[00:00] <sebsebseb> elky: indeed, and I didn't want the whole gender thing, but there was a misunderstanding or something
[00:01] <elky> sebsebseb, in the future, can you please refrain from interrogating people with personal questions. there's sites like behindthename.com which can tell you the gender of a name if you're really so confused
[00:01] <Pricey> I'd be more concerned with people like deany tbh.
[00:03] <elky> well i didnt receive a complaint against deany.
[00:03] <elky> i did recieve one against sebsebseb
[00:03] <sebsebseb> elky: did she complain her self or?
[00:03] <elky> yes, she did. that's how i know she felt humiliated.
[00:03] <sebsebseb> elky: thanks for the site by the way seems interesting
[00:04] <sebsebseb> elky: ok well I hope she figured out if it was the best idea to downgrade or get more RAM
[00:05] <sebsebseb> elky: or do a bigger swap
[00:05] <sebsebseb> I was trying to say in there by the way,  that gender dosn't really matter that much anyway,  because we are all people
[00:06] <elky> sebsebseb, i believe someone else is helping her now, so leave it be. just keep this in mind next time you want to ask personal questions in #ubuntu
[00:07] <sebsebseb> I don't know I saw it say she left,  and fair enough at what you were saying
[00:11] <sebsebseb> elky: are we done?
[00:11] <elky> sebsebseb, yes
[00:11] <sebsebseb> ok bye
[00:12] <bazhang> seemed like a come on, tbh
[00:13] <elky> it did, but i think he realises that
[02:42] <TomTommy> any developers here?
[02:43] <Flannel> TomTommy: no, this is the operators channel.
[02:43] <TomTommy> How come Ubuntun Developers removed iLBC codec from Ekiga?
[02:43] <TomTommy> ok sorry wrong channel
[03:14] <Bacta> Hello I had my ban removed in #ubuntu yesterday and now it's back on again - what's up?
[03:55] <elky_work> haha, he remembered to identify today
[05:28] <shadeslayer> hi theres a typo in the topic of #kubuntu,at the end
[05:28] <shadeslayer> thanks
[06:02] <Amaranth> @btlogin
[06:03] <Amaranth> @bansearch SetiAmon
[06:03] <bazhang> @comment 14040
[06:46] <elky> ok, this is lame. my ctrl keys have died...
[06:47] <elky> still work for getting out of vmware, but gnome is ignoring them and my bluetooth mouse
[06:47]  * elky suspends the vm...
[07:03] <bazhang> wonder if crunchbang should be added to the !mintsupport and the like factoid
[07:03] <bazhang> lots of users coming in talking about a ubuntu variation, ubuntu-based and it is that one
[07:03] <Flannel> !derivatives
[07:03] <bazhang> perhaps replace ultimate as that seems to have disappeared
[07:04] <Flannel> s/mce)/mce), crunchbang (support in #crunchbang)/
[07:04] <Flannel> oops
[07:04] <Flannel> !derivatives =~ s/mce)/mce), crunchbang (support in #crunchbang)/
[07:04] <Flannel> hmm, oh, duh, escape
[07:04] <Flannel> !derivatives =~ s/mce\)/mce), crunchbang (support in #crunchbang)/
[07:04] <Flannel> !derivatives
[07:04] <bazhang> nice!
[07:05] <Flannel> maybe to shorten it, instead of "support in" "see"
[07:06] <bazhang> good point
[07:07] <bazhang> @bansearch texasjack
[07:08] <bazhang> wonder why noutf8 is logged in twice
[07:09] <Myrtti> bazhang: it isn't?
[07:09] <bazhang> Myrtti, ie texasjack
[07:10] <bazhang> @bansearch noutf8atconsole
[07:10] <bazhang> bizarre
[07:10] <Flannel> texas jack isn't in the channel anymore
[07:10] <Myrtti> bazhang: since when has having two clients in #ubuntu been forbidden anyway?
[07:11] <bazhang> Myrtti, just odd, not verboten or anything
[07:11] <Flannel> Except he's not doing it
[07:11] <Flannel> But, given the nature of his situation  (console issues), I don't think it'd be odd at all.
[07:11] <Flannel> One's for testing capabilities, the other for actual instruction.
[07:11] <bazhang> why would bt show him though, thought that was only people online
[07:12] <bazhang> err I mean bansearch
[07:12] <Flannel> Because he's not banned?
