[01:00] <vorian> huh, this is kind of cool
[01:00] <vorian> http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-kde-plasmoids/index.html?ca=drs-
[01:24] <JontheEchidna> kubuntu plug
[05:52] <Mamarok> claydoh: we realy should moderate Steven, he is going mad or what?
[05:52] <Mamarok> I will be away all day and back in the evening only...
[09:33] <Lure> sebas: re umlauts: never heard of Compose key?
[09:34] <sebas> Lure: that's actually standard on Dutch keyboard, and I hate that behaviour :)
[09:34] <Lure> sebas: really? <compose> " a - just sounds natural to me ;-)
[09:35] <Lure> sebas: I use it for slavic characters
[09:35] <Lure> čšž
[09:35] <sebas> I could never get used to it
[09:35] <Lure> sebas: I like it as it is useful for any special char and works everywhere (unless on Windows ;-))
[09:36]  * Lure hates that VirtualBox does not have support for Compose key ;-)
[09:36] <Lure> sebas: but I agree with your first point - no way to hack w/o US keyboard ;-)
[09:37]  * Lure has always problems with ordering US english keaybords for laptops ;-)
[09:37] <sebas> :)
[09:48] <\sh> sebas: much more easy...don't type umlauts...use ue ;)
[09:50] <sebas> \sh: yeah, and bastardize my own name
[09:50] <sebas> Amazin how much feedback I'm getting, I seem to have hit a topic everybody has an opinion about
[10:04] <\sh> sebas: I do that always...because people from other countries don't pronounce "Stephan" correctly...so
[10:05] <\sh> I'm mostly "Steven" or "Stephen" or "Steve" ;)
[10:51] <kwwii> Riddell: stupid question, but do you know when the kde ev meeting/voting thing is happening at gran canaria?
[10:51] <kwwii> I am in the process of booking flights and wondered when I need to arrive
[10:54] <sebas> kwwii: I *think* the Tuesday
[10:54] <sebas> let me check though
[10:54] <kwwii> sebas: hey man
[10:54] <sebas> hey dude :)
[10:54] <kwwii> sebas: thanks...as long as I know it is not on the 3rd or such :)
[10:54] <sebas> It's Tuesday 7-7
[10:54] <kwwii> sebas: excellent, thanks for the info
[10:55] <kwwii> sorry to bother
[10:55] <Riddell> I wonder what happens on the Monday then?
[10:55] <sebas> nope, doing it in advance hasn't been good for attendance
[10:55] <sebas> akademy talks, Riddell :)
[10:55] <sebas> http://www.grancanariadesktopsummit.org/node/10
[10:55] <sebas> http://www.grancanariadesktopsummit.org/node/115
[10:56] <Riddell> has the talks timetable been announced?
[10:56] <sebas> Not yet, it's not completely finalised
[10:56] <Riddell> ok
[10:56] <sebas> or rather, it has been announced as part of the keynotes, but not specifically
[11:18] <\sh> lucky people...and we need to waste our time in a new datacenter somewhere in FFM
[12:18] <Sput> \sh: hehe. want me to visit you one of these days?
[12:27] <Riddell> Nightrose: do you know which kubuntu people are going to linuxtag?
[12:27] <Nightrose> Riddell: yea, one second
[12:28] <Nightrose> Riddell: monika krug, franziska tenzer, arthur schiwon and milian wolff and Czessi
[12:28] <Nightrose> and me
[12:30] <sebas> and me :)
[12:30] <Nightrose> \o/
[12:31] <Riddell> Nightrose: do you know  is there's  a separate stall or if it's part of KDE?
[12:31] <Nightrose> Riddell: shared booth for kde amarok and kubuntu
[12:31] <Nightrose> it's going to be cuddly
[12:32] <Riddell> Nightrose: do you know if anyone has the kubuntu poster stand?
[12:32] <Nightrose> but they have a lot less booths this year so we have to take what we can get
[12:32] <Riddell> and if anyone has CDs and stickers ordered?
