and I'm not even sure whether Debian Policy allows shipping hidden files in packages | 17:53 |
| rickspencer3 | what should w call it? | 17:53 |
| rickspencer3 | this would *create* a hidden file, not ship one | 17:53 |
| pitti | quickly.conf | 17:53 |
| pitti | ? | 17:53 |
| rickspencer3 | it would make "magic" | 17:53 |
| pitti | rickspencer3: what does that file do? | 17:54 |
| rickspencer3 | this would be a per *instantiated* file | 17:54 |
| rickspencer3 | it is a container for information about a particular project | 17:54 |
| rickspencer3 | so if I do: | 17:54 |
| rickspencer3 | $quickly new ubuntu-project birds | 17:54 |
| rickspencer3 | this would create a project called "birds" | 17:54 |
| rickspencer3 | in that directory called "birds" is a file that contains information that quickly needs, most importantly the template that created it | 17:55 |
| rickspencer3 | so it would have: | 17:55 |
| rickspencer3 | template = ubuntu-project | 17:55 |
| rickspencer3 | but you could imagine extended it | 17:55 |
| rickspencer3 | currently this file is .quickly | 17:55 |
| rickspencer3 | but perhaps naming it something more descriptive and making it visible makes sense | 17:56 |
| rickspencer3 | didrocks: ^^^^ | 17:56 |
| rickspencer3 | proj | 17:56 |
| rickspencer3 | proj.conf | 17:56 |
| rickspencer3 | quickly.proj | 17:56 |
| rickspencer3 | birds.proj | 17:56 |
| rickspencer3 | ??? | 17:56 |
| rickspencer3 | birds.quickly | 17:56 |
| pitti | rickspencer3: I wouldn't make the name project specific | 17:58 |
| didrocks | rickspencer3: yes ? :) | 17:58 |
| pitti | quickly.conf is easy to find, and similarly static than "Makefile" | 17:58 |
| rickspencer3 | why not (out of curiousity?) | 17:58 |
| pitti | (IMHO) | 17:58 |
| didrocks | (backlogging) | 17:58 |
| rickspencer3 | didrocks: discussing the naming of ".quickly" | 17:58 |
| pitti | rickspencer3: well, you could parse *.conf and decide which ones are for quickly, but what happens if you have several? | 17:59 |
| rickspencer3 | does quickly.conf not suggest that you are configuring quickly itself, rather than the app you are creating? | 17:59 |
| pitti | well, "Makefile" doesn't configure make itself, just how to use make | 17:59 |
| rickspencer3 | if it's birds.quickly, it would be quite easy to find, and the meaning of the file may be quite clear to users | 17:59 |
| dobey | is '.quickly' a desktop file? | 17:59 |
| didrocks | pitti: the new spec revision is more verbose about this .quickly file | 17:59 |
| rickspencer3 | right, but this is a different user (not that I'm disagreeing) | 17:59 |
| pitti | rickspencer3: does it make sense to have several? | 18:00 |
| rickspencer3 | pitti: not really | 18:00 |
| rickspencer3 | I guess RoR names all their files the same, not per project | 18:00 |
| pitti | rickspencer3: that's what I thought, too | 18:00 |
| didrocks | so, .quickly file seems good, no? :) | 18:01 |
| pitti | so why not call it "quickly.conf" then? then you can't have two | 18:01 |
| rickspencer3 | didrocks: I think making it hidden is not optimal | 18:01 |
| didrocks | pitti: I think this is an internal quickly function. The user doesn't have to change it | 18:01 |
| didrocks | rickspencer3: see above :) | 18:01 |
| didrocks | my purpose is to manipulate it by quickly commands | 18:02 |
| didrocks | so, no user direct interaction. (like .bzr folder in bzr branch) | 18:02 |
| pitti | well, it's your baby, but personally I find hidden files very confusing | 18:02 |
| pitti | it's way too easy to miss them when producing tarballs, backups, packages, etc. | 18:02 |
| rickspencer3 | pitti: may we leave it .quickly until we get some user feedback? | 18:02 |
| kenvandine | rickspencer3: i agree with pitti | 18:02 |
| rickspencer3 | I think didrocks gets to decide | 18:02 |
| rickspencer3 | :) | 18:02 |
| pitti | didrocks: you don't tar up .bzr/ and mail it to a friend | 18:03 |
| rickspencer3 | you should rather quickly deb | 18:03 |
| rickspencer3 | :) | 18:03 |
| didrocks | no, I just wait for "professional feedback", so we can make it quickly.conf | 18:03 |
| rickspencer3 | pitti: will you approve the spec if I leave this an open issue? | 18:03 |
| didrocks | I'm juste afraid quickly user won't understand it and remove it | 18:03 |
| didrocks | just* | 18:04 |
| pitti | rickspencer3: sure, but I wanted to mention it and point out the potential traps | 18:04 |
| rickspencer3 | yes | 18:04 |
| pitti | and be aware that it's hard to change afterwards | 18:04 |
| rickspencer3 | I don't think we need to block on it now though | 18:04 |
| pitti | and it'd be the first build system which relies on hidden files | 18:04 |
| rickspencer3 | I'm tending to agree with pitti at this point, and am wondering whether having a simple to edit configuration file might be a good thing | 18:05 |
| rickspencer3 | though I still like birds.quickly | 18:05 |
| didrocks | pitti: I don't see really any difference with .quickly and .bzr-builddeb | 18:05 |
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| pitti | didrocks: *shrug* okay; when I wrote that, I didn't know what .quickly was (that was another point that I mentioned which needed clarification) | 18:07 |
| pitti | if the user should never touch it, fine for me | 18:07 |
