[00:00] why is there no asoundconf in the alsa-utils package? [00:02] "Asoundconf has been removed in karmic, in anticipation of the new GNOME volume control + pulse configuration. " [01:12] !locate updatedb [01:12] Sorry, I don't know anything about locate updatedb [01:13] !find updatedb [01:13] Found: nss-updatedb [01:33] ugh, damned notify-osd has been notifying me of track changes for the past 5 minutes or so. [01:33] Doesn't that thing have an expiration date on notifications? [01:34] Try playing a large album in quodlibet, with PA set to not autorespawn... and then kill the pulseaudio server. [01:34] Now the notify-osd gets severely backlogged. [01:35] It's that hardcoded 500ms minimum time. [01:35] OOo3.0 It's not OOo3.1 - but thank you guys for finally removing its obsession w/ gnome-settings-manager [01:37] DanaG: there really should be some customization options to it... [01:37] Yeah. [01:37] none there by defualt - just through dpkg-reconfigure [01:37] It's like they're trying their damnedest to be Apple. [01:38] ... but only getting the bad parts. [01:38] :P [01:38] * DanaG turns into a dock icon and sits there bouncing, for-frickin-ever. bounce. bounce. bounce. bounce. bounce. bounce. bounce. bounce. bounce. bounce. bounce. bounce. bounce. bounce. bounce. bounce. bounce. [01:38] I really like the sexxy - and for my environment it works perfect [01:38] Try using the media player app quodlibet with it -- notify-osd makes track-change-notifications UNUSABLE. [01:38] I just see where others would prefer something slightly different [01:39] I'm not a multimedia kind of person [01:39] Skip back 5 tracks at once... and boom, you still are on the first notification, and haven't a damn clue what track you're actually on. [01:40] I do like many of the changes I'm seeing in 9.10 [01:40] long as nothing breaks [01:40] :P [01:40] They should make it so that if you have, say, 8 notifications in 1 second, they start pushing the earlier ones out... earlier. [01:40] ya [01:44] Oh, and try this, for a torture-test: add service-discovery-applet to your panel, and then enable notifications, and enable discovery of ALL services. [01:44] On the old system, it spammed all notifications all at once... and then they all disappeared all at once. [01:44] On the new one......... let's just say that, on a busy network, they'll be going for hours. [01:57] hi everyone [01:57] is there any kind of integration with akonadi and gmail? [01:57] DanaG: seems I lost screen brightness control in 9.10 [01:58] I'm starting to think that because this is a production system I should go back to 9.04 :P === defcon is now known as Guest50339 [03:17] openal seems totally broken now [03:17] at least, it seems to be now that I am using oss4... something is very fishy [03:26] yep, there's been a regression it seems... Jaunty's OpenAL/ALUT libraries work perfectly fine [03:44] is anyone at all running Karmic? [03:44] yes [03:45] * jmarsden runs Karmic (in a VirtualBox VM) [03:51] hey i got banned out of the blue from #ubuntu, how do i get unbanned? [03:52] jmarsden: yeah, but then you don't get to see the horrible bugs that only happen when you use real hardware [03:53] * jmarsden is willing to allow others that priviledge, at least until Karmic is in beta :) [03:53] I have a feeling it will take a long time to convince a dev that this OSS support mysteriously vanishing is a bug [03:59] khazil: If you can reliably replicate that behaviour, especially if you can do it on two different machines, then you can document exactly how to reproduce the issue in your bug report... well written bug reports including "steps to reproduce" are likely help convince developers the bug is real, because they will be able to reproduce it themselves. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Improving [04:06] jmarsden: well, not sure if Ubuntu even supports OSS anymore [04:07] Where did you get the OSS packages you installed from? If they are in Ubuntu main they are supported, if in universe the MOTUs may want to know about the bug, at least. [04:07] If you don't write the bug report you will never find out :) [04:15] jmarsden: they are from 4front [04:15] jmarsden: what sort of bug report do you write for "missing libs"? [04:16] which were in jaunty before, that is [04:16] Ah. Then get support from 4front, don't expect it from Ubuntu devs :) [04:16] On missing libs: find out the package name and determine why that packge