[00:00] elky: indeed, and I didn't want the whole gender thing, but there was a misunderstanding or something [00:01] sebsebseb, in the future, can you please refrain from interrogating people with personal questions. there's sites like behindthename.com which can tell you the gender of a name if you're really so confused [00:01] I'd be more concerned with people like deany tbh. [00:03] well i didnt receive a complaint against deany. [00:03] i did recieve one against sebsebseb [00:03] elky: did she complain her self or? [00:03] yes, she did. that's how i know she felt humiliated. [00:03] elky: thanks for the site by the way seems interesting [00:04] elky: ok well I hope she figured out if it was the best idea to downgrade or get more RAM [00:05] elky: or do a bigger swap [00:05] I was trying to say in there by the way, that gender dosn't really matter that much anyway, because we are all people [00:06] sebsebseb, i believe someone else is helping her now, so leave it be. just keep this in mind next time you want to ask personal questions in #ubuntu [00:07] I don't know I saw it say she left, and fair enough at what you were saying [00:11] elky: are we done? [00:11] sebsebseb, yes [00:11] ok bye [00:12] seemed like a come on, tbh [00:13] it did, but i think he realises that [02:42] any developers here? [02:43] TomTommy: no, this is the operators channel. [02:43] How come Ubuntun Developers removed iLBC codec from Ekiga? [02:43] ok sorry wrong channel [03:11] In ubottu, matrixblue said: !ext4 is ext4 is a journaling file system developed as the successor to ext3. It was born as a series of backward compatible extensions to add 64-bit storage limits and other performance improvements to ext3. [03:14] Hello I had my ban removed in #ubuntu yesterday and now it's back on again - what's up? [03:34] In #ubuntu-offtopic, rww said: !forget dmsuperman-#ubuntu-offtopic [03:55] haha, he remembered to identify today [05:28] hi theres a typo in the topic of #kubuntu,at the end [05:28] thanks [06:01] In ubottu, oenone said: my printer is not found at the supported printers list imy printer is canjon pixma ip1980 i am using jaunty 64bit [06:02] @btlogin [06:03] @bansearch SetiAmon [06:03] Match: *!*@dhcp-nat.com-pair.net by Jack_Sparrow in #ubuntu on May 29 2009 13:53:59 (ID: 14040) [06:03] @comment 14040 [06:04] May 29 2009 13:53:59 Jack_Sparrow: setiamon!n=set@dhcp-nat.com-pair.net === Amaranth_ is now known as Amaranth === Amaranth_ is now known as Amaranth [06:46] shadeslayer called the ops in #ubuntu (codezilla) [06:46] ok, this is lame. my ctrl keys have died... [06:47] still work for getting out of vmware, but gnome is ignoring them and my bluetooth mouse [06:47] * elky suspends the vm... [07:03] wonder if crunchbang should be added to the !mintsupport and the like factoid [07:03] lots of users coming in talking about a ubuntu variation, ubuntu-based and it is that one [07:03] !derivatives [07:03] There are some Ubuntu derivatives that we cannot provide support for due to repository and software changes. Please consult their websites for more information. Examples: gNewSense (support in #gnewsense), Linux Mint (see !mintsupport), LinuxMCE (support in #linuxmce) [07:03] perhaps replace ultimate as that seems to have disappeared [07:04] s/mce)/mce), crunchbang (support in #crunchbang)/ [07:04] oops [07:04] !derivatives =~ s/mce)/mce), crunchbang (support in #crunchbang)/ [07:04] Malformed regex [07:04] hmm, oh, duh, escape [07:04] !derivatives =~ s/mce\)/mce), crunchbang (support in #crunchbang)/ [07:04] I'll remember that Flannel [07:04] !derivatives [07:04] There are some Ubuntu derivatives that we cannot provide support for due to repository and software changes. Please consult their websites for more information. Examples: gNewSense (support in #gnewsense), Linux Mint (see !mintsupport), LinuxMCE (support in #linuxmce), crunchbang (support in #crunchbang) [07:04] nice! [07:05] maybe to shorten it, instead of "support in" "see" [07:06] good point [07:07] @bansearch texasjack [07:07] No matches found for texasjack!n=texasjac@201.37.107.114 in any channel [07:08] wonder why noutf8 is logged in twice [07:09] bazhang: it isn't? [07:09] Myrtti, ie texasjack [07:10] @bansearch noutf8atconsole [07:10] No matches