| didrocks | pitti: is the new spec version more clear? | 18:07 |
| pitti | didrocks: didn't have a look at the newer version (-EOVERLOAD) | 18:07 |
| didrocks | pitti: ok, that's why I didn't understand :) | 18:08 |
| rickspencer3 | didrocks: I am extracting work items and putting them on the whiteboard so we can track during Karmic | 18:08 |
| rickspencer3 | could you review those when I am done? | 18:08 |
| didrocks | so, having an hidden file makes sense? | 18:08 |
| didrocks | rickspencer3: sure, but I hadn't the time to follow the meeting about work items handling, are they just opened bug? | 18:09 |
| rickspencer3 | didrocks: no, we're tracking on the whitebaord | 18:09 |
| rickspencer3 | it will be rather obvious I think | 18:09 |
| rickspencer3 | check it out in like 1 minute | 18:09 |
| didrocks | rickspencer3: ok, just drop me the link and I will review them :) | 18:09 |
| didrocks | (still fighting with gnome-python-desktop stuff ^^) | 18:10 |
| rickspencer3 | didrocks: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-karmic-quickly | 18:11 |
| rickspencer3 | when you get the chance | 18:11 |
| rickspencer3 | please add ones that are missing | 18:11 |
| rickspencer3 | and if you feel some are done, change TODO to DONE | 18:11 |
| rickspencer3 | Thanks! | 18:11 |
| didrocks | rickspencer3: I will do this during the week-end. Having my dinner now :) | 18:12 |
| rickspencer3 | :) | 18:12 |
| rickspencer3 | didrocks: great | 18:12 |
| rickspencer3 | I think this is going to be one of the sleeper hits of Karmic! | 18:12 |
| rickspencer3 | pitti: I've added work items to both my blueprints | 18:13 |
| didrocks | rickspencer3: I will do everything so that it will be :) | 18:13 |
| didrocks | so you later! | 18:13 |
| rickspencer3 | bye bye | 18:13 |
| rickspencer3 | have a good weekend didrocks | 18:13 |
| pitti | bye didrocks | 18:13 |
| didrocks | thanks, you too :) | 18:13 |
| pitti | rickspencer3: \o/ | 18:15 |
| pitti | ArneGoetje just added work items as well | 18:15 |
| pitti | tomorrow's db dump should have some more data | 18:15 |
| ArneGoetje | pitti: it's okay if the work items get added over time? I mean if it turns out that there is more to be done? | 18:18 |
| pitti | ArneGoetje: yes, that works | 18:18 |
| ArneGoetje | pitti: ok | 18:18 |
| pitti | the total height of the bar will increase, but that's fine | 18:18 |
| rickspencer3 | ArneGoetje: pitti: ideally, the churn will be minimal after next week | 18:21 |
| rickspencer3 | but increased scope can be measured by increases in the height of the bar | 18:21 |
| * pitti plays the whack-a-spec game harder | 18:32 | |
| * pitti chuckles at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Specs/Karmic/SocialFromTheStart release note: "Gwiber does blabla. It is mandatory" | 18:33 | |
| pitti | kenvandine: ^ :-) | 18:33 |
| pitti | MUST ... TWITTER! | 18:33 |
| kenvandine | :) | 18:37 |
| crevette | nobody experienced black flash of the display while running karmic? I think it comes from g-p-m... | 18:53 |
| maxb | ah, yes I think I've seen that from time to time | 18:53 |
| crevette | hmmm, g-p-m applet seems also to reset the "luminosity" of the display | 18:54 |
| crevette | brightness is the right word I guess | 18:54 |
| crevette | my exprience is: being on battery, set a defined brightness to make brighter, right click on the g-p-m applet and the brightness is instantly reset | 18:55 |
| crevette | s/ight click on the g-p-m applet and/ight click on the g-p-m applet, click "preferences" and/ | 18:56 |
| pitti | seb128, asac, bryce: could you please take a look at https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-karmic-bug-workflow and check if the functinoality/approach suits you? please just comment in the whiteboard | 19:20 |
| pitti | good night everyone, and have a nice weekend! | 19:31 |
| SiDi | pitti: you too then | 19:34 |
| seb128 | re | 20:02 |
| seb128 | pitti: sorry you were saying about the spec? karmic keep crashing the box while I'm away | 20:02 |
| * seb128 notes to not upgrade to unstable so early next cycle | 20:02 | |
| SiDi | seb128: i think hes gone | 20:05 |
| seb128 | SiDi: he will be back on monday or something and read backlog | 20:05 |
| SiDi | will he actually read so far ? :/ | 20:05 |
| seb128 | "so far"? | 20:06 |
| seb128 | usually people read lines where they have been highlighted | 20:06 |
| seb128 | I don't expect he will be pinged a thousand time during the weekend | 20:06 |
| SiDi | if he lets his PC idle all weekend, that'll still be a lot of lines to check. even with Ctrl+F. I personally never check my irc logs :) | 20:06 |
| seb128 | anyway thanks but I work with pitti for years and I will manage, no need to discuss how we are working | 20:07 |
| seb128 | I will talk to him on monday that's ok | 20:07 |
| SiDi | i didnt mean to be offensive :p | 20:08 |
| seb128 | that was not offensive just not really an useful discussion | 20:12 |
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| rickspencer3-afk | SiDi | 20:16 |
| rickspencer3-afk | heh | 20:16 |
| rickspencer3-afk | oops | 20:16 |
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| === rickspencer3-afk is now known as rickspencer3 | ||
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