| tjaalton | Sarvatt: let's just default to nouveau and stop worrying about nv :) | 08:22 |
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| Sarvatt | nv seems so nice and easy to use though, who really uses nouveau or nv outside of the initial install or on a livecd? :D only thing -nv is missing is 8xxx and newer IGP support right now. nouveau is kind of a pain in the butt to get going right, have to disable aiglx and make sure nvidiafb isnt loaded | 09:05 |
| Sarvatt | maybe i'm just blind but i'm looking at the nouveau code and it looks like it supports even less than -nv does on the mobile side, maybe thats why fedora has the 7xxx IGP patch for -nv :D | 09:06 |
| tjaalton | the snapshot in karmic is two months old | 09:10 |
| tjaalton | i don't think fedora uses nv at all | 09:11 |
| tjaalton | since theis server defaults to nouveau | 09:11 |
| tjaalton | their, even | 09:11 |
| Sarvatt | http://patches.ubuntu.com/x/xserver-xorg-video-nv/extracted/104_geforce_6600gt_9100mg.patch -- the 9100M G part of that *has* to be bogus, theres more places than just the pci id table you need to edit to add new IGPs | 10:08 |
| hyperair | how very strange. i went to bathe and when i came out, my notebook screen blanked out completely | 11:11 |
| Duke` | how do I enable KMS for intel? I have kernel 2.6.30-9. Is it still i915.modeset=1 in grub's kernel command line? | 12:16 |
| Sarvatt | add options i915 modeset=1 to /etc/modprobe.d/i915.conf | 12:23 |
| Duke` | ok, I tried i915.modeset=1 but Xorg failed to start and then screen all garbled | 12:25 |
| Duke` | ah I see, it tried to load i810 driver... :x | 12:27 |
| Sarvatt | wow, 731MB of updates since i've turned this machine on last when 2.6.30-5.6 came out :D going to give nouveau KMS a shot now | 12:30 |
| Duke` | ok, I still had to create an xorg.conf file and specify "intel" for the driver, because it still wanted to load i810 >_< | 12:38 |
| Sarvatt | yuck, lost all my brightness hotkeys on this lappy too and its nvidia so not KMS's fault :D i need to build gnome-power-manager on a PPA with hal enabled again, dont get battery readings on the netbook when its disabled and dont get brightness keys on the other | 12:51 |
| Sarvatt | http://pastebin.com/m20b737fc -- is that how Xorg.0.log is supposed to look with a deleted xorg.conf? | 12:59 |
| Duke` | I don't think so, because it fails :D | 13:00 |
| Sarvatt | I mean the whole (==) Using default built-in configuration (39 lines) | 13:00 |
| Sarvatt | going to delete mine and reboot :) | 13:01 |
| Duke` | I think the generated conf is quite correct, it works without KMS | 13:02 |
| Duke` | but I wonder why it still tries i810, hasn't this driver been removed? | 13:02 |
| Sarvatt | hmm looks like i forgot to make a nouveau-kernel-source package for edgers, trying to build the old nouveau modules for a kernel with it built in :D i should drop the dep on nouveau-kernel-source from it | 13:05 |
| Sarvatt | maybe the dkms install will fail because its already built into the kernel | 13:07 |
| Sarvatt | so far so good, got a KMS nouveaufb at least. dkms is trying to build the modules though | 13:11 |
| Sarvatt | have to manually define nouveau in xorg.conf because it defaults to nv and vesa, ahh | 13:17 |
| Sarvatt | apw: everythings working great with your 2.6.30-8.9~kms2 kernel with nouveau KMS. http://sarvatt.com/downloads/nouveau-kms.txt | 13:26 |
| Sarvatt | think i might try to start packaging up nouveau gallium now | 13:27 |
| apw | Sarvatt, good news. the later kms kernels don't have nouveau at the moment, its keeps colliding with upstream. this makes it a pain to get into the same kernel. should resolve itself onces radeon kms merges. | 13:30 |
| apw | probablaly will make separate kernels for kms for the moment | 13:30 |
| Sarvatt | sorry it took so long for me to get around to try it! | 14:01 |
| Sarvatt | guess i do have some problems with it looking at the logs, everythings working fine though | 14:01 |
| Sarvatt | think thats just from having the module on top of it being built in, rebuilding it with relaxed depends now so i can get rid of nouveau-kernel-source | 14:03 |
| Sarvatt | thats strange Duke`.. http://sarvatt.com/downloads/Xorg.0.log.txt | 15:22 |
| Sarvatt | looks the same at least | 15:22 |
| * Sarvatt takes that back, just looked harder | 15:24 | |
| Sarvatt | oh i didnt pick my kernel, i thought i was in vesa it was so slow sheesh | 15:37 |
| tjaalton | Duke`: have a logfile? | 15:53 |
| tjaalton | it only tries i810 if intel fails | 15:54 |
| Sarvatt | oh you silly kexec-tools.. | 15:54 |
| Sarvatt | he posted his log http://pastebin.com/m20b737fc | 15:54 |
| Sarvatt | fbdev.. | 15:54 |
| tjaalton | that's pretty stupid :) | 15:56 |
| tjaalton | so is there a livecd to try the nvidia kms? | 15:59 |
| tjaalton | I'll try it on my desktop which has a GF8600GT | 15:59 |