[07:12] <Myrtti> hmmmm
[07:12] <Myrtti> he's got a point
[07:12] <Flannel> Oh, It probably does a /whois
[07:12] <bazhang> my understanding of @bansearch was that only people online would showup
[07:12] <Flannel> and whois is a whowas if they leave
[07:13] <Myrtti> I can't see the kanjis in console either, but I'm not totally sure if it's intentional
[07:13] <Flannel> @bansearch texasjack
[07:13] <Flannel> obviously it's not just for people online, since texasjack isn't online anymore
[07:13] <bazhang> maybe it got an upgrade
[07:13] <Flannel> Maybe ubottu go upgrades!
[07:13] <bazhang> jinx
[07:13] <Flannel> oh, so much more my wit.
[07:13] <Flannel> er, for.
[07:14] <bazhang> haha
[07:15] <Myrtti> ideas on where to point him to?
[07:15] <bazhang> * [shuttleworth] (n=mark@201.250.172.236): ubuntu  ??
[07:15] <bazhang> -ru :)
[07:15] <Flannel> considering sabdfl is online....
[07:16] <Myrtti> oh come on, where should we tell him to take his rants?
[07:16] <Flannel> Myrtti: Who? what?
[07:17] <Myrtti> noutf
[07:17] <bazhang> concerted trolling between him and shuttleworth it seems
[07:17] <Flannel> I think he's a chat bot
[07:17] <bazhang> repeating the exact same lines about debian
[07:17] <Flannel> He replied to it.
[07:17] <bazhang> he entered after
[07:17] <Flannel> It was too quick, that and the next one, to be typed
[07:18] <Flannel> Either that, or I'm lagging
[07:18] <Flannel> no, I take that back.
[07:19] <Myrtti> /who 201.250.172.236
[07:20] <elky_work> check that it's not one i inadvertantly removed yesterday
[07:20] <Flannel> not by IP
[07:21] <bazhang> nothing in the bt
[07:21] <Flannel> Nope, nothing I can find
[07:21] <elky_work> ok. i cleaned out a few dozen non-resolving ips yesterday, is all
[07:22] <bazhang> debian-es seems to have something going on
[07:22] <bazhang> ie alicia and shuttleworth
[07:23] <Myrtti> ``y7: how can we help you?
[07:23] <shuttleworth> how about you filed a bug report yet?
[07:23] <alicia> hi
[07:23] <shuttleworth> hi
[07:23] <Flannel> What about somethign else?
[07:23] <shuttleworth> noutf8atconsole, what are you plugged in ubuntu but now, in console, no way to make simple chars work
[07:23] <``y7> Myrtti, i was just trying to figure out what this channels purpose is. am i not allowed to idle here?
[07:23] <Flannel> I see?
[07:23] <shuttleworth> richj: it is an old ipod shuffle, i get a directory
[07:23] <shuttleworth> digdeep, make a device with my wifi ubuntu i am told that the driver i had jockey error
[07:23] <alicia> my friend shuttleworth, was muted from #ubuntu
[07:23] <shuttleworth> noutf8atconsole, not bad considering it's free and your friend join #ubuntu-ops to write at console in ubuntu but i was just trying to figure out what about somethign else?
[07:23] <alicia> why?
[07:23] <Myrtti> ``y7: no
[07:23] <Myrtti> alicia: because it's a bot
[07:24] <alicia> why?
[07:24] <``y7> Myrtti: this channel is to only report ubuntu operater abuse?
[07:24] <shuttleworth> shuttleworth, do you speak english as a bug report yet?
[07:24] <Flannel> How are you shuttleworth?
[07:24] <shuttleworth> how can we help you?
[07:24] <alicia> why is he a bot?
[07:24] <Flannel> shuttleworth: Why are you a bot?
[07:24] <alicia> well
[07:24] <alicia> he is not a bot
[07:24] <shuttleworth> noutf8atconsole: have drivers for it wouldn't renew it is an old ipod shuffle, i can read in the ipod, and install another version from the repositories does not bad considering it's free and it is an old ipod
[07:24] <alicia> i cant believe it
[07:24] <bazhang> okay...
[07:25] <Myrtti> alicia: which part can't you believe? I suspect *you* are running it
[07:25] <shuttleworth> digdeep, format with which filesystem?
