[08:22] <tjaalton> Sarvatt: let's just default to nouveau and stop worrying about nv :)
[09:05] <Sarvatt> nv seems so nice and easy to use though, who really uses nouveau or nv outside of the initial install or on a livecd? :D only thing -nv is missing is 8xxx and newer IGP support right now. nouveau is kind of a pain in the butt to get going right, have to disable aiglx and make sure nvidiafb isnt loaded 
[09:06] <Sarvatt> maybe i'm just blind but i'm looking at the nouveau code and it looks like it supports even less than -nv does on the mobile side, maybe thats why fedora has the 7xxx IGP patch for -nv :D
[09:10] <tjaalton> the snapshot in karmic is two months old
[09:11] <tjaalton> i don't think fedora uses nv at all
[09:11] <tjaalton> since theis server defaults to nouveau
[09:11] <tjaalton> their, even
[10:08] <Sarvatt> http://patches.ubuntu.com/x/xserver-xorg-video-nv/extracted/104_geforce_6600gt_9100mg.patch  -- the 9100M G part of that *has* to be bogus, theres more places than just the pci id table you need to edit to add new IGPs
[11:11] <hyperair> how very strange. i went to bathe and when i came out, my notebook screen blanked out completely
[12:16] <Duke`> how do I enable KMS for intel? I have kernel 2.6.30-9. Is it still i915.modeset=1 in grub's kernel command line?
[12:23] <Sarvatt> add options i915 modeset=1 to /etc/modprobe.d/i915.conf
[12:25] <Duke`> ok, I tried  i915.modeset=1 but Xorg failed to start and then screen all garbled
[12:27] <Duke`> ah I see, it tried to load i810 driver... :x
[12:30] <Sarvatt> wow, 731MB of updates since i've turned this machine on last when 2.6.30-5.6 came out :D going to give nouveau KMS a shot now
[12:38] <Duke`> ok, I still had to create an xorg.conf file and specify "intel" for the driver, because it still wanted to load i810 >_<
[12:51] <Sarvatt> yuck, lost all my brightness hotkeys on this lappy too and its nvidia so not KMS's fault :D i need to build gnome-power-manager on a PPA with hal enabled again, dont get battery readings on the netbook when its disabled and dont get brightness keys on the other
[12:59] <Sarvatt> http://pastebin.com/m20b737fc  -- is that how Xorg.0.log is supposed to look with a deleted xorg.conf?
[13:00] <Duke`> I don't think so, because it fails :D
[13:00] <Sarvatt> I mean the whole (==) Using default built-in configuration (39 lines)
[13:01] <Sarvatt> going to delete mine and reboot :)
[13:02] <Duke`> I think the generated conf is quite correct, it works without KMS
[13:02] <Duke`> but I wonder why it still tries i810, hasn't this driver been removed?
[13:05] <Sarvatt> hmm looks like i forgot to make a nouveau-kernel-source package for edgers, trying to build the old nouveau modules for a kernel with it built in :D i should drop the dep on nouveau-kernel-source from it
[13:07] <Sarvatt> maybe the dkms install will fail because its already built into the kernel
[13:11] <Sarvatt> so far so good, got a KMS nouveaufb at least. dkms is trying to build the modules though
[13:17] <Sarvatt> have to manually define nouveau in xorg.conf because it defaults to nv and vesa, ahh
[13:26] <Sarvatt> apw: everythings working great with your 2.6.30-8.9~kms2 kernel with nouveau KMS. http://sarvatt.com/downloads/nouveau-kms.txt
[13:27] <Sarvatt> think i might try to start packaging up nouveau gallium now
[13:30] <apw> Sarvatt, good news.  the later kms kernels don't have nouveau at the moment, its keeps colliding with upstream.  this makes it a pain to get into the same kernel.  should resolve itself onces radeon kms merges.
[13:30] <apw> probablaly will make separate kernels for kms for the moment
[14:01] <Sarvatt> sorry it took so long for me to get around to try it!
[14:01] <Sarvatt> guess i do have some problems with it looking at the logs, everythings working fine though
[14:03] <Sarvatt> think thats just from having the module on top of it being built in, rebuilding it with relaxed depends now so i can get rid of nouveau-kernel-source
[15:22] <Sarvatt> thats strange Duke`.. http://sarvatt.com/downloads/Xorg.0.log.txt
[15:22] <Sarvatt> looks the same at least
[15:24]  * Sarvatt takes that back, just looked harder
[15:37] <Sarvatt> oh i didnt pick my kernel, i thought i was in vesa it was so slow sheesh
[15:53] <tjaalton> Duke`: have a logfile?
[15:54] <tjaalton> it only tries i810 if intel fails
[15:54] <Sarvatt> oh you silly kexec-tools..
[15:54] <Sarvatt> he posted his log http://pastebin.com/m20b737fc
[15:54] <Sarvatt> fbdev..
[15:56] <tjaalton> that's pretty stupid :)
[15:59] <tjaalton> so is there a livecd to try the nvidia kms?