found for noutf8atconsole!n=texasjac@201.37.107.114 in any channel [07:10] bizarre [07:10] texas jack isn't in the channel anymore [07:10] bazhang: since when has having two clients in #ubuntu been forbidden anyway? [07:11] Myrtti, just odd, not verboten or anything [07:11] Except he's not doing it [07:11] But, given the nature of his situation (console issues), I don't think it'd be odd at all. [07:11] One's for testing capabilities, the other for actual instruction. [07:11] why would bt show him though, thought that was only people online [07:12] err I mean bansearch [07:12] Because he's not banned? [07:12] hmmmm [07:12] he's got a point [07:12] Oh, It probably does a /whois [07:12] my understanding of @bansearch was that only people online would showup [07:12] and whois is a whowas if they leave [07:13] I can't see the kanjis in console either, but I'm not totally sure if it's intentional [07:13] @bansearch texasjack [07:13] No matches found for texasjack!n=texasjac@201.37.107.114 in any channel [07:13] obviously it's not just for people online, since texasjack isn't online anymore [07:13] maybe it got an upgrade [07:13] Maybe ubottu go upgrades! [07:13] jinx [07:13] oh, so much more my wit. [07:13] er, for. [07:14] haha [07:15] ideas on where to point him to? [07:15] * [shuttleworth] (n=mark@201.250.172.236): ubuntu ?? [07:15] -ru :) [07:15] considering sabdfl is online.... [07:16] oh come on, where should we tell him to take his rants? [07:16] Myrtti: Who? what? [07:17] noutf [07:17] concerted trolling between him and shuttleworth it seems [07:17] I think he's a chat bot [07:17] repeating the exact same lines about debian [07:17] He replied to it. [07:17] he entered after [07:17] It was too quick, that and the next one, to be typed [07:18] Either that, or I'm lagging [07:18] no, I take that back. [07:19] /who 201.250.172.236 [07:20] check that it's not one i inadvertantly removed yesterday [07:20] not by IP [07:21] nothing in the bt [07:21] Nope, nothing I can find [07:21] ok. i cleaned out a few dozen non-resolving ips yesterday, is all [07:22] debian-es seems to have something going on [07:22] ie alicia and shuttleworth [07:23] ``y7: how can we help you? [07:23] how about you filed a bug report yet? [07:23] hi [07:23] hi [07:23] What about somethign else? [07:23] noutf8atconsole, what are you plugged in ubuntu but now, in console, no way to make simple chars work [07:23] <``y7> Myrtti, i was just trying to figure out what this channels purpose is. am i not allowed to idle here? [07:23] I see? [07:23] richj: it is an old ipod shuffle, i get a directory [07:23] digdeep, make a device with my wifi ubuntu i am told that the driver i had jockey error [07:23] my friend shuttleworth, was muted from #ubuntu [07:23] noutf8atconsole, not bad considering it's free and your friend join #ubuntu-ops to write at console in ubuntu but i was just trying to figure out what about somethign else? [07:23] why? [07:23] ``y7: no [07:23] alicia: because it's a bot [07:24] why? [07:24] <``y7> Myrtti: this channel is to only report ubuntu operater abuse? [07:24] shuttleworth, do you speak english as a bug report yet? [07:24] How are you shuttleworth? [07:24] how can we help you? [07:24] why is he a bot? [07:24] shuttleworth: Why are you a bot? [07:24] well [07:24] he is not a bot [07:24] noutf8atconsole: have drivers for it wouldn't renew it is an old ipod shuffle, i can read in the ipod, and install another version from the repositories does not bad considering it's free and it is an old ipod [07:24] i cant believe it [07:24] okay... [07:25] alicia: which part can't you believe? I suspect *you* are running it [07:25] digdeep, format with which filesystem? [07:25] why? [07:26] alicia: because you come from the same ip [07:26] have the same channels [07:26] and, what about it? [07:26] am i a bot too? [07:26] are you a bot Myrtti ? [07:26] did I say you are? [07:26] no, I did not [07:26] i dont remember [07:26] alicia: running unsolicited bots is FORBIDDEN in #ubuntu [07:27] and? [07:27] and shuttleworth will remain if not banned, atleast muted. [07:27] hmm, random person talking nonsense that looks like a markov chain of #ubuntu [07:27] :( ok, he helped me a lot [07:28] Amaranth: who? [07:28] that's either a bot or a very very bored person [07:28] oh, yeah. [07:28] Amaranth: with mad copy/paste skills! [07:28] alicia, our channels have rules, and our rules must be followed if you want to continue using our channels [07:28] then there's the question about the nickname as well... [07:28] alicia: so go ask him in real life if he exists, you are at the same place [07:29] are you sure [07:29] i am alone [07:29] is there a bot running on my pc?