[09:39] <thorwil> morning!
[09:40] <thorwil> kwwii, looks like we really have to split the Backgrounds page now. damn "wiki surge protection". it's rather a protection against just bloody working
[09:59]  * thorwil sends mail about that
[12:48] <macvr> _MMA_: why have you removed the icons? is it because they have been accepted/rejected ?
[12:49] <macvr> from wiki
[12:56] <_MMA_> macvr: Some, because they have sat too long. Some because I am uploading. Mostly because people are adding things unnecessarily and its triggering the surge protection *WAY* too much.
[12:58] <macvr> :) yeah i had that prob a couple of times !... btw do u have the "new" .svg  sebastien had done?
[12:58] <_MMA_> The ones using his glyph?
[12:59] <macvr> yes
[12:59] <_MMA_> And though I removed them from the wiki, the attachments are still there: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/BreatheIconSet/Submissions?action=AttachFile
[13:04] <_MMA_> kwwii: When you make a go at getting Breathe into Universe?
[13:04] <kwwii> ouch, someone remind me how I got home last night and why I feel like such shit
[13:05] <_MMA_> hahaha
[13:05] <kwwii> _MMA_: we could do that tomorrow
[13:05] <kwwii> no thinking for today
[13:05] <_MMA_> kwwii: Ok. Ill be working tomorrow though.
[13:05] <_MMA_> Im sure you can handle it.
[13:06] <macvr> i wanted to use the green color gradient he had done, for the defaults emblem, i dont like my color !... the svg aint there , i'v checked, was hoping you had it so i could finish it today. ... he seems to be away :(
[13:07] <_MMA_> macvr: If you can get the page up, the SVGs are there.
[13:07] <_MMA_> Or, at least the pngs.
[13:07] <macvr> he just uploaded the png
[13:07] <_MMA_> Then email him directly.
[13:07] <_MMA_> Ill just tell him to get online. :P
[13:07] <macvr> he seems to be away...
[13:08] <_MMA_> (I hope he didnt have anything to do today)
[13:08] <macvr> _MMA_: done uploading your icons?
[13:08] <_MMA_> macvr: He's *rarely* on IRC/Gmail/Jabber.
[13:09] <_MMA_> I've made my uploads yes. I have to hunt down some issues with a symlink though.
[13:09] <_MMA_> But that's the packaging branch.
[13:10] <macvr> oh!
[13:13] <_MMA_> The places menu is showing a Human icon for a flash drive where Nautilus displays a Breathe one. Very odd.
[13:13] <_MMA_> As this just happened. (maybe I just saw it)
[15:04] <macvr> anyone feedback on this> http://files.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/emblem-readonly1.png
[15:04] <macvr> _MMA_: ^ ?
[15:05] <_MMA_> Too flat. Unrealistic.
[15:07] <_MMA_> macvr: I think the "new" glyph you want is here: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Ebreathe-dev/breathe-icon-set/trunk/download/head:/mailmessagenew.svg-20090507000204-eqi1ooffc4prnbkc-4/mail-message-new.svg
[15:09] <macvr> thats not the one... sebastien had done with a different green, that was nice and bright
[15:09] <_MMA_> Ok.
[15:10] <macvr> _MMA_: any ideas on how to make the lock better?
[15:10] <_MMA_> macvr: Make it photo-realistic.
[15:10] <macvr> its the emblem
[15:11] <_MMA_> Ahh... You must mention that. ;)
[15:11] <macvr> i thought u might have read the label
[15:11] <macvr> you^
[15:11] <_MMA_> macvr: I see. Let me wrap up this email to the list and I'll think.
[15:11] <macvr> its the emblem-readonly icon...
[15:11] <macvr> ok
[15:40] <macvr> thorwil: hi... :) if you are not busy....feedback on this for emblem-readonly icon> http://files.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/emblem-readonly1.png ?
[15:41] <thorwil> macvr, it's either too flat or not flat enough
[15:41] <thorwil> macvr, make it more realistic or more symbolic
[15:42] <macvr> for emblem making it more flat would be better right?
[15:42] <knome> the smallest size looks way the best
[15:43] <macvr> i was actually aiming at getting that right first
[15:43] <macvr> knome: arent the 16px more used for emblems?
