| bdrung_ | does someone have time to sponsor the merge request in bug #383307? audacious was sponsored, but without the audacious-plugins it is useless. | 00:33 |
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| ubottu | Launchpad bug 383307 in audacious-plugins "Please merge audacious-plugins 2.0.1-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/383307 | 00:33 |
| binarymutant | still no revu ;( | 00:56 |
| directhex | popey, been having fun on certain IRC channels i see | 01:02 |
| * directhex wonders if he's going to be moaned about on the podcast again | 01:03 | |
| binarymutant | does anyone know if the hashlib module for python errors silently or if it will print any problems? | 01:03 |
| directhex | Ng, has your "curiosity" about certain IRC channels been fulfilled? | 01:08 |
| james_w | nellery: congratulations | 01:10 |
| nellery | james_w: thank you :) | 01:10 |
| james_w | sorry I didn't leave a comment on your application, I wasn't expecting the meeting to be so soon | 01:11 |
| nellery | james_w: no problem at all | 01:12 |
| directhex | congratulations? nellery is the new BDFL? | 01:16 |
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| nellery | could a u-u-s admin add me to the team? | 01:33 |
| ajmitch | nellery: I guess I can remove my copy of things I was looking at sponsoring for you :) | 01:55 |
| ajmitch | & welcome to the MOTU team | 01:56 |
| nellery | ajmitch: thanks :) | 01:56 |
| directhex | i for one welcome our new nellery overlords | 01:57 |
| nellery | hehe thanks directhex | 01:58 |
| ajmitch | directhex: get him hooked on mono drugs! | 01:58 |
| vorian | any java experts awake? | 03:50 |
| nellery | directhex: did you see linuxhaters reply to your mono post? | 04:01 |
| jmarsden | I have a package bibletime 2.0-1 that was synced from Debian into Karmic, rmadison shows it is there... but I just downloaded the Karmic Alpha2 CD and using Add/Remove programs it finds only a much older 1.6.5 package... is this expected behaviour? sudo apt-get -s install bibletime finds bibletime 2.0-1 -- why are the two install tools inconsistent, and does this indicate anything I should change in my package so th | 05:12 |
| jmarsden | at it will show up in Add/Remove Programs? | 05:12 |
| j-dizzle | d'oh. stupid dput.cf | 05:16 |
| StevenK | jmarsden: Did you update in Add/Remove Programs? If so, perhaps the mirror your using is out of date. | 05:32 |
| jmarsden | I did, and I'm using whatever the default mirror is... I was deliberately emulating a user who doesn't know how to edit /etc/apt/sources.list :) | 05:33 |
| jmarsden | Also, does Add/Remove programs use a different pacakge database than apt-get ?? | 05:33 |
| jmarsden | Same issue with xiphos, another package recently synced into Karmic... it is visible to apt-get but not to Add/Remove Programs. | 05:36 |
| StevenK | jmarsden: That's odd. | 05:40 |
| StevenK | jmarsden: I'm not sure if it uses a different database to apt | 05:41 |
| jmarsden | OK, thanks. I usually just use apt-get from the shell; I'll look at what Add/Remove Programs really does :) | 05:42 |
| Hew | Hi MOTUs. I'm having a look at merging revelation, and I'm trying to work out if I can drop dependencies on python-gnome2-extras and python-gnome2-desktop as they are not in the latest Debian version. I've had a look at the Debian and Ubuntu changelogs, but still can't work out what's going on. | 06:04 |
| Hew | -extras should have been dropped in the version Ubuntu has now, according to the Debian changelog and debian bug 485298 | 06:05 |
| ubottu | Debian bug 485298 in revelation "Useless dependency on python-gnome2-extras" [Unknown,Closed] http://bugs.debian.org/485298 | 06:05 |
| Hew | and -desktop seems to be an Ubuntu change that has been around for years, but I'm not sure why | 06:06 |
| fabrice_sp | Hew, in the changelog: depend on python-gnome2-desktop (>= 2.15.0) to be able to import | 06:08 |
| fabrice_sp | gnomeapplet.Applet | 06:08 |
| fabrice_sp | in version 0.4.7-4ubuntu1 | 06:09 |
| fabrice_sp | when looking for why a change has been done, the changelog is your friend :-) | 06:09 |
| Hew | fabrice_sp: Yes I saw that, it's quite old and I'm not sure what that means. gnomeapplet.Applet is no longer mentioned in the recent changelogs, so I'm wondering if the Ubuntu-specific change is still required? | 06:10 |