was dropped? [04:17] If it just needs a maintainer, maintain it :) [04:17] jmarsden: the thing is, the package wasn't dropped [04:19] a library from one of gstreamer's plugin packages was dropped (libgstoss4audio.so) [06:39] Hello everyone [09:35] hi [09:36] I know this is not a karmic ques but a jaunty ques [09:36] #ubuntu [09:36] today I upgraded to jaunty final from jaunty alpha 5 [09:37] and now in pidgin whenever someone comes online the messaging indicator shows a green dot [09:37] and this is annoying should it not highlight itself whenever someone sends a msg [09:37] right? [09:37] nperry: I tried there but there is a lot of noise [09:38] there so I thought maybe someone here could help me [09:44] ?? is this a bug or this is the intended behaiviour === rts is now known as rts-eemal === rts-eemal is now known as rts [10:47] i need help getting my hard drive to stop being constantly accessed. am i in the right place? [10:50] daud, are you using karmic alpha2? [10:53] is there a place for discussing ubuntu+1 at ubuntuforums.org? [10:53] daud: you can check what's accessing it with iotop [10:54] how run a ircd server i cant connect [10:55] yofel, thats good to know. i just installed and tested iotop out myself [10:56] DsBoy, you might want to try in #ubuntu instead [11:00] nevermind, i found the karmic koala testing forum. it was really buried in Ubuntu Forums > The Ubuntu Forum Community > Other Community Discussions > Development & Programming [11:39] I am running UNR (Ubuntu Netbook Remix) 9.04 on MSI WIND U100X. I am having a lot of trouble with the sentelic touchpad. It is totally unusable for me. The tracking is pathetic and it registers clicks whenever it wants. The only solution I have found is compiling the sentelic drivers (OS) available here (http://sourceforge.net/projects/fsp-lnxdrv/) but I have absolutely no experience with this stuff. Would someone please suggest me a way that doesn't involve [11:40] hubu: known bug [11:40] I am submitting this year because the kernel patch has been submitted upstream and is waiting to be included. [11:40] see alpha2 release notes [11:40] *here [11:42] BUGabundo: Can't find them. Do you have some idea to help me solve this? [11:43] humm wait... one year? [11:43] * BUGabundo re-reads.... blames sleep [11:43] ahhh 9.04.... wrong # old chap [11:44] this is for Karmic 9.10... that's why I mentioned that bug and release notes eheh [11:44] hubu: please file a bug if you still haven't, and try to get that driver into ubuntu kernel, or even better, upstream [11:45] also try the mainline kernel to see if it actually contains or not good support for your device === ScriptRipper_ is now known as ScriptRipper [13:00] no sound on flash! bummer [14:06] anyone have issues with last nights update ? I noticed that network icon was missing. [14:59] sound seems to be half broken :p [14:59] some programs have sound [14:59] some not :x [15:01] Hi folks [15:02] haaaay ! ;) [16:00] boa tardes [16:00] hola [16:02] yoasif: why the 3rd degree questionaire yesterday? [16:02] it would have saved you time, by looking at my wiki, its all there [16:02] BUGabundo: eh just bored [16:02] ah [16:04] just looked at it [16:05] * BUGabundo tries to find yoasif wiki too [16:05] not much ther [16:05] "there's a dot com there as well. " [16:05] duh [16:17] a bit OT but if anyone needs it: http://ppa-search.appspot.com/ [16:32] BUGabundo: awesome [16:33] CarlFK: also https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas [16:36] one is very useful, the other is barely interesting :) [16:37] and there's Firefox search engine from ubufox too [16:37] although I still search on google [16:46] google-linux has gone downhill ..it's search sucks lately [16:47] I wonder why /sarcasm [17:11] I need a default kernel config for the latest karmic kernel [17:12] maybe I just just download the iso and get it from a VM? [17:13] darthanubis: that could work [17:13] but why not tell us more about that? [17:14] does it need to be karmic kernel? or just -30? [17:14] I'm trying to get this bug resolved [17:14] just -30 [17:14] then get mainline kernels [17:15] I compiled the -30 kernel against my 9.04 config and the same "bug" appears [17:15] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/GitKernelBuild [17:15] I followed that page [17:16] Linux core2duo 2.6.30-custom #1 SMP Sun Jun 14 04:31:34 EDT 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux [17:16] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/virtualbox-ose/+bug/347487 [17:16] Launchpad bug 347487 in virtualbox-ose "starting virtual machine in virtualbox-ose freezes system" [Medium,Confirmed] [17:17] That is the bug I'm looking to squash [17:19] ok [17:19] I guess you did all you could! [17:19] maybe upstream it to sun too? [17:19] or is a local bug? [17:21] I think local? [17:22] noone is addressing the bug [17:22] No one seems to run a 64bit OS and enables VT in Vbox? [17:24] I assume it has something to do with the kernel Ubuntu uses [17:24] the 9.04 kernel [17:25] because the last working kernel was when I had 8.10 installed [17:25] so [17:25] apw: ping. can you point darthanubis on the right direction ? [17:25] I need an 8.10 kernel config, or a 9.10 kernel config me thinks [17:25] darthanubis: you over my board! you need kernel experts! eheh [17:26] have you tired asking on #ubuntu-kernel ? [17:26] ask, and waittttttttt for a long time [17:26] I'll have to fix this myself as usual [17:27] I don't need help with the easy stuff, and I never get a response for the hard stuff [17:27] ehe [17:27] maybe you are not making the right question [17:27] ehehe [17:27] do you have a 8.10 system or are you running karmic? [17:28] karmic [17:28] cwillu: ping [17:28] can you pass me your .config? [17:28] can you help ? [17:28] mine? it's the default one [17:28] that is what I want [17:29] let me know who to get it for you [17:29] ?? who, you mean how? [17:30] eheh [17:30] s/who/how/ [17:30] email it to me [17:30] 1st I need for you to telm me how to obtain it [17:31] ohhh [17:31] ehhe [17:31] I told I'm no kernel expert [17:31] cp /boot/config-`uname -r` .config [17:31] so you'd open a terminal [17:32] cd /home/yourusername/Desktop [17:32] cp /boot/config-`uname -r` .config [17:32] cp /boot/config-`uname -r` config [17:32] eheh [17:32] not that verbose [17:32] LOLOL [17:32] no period before config [17:32] not a bare new user LOL [17:32] that why it won't be a hidden file on your desktop [17:33] then email me the file config [17:33] BUGabundo, poke [17:33] $ pastebinit .config [17:33] http://paste.ubuntu.com/195787 [17:33] or that way [17:33] poki poke cwillu. my friend what are you doing inside on such a lovely day? eheh [17:33] was 27 yesterday, I'm still recovering :p [17:33] cwillu: can you help darthanubis ? [17:34] happybday [17:34] BUGabundo, if you really want to help, see if VBOX hard locks your system with VT enabled? [17:34] BUGabundo, what kind of cpu you running, and are you running 64bit? [17:35] darthanubis, why are you compiling? you can install the 2.6.30 kernel debs from karmic directly, or use the mainline kernel ppa [17:35] ohh Happy b'day cwillu! [17:35] * cwillu puzzles [17:35] I guess I'll have to mark that on my calendar [17:35] october :p [17:35] c2d [17:35] ok, I think I need the mainline PPA, I'm mot using Karmic, I'm still 9.04 [17:35] BUGabundo, 27 degrees :p [17:35] doh [17:35] oops [17:36] ahh I knew you had to be Libra like me [17:36] got thrown away by darthanubis reply [17:36] ehehe [17:36] 27ºC? is that cold for you? [17:36] darthanubis, that's what I said though, you can still just install karmic's kernel debs, just don't add the karmic repos [17:36] darthanubis: I can put -30 on jaunty [17:36] even on ibex [17:37] https://launchpad.net/~kernel-ppa/+archive/ppa [17:37] is that it? [17:37] darthanubis: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelMainlineBuilds [17:37] yea [17:37] cwillu: PVT [17:38] http://www00.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=saskatoon+weather+2008-2009 [17:39] pvt? [17:39] oh :p [17:40] http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v2.6.30/ [17:40] Thats what I needed! [17:40] Now lets see if I can reporduce this bug [17:41] cwillu: doh! [17:41] * BUGabundo hands ice buckets to cwillu and a fan [17:41] darthanubis: but I told you that from the start !!! === yofel_ is now known as yofel [17:58] darn [17:59] one min to late... was going to ask darth if it was fixed [17:59] BUGabundo: hi [17:59] hey thiebaude long time no see [18:00] yea, really,lol [18:00] im back at testing 9.10 [18:00] YAY [18:00] \o/ [18:00] i couln't leave you guys for long:) [18:01] hehe [18:01] A2 is still a good point [18:01] but until now, this # as been wayyyy too calm [18:01] i do have one bug [18:01] only a few major changes to KK to make users came and complain [18:01] like the grub2 and tap click [18:01] oh