[12:32] <Nightrose> no idea - Czessi would know i think
[12:32] <Riddell> Czessi: ping ping
[12:32] <sebas> Riddell: are you going to LT? (And did I ask you already?)
[12:33] <sebas> (to which you answered
[12:33] <sebas> "no")?
[12:33] <Riddell> sebas: I'm not
[12:33] <sebas> I knew that then :)
[12:33] <\sh> Sput: hmmm...we are working during nights ;)
[12:33] <Sput> \sh: and are you doing at daytime?
[12:33] <Sput> *what
[12:33] <\sh> Sput: sleeping?
[12:33] <Sput> \sh: that is effed up :)
[12:34] <Sput> so we need to drink a morning beer then?
[12:34] <sebas> Rock the night, sleep all day!
[12:35] <\sh> Sput: hehe...this evening we are driving to duesseldorf..then we disassemble some servers from our racks there..then back to ffm...and tomorrow afternoon two other colleagues are assembling the servers, and I'm going back to duesseldorf...then back to ffm..and for the rest of the week nightshifts in FFM
[12:35] <Sput> hmm ok, sounds like meeting each other won't be too easy then :/
[12:36] <Sput> btw, what happened to that party?
[12:36] <\sh> Sput: sadly yes...
[12:36] <Sput> I won't be around from the 24th of june until late july
[12:36] <sebas> Sput: you're going to akademy btw?
[12:36] <Sput> sebas: sadly not
[12:36] <\sh> Sput: planning already begun ... people from all over germany will be invited..so it will be late july or beginning/mid august
[12:36] <Sput> nor Linuxtag
[12:36] <sebas> dude!
[12:36] <Sput> sebas: I'm in Australia during that time :/
[12:36] <sebas> whoah, life caught up with you or something?
[12:37] <sebas> Well, AUS doesn't sound bad as alternative
[12:37] <Sput> work pays a trip to Australia, I couldn't resist :)
[12:37] <Sput> the conference is right during akademy
[12:37] <Sput> and the vacation we do before the conference is right during linuxtag
[12:37] <Sput> bad timing, but meh
[12:37]  * \sh tries to attend froscon this year...but not being sure about that, because of kid wife and work
[12:37] <Sput> wife?
[12:37] <Sput> what did I miss?
[12:38] <\sh> Sput: nothing...I just call her wife :)
[12:38] <Sput> anyway, I am going to be at froscon if nothing really bad happens
[12:38] <\sh> Sput: when it's time for marriage believe me you need to be there :)
[12:38] <Sput> \sh: I hope so :>
[12:38] <sebas> I probably won't, didn't send in a talk and it might be one of the sacrifices of a full-time job
[12:38] <Sput> sebas: meh :)
[12:39] <\sh> and I wonder if I should invite sebas to be the man who operate the tap for the beer
[12:39] <sebas> work-work sent me to UDS and Akademy already, so I can't really complain
[12:39] <Sput> and now that the KDE offices moved to Berlin, there probably won't be another easy opportunity to meet up soon :/
[12:39] <sebas> \sh: I sure have some qualification :)
[12:39] <sebas> We've not moved yet. :P
[12:39] <Riddell> "KDE offices moved to Berlin" huh?
[12:39] <sebas> It's not even decided conclusively
[12:39] <\sh> sebas: yeah...the koelsch last time in St. Augustin was well served ;)
[12:39] <Sput> sebas: yeah, but I'm busy this week and away starting next week :(
[12:40] <Sput> sebas: I thought claudia was moving away though
[12:40] <sebas> even then it won't :P
[12:40] <sebas> She did, she's commutting right now, and we're looking into moving
[12:40] <sebas> But GCDS is much more important right now
[12:40] <Sput> right
[12:42]  * Sput goes back to torturing students
[12:50] <milian> regardind LT: sadly I wont have much time that week and wont be there so often :-/
[13:59] <seele> is the next meeting tomorrow night?
[14:01] <Riddell> seele: yes  I think so
[14:01] <Riddell> next on my todo list is announcing that
[14:03] <seele> hehe ok
[14:03] <Riddell> 23:00 do?
[14:03] <seele> UTC?
[14:03] <Riddell> yes
[14:03] <seele> is that the most popular time?
[14:04] <Riddell> as good as any other I think, and I'm about before then
[14:04] <Riddell> I'm not about before then
[14:19] <rgreening> ryanakca: ping
[14:19] <rgreening> I've looked everywhere for the image... I can't seem to find it...
[14:29] <Tonio_> http://www.opera.com/freedom/
[14:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: and if they go opensource ? :)
[14:30] <Tonio_> I hope it'll be what I'm thinking about...
[14:44] <Riddell> Tonio_: I'll believe it  when I see it
[14:54] <rgreening> ryanakca: I'll ty and re-create it now...
[15:08] <mpt> Hi, if I'm running Ubuntu, which package should I install to get Kubuntu's System Settings GUI?
[15:08] <Riddell> mpt: systemsettings
[15:08] <mpt> oh, "systemsettings"
[15:08] <mpt> silly me
[15:08] <mpt> thanks Riddell
[15:14] <seele> mpt: still working on control center?
[15:14] <seele> mpt: have you had any more contact with the sun people regarding their work?
[15:14] <mpt> seele, no and no, sorry
[15:15] <seele> ah, too bad. they were doing some interesting stuff and systemsettings/controlcenter really do need some work
[15:15] <mpt> Actually working on trying to get Ubuntu's language/region settings up to about 25% of Kubuntu's sophistication :-)
[15:16] <seele> hehe
[15:16] <seele> sounds like fun
[15:25] <Riddell> nixternal: has the calendar disappeared from the firdge?
[15:28] <Czessi> Riddell: Hi, I've the Kubuntu stand poster and a lot of other posters. we have some stickers and we ordered cds via juliux from ubuntu-de. monika and blizzz has an interview with radiotux about kubuntu-de on saturday
[15:30] <Riddell> Czessi: excellent!
[15:31] <Riddell> Czessi: do you know how many CDs you'll get?
[15:31] <Czessi> Riddell: here you can see the other posters: http://www.czessi.de/de/images/cimg0316-jpg
[15:32] <Riddell> Czessi: wow, who made them?
[15:35] <Czessi> Riddell: i don't know how many CDs we will resieved. i think we have orderen around 2000. when we become 1000 i think it's ok
[15:35] <Riddell> that's a decent amount
[15:39] <Czessi> Riddell: but more than last year. last year they send us only 200 or 300 cds
[15:44] <Czessi> for the posters we build a pdf and printed it at a college
[15:46] <Riddell> Czessi: after linuxtag I'd like the poster stand to go to Gran Canaria, I'm asking the KDE admin if she can sort that out
[15:50] <Czessi> Riddell: i think gran canaria is in july. it would we good, when i can put the poster stand in the kde booth box and after gran canaria the poster stand can arrived me back via the kde booth box at froscon in august.
[15:51] <Riddell> that would be good yes
[15:53] <Riddell> Czessi: seems like the booth box isn't going to Gran Canaria, can I send you  a postal address to ship it to?
[15:56] <Czessi> Riddell: yes, no problem. is it possible that you send me them back after gran canaria? we have need it for froscon (August) and other exhibitions like "Linux-Info-Tag Dresden" in this year
[15:56] <Riddell> Czessi: yep,  I'll take it back or find someone in .de who can do so
[15:58] <Czessi> Riddell: great :-)
[16:01] <Riddell> Czessi: e-mailed you the postal address
[16:02] <Riddell> seaLne: talking about Kubuntu posters, do you have any of the canvas ones from previous akademys?
[16:02] <seaLne> not sure what happened with them after last year? did they not end up with kubuntu-de?
[16:04] <Czessi> Riddell: yes, i've recieved the mail
[16:08] <Riddell> Sput: is there a Quassel mailing list?
[16:09] <Sput> Riddell: no, though I really should set one up :)
[16:10] <Riddell> Sput: we have a list of features that Kubuntu people would like to see done in Quassel, where is a good place to send it?
[16:10] <Sput> Riddell: devel at quassel-irc.org
[16:10] <Riddell> Sput: where does that end up?
[16:11] <Sput> basically, EgS and I get it :)
[16:11] <Riddell> :)
[16:18] <Riddell> Tonio_: did you send kubuntu_01_google_lucky.diff upstream?
[16:19] <Riddell> Tonio_: I have 0.7.1 installed but typing into the address bar doesn't give me feeling lucky
[16:20] <Riddell> probably build system doesn't have patching enabled, or maybe debian/patches/series is missing
[16:21] <WanderingKnight> hey there, just a question here
[16:21] <WanderingKnight> I'm using the experimental PPAs
[16:22] <WanderingKnight> and for some reason when I rebooted today the plasma-desktop-appletsrc file is not loading correctly and I get a gray desktop with no interaction possible
[16:22] <WanderingKnight> panels work
[16:22] <WanderingKnight> but the desktop doesn't
[16:22] <WanderingKnight> do you have any idea which entry in the plasma-desktop-appletsrc file could be causing the problem?
[16:23] <WanderingKnight> was anything like this reported?
[16:24] <Riddell> WanderingKnight: I don't know but possibly the wallpaper plasmoid isn't loading for some reason?
[16:24] <Riddell> what happens if you right click and change that?
[16:25] <WanderingKnight> nothing, it's like plasma is not taking ownership of the desktop
[16:25] <Mamarok> WanderingKnight: you don't have third party plasmoids?
[16:25] <WanderingKnight> nope
[16:26] <WanderingKnight> I actually had no plasmoids on my desktop other than the panels
[16:26] <Mamarok> came accross that with a user the other night, he had installed plasmoids from another PPA
[16:26] <WanderingKnight> if I rename the config file everything comes back to normal with the default values
[16:26] <WanderingKnight> hmm
[16:26] <WanderingKnight> the only PPA I have is kubuntu-experimental
[16:28] <Mamarok> ok, then it's a different issue
[16:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: arora's patch doesn't work atm... the packaging is good, but it won't work as it did during the uds
[16:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: I have to check this out
[16:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: so I didn't send the patch upstream, of course :)
[16:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: the patch didn't change though... that's a bit strange...
[16:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: atm I'mm stuck with cmake issues and kpackagekit....
[16:40]  * Tonio_ is a bit bored with cmake errors those days...
[16:40] <Riddell> uh oh
[16:40] <Riddell> let me know if you need some  help
[16:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum I used to pig you about that but you were not there...
[16:45] <levu> Hi, i have a problem with QtCreator: he can't find my qt version, where is it located?
[16:45] <Riddell> I've been away for a few days
[16:45] <Riddell> levu: I've no idea, depends on where it's looking
[16:46] <levu> Riddell: do you have it installed?
[16:46] <Riddell> no
[16:46] <levu> hmm, does anyone has a working version of qt creator?
[16:47] <Riddell> Tonio_ is the last uploader of qt creator
[16:49] <Riddell> no he's not, lex is, he's not around just now
[16:49] <levu> Riddell: hmm... maybe i'll search a little bit with google or so...
[16:50] <Riddell> levu: danimo may know (he's on irc but not this channel)
[16:50] <levu> Riddell: thx
[16:50] <Riddell> infact I see there's a #qt-creator channel who might know
[16:50] <levu> yes, i saw it also :)
[17:43] <nixternal> Riddell: ya, it does look the calendar is missing from the fridge
[17:58] <Riddell> shtylman_: how  did openoffice-kde progress while I've been away?  you were promising packages just before I left
[18:01] <nixternal> Riddell: apport:  pykde - complete, hooks - complete, Help->Report Bug - complete
[18:02] <nixternal> pitti merged in my pykde changes yesterday so we should be seeing that soon, I uploaded the updated kubuntu_51 patch to bzr that contains the changes for Help->Report Bug if you want to look it over
[18:02] <nixternal> that hasn't been tested, but it does at