| Hew | perhaps the gnomeapplet.Applet change no longer applies, and the dependency is just leftover? | 06:11 |
| lifeless | Hew: just test it - remove python-gnome2-desktop and check it still works | 06:11 |
| lifeless | Hew: what makes you think gnomeapplet.Applet is a change? | 06:11 |
| fabrice_sp | Debian bug #377362 is mentioned. Did you had a look? (just ot see what's failing) | 06:11 |
| ubottu | Debian bug 377362 in revelation "revelation: FTBFS: IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/usr/share/pygtk/2.0/defs/applet.defs'" [Serious,Closed] http://bugs.debian.org/377362 | 06:11 |
| fabrice_sp | a FTBFS, so lifeless is right: drop the dependecy, and build it | 06:11 |
| fabrice_sp | s/dependecy/dependency/ | 06:12 |
| lifeless | [and run it after building, to be sure] | 06:12 |
| fabrice_sp | right :-D | 06:12 |
| Hew | thanks fabrice_sp, lifeless, will do :-) | 06:12 |
| fabrice_sp | ;-) | 06:13 |
| Hew | any ideas about python-gnome2-extras? I'm not sure why it's in revelation 0.4.11-3.1 as debian bug 485298 seems to say it isn't | 06:15 |
| ubottu | Debian bug 485298 in revelation "Useless dependency on python-gnome2-extras" [Unknown,Closed] http://bugs.debian.org/485298 | 06:15 |
| fabrice_sp | Hew, it's a build dependency? | 06:16 |
| fabrice_sp | if so, the same as before | 06:16 |
| fabrice_sp | yeah: the bug you mention speak about a FTBFS, so the same as before | 06:16 |
| Hew | fabrice_sp: it's a normal Depends, but I'm not sure why it's there in the current Ubuntu version | 06:17 |
| Hew | the -4 changelog says it was removed in -3.1, which Ubuntu already has | 06:18 |
| fabrice_sp | wrong merge, perhaps? | 06:18 |
| Hew | yea I dunno, I'll just drop it and see what happens :-) | 06:18 |
| fabrice_sp | I found a bug report in Jaunty that is worth a SRU (a Fail To Install), but is not yet fixed in Karmic. I have a debdif fixing this bug for Karmic and closing this bug report. is it ok? Or should I already create the SRU data? | 06:28 |
| lifeless | Once you have it fixed in karmic, nominate for jaunty and do the sru process | 06:31 |
| lifeless | I wouldn't close the bug report without starting the SRU process otherwise it could get lost | 06:32 |
| fabrice_sp | ok. I'll nominate it for Jaunty, then, before attaching my debdiff | 06:33 |
| fabrice_sp | wouah: in Karmic, we still have 57 packages that rdepends on python2.5 | 07:06 |
| fabrice_sp | (just found 2 looking at ttp://qa.ubuntuwire.com/ftbfs/ ) | 07:07 |
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| wlx | Is there any problem with revu.ubuntuwire.org? I can not visit the site. | 08:31 |
| popey | directhex: fun?! :) | 08:50 |
| popey | directhex: I stayed out of that on the podcast because I am not anti-mono and didnt want to get into a lengthy heated debate about it | 08:51 |
| AnAnt | is that about uupc ? | 08:51 |
| AnAnt | oh, you're Alan | 08:52 |
| AnAnt | Hello, I'm maintaining fsplib | 09:30 |
| AnAnt | and upstream used to support two build systems: autoconf & scons | 09:30 |
| AnAnt | now he released a version that removes autoconf support | 09:30 |
| AnAnt | so, should I re-add the autoconf support in debian packaging, or should I use scons ? | 09:31 |
| AnAnt | the problem with scons so far is that I cannot build shared libs with it | 09:31 |
| AnAnt | only static lib | 09:31 |
| AnAnt | seems that upstream didn't add necessary config options in the scons config files for shared libs | 09:31 |
| jmarsden | AnAnt: Probably better to patch the scons config stuff and feed that patch back upstream | 09:33 |
| AnAnt | ok, I hope I know how to do that | 09:33 |
| jmarsden | If not, you can enjoy learning more about it :) :) | 09:34 |
| jmarsden | http://www.scons.org/doc/HTML/scons-user/c593.html#AEN641 may help with the basics? (I'm not an scons user, that's from Googling) | 09:36 |
| AnAnt | ok, I was able to add shared library support easily | 09:44 |
| AnAnt | the problem is that it build libfsp.so instead of building libfsp.so.0.0.0 then symlinking libfsp.so to it | 09:45 |
| loic-m | I need to check if some libraries are GPL2 or GPL2+ - is there any way to do it from command line short of apt-get the source? apt-cache show doesn't give me any license information. | 09:59 |
| azeem | loic-m: packages.ubuntu.com has copyright files extracted | 10:00 |
| loic-m | azeem: yeah, it just happen my internet is slow at the moment | 10:01 |