[15:44] <knome> i suppose so, but all the sizess have to look good
[15:45] <macvr> actually i went overboard with the gradients with the bigger sizes... i'm make them like the 16px
[15:45] <macvr> :)
[15:47] <thorwil> macvr, flat or realistic emblems is a stylistic decision that should be made once ...
[15:48] <_MMA_> I address this in my coming email. (any min now)
[15:48] <_MMA_> "Cruft, stuff and other junk..." coming down now.
[15:48] <macvr> how is this > http://files.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/emblem-readonly2.png
[15:49] <_MMA_> macvr: No. I think we should go photo-realistic on this.
[15:49] <macvr> _MMA_: ok.
[15:50] <_MMA_> If anyone here is interested in/working on Breathe, check your email.
[15:55] <_MMA_> I'm going to the grocery store. I'll be back soon. (give you guys time to reply)
[15:56] <spg76> Hi
[15:57]  * _MMA_ waves and heads out.
[15:58] <macvr> spg76: hi... could you upload the new .svg... i wan to  use the gradients for the emblem default?
[15:58] <macvr> the green you had used was bright and warm
[16:00] <spg76> macvr: Oh, ok. I thought  you want to use the symbol and it's not the final icon until we decide it
[16:01] <spg76> I'll send you a "new " file right away.
[16:01] <macvr> no... i liked the color, i have the emblem ready but the colors i choose just aernt that good :(
[16:01] <macvr> :)
[16:04] <spg76> macvr: sent
[16:06] <macvr> spg76: got it :) thanx
[16:07] <macvr> spg76: regarding the calender... the problem why the numbers/lines are blurry is because they cut the pixels a lot...
[16:08] <spg76> macvr: that's why I remove the numbers as Andrew suggested
[16:10] <macvr> but then it looks hollow... i thought maybe if you got them aligned it might look better.
[16:11] <macvr> only the 128px could have the numbers
[16:11] <macvr> the 48px could have the dots... but the 128 looks very empty
[16:16] <spg76> macvr: I thought about that and maybe I'll add the numbers to the 128px on a future revision but I don't know about the dots in the 48px
[16:16] <spg76> I use them in the 32px and I don't like how it looks.
[16:27] <_MMA_> spg76: Just a note, I upped the one w/numbers. Can always be changed later.
[16:33]  * _MMA_ also has to see what the trash icon used on some dialogs is called.
[16:33] <macvr> _MMA_: the smileys> i didnt pay much attention to the 128px , for the smaller sizes adding more shine more detail didnt make much difference in the png output. so i removed whatever extra stuff i did for them and maintained the same for the 128px... but as you say its not fully there, i'll add details to the 128px
[16:34] <macvr> _MMA_: emblems> u want the symbolic-link one in white/grey?
[16:35] <_MMA_> macvr: Please reply in email.
[16:35] <macvr> AW!
[16:37] <_MMA_> macvr: You'll learn. ;) IRC is fine for quick chat. But for things that require, lengthy text replies, the list is best. Especially when replying to a email like the one I sent.
[16:38] <spg76> _MMA_: I think the icon it's in actions
[16:38] <spg76> editdelete
[16:38] <spg76> edit-delete
[16:38] <spg76> gtk-delete
[16:38] <spg76> stock_delete
[16:38] <spg76> _MMA_: the trash icon :)
[16:39] <_MMA_> spg76: That's what I was thinking. I think Daniel is working on that so I'll leave it be for now.
[16:40] <spg76> I gotta run
[16:40] <spg76> I'll try to get here later
[16:41] <spg76> See you later.
[17:23] <macvr> _MMA_: sent mail...
[17:23] <macvr> ^I'v
[17:30] <macvr> if u have replied, ping me, my mail client checks only once an hour
[17:31] <_MMA_> I'm replying now.
[17:34] <_MMA_> macvr: Sent. It's there.
[17:37] <macvr> _MMA_: i mant ETA for when you want the emotes/emblems! when do you plan next release?
[17:37] <macvr> ^meant
[17:38] <_MMA_> I have no plan really.
[17:39] <_MMA_> Well, once some things are fixed and more icons round out the set, I'll do another release.
[17:39] <_MMA_> Just depends on the quality and amount of the submissions.
[17:39] <macvr> _MMA_: hei...! then why are you pushing me around :P
[17:40] <_MMA_> macvr: Because you're my slave.
[17:40] <macvr> _MMA_: i'm not sure i can do the emotes-glasses... i'll try but i almost sure i wont do a good job
[17:40]  * macvr whipped!