| Sarvatt | nope, we had some problems with the livecd scripts that we havent fixed yet.. all you need is apw's nouveau kernel+libdrm/ddx off edgers though, it wont really hurt anything to need a livecd unless you're on jaunty/windows or something :) | 16:14 |
| Sarvatt | if anything you can just grab the drm from edgers (kernel and ddx are both abi 14 so you need the newer drm than karmics), and use the debian/rules get-orig-source for a git checkout of nouveau and drop the depends on linux-nouveau-source. not sure if i should upload a nouveau where it only recommends the kernel source to edgers :D | 16:15 |
| tjaalton | hmm ok | 16:16 |
| tjaalton | maybe I'l just upgrade to karmic once it's confirmed that the video abi won't change | 16:16 |
| Sarvatt | at the rate 1.6 branch is going i'd be surprised if they even decide that or put out a rc1 before october :D | 16:19 |
| tjaalton | they still have a couple of days to rc1 according to the schedule | 16:21 |
| Sarvatt | http://lists.x.org/archives/xorg-devel/2009-May/000993.html | 16:25 |
| tjaalton | oh, a month.. | 16:26 |
| apw | tjaalton, the nouveau kernel may be MIA right now in my ppa's am pushing an updated one to a new Nouveau specific PPA, which should be built in a couple of hours | 16:28 |
| tjaalton | apw: ok, thanks | 16:32 |
| Sarvatt | its impossible to figure out where stuff is going straight to ppa.launchpad.net/apw now :D | 16:32 |
| tjaalton | looks like the radeon kms will be merged in .31 | 16:33 |
| Sarvatt | found it! | 16:34 |
| Sarvatt | http://ppa.launchpad.net/apw/daily/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux/ | 16:34 |
| Sarvatt | 2.6.30-8.9~kms2 | 16:34 |
| apw | no idea why that is still there :) but that is the old one | 16:35 |
| apw | Sarvatt, i have added titles to the ppa's now at least | 16:35 |
| Sarvatt | oops 8.10 sorry | 16:36 |
| apw | Sarvatt, ok the updates ATI+Intel is built in: https://edge.launchpad.net/~apw/+archive/daily | 16:37 |
| Sarvatt | poor build machines :D | 16:39 |
| apw | yep, giving them a workout today | 16:39 |
| Sarvatt | oh i'll just binary copy, its going to 2 ppas | 16:39 |
| apw | ok | 16:40 |
| apw | Sarvatt, ok kmsnouveau is building (an update to the latest tip there) is going on in: https://edge.launchpad.net/~apw/+archive/blue | 16:41 |
| apw | should be about 2 hours i'd guess | 16:42 |
| Duke` | Sarvatt: we don't have the same xserver version | 17:10 |
| Sarvatt | yeah, nor the same kernel, i915 is built in and kms the default so that might be changing things | 17:15 |
| Sarvatt | ahhhhh ok its really really important not to install nouveau-kernel-source with the KMS kernel :D | 17:18 |
| hyperair | Sarvatt: have you been noticing that when i915 is loaded (with KMS on), usplash disappears, and you see a black screen until X starts? | 17:18 |
| Sarvatt | nope | 17:19 |
| hyperair | =( | 17:19 |
| hyperair | maybe i'm the only one then | 17:19 |
| Sarvatt | i have it built into my kernel so its high res the whole way :D | 17:19 |
| hyperair | blargh! | 17:19 |
| Sarvatt | usplash doesnt work in full rez though, the throbber/progress bar doesnt display | 17:19 |
| hyperair | wait a sec, you mean i915 built into the kernel, rather than as a module? | 17:19 |
| Sarvatt | yeah | 17:20 |
| hyperair | aah i see | 17:20 |
| Duke` | resume after suspend to ram froze keyboard, mouse and video | 17:21 |
| Duke` | with intel KMS | 17:21 |
| Duke` | is it expected? | 17:21 |
| Sarvatt | wouldnt surprise me on jaunty, it's pm-utils doesnt have any of the KMS hooks | 17:23 |
| Duke` | ok | 17:24 |
| Duke` | not really a problem for now, since I have hardware problems with power and suspend (the computer wakes up itself randomly...) | 17:25 |
| Sarvatt | ya could just use karmic's pm-utils though, its got the hooks to not flicker when you suspend, and it removes all the video quirks in KMS mode that are probably crashing you :D | 17:26 |
| Sarvatt | good to see gallium glxgears almost started to open a window before putting the pc into a gpu reset loop :D | 17:52 |
| hyperair | almost huh | 18:10 |
| Sarvatt | 9 reboots later i give up on anything outside of glxinfo | 18:17 |
| hyperair | heheh | 18:19 |
| hyperair | glxinfo actually worked eh | 18:19 |
| hyperair | =p | 18:19 |
| hyperair | reboots really drive me up the wall | 18:19 |
| hyperair | especially those hard locks that screw up the file system enough to force a fsck | 18:20 |
| hyperair | it takes almost 20 minutes to fsck my /home | 18:20 |
| hyperair | ugh | 18:20 |
| hyperair | i just sit around and fall asleep waiting | 18:20 |
| hyperair | thank god for gdm sounds | 18:20 |
| === jldugger_ is now known as pwnguin | ||
| Sarvatt | wow.. i got 1 hour 14 minutes on my 4.5 hour battery with nouveau KMS | 20:45 |
| Sarvatt | any problems with it tormod? | 23:41 |
| tormod | the new kms CD works well | 23:49 |
| Sarvatt | http://sarvatt.com/downloads/xorg-edgers-0.14kms-i386.iso | 23:58 |
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