[07:25] <alicia> why?
[07:26] <Myrtti> alicia: because you come from the same ip
[07:26] <Myrtti> have the same channels
[07:26] <alicia> and, what about it?
[07:26] <alicia> am i a bot too?
[07:26] <alicia> are you a bot Myrtti ?
[07:26] <Myrtti> did I say you are?
[07:26] <Myrtti> no, I did not
[07:26] <alicia> i dont remember
[07:26] <Myrtti> alicia: running unsolicited bots is FORBIDDEN in #ubuntu
[07:27] <alicia> and?
[07:27] <Myrtti> and shuttleworth will remain if not banned, atleast muted.
[07:27] <Amaranth> hmm, random person talking nonsense that looks like a markov chain of #ubuntu
[07:27] <alicia> :( ok, he helped me a lot
[07:28] <Myrtti> Amaranth: who?
[07:28] <Amaranth> that's either a bot or a very very bored person
[07:28] <Myrtti> oh, yeah.
[07:28] <Flannel> Amaranth: with mad copy/paste skills!
[07:28] <elky_work> alicia, our channels have rules, and our rules must be followed if you want to continue using our channels
[07:28] <Myrtti> then there's the question about the nickname as well...
[07:28] <Amaranth> alicia: so go ask him in real life if he exists, you are at the same place
[07:29] <alicia> are you sure
[07:29] <alicia> i am alone
[07:29] <alicia> is there a bot running on my pc?¿
[07:29] <Myrtti> hmmm, to ban by ip alone...
[07:30] <Amaranth> Myrtti: sure, ban the bot's IP
[07:30] <Myrtti> alicia: stop acting stupid.
[07:30] <Amaranth> Myrtti: it's obviously being abused
[07:30] <Myrtti> yeah.
[07:30] <elky_work> Myrtti, well, yes, if she claims she has no bot on her machine, then clearly she has a compromised machine which cannot be trusted. unless she wants to be honest finally
[07:30] <alicia> well, how can i know it
[07:31] <alicia> does linux has viruses?
[07:31] <elky_work> alicia, how many people know the passwords for your machine?
[07:31] <alicia> only me
[07:31] <Amaranth> none that join the same IRC server and channels as you and generates markov chains of words it reads
[07:31] <alicia> and maybe my boyfriend
[07:31] <Flannel> Maybe?
[07:31] <Amaranth> alicia: Turn off the bot
[07:31] <alicia> what is a markov chain
[07:32] <alicia> how can i do it
[07:32] <Flannel> I don't think I want to know how a boyfriend can maybe be there.
[07:32] <elky_work> alicia, how many people have access to your network?
[07:32] <Amaranth> *sigh*
[07:32] <Myrtti> so much for that...
[07:32] <Myrtti> next
[07:33] <Amaranth> I have to admit that's the most effort I've seen someone put into a bot
[07:34] <bazhang> it answers in spanish as well
[07:34] <Myrtti> alicia21: hi. your ip is banned.
[07:34] <Amaranth> bazhang: of course, some of it's input comes from #debian-es
[07:34] <Myrtti> alicia21: will remain so until further notice
[07:35] <alicia21> well, i just want to remove my spyware bot, as you said
[07:36] <elky_work> it's not spyware. someone would have to have put it there on purpose
[07:37] <elky_work> someone on your computer, or your network, is running it on purpose.
[07:37] <alicia21> well.. i dont know, i have to sleep, thanks
[07:37] <Myrtti> alicia21: byebye
[07:37] <alicia21> cheers
[07:37] <alicia21> some ps -A ?
[07:37] <alicia21> some ps -A | grep something?
[07:38] <alicia21> ps -A | grep irc
[07:38] <alicia21> 13515 pts/17   00:00:01 seeborg-irc
[07:38] <alicia21> 18894 pts/15   00:00:00 seeborg-irc
[07:38] <alicia21> nice, i will kill it :)
[07:40] <Amaranth> Interesting that someone would configure a bot to join the same channels as you and talk about debian in its quit message
[07:41] <Myrtti> I'm surprised you knew that it was your friend, and then deny knowledge of it being a bot
[07:41] <Amaranth> If you would have just admitted you were running a bot and turned it off things would have gone better
[07:41] <Bacta> Evening
[07:41] <Myrtti> Bacta: hold on please
[07:41] <Bacta> np
[07:42] <Myrtti> alicia21: as far as I'm concerned, the ban will not go away in the next 24 hours. I'm not convinced yet you will not get the idea of running it again.