and audio flat [18:02] BUGabundo: what's audio flat? [18:02] hey yofel [18:03] something danag was bableing about yesterday [18:03] where PA _tries_ to be nice to all apps when they are at diff point [18:03] too complex for my taste [18:03] o.O [18:03] and it seems to buggy too [18:04] anyone having a problem opening nautilus? [18:04] define prob [18:05] Could not display "computer:///". [18:05] ME ME ME [18:05] oh wait [18:05] that was NETWORL:/// [18:05] let me try that [18:05] works fine here [18:06] works for mw [18:06] its minor because i can use thunar [18:10] opening computer:// takes me to computer:/// [18:10] works ok for me [18:19] an annoying bug i get in nautilus is bug 380929 [18:19] Launchpad bug 380929 in nautilus "[karmic] nautilus crashed with SIGSEGV in _gtk_marshal_BOOLEAN__BOXED()" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/380929 [18:19] can anyone reproduce that? === nielsslot_ is now known as nielsslot [18:24] http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline [18:24] can I put that line in my repos? [18:24] no [18:24] did not think so [18:24] it's deliberately set up for that to not work [18:24] thx [18:24] I can dig it [18:24] s/.../it's deliberately set up to make that not work/ [18:25] gotcha [18:25] trying to get this kernel installed [18:25] said there was a dependency issue [18:25] you need the image, headers- and headers-all [18:25] yeah [18:26] I did not get the -all [18:26] strictly speaking, you may not need the headers at all, but ya [18:27] yofel [18:27] don't I need those for nvidia module to be built? [18:27] yes [18:27] double clicking the scrollbar in nautilus doesn't crash it for me, it just takes window focus away [18:27] but strictly speaking, you don't need the nvidia module :p [18:28] ;) [18:28] yofel::: upon closer inspection, yes it does crash :P [18:31] at least I'm not the only one then... not sure if I should be happy or sad about that ^^ === BUGabundo1 is now known as BUGabundo [18:37] * BUGabundo is back [18:37] uau! backlog on this # [18:37] there's something I've been missing! [18:37] * BUGabundo waves to everyone [18:37] lol [18:37] * cwillu starts retyping is pm'd rant :p [18:37] s/is/his/ [18:39] * BUGabundo slaps cwillu with a hand like stick [18:40] BUGabundo: a good start would be to reproduce bug 380929 :P [18:40] Launchpad bug 380929 in nautilus "[karmic] nautilus crashed with SIGSEGV in _gtk_marshal_BOOLEAN__BOXED()" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/380929 [18:48] I was asked to pop in here and tell you the problems I've been having. with karmic. it seems they are mostly related to two things [18:48] 1) Adobe AIR (specificall twhirl) 2) sound (last.fm and browsers fighting) [18:48] douglasawh1: pulse audio? [18:49] hey daw [18:49] I'm guessing, I just booting back into Jaunty....let me see if I can get some log files from that partition [18:49] douglasawh1: ip from MSDN ?? lol [18:49] yofel::: how do i give a trace of my crashing nautilus? [18:50] yofel::: cause aport isn't launching when nautlius crashes... [18:50] billybigrigger: here apport launches every time - are you sure it's enabled? [18:50] no, MDSN [18:51] MaDiSoN [18:51] doh [18:51] our airport code is MSN, which is interesting [18:51] eheheh [18:51] KMSN internationally, of course [18:51] * BUGabundo bets MSFT was involved [18:52] Last.fm in Jaunty anyway defaults to ALSA...actually, that appears to be the only option [18:53] yofel::: ill check, but i don't ever remember "disabling" it [18:53] I can't say I'm that informed about the pulse vs. ALSA stuff...I know there is some layering going on [18:53] i thought aport ran all the time [18:53] billybigrigger: no. its disabled [18:53] and an user can blacklist some apps [18:53] its checked in my services [18:53] automated crash reports support (aport) is checked [18:55] I just fire it manually [18:55] i just did [18:55] still not work [18:55] s/work/working [18:56] billybigrigger: $ apport-cli -fp PACKAGE ? [18:59] BUGabundo::: ok, its collecting information [18:59] ehe [18:59] hmm [18:59] what all does it collect? [19:00] no [19:00] hmm, looking at it doesnt look so helpful [19:00] should offer to send [19:00] just lists arch and dependancies [19:00] ya it offered [19:01] i saved it and copied the txt my my ~/ for viewing [19:01] this thread seems to suggest it should work with pulse. I've got 1.5 on Jaunty and I'm using the repo, so it wouldn't be older in karmic