| loic-m | and my computer slows to a crawl too, so the web browser is more than slugish | 10:02 |
| azeem | I don't think there is another way | 10:02 |
| azeem | maybe some have package tags with the license, not sure | 10:03 |
| AnAnt | does a shared library have to be in this form: lib<name>.so.<number> ? | 10:03 |
| AnAnt | with a lib<name>.so symlink'ed to it ? | 10:03 |
| Madkiss | good morning folks | 10:04 |
| Laney | loic-m: look in /usr/share/doc/package | 10:04 |
| azeem | AnAnt: basically | 10:06 |
| azeem | note that the lib<name>.so goes into the -dev package | 10:07 |
| AnAnt | ok | 10:09 |
| loic-m | azeem, Laney, thanks | 10:13 |
| AnAnt | thanks, fixed it | 10:30 |
| AnAnt | *.la are static libs right ? | 10:49 |
| Madkiss | yes | 10:51 |
| Madkiss | ("file" on the file will tell you :)) | 10:52 |
| lifeless | actually | 10:52 |
| lifeless | .la are libtool medatafiles | 10:52 |
| lifeless | *metadata* | 10:52 |
| lifeless | they can reference static or dynamic libraries, or even both | 10:53 |
| Madkiss | oops. | 10:53 |
| AnAnt | are they necessary in a library package file ? | 10:53 |
| Madkiss | they go to the -dev-package | 10:54 |
| lifeless | I think the overall consensus is to not package them | 10:54 |
| AnAnt | ok | 10:54 |
| lifeless | because often on linux they are more a problem than anything else | 10:54 |
| lifeless | if there is no package-config file though, a .la can be essential. | 10:54 |
| AnAnt | oh | 10:54 |
| AnAnt | how can I create that .la file? | 10:54 |
| Madkiss | lifeless: So this is one of the major differences betweendebian and ubuntu? | 10:54 |
| lifeless | if one isn't being made, the library doesn't use libtool and you definitely don't want a .la file | 10:55 |
| lifeless | Madkiss: no, no difference here. | 10:55 |
| lifeless | Madkiss: its not locked in stone in Ubuntu or Debian, and opinions still vary. There are upstream[libtool] bugs about this. | 10:55 |
| AnAnt | lifeless: the problem is that upstream switched from autoconf to scons | 10:56 |
| AnAnt | lifeless: previously .la was built, but with scons, I dunno how to build that | 10:56 |
| Madkiss | lifeless: I could have sworn the policy manual says something about it | 10:56 |
| Madkiss | lifeless: but obviously you are right. nevermind, then :) | 10:57 |
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| directhex | popey, well, "fun". it's nice to feel vindicated! | 11:45 |
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| AnAnt | Hello | 18:40 |
| nellery | any u-u-s admins around? | 19:05 |
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| AnAnt | Hello, is there a DD here ?' | 20:31 |
| jpds | AnAnt: Some, but you're better off just asking your question and people will help if they can. | 20:34 |
| AnAnt | jpds: looking for someone to sponsor an updated package I've done for Debian | 20:34 |
| jpds | AnAnt: So, try asking #debian-mentors on OFTC. | 20:35 |
| AnAnt | ok | 20:36 |
| binarymutant | anyone know when revu will be back online? | 20:47 |
| geser | binarymutant: probably not before Monday when siretart gets time to look at it | 21:31 |
| binarymutant | thanks for filling me in geser :) | 21:32 |
| ebroder | Any motu-sru types around? I'm looking for advice on bug #371581 | 22:00 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 371581 in erlang "erlang-base conflicts with old erlang-doc-html" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/371581 | 22:00 |
| xnox | Any motu wants to sponsor a small fix in karmic? bug #386138 | 22:03 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 386138 in gmsh "FTBFS: Gcc4.4 missing includes classic fail" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/386138 | 22:03 |
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| xnox | ls | 23:36 |
| directhex | Desktop Documents PDF Photos Pictures Podcasts Projects Public Templates Videos | 23:39 |
| * ebroder wonders how well that scales... | 23:40 | |
| ebroder | sudo cat /etc/shadow :-P | 23:40 |
| azeem | directhex: I bet you realized after "Podcasts" in which channel you are and that the CoC applies | 23:40 |
| directhex | azeem, "Photos", duh! | 23:42 |
| azeem | Photos is before Podcasts | 23:44 |
| azeem | anyway, let's move on | 23:44 |
| directhex | so, how about that weather, huh? | 23:44 |
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