[07:43] <Myrtti> alicia21: come back later to ask for the ban to be lifted, ok?
[07:46] <Myrtti> Bacta: you were in yesterday only because you weren't cloaked due to not being identified. I kept an eye on you if you'd behave and you actually did in a way. If you can make a promise of not try to go fishing with the release name jokes in the future, I'll let you in now
[07:47] <Bacta> Thanks, it won't happen again
[07:47] <Bacta> And I wasn't identified? Weird
[07:49] <Myrtti> go ahead, try now
[07:50] <Bacta> Cheers, thanks a lot :)
[07:54] <bazhang> new bot name: MartinLima
[07:55] <Myrtti> the ip is not getting unbanned :-)
[07:55] <bazhang> hehe
[08:01] <mneptok> Prodego: how can we help you?
[08:02] <Myrtti> apparently not
[08:02] <mneptok> i hate rejection. hold me and tell me i'm special.
[08:03] <bazhang> ur speshul
[08:03]  * Amaranth hides from mneptok 
[08:03] <Myrtti> mneptok: you're speshul, you ride the speshul lil bus to prove it!
[08:04] <mneptok> i wear a hockey helmet, and i'm not on the team!
[08:04] <bazhang> hehe
[08:05] <mneptok> http://mneptok.com/kvf-headgear.png
[08:05] <Myrtti> HUAHAUHAUHAUAH
[08:13] <Flannel> Mmmm, whenever a staffer has a minute, I've got a bot cloak transfer request.
[08:13] <Flannel> Oh, that means I have to figure out how to get my bot to speak on its own.  bother.
[08:13]  * Flannel stops thinking out loud.
[09:16] <tonyyarusso> Flannel: what kind of bot is it?
[09:20] <Flannel> tonyyarusso: just a supybot.  I actually already figured it out (and got the cloak too).  For some reason I couldn't get it to work ages ago when I was setting it up the first time
[09:20] <tonyyarusso> heh, fine, I won't help you then!
[09:21] <Flannel> tonyyarusso: good, because I don't even *want* your help, sheesh!
[09:23] <Myrtti> CHILDREN will be quiet in the channel while adults are drinking coffee!
[09:23]  * Myrtti sips
[09:24] <bazhang> hehe
[09:25]  * tonyyarusso runs through the channel making airplane noises, and tugs incessantly on Myrtti's pant leg asking if we can go to the zoo today
[09:26] <Myrtti> awwww bless you
[09:26]  * Myrtti pinches tonyyarussos cheek
[09:26] <Gary> I wanna go to teh zoo too!
[10:07] <indus> hi folks
[10:07] <Flannel> Hi indus
[10:07] <Flannel> How can we help you today?
[10:08] <indus> Flannel: Myrtti:I help people based on my experience,but i dont like to say something just because someone feels its the right way or wrong way ---- iam not being rude so please dont interpret wrongly
[10:09] <Myrtti> indus: it's our job as helpers in #ubuntu to promote good practises, not only to help people with their problems
[10:09] <Flannel> indus: We're not making this stuff up for no reason.  If it's enough for you, I've helped fix at least a dozen of those situations before.
[10:09] <Flannel> I unfortunately don't have any good links documenting that stuff handy.
[10:09] <indus> Flannel: Myrtti:guys wait iam not finished :P
[10:10] <Flannel> actually,
[10:10] <Flannel> !gksu
[10:10] <Flannel> theres a link there that gets into some specifics
[10:10] <indus> Flannel: Myrtti:damn i forgot what i want to say :(
[10:11] <indus> Flannel: Myrtti:ok always psychocats oh man
[10:11] <indus> Flannel: Myrtti:i check wait
[10:12] <Flannel> indus: No, not always psychocats, the factoid just happened to have a link.
[10:14] <indus> Flannel: Myrtti:ok nvm
[10:15] <indus> Flannel: Myrtti:bye
[10:15] <Myrtti> bye
[10:19] <indus> Flannel: Myrtti:the explanation is vague and even they arent sure whats going on 
[10:20] <Flannel> indus: What?