¿ [07:29] hmmm, to ban by ip alone... [07:30] Myrtti: sure, ban the bot's IP [07:30] alicia: stop acting stupid. [07:30] Myrtti: it's obviously being abused [07:30] yeah. [07:30] Myrtti, well, yes, if she claims she has no bot on her machine, then clearly she has a compromised machine which cannot be trusted. unless she wants to be honest finally [07:30] well, how can i know it [07:31] does linux has viruses? [07:31] alicia, how many people know the passwords for your machine? [07:31] only me [07:31] none that join the same IRC server and channels as you and generates markov chains of words it reads [07:31] and maybe my boyfriend [07:31] Maybe? [07:31] alicia: Turn off the bot [07:31] what is a markov chain [07:32] how can i do it [07:32] I don't think I want to know how a boyfriend can maybe be there. [07:32] alicia, how many people have access to your network? [07:32] *sigh* [07:32] so much for that... [07:32] next [07:33] I have to admit that's the most effort I've seen someone put into a bot [07:34] it answers in spanish as well [07:34] alicia21: hi. your ip is banned. [07:34] bazhang: of course, some of it's input comes from #debian-es [07:34] alicia21: will remain so until further notice [07:35] well, i just want to remove my spyware bot, as you said [07:36] it's not spyware. someone would have to have put it there on purpose [07:37] someone on your computer, or your network, is running it on purpose. [07:37] well.. i dont know, i have to sleep, thanks [07:37] alicia21: byebye [07:37] cheers [07:37] some ps -A ? [07:37] some ps -A | grep something? [07:38] ps -A | grep irc [07:38] 13515 pts/17 00:00:01 seeborg-irc [07:38] 18894 pts/15 00:00:00 seeborg-irc [07:38] nice, i will kill it :) [07:40] Interesting that someone would configure a bot to join the same channels as you and talk about debian in its quit message [07:41] I'm surprised you knew that it was your friend, and then deny knowledge of it being a bot [07:41] If you would have just admitted you were running a bot and turned it off things would have gone better [07:41] Evening [07:41] Bacta: hold on please [07:41] np [07:42] alicia21: as far as I'm concerned, the ban will not go away in the next 24 hours. I'm not convinced yet you will not get the idea of running it again. [07:43] alicia21: come back later to ask for the ban to be lifted, ok? [07:46] Bacta: you were in yesterday only because you weren't cloaked due to not being identified. I kept an eye on you if you'd behave and you actually did in a way. If you can make a promise of not try to go fishing with the release name jokes in the future, I'll let you in now [07:47] Thanks, it won't happen again [07:47] And I wasn't identified? Weird [07:49] go ahead, try now [07:50] Cheers, thanks a lot :) [07:54] new bot name: MartinLima [07:55] the ip is not getting unbanned :-) [07:55] hehe [08:01] Prodego: how can we help you? [08:02] apparently not [08:02] i hate rejection. hold me and tell me i'm special. [08:03] ur speshul [08:03] * Amaranth hides from mneptok [08:03] mneptok: you're speshul, you ride the speshul lil bus to prove it! [08:04] i wear a hockey helmet, and i'm not on the team! [08:04] hehe [08:05] http://mneptok.com/kvf-headgear.png [08:05] HUAHAUHAUHAUAH [08:13] Mmmm, whenever a staffer has a minute, I've got a bot cloak transfer request. [08:13] Oh, that means I have to figure out how to get my bot to speak on its own. bother. [08:13] * Flannel stops thinking out loud. [09:16] Flannel: what kind of bot is it? [09:20] tonyyarusso: just a supybot. I actually already figured it out (and got the cloak too). For some reason I couldn't get it to work ages ago when I was setting it up the first time [09:20] heh, fine, I won't help you then! [09:21] tonyyarusso: good, because I don't even *want* your help, sheesh! [09:23] CHILDREN will be quiet in the channel