http://www.last.fm/forum/34905/_/369491 [19:01] not being limited to 140 char is so nice [19:01] ahahhahahahhahahahah [19:03] BUGabundo::: whats so funny? are you laughin at me? [19:03] billybigrigger: I think he is laughing at my comment [19:03] billybigrigger: at douglasawh1. [19:03] well, the "bug" remains [19:03] or better at douglasawh1 comment [19:03] looks like I will need 8.10's kernel .config after all? [19:04] darthanubis: no idea [19:04] going to go watch some baseball...be back later [19:04] billybigrigger: that's all apport does! collects stuff to file or add to a bug [19:04] douglasawh1: feel at home! [19:04] home you join us on +1 soon again [19:04] I need a 64bit .config from ubuntu 8.10 stock [19:05] darthanubis: boot a 8.10 on qemu ? [19:06] BUGabundo::: yeah i know [19:07] BUGabundo::: but the information its collecting for my crashing nautilus is nothing interesting [19:07] BUGabundo::: just lists the kernel version, arch, and dependancies [19:07] that's what most devs want [19:07] BUGabundo, looks liek that is the plan [19:07] like [19:07] * BUGabundo dislikes all the :::::::::::::::: billybigrigger is throwing [19:08] ok well take a look at it [19:08] it doesn't seem that helpful [19:09] now where in the report does it give any useful crash information [19:09] in fact no where in the txt it spit out does it even say nautilus crashed! [19:09] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/380929 [19:09] Launchpad bug 380929 in nautilus "[karmic] nautilus crashed with SIGSEGV in _gtk_marshal_BOOLEAN__BOXED()" [Medium,New] [19:09] my .txt is at the bottom [19:11] so don't throw me your attitude, im just trying to help the greater cause [19:11] can i buy you a beer or something ffs? [19:12] k im waiting for a smart ass response....so where is it? are you swallowing your tounge now? [19:17] !info nautilus [19:17] nautilus (source: nautilus): file manager and graphical shell for GNOME. In component main, is optional. Version 1:2.27.1-0ubuntu1 (karmic), package size 1230 kB, installed size 3292 kB [19:21] billybigrigger, are there any files in /var/crash right now? [19:22] back [19:23] 0 [19:24] /etc/apport/blacklist.d/? [19:25] billybigrigger@cabo:/etc/apport/blacklist.d$ ls [19:25] apport README.blacklist [19:25] pastebin apport [19:25] /usr/bin/wine-preloader [19:25] thats it [19:25] what about ~/.apport-ignore.xml? [19:26] ooo, and /etc/default/apport [19:26] nothing in ~/ [19:27] ahhh [19:27] bingo [19:27] /etc/default/apport [19:27] enabled=0 [19:27] :P [19:27] (noting that the .apport-ignore.xml won't show up by default unless you do ls -a) [19:27] i did ls -la [19:27] nothing [19:27] trust me [19:27] first principle of bug tracing: don't trust anything :p [19:28] hehe ok fair enough [19:28] i actually had nautilus crash X 3 times today on my amd64 laptop after not using it for a month or two, will have to dig into it next time it happens. was testing nouveau KMS/gallium out and crashing left and right anyway so I didnt give it a second thought :D [19:28] but ya, that default file should have a command line to launch it a single time [19:28] ya sudo force-start=1 /etc/init.d/apport start [19:28] s/force-start/force_start [19:29] that /etc/default folder is confusing [19:29] * BUGabundo1 has an alias for ls [19:29] it's read by the init files for most services and so forth [19:29] cwillu: that's the 2nd princ [19:29] well grub menu entries are now in there too [19:30] the 1st is "they all lie" [19:30] err G2 menu entries are all done in there now too [19:30] "and so forth" :p === BUGabundo1 is now known as BUGabundo [19:31] hmmm [19:32] what the heck is wrong with your finger today?!?! [19:32] * cwillu blinks [19:33] k, now apport is working...is it normal to have to install a bunch of packages before it will report correctly? [19:33] -dev packages, yes [19:33] i had to apt-get install libgcc1 gcc-4.4-base libtext-wrapi18n-perl cpp-4.4 libcups2 tzdata libstdc++6 before it would collect/report anything [19:34] otherwise you don't have the ability to put the symbols back in the stack trace [19:34] hmm...seems there's already a fix released for my yofel's nautlius problem [19:41] !eol [19:41] End-Of-Life is the time when security updates for an Ubuntu release stop. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases [19:44] got it to crash over remote x too [19:45] nautilus? [19:45] yeah [20:22] Whap happend with sound in flash etc? :p [20:23]