[10:20] <Flannel> indus: It's not vague at all.  It messes up permissions in your homedir so things are owned by root instead of you.
[10:21] <indus> Flannel:ok let me do a sudo for a graphical app now on my system
[10:21] <Flannel> !worksforme
[10:21] <Myrtti> Flannel: if it works for you, it doesn't mean it's ok to suggest it to others
[10:21] <Flannel> Myrtti: awww, I know that.  shucks.
[10:22] <indus> ok nvm but i get your point
[10:24] <indus> but i hope if i casually just tell some sudo ..... etc .etc you wont kick me :P
[10:24] <indus> is it ok?
[10:25] <Myrtti> are you saying that you will try to remember not to suggest using sudo with graphical apps?
[10:25] <indus> sure
[10:25] <Flannel> er
[10:25] <Flannel> oh, missed the not.
[10:26] <indus> but no guarantees, i dont see the difference yet
[10:26] <indus> ok enough chit chat now i gtg solve a few more problems for today
[10:26] <Flannel> indus: What will it take for you to see the difference?
[10:26] <indus> Flannel: heh maybe better documentation 
[10:26] <Flannel> indus: What's still hazy?
[10:27] <Flannel> indus: What would better documentation contain that would make it more apparent?
[10:27] <indus> Flannel: a more solid example and not saying that it works fine most of the time etc
[10:27] <Flannel> indus: Most graphical programs don't have a problem with it
[10:27] <indus> aysiu mentions most of the time sudo works fine 
[10:28] <Flannel> that's just the way it works.
[10:28] <indus> well ok ok
[10:28] <Flannel> Is it not satisfactory to just believe me when I tell you?
[10:28] <topyli> indus: look. never suggest sudo to anyone. simple as that
[10:28] <indus> lol ? why should i?
[10:29] <indus> i will remember it yes
[10:29] <topyli> maybe sudo works sometimes. if it breaks things even once in a while, it should not be used ever.
[10:29] <Flannel> graphical programs
[10:29] <Flannel> not ever, obviously.
[10:29] <indus> ok i ask all of u... has it broken for any of you?
[10:29] <Myrtti> indus: yes.
[10:30] <indus> Myrtti: tell me more
[10:30] <Myrtti> couldn't login.
[10:30] <topyli> indus: it can break any application that writes a configuration file in your home dir
[10:30] <indus> well ok guys ill believe you 
[10:30] <indus> sudo uses the user's config file am i correct?
[10:31] <topyli> at least it breaks it :)
[10:31] <indus> lol
[10:31] <indus> ok 
[10:31] <indus> i really want this to break something for me so iam dead sure
[10:32] <topyli> so let's not say russian roulette is ok because 5 times out of 6 you will survive
[10:32] <indus> btw,in case i cant login, what do you suggest?
[10:32] <indus> i deleted .ice authority file once and logged in
[10:32] <Flannel> indus: You need to drop to a TTY, log in there, and then fix the permissions problem.
[10:33] <indus> happened on feisty once.... there was a bug filed about it... but you know what? Now iam thinking it might have happened due to the sudo as gui was not that good then as in jaunty etc
[10:33] <indus> i mean...
[10:34] <indus> more command line was used back in those days than we do now
[10:34] <topyli> sudo with gui apps is not good in jaunty either
[10:34] <indus> no i mean ... back then sudo was probably used a lot more times than now, so it probably messed more systems
[10:35] <indus> ok anyway thanks for your explanations
[10:35] <indus> ill remember this now on
[10:36] <indus> grrr ..... i hate sucking up to the ops :P
[10:36] <indus> bye then take care
[10:36] <Flannel> indus: This has nothing to do with operators, everything to do with the quality of support in #ubuntu.
[10:37] <Flannel> indus: As I said before, I really don't care what you use personally.  But please follow the rules in #ubuntu
[10:38] <elky> bacta's not even spoken in #u.
[10:38] <indus> yes i will do it
[10:38] <indus> Flannel: Myrtti:heh anything that helps ubuntu is good
[10:38] <indus> ok back to support channel
[10:39] <Flannel> indus: Thanks
[10:39] <Flannel> oh, darn
[10:40] <elky> well, not surprising he's not spoken, since we've forbidden him from saying basically the only thing he's said there in the past 6 months...
[12:21] <Mamarok> I just banned an IP for a nasty user in #k, when and how do I lift that ban again?