while adults are drinking coffee! [09:23] * Myrtti sips [09:24] hehe [09:25] * tonyyarusso runs through the channel making airplane noises, and tugs incessantly on Myrtti's pant leg asking if we can go to the zoo today [09:26] awwww bless you [09:26] * Myrtti pinches tonyyarussos cheek [09:26] I wanna go to teh zoo too! [10:07] hi folks [10:07] Hi indus [10:07] How can we help you today? [10:08] Flannel: Myrtti:I help people based on my experience,but i dont like to say something just because someone feels its the right way or wrong way ---- iam not being rude so please dont interpret wrongly [10:09] indus: it's our job as helpers in #ubuntu to promote good practises, not only to help people with their problems [10:09] indus: We're not making this stuff up for no reason. If it's enough for you, I've helped fix at least a dozen of those situations before. [10:09] I unfortunately don't have any good links documenting that stuff handy. [10:09] Flannel: Myrtti:guys wait iam not finished :P [10:10] actually, [10:10] !gksu [10:10] If you need to run graphical applications as root, use « gksudo », as it will set up the environment more appropriately. Never just use "sudo"! (See http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/graphicalsudo to know why) [10:10] theres a link there that gets into some specifics [10:10] Flannel: Myrtti:damn i forgot what i want to say :( [10:11] Flannel: Myrtti:ok always psychocats oh man [10:11] Flannel: Myrtti:i check wait [10:12] indus: No, not always psychocats, the factoid just happened to have a link. [10:14] Flannel: Myrtti:ok nvm [10:15] Flannel: Myrtti:bye [10:15] bye [10:19] Flannel: Myrtti:the explanation is vague and even they arent sure whats going on [10:20] indus: What? [10:20] indus: It's not vague at all. It messes up permissions in your homedir so things are owned by root instead of you. [10:21] Flannel:ok let me do a sudo for a graphical app now on my system [10:21] !worksforme [10:21] Flannel: if it works for you, it doesn't mean it's ok to suggest it to others [10:21] Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should (and especially recommend to others). Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability. Please see http://geekosophical.net/random/worksforme/ [10:21] Myrtti: awww, I know that. shucks. [10:22] ok nvm but i get your point [10:24] but i hope if i casually just tell some sudo ..... etc .etc you wont kick me :P [10:24] is it ok? [10:25] are you saying that you will try to remember not to suggest using sudo with graphical apps? [10:25] sure [10:25] er [10:25] oh, missed the not. [10:26] but no guarantees, i dont see the difference yet [10:26] ok enough chit chat now i gtg solve a few more problems for today [10:26] indus: What will it take for you to see the difference? [10:26] Flannel: heh maybe better documentation [10:26] indus: What's still hazy? [10:27] indus: What would better documentation contain that would make it more apparent? [10:27] Flannel: a more solid example and not saying that it works fine most of the time etc [10:27] indus: Most graphical programs don't have a problem with it [10:27] aysiu mentions most of the time sudo works fine [10:28] that's just the way it works. [10:28] well ok ok [10:28] Is it not satisfactory to just believe me when I tell you? [10:28] indus: look. never suggest sudo to anyone. simple as that [10:28] lol ? why should i? [10:29] i will remember it yes [10:29] maybe sudo works sometimes. if it breaks things even once in a while, it should not be used ever. [10:29] graphical programs [10:29] not ever, obviously. [10:29] ok i ask all of u... has it broken for any of you? [10:29] indus: yes. [10:30] Myrtti: tell me more [10:30] couldn't login. [10:30] indus: it can break any application that writes a configuration file in your home dir [10:30] well ok guys ill believe you [10:30] sudo uses the user's config file am i correct? [10:31] at least it breaks it :) [10:31] lol [10:31] ok [10:31] i really want this to break something for me so iam dead sure [10:32] so let's not say russian roulette is ok because 5 times out of 6 you will survive [10:32] btw,in case i cant login, what do you suggest? [10:32] i deleted .ice authority file once and logged in [10:32] indus: You need to drop to a TTY, log in there, and then fix the permissions problem. [10:33] happened on feisty once.... there was a bug filed about it... but you know what? Now iam thinking it might have happened due to the sudo as gui was not that good then as in jaunty etc [10:33] i mean... [10:34] more command line was used back in those days than we do now [10:34] sudo with gui apps is not good in jaunty either [10:34] no i mean ... back then sudo was probably used a lot more times than now, so it probably messed more systems [10:35] ok anyway thanks for your explanations [10:35] ill remember this now on [10:36] grrr ..... i hate sucking up to the ops :P [10:36] bye then take care [10:36] indus: This has nothing to do with operators, everything to do with the quality of support in #ubuntu. [10:37] indus: As I said before, I really don't care what you use personally. But please follow the rules in #ubuntu [10:38] bacta's not even spoken in #u. [10:38] yes i will do it [10:38] Flannel: Myrtti:heh anything that helps ubuntu is good [10:38] ok back to support channel [10:39] indus: Thanks [10:39] oh, darn [10:40] well, not surprising he's not spoken, since we've forbidden him from saying basically the only thing he's said there in the past 6 months... [12:21] I just banned an IP for a nasty user in #k, when and how do I lift that ban again? [12:23] Mamarok, /mode -b [12:23] any recommended time on how long I should leave that ban? [12:23] just the ip might be enough for the hostmask bit [12:23] elky: your slip ;-) [12:23] Mamarok: 24h [12:24] ok, thx [12:24] uhoh [12:24] Mamarok, it's up to you, but 24hrs gives them time to sulk and think about how much mummy liked that vase. [12:24] indus is on his way to trouble [12:25] I might lift it earlier, as it'as a university IP in Germany, not to block too many users [12:25] indus may need a time out [12:26] my eyes need a time out, ciao kiddies. [12:26] cu elky :) [12:28] hehe bye [12:28] hello harrasment from user ins mod [12:28] help please [12:29] indus: a question [12:29] yes [12:29] insmod: i didnt give him any advice btw so go fuck off [12:29] since he's harassing you, does it make ok for you to act like him too? [12:29] ya i stopped but [12:29] that f word came out sorry [12:29] indus: I don't see him continuing either... [12:29] i ignored him later [12:30] go check again [12:30] cat indus | grep asshole [12:30] indus ask indus [12:30] did u even warn him? [12:31] indus, yes [12:31] and he stopped [12:31] ok and he continued with me at least [12:31] replying to your f-bomb yes [12:31] of course you are mod so he will stop with you ,iam not so he can go on? [12:32] its not the f word here ,its his attitude [12:33] nvm bye [12:35] and here is one more [12:35] so know you help him jerk off [12:35] huh? [12:35] bazhang: and you expect me to stay calm? nice [12:36] indus: where's that? [12:36] nothing just reporting harrasment from a member [12:36] ask bazhang he knows better [12:36] this irc rooms are so hostile [12:37] indus: you're bringing up old stuff now. He'll be taken care off if we catch him again [12:42] ready to kick both of them [12:43] one of those days again :( [12:43] yep :( [12:55] * Pici finishes reading backlog [13:00] backlogs are always so much fun [13:01] For varying definitions of fun. [13:05] masochistic kind of fun [13:10] haven't I banned eternaljoy? [13:10] heh [13:10] I HAVE! [13:11] uhff [13:11] ; \ [13:12] I need to fix my aliases on this client :-( [13:13] Indeed [13:21] works [13:35] http://paste.ubuntu.com/194328/ - yay for redunant backups. [13:43] \o/ [13:45] ok, Pasila train station, sign to start packing up my stuff [13:45] ttyl [13:46] bon voyage! [13:49] Nafallo: Amazingly the -vn DB is bigger than the -se one. [13:50] jpds: more unicoded stuff probably? :-) [13:50] oh wait that sounds like a Finnish station [13:52] Nafallo: By ~60K? http://paste.ubuntu.com/194339/ [13:52] I wish logrotate did .lzma compression. [14:40] ikonia: ping === ursula__ is now known as Ursinha [15:12] Pici: did you want me ? (sorry not around much today) [16:05] Ursinha: thanks :) [16:05] Mamarok, np :) [16:09] Ursinha: \o/ [16:09] Ursinha: You speak portuguese? [16:10] jpds, \o/ :D [16:10] genii, yes, I'm brazilian [16:10] :) [16:10] what did Ursinha do? [16:10]