[17:41] <_MMA_> macvr: Do what you can. If it comes down to it, someone else can refine. But don't take that as license to give up.
[17:42] <macvr> _MMA_: OK... just as a rough timeline... give me 2 weeks for the rest of the emotes
[17:42] <_MMA_> k
[17:43]  * macvr whipped back to emblems :P
[17:49] <macvr> _MMA_: before you go... i'm working on this... its not complete, the colors/shades are still not done, but does this work for emblems-default?  http://files.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/emblem-default6.png
[17:51] <_MMA_> Hmm... I'm unsure.
[17:52] <_MMA_> Doesn't grab me. The check mark feels odd.
[17:53] <macvr> the default emblem was the check mark so i did this... well i'll upload it when its done and then u can decide... i didnt want to do straight lines
[17:54] <thorwil> macvr: you should work on the bend a bit
[17:54] <macvr> as in? make it curve more?
[17:54] <thorwil> macvr: make it look good ;)
[17:55] <macvr> :P
[17:55] <macvr> that i'm never gonna !
[17:56] <macvr> thorwil: i always just stcuk trying not to make it too different between the sizes... maybe i should be more free at the larger sizes?
[17:56] <macvr> ^stcuk
[17:56] <macvr> ^stuck!
[17:57] <_MMA_> macvr: Try to do this style: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Ebreathe-dev/breathe-icon-set/trunk/download/head:/dialogerror.png-20090610220345-fdt85tf0id2yj8zx-8/dialog-error.png
[17:58] <macvr> _MMA_: for default?
[17:58] <_MMA_> Look here: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~breathe-dev/breathe-icon-set/trunk/files/head%3A/source_svg/rendered and look at the dialog-* images.
[17:59] <_MMA_> For style.
[18:00] <_MMA_> Actually, why aren't you just doing a check mark? That would be more fitting with your current work right?
[18:00] <macvr> aw... i didnt think of that! but i wanted to use the hexagon!
[18:01] <_MMA_> macvr: Consistency must always be kept in mind.
[18:02] <macvr> :P ... i'll see with just the check mark
[18:03] <macvr> but i felt that the hexagon kinda fit for default.
[18:17] <macvr> _MMA_: that whole dialogue icons were not in the last release! i'll try to make them look similar. but does the emblem have to be similar to dialogue icons?
[18:17] <_MMA_> macvr: Then subscribe to the changes to the BZR branches. ;)
[18:19] <_MMA_> There are things that would help to make the look consistent throughout the set. This, might be one of them.
[18:20] <_MMA_> And ultimately, I have to think about that vs. simply accepting an submission because someone did the work.
[18:20] <_MMA_> We are starting to have style issues here and there.
[18:20] <macvr> how do i subscribe to bazaar changes?
[18:21] <macvr> do i have to setup an account?
[18:21] <_MMA_> Are you on Launchpad?
[18:21] <macvr> s
[18:21] <_MMA_> Have an account?
[18:21] <macvr> yes
[18:22] <macvr> https://launchpad.net/~drkvi-a
[18:22] <_MMA_> Look on far right: https://code.launchpad.net/~breathe-dev/breathe-icon-set/trunk
[18:23] <macvr> oh... its in the code section... i usually stay clear of that... ok... thanks
[18:23] <_MMA_> np
[18:26] <_MMA_> macvr: Also note that subscribing to the wiki changes (which I know you do) will help. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/BreatheIconSet/Icons
[18:26] <_MMA_> I usually add the icons to the wiki at the same time I add to BZR.
[18:27] <macvr> :)
[18:27] <macvr> cheeky little notifier on top!
[18:27] <macvr> no privacy :P
[23:14] <macvr> _MMA_: did u check the submissions?
[23:14] <_MMA_> Not yet.
[23:14] <macvr> how is the default emblem now? better?
[23:16] <_MMA_> I don't know. Just not grabbing me atm. As it's Sunday night and I'm winding down I really can't make a solid opinion.
[23:18] <macvr> ok then... take your time... i'll catch you later... :)
[23:18] <_MMA_> Actually, I'd rather others chime in. It's alot of weight managing all this and sometimes I want to see what others say before I jump in. Helps me a bit.
[23:18] <_MMA_> ok.
[23:18] <_MMA_> I should log off actually. Later