[12:23] <elky> Mamarok, /mode -b <the host mask that showed when you banned here>
[12:23] <Mamarok> any recommended time on how long I should leave that ban?
[12:23] <elky> just the ip might be enough for the hostmask bit
[12:23] <Myrtti> elky: your slip ;-)
[12:23] <Myrtti> Mamarok: 24h
[12:24] <Mamarok> ok, thx
[12:24] <Myrtti> uhoh
[12:24] <elky> Mamarok, it's up to you, but 24hrs gives them time to sulk and think about how much mummy liked that vase.
[12:24] <Myrtti> indus is on his way to trouble
[12:25] <Mamarok> I might lift it earlier, as it'as a university IP in Germany, not to block too many users
[12:25] <bazhang> indus may need a time out
[12:26] <elky> my eyes need a time out, ciao kiddies.
[12:26] <Mamarok> cu elky :)
[12:28] <bazhang> hehe bye
[12:28] <indus> hello harrasment from user ins mod 
[12:28] <indus> help please
[12:29] <Myrtti> indus: a question
[12:29] <indus> yes
 insmod: i didnt give him any advice btw so go fuck off
[12:29] <Myrtti> since he's harassing you, does it make ok for you to act like him too?
[12:29] <indus> ya i stopped but
[12:29] <indus> that f word came out sorry
[12:29] <Myrtti> indus: I don't see him continuing either...
[12:29] <indus> i ignored him later
[12:30] <indus> go check again
[12:30] <indus> cat indus | grep asshole
[12:30] <indus> indus ask indus
[12:30] <indus> did u even warn him?
[12:31] <bazhang> indus, yes
[12:31] <bazhang> and he stopped
[12:31] <indus> ok and he continued with me at least
[12:31] <bazhang> replying to your f-bomb yes
[12:31] <indus> of course you are mod so he will stop with you ,iam not so he can go on?
[12:32] <indus> its not the f word here ,its his attitude
[12:33] <indus> nvm bye
[12:35] <indus> and here is one more
so know you help him jerk off
[12:35] <Myrtti> huh?
[12:35] <indus> bazhang: and you expect me to stay calm? nice
[12:36] <Myrtti> indus: where's that?
[12:36] <indus> nothing just reporting harrasment from a member
[12:36] <indus> ask bazhang he knows better
[12:36] <indus> this irc rooms are so hostile
[12:37] <Myrtti> indus: you're bringing up old stuff now. He'll be taken care off if we catch him again
[12:42] <bazhang> ready to kick both of them
[12:43] <Mamarok> one of those days again :(
[12:43] <bazhang> yep :(
[12:55]  * Pici finishes reading backlog
[13:00] <Myrtti> backlogs are always so much fun
[13:01] <Pici> For varying definitions of fun.
[13:05] <Myrtti> masochistic kind of fun
[13:10] <Myrtti> haven't I banned eternaljoy?
[13:10] <bazhang> heh
[13:10] <Myrtti> I HAVE!
[13:11] <Myrtti> uhff
[13:11] <bazhang> ; \
[13:12] <Myrtti> I need to fix my aliases on this client :-(
[13:13] <Pici> Indeed
[13:21] <Myrtti> works
[13:35] <jpds> http://paste.ubuntu.com/194328/ - yay for redunant backups.
[13:43] <Nafallo> \o/
[13:45] <Myrtti> ok, Pasila train station, sign to start packing up my stuff
[13:45] <Myrtti> ttyl
[13:46] <bazhang> bon voyage!
[13:49] <jpds> Nafallo: Amazingly the -vn DB is bigger than the -se one.
[13:50] <Nafallo> jpds: more unicoded stuff probably? :-)
[13:50] <bazhang> oh wait that sounds like a Finnish station
[13:52] <jpds> Nafallo: By ~60K? http://paste.ubuntu.com/194339/
[13:52] <jpds> I wish logrotate did .lzma compression.
[14:40] <Pici> ikonia: ping
[15:12] <ikonia> Pici: did you want me ? (sorry not around much today)
[16:05] <Mamarok> Ursinha: thanks :)
[16:05] <Ursinha> Mamarok, np :)
[16:09] <jpds> Ursinha: \o/
[16:09] <genii> Ursinha: You speak portuguese?
