[21:06] <nubae> hey folks...
[21:10] <bencrisford> hey
[21:13] <nubae> not much action to be seen... how are things going... can u give me maybe a rundown of what's been done over the last week, 2 weeks?
[21:14] <nubae> bencrisford: I've been working on a Moodle instance that can be used and demoed by various comunities. Right now its being built with openSUSE in mind, but I'd like it to be as agnostic to the distro as possible... Take a look and tell me what u think, what direction u think it should take... nubae.selfip.com/moodle
[21:15] <nubae> right now its running on a server in my local network
[21:15] <nubae> makes development a bit faster
[21:15] <nubae> but may seem slow to u in terms of refreshing
[21:15] <bencrisford> moodle is course management software right
[21:15] <nubae> yep, though its quite a powerful overal CMS
[21:16] <nubae> so I've added more than just courses to it
[21:16] <bencrisford> nice
[21:16] <nubae> ideally I'd like it to be a full fledged education portal
[21:16] <bencrisford> im working on eskole, which is similar
[21:16] <nubae> I'm collecting as much of the data from other places as possible
[21:17] <nubae> and if it doesnt exist, just creating it. But the idea here is to reuse, so all courses will have an easy 'download this course' button with which teachers, developers, etc can make the content available on their networks
[21:17] <nubae> Too much data is protected on the net... and it makes it very difficult to set up anything that people can freely use.
[21:18] <nubae> But... the free stuff is out there, just not well organised, hidden, and generally unfinished
[21:18] <nubae> I calculate it takes a good 2 or 3 weeks and you can have a really nice content rich education portal
[21:18] <bencrisford> cool :D
[21:18] <nubae> for example, take a look at resources by application
[21:19] <nubae> Its a very simple idea... split apps into sub sections (I chose, tutorials, video/audio cases, and offical books/articles)
[21:19] <bencrisford> yeah, its a neat idea :)
[21:20] <nubae> and its surprising how much content u can then find on that... I was pleasantly surprised that even for scribus there is a ton of info
[21:20] <nubae> its just all hidden away. It is also a simple step to move from what I've got there now, to making it into a course
[21:20] <nubae> so the foundation can definitely be modified to be more 'course-like'
[21:21] <nubae> I need lots of help on this, so if you do have time and wanna volunteer, I can tell you how you can help me
[21:21] <nubae> ;-) hint hint
[21:22] <bencrisford> nubae: Sure, id love to get familiar with course management systems before the heavy lifting on eskole gets underway
[21:25] <nubae> allright, so u wanna try making a course? or would you rather organise some howtos in the moodle wiki?
[21:26] <nubae> I made 2 howtos already, one for installing LAMP, the other Moodle.. but they should be templates for other howtos... they can definetly be improved, if u wanna take a look
[21:26] <nubae> I want to make sure that we just put in the essential howtos... and that they are simple and work
[21:26] <nubae> they can later then be turned into courses without too much work
[21:26] <nubae> but I think gathering all the content takes presedence
[21:27] <bencrisford> im not sure yet, i have to go now
[21:28] <bencrisford> but we can talk later ?
[21:29] <nubae> yes, I'm around and really appreciate any help I get to it
[21:31] <bencrisford> :)
[22:47] <kwah> hi all
[22:48] <kwah> is there a documentation somewhere how on may produce an add-on CD like Edubuntu does?
[23:19] <bencrisford> nubae: fancy taking part in a little project ive got planned>
[23:19] <bencrisford> ?*
[23:19] <bencrisford> i just sorted the pier website, so its pretty much ready to go :)
[23:19] <bencrisford> i just need members now
[23:20] <bencrisford> there's a place on it for anyone here who wants a hand in it in fact
[23:20] <bencrisford> on the core team that is
[23:22] <bencrisford> it is education-related in a way
[23:22] <bencrisford> im hoping to get experienced and non-experienced devs and then do some mentoring whilst creating some software and stuff :)
[23:31] <nubae> what's the link?
[23:32] <bencrisford> http://www.pegusus.tk nubae
[23:33] <bencrisford> its a bit random...  but im trying to get it organised and to work
[23:34] <nubae> not very obvious what this is for/about
[23:34] <bencrisford> i know
[23:34] <bencrisford> there will be a proper homepage eventually
[23:34] <nubae> getting people to sign up, let alone help on a project would require that you open up the environment as much as possible
[23:35] <bencrisford> i dont aim to attract people globally at the moment
[23:35] <nubae> shuld really be your priority if u wish to attract anyone at all... I wouldnt just sign up for something unless I knew what it was for
[23:36] <bencrisford> i just want a few people at the moment, its not clear *how* to sign up, eventually it will have a seperate website and pier pages
[23:36] <bencrisford> i dont want it to be a huge team of people, thats hard to organise
[23:36] <bencrisford> there can be *tons* of contributors, but the actual team is gonna be kept small
[23:36] <bencrisford> i think it will work better
[23:37] <nubae> also... make sure you are not reinventing the wheel, though I dont know what this is about, you have to be clear how this is something unique, new, and essential
[23:37] <nubae> so pitch me...
[23:37] <bencrisford> well, my mate wants to learn programming and scripting, i think learning by doing works best
[23:37] <nubae> I'm probably a good average dev... involved in lots of projects, very busy already with my own stuff...