[15:59] <tjaalton> I'll try it on my desktop which has a GF8600GT
[16:14] <Sarvatt> nope, we had some problems with the livecd scripts that we havent fixed yet.. all you need is apw's nouveau kernel+libdrm/ddx off edgers though, it wont really hurt anything to need a livecd unless you're on jaunty/windows or something :) 
[16:15] <Sarvatt>  if anything you can just grab the drm from edgers (kernel and ddx are both abi 14 so you need the newer drm than karmics), and use the debian/rules get-orig-source for a git checkout of nouveau and drop the depends on linux-nouveau-source. not sure if i should upload a nouveau where it only recommends the kernel source to edgers :D
[16:16] <tjaalton> hmm ok
[16:16] <tjaalton> maybe I'l just upgrade to karmic once it's confirmed that the video abi won't change
[16:19] <Sarvatt> at the rate 1.6 branch is going i'd be surprised if they even decide that or put out a rc1 before october :D
[16:21] <tjaalton> they still have a couple of days to rc1 according to the schedule
[16:25] <Sarvatt> http://lists.x.org/archives/xorg-devel/2009-May/000993.html
[16:26] <tjaalton> oh, a month..
[16:28] <apw> tjaalton, the nouveau kernel may be MIA right now in my ppa's am pushing an updated one to a new Nouveau specific PPA, which should be built in a couple of hours
[16:32] <tjaalton> apw: ok, thanks
[16:32] <Sarvatt> its impossible to figure out where stuff is going straight to ppa.launchpad.net/apw now :D
[16:33] <tjaalton> looks like the radeon kms will be merged in .31
[16:34] <Sarvatt> found it!
[16:34] <Sarvatt> http://ppa.launchpad.net/apw/daily/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux/
[16:34] <Sarvatt> 2.6.30-8.9~kms2
[16:35] <apw> no idea why that is still there :)  but that is the old one
[16:35] <apw> Sarvatt, i have added titles to the ppa's now at least
[16:36] <Sarvatt> oops 8.10 sorry
[16:37] <apw> Sarvatt, ok the updates ATI+Intel is built in: https://edge.launchpad.net/~apw/+archive/daily
[16:39] <Sarvatt> poor build machines :D
[16:39] <apw> yep, giving them a workout today
[16:39] <Sarvatt> oh i'll just binary copy, its going to 2 ppas
[16:40] <apw> ok
[16:41] <apw> Sarvatt, ok kmsnouveau is building (an update to the latest tip there) is going on in: https://edge.launchpad.net/~apw/+archive/blue
[16:42] <apw> should be about 2 hours i'd guess
[17:10] <Duke`> Sarvatt: we don't have the same xserver version
[17:15] <Sarvatt> yeah, nor the same kernel, i915 is built in and kms the default so that might be changing things
[17:18] <Sarvatt> ahhhhh ok its really really important not to install nouveau-kernel-source with the KMS kernel :D
[17:18] <hyperair> Sarvatt: have you been noticing that when i915 is loaded (with KMS on), usplash disappears, and you see a black screen until X starts?
[17:19] <Sarvatt> nope
[17:19] <hyperair> =(
[17:19] <hyperair> maybe i'm the only one then
[17:19] <Sarvatt> i have it built into my kernel so its high res the whole way :D
[17:19] <hyperair> blargh!
[17:19] <Sarvatt> usplash doesnt work in full rez though, the throbber/progress bar doesnt display
[17:19] <hyperair> wait a sec, you mean i915 built into the kernel, rather than as a module?
[17:20] <Sarvatt> yeah
[17:20] <hyperair> aah i see
[17:21] <Duke`> resume after suspend to ram froze keyboard, mouse and video
[17:21] <Duke`> with intel KMS
[17:21] <Duke`> is it expected?
[17:23] <Sarvatt> wouldnt surprise me on jaunty, it's pm-utils doesnt have any of the KMS hooks
[17:24] <Duke`> ok
[17:25] <Duke`> not really a problem for now, since I have hardware problems with power and suspend (the computer wakes up itself randomly...)
[17:26] <Sarvatt> ya could just use karmic's pm-utils though, its got the hooks to not flicker when you suspend, and it removes all the video quirks in KMS mode that are probably crashing you :D
[17:52] <Sarvatt> good to see gallium glxgears almost started to open a window before putting the pc into a gpu reset loop :D
[18:10] <hyperair> almost huh
[18:17] <Sarvatt> 9 reboots later i give up on anything outside of glxinfo
[18:19] <hyperair> heheh
[18:19] <hyperair> glxinfo actually worked eh
[18:19] <hyperair> =p
[18:19] <hyperair> reboots really drive me up the wall
[18:20] <hyperair> especially those hard locks that screw up the file system enough to force a fsck
[18:20] <hyperair> it takes almost 20 minutes to fsck my /home
[18:20] <hyperair> ugh
[18:20] <hyperair> i just sit around and fall asleep waiting
[18:20] <hyperair> thank god for gdm sounds
[20:45] <Sarvatt> wow.. i got 1 hour 14 minutes on my 4.5 hour battery with nouveau KMS
[23:41] <Sarvatt> any problems with it tormod?
[23:49] <tormod> the new kms CD works well
[23:58] <Sarvatt> http://sarvatt.com/downloads/xorg-edgers-0.14kms-i386.iso