[16:10] <Ursinha> jpds, \o/ :D
[16:10] <Ursinha> genii, yes, I'm brazilian
[16:10] <Ursinha> :)
[16:10] <jussi01> what did Ursinha do?
[16:10] <genii> Cool
[16:10] <genii> jussi01: Communicated with a Brazilian user in #k
[16:10] <jussi01> oh :)
[17:26] <genii> Got it already
[19:33] <ikonia> Pici: did you want me ?
[19:34] <Pici> ikonia: I forgot what I was going to ask
[19:34] <ikonia> ahh, no problem, sorry had a in/out day thought I may have missed
[19:54] <mneptok> gunh. where did the "/ns link" command go?
[20:10] <jussi01> mneptok: you mean group?
[20:10] <jussi01> :D
[20:10]  * jussi01 hugs mneptok
[20:12] <mneptok> so switch to $ALTNICK, then "/ns group $NICK $NICKPASS"
[20:13] <jussi01> no, if you are identified, just /ns group
[20:14] <jussi01> mneptok: ^^
[20:15] <mneptok> how does ns know what to group to?
[20:16] <jussi01> because you are identified...
[20:16] <mneptok> oh, i see. /ns id $NICK $NICKPASS and then group
[20:16] <mneptok> but don;t actually switch to $NICK
[20:16] <jussi01> ;)
[20:17] <mneptok> that's somewhat more cumbersome than is /ns link
[20:17]  * mneptok is an old fart
[20:21] <Pricey> Before you had to register the second account, different passwords etc.
[20:24] <jussi01> mneptok: I feel its simple, you login normally, identify. /nick $altnick /ns group
[21:35] <FujiVickery> hi
[21:36] <Seeker`> how can we help you?
[21:37] <FujiVickery> ok
[21:37] <FujiVickery> i have a problem
[21:37] <FujiVickery> i never knew there were logs kept off the ubuntu-* namespace channels
[21:38] <Seeker`> why is that a problem?
[21:38] <FujiVickery> and i have trolled a lot i know, but still i don't like the things i read the way people talked about me, and i think it violates some kind of privacy laws
[21:38] <Seeker`> what privacy laws might they be?
[21:38] <FujiVickery> i just want to start fresh but i can't as long as they keep logs with information about me
[21:39] <FujiVickery> well i am going to address this issue in a civil manner up to the highests courts
[21:40] <FujiVickery> i don't like this at all! Yes, i trolled a lot, but should this be kept in logs, i mean i don't like google having this information
[21:40] <Seeker`> I'm interested to know what laws you believe it is violating
[21:40] <FujiVickery> well i am talking on a network with pre-laws and i know several lawyers i asked them they told me
[21:40] <jussi01> FujiVickery: you are welcome to do that. 
[21:41] <FujiVickery> they told me to ask here nicely first
[21:41] <FujiVickery> which is what i am doing
[21:41] <FujiVickery> i dont want more fuzz about this
[21:41] <tsimpson> you were notified #ubuntu was logged when you joined
[21:41] <FujiVickery> just anonymize the join ips please
[21:41] <FujiVickery> i never knew anything about it
[21:41] <tsimpson> well you were notified
[21:41] <FujiVickery> it's not in my native language
[21:42] <jussi01> FujiVickery: I assume you have read freenodes t?cs also?
[21:42] <tsimpson> as per freenode policy
[21:42] <FujiVickery> why are these logs kept?
[21:42] <FujiVickery> to incriminate me someday?
[21:42] <Seeker`> FujiVickery: you don't appear to be having any issues holding a conversation in English
[21:42] <tsimpson> for reference and an informational tool
[21:43] <FujiVickery> i can understand it's not an issue for most people
[21:43] <Seeker`> the logs aren't kept for any reason specifically related to you; They would be there whether you ever joined the channels or not
[21:43] <FujiVickery> not every reads these on joins
[21:43] <FujiVickery> it scrolls away to fast anyways
[21:43] <FujiVickery> i have a history enough people know that
[21:43] <jussi01> FujiVickery: not everyone reads a Eula or T&c's for websites
[21:44] <FujiVickery> so why keep these logs around on me?
[21:44] <FujiVickery> in the wrong hands they could really do some damages a
[21:44] <Myrtti> !logs
[21:44] <tsimpson> not just you, everybody
[21:44] <FujiVickery> and now every can google them even
[21:44] <Myrtti> AFAIK, they are sanitized.