[23:38] <bencrisford> yeah, well this can take up little or lots of your time, its up to you :)
[23:38] <bencrisford> but the project isnt just about mentoring
[23:38] <bencrisford> its about writing great scripts and softwares
[23:38] <nubae> I still have no idea what the project is
[23:38] <bencrisford> its a group of projects
[23:38] <bencrisford> the project *is* the team
[23:38] <bencrisford> thats the idea
[23:39] <bencrisford> although eventually there will be one project bringing all the subs together
[23:39] <bencrisford> subs = sub projects
[23:39] <nubae> sorry.. I'm still unsure as to what the aim is, what the project is supposed to be, and why I'd be interested in it
[23:39] <bencrisford> originally it was about me writing some software with a couple of mates, but im trying to expand it
[23:40] <bencrisford> i just want to get new people involved with development
[23:40] <nubae> sorry if that sounds critical, I'm trying to be helpful in a way :-)
[23:40] <bencrisford> its ok
[23:40] <nubae> development of what?
[23:40] <bencrisford> a few things :P, thats what is confusing, there is no *one* project at the moment
[23:40] <bencrisford> its just a development team, for devs of *all* ability :)
[23:41] <bencrisford> so we can teach, learn and develop.  its really wishy-washy, i dont expect anyone to understand but me and my mate
[23:41] <nubae> ok, well think u need to get that cleared up... u need to make it very clear what you want already burdened devs to get involved with, wishy-washy won't cut it
[23:42] <nubae> u see how difficult it is to get edubuntu help, and that is a project with a relatively clear goal (still far too unclear, but improving)
[23:43] <bencrisford> the aim of pegusus is to create pegusus.  but the team is the base of the project if you see what i mean
[23:43] <bencrisford> the dev team is what the projects about
[23:43] <bencrisford> the actual software is a side thing
[23:43] <nubae> so u are talking about creating a community
[23:44] <nubae> a community that centers around what? education? security? gaming?
[23:45] <bencrisford> yes!  a community!  thats the word i wanted
[23:45] <bencrisford> a community of developers
[23:45] <nubae> thats still too general... sounds like reinventing the wheel... we already have launchpad and hundreds of rivals
[23:45] <bencrisford> to work on anything a member throws at the rest of the team i guess, although there are some projects forming a backbone
[23:45] <bencrisford> its not about rivals
[23:46] <bencrisford> its about having some fun, and creating some awesome software :)
[23:46] <bencrisford> and the mentoring is a huge part of it
[23:46] <bencrisford> Will, my mate has never written a single program
[23:46] <bencrisford> im mentoring him
[23:46] <bencrisford> using the project
[23:46] <nubae> launchpad is a community that handles a decentralised distributed development platform, via bazaar
[23:47] <bencrisford> but its too big and crowded, my one is cosy
[23:47] <nubae> ok, my question then is, why not use launchpad?
[23:47] <bencrisford> i dont want it to be full of people
[23:47] <bencrisford> i want my own work
[23:47] <bencrisford> on my own web server
[23:47] <bencrisford> doing stuff i like
[23:47] <nubae> well, u can take the launchpad code and install it locally
[23:47] <bencrisford> i like pier
[23:48] <nubae> seems like a waste to reinvent the wheel, a waste of your resources which might be better used at doing what you want the community you envisage to do
[23:48] <bencrisford> but you don't have to like my project i guess :), but i was just wondering whether you wanted to take part
[23:48] <nubae> well I still dont know what the project is/does
[23:49] <nubae> thats why I'm trying to get u to sell it to me :-) I'm playing devil's advocate a bit here....
[23:50] <nubae> my intention is not to discourage you, but to think about how others will react to you wanting them to hand over their (precious) time
[23:50] <bencrisford> its not meant to impress others, thats the point
[23:50] <bencrisford> i just want a nice platform, and backbone for me and some people i know to develop some stuff and mentor some new developers
[23:51] <bencrisford> pegusus isnt one thing
[23:51] <bencrisford> its alot of things
[23:51] <bencrisford> its a group of softwares, a community of developers, a learning platform for new devs
[23:51] <bencrisford> and more
[23:51] <bencrisford> nubae: Is that so bad =(
[23:54] <nubae> well here's my honest to god opinion (and I apologize in advance if it offends you, that is not my intention), unless u can sell it, you're not gonna get too many people involved :-( for example... I already use quite a lot of software for my development work, and I wouldn't unless there was a really good reason, start learning to use something new, especially something that had no clear future and no past
[23:54] <bencrisford> i dont want to get people involved
[23:54] <bencrisford> not many people anyway
[23:55] <nubae> well, even the few u want involved... u need to give them a good reason
[23:55] <bencrisford> if anyone enquires about how, then ill be honoured and surprised
[23:55] <bencrisford> but im more interested in asking people
[23:55] <bencrisford> its that sort of group
[23:55] <bencrisford> the reason is to have fun
[23:55] <bencrisford> to make some software
[23:55] <bencrisford> make a community
[23:55] <bencrisford> learn some stuff
[23:56] <nubae> ok, then go for it
[23:56] <bencrisford> teach some stuff
[23:56] <bencrisford> :)
[23:56] <bencrisford> arrgghh!  its my birthday in 4 minutes
[23:56] <nubae> I'm just saying... if it was me, I'd try and make it unique
[23:56] <bencrisford> i better get some sleep
[23:56] <bencrisford> nubae: it is
[23:56] <nubae> well, happy Birthday bencrisford
[23:56] <bencrisford> name something else like it?
[23:56] <nubae> I still have no idea what it is :-)
[23:57] <nubae> a community of developers is far to abstract for me... I can name hundreds of those
[23:57] <bencrisford> well, its *my* community :P
[23:57] <nubae> how old are u gonna be?
[23:57] <bencrisford> heh, 1 year older than last year =(
[23:58] <nubae> so are u a developer in your day time job?
[23:58] <bencrisford> fraid not
[23:58] <bencrisford> anyway, night
[23:58] <nubae> good night and happy birthday again
[23:58] <bencrisford> ty =D