[21:44] <tsimpson> what damage?
[21:44] <FujiVickery> http://www.google.nl/search?hl=nl&client=firefox-a&rls=com.ubuntu%3Aen-US%3Aunofficial&hs=Ois&q=Fuji-san+site%3Airclogs.ubuntu.com&btnG=Zoeken&meta= <-- look how much information on just me
[21:45] <FujiVickery> and Myrtti i am not a famous troll kthnx
[21:45] <Myrtti> FujiVickery: WHUT?
[21:45] <tsimpson> just what you did in a public channel
[21:45] <FujiVickery> it's in the logs Myrtti
[21:45] <tsimpson> in front of >1000 others
[21:45] <FujiVickery> tsimpson you talked about me also
[21:45] <FujiVickery> you all talk about me
[21:45] <tsimpson> I did not deny that
[21:45] <Myrtti> FujiVickery: life is - and then you learn to live with the consequences, or find another way.
[21:46] <FujiVickery> how can i ever make peace with you guys
[21:46] <FujiVickery> can we have a good talk about it?
[21:46] <ikonia> not fujisan again
[21:46] <Myrtti> FujiVickery: threatening with law suits is *NOT* a good start
[21:46] <FujiVickery> i didnt threaten
[21:46] <Myrtti> it sounded like it
[21:46] <ikonia> FujiVickery: just leave
[21:46] <FujiVickery> i just said i talked to some lawyers and pre-law
[21:47] <ikonia> FujiVickery: stop wasting peoples time, go and get your lawers and carry on with your games else where
[21:47] <tsimpson> "[21:39:24]<FujiVickery> well i am going to address this issue in a civil manner up to the highests courts"
[21:47] <FujiVickery> ikonia, all you do is keep me a troll
[21:47] <FujiVickery> i can never better myself when people like you keep persisting thats all i ever will be
[21:47] <ikonia> FujiVickery: you are proving you are now - so move along and do something with people who want to associate with you
[21:47] <tsimpson> that is a threat of legal action
[21:47] <jussi01> FujiVickery: if this isnt a threat of lawsuit, then I dont know what is: [23:39:25] <FujiVickery> well i am going to address this issue in a civil manner up to the highests courts
[21:47] <Myrtti> that does sound awful lot like legal threats
[21:48] <ikonia> I'll host the logs - he can sue me 
[21:48] <FujiVickery> well why keep logs to incriminate users and hand the data to google
[21:48] <FujiVickery> its all in googles cache
[21:48] <tsimpson> we don't "keep logs to incriminate users"
[21:48] <FujiVickery> i never consented for the information to be on googles servers
[21:48] <FujiVickery> never ever
[21:48] <ikonia> FujiVickery: we are not google - now leave and troll elsewhere
[21:48] <ikonia> FujiVickery: get something better to do 
[21:48] <ikonia> sue google
[21:48] <FujiVickery> well the information is on googles servers now
[21:48] <ikonia> just stop wasting peoples time 
[21:49] <FujiVickery> thanks to your logkeeping behaviour
[21:49] <Myrtti> no probs!
[21:49] <FujiVickery> i am not trolling
[21:49] <ikonia> can someone just kick the time wasting exercise please
[21:49] <Myrtti> (as we personally don't keep them)
[21:49] <FujiVickery> this is a serious matter
[21:49] <ikonia> how many times must this dance be done
[21:49] <FujiVickery> very serious
[21:49] <ikonia> FujiVickery: then take it up with a lawer
[21:49] <Myrtti> FujiVickery: and you're not helping it
[21:49] <tsimpson> if you think the logs "incriminate" you, then you should not have preformed the incriminating behaviour
[21:50] <ikonia> thank you
[21:50] <ikonia> thank you 10,00000
[21:51] <tsimpson> for when you read the logs of this channel, we consider the matter closed and not for further discussion
[21:54]  * genii hugs the incriminating logs!
[21:54] <ikonia> ha ha ha
[22:02] <Pricey> We do not manage the irclogs.ubuntu.com logs.
[22:02] <Pricey> I'd suggest you send him to those that do, rather than 'denying' his request?
[22:03] <ikonia> or just ignore his time wasting antics
[22:03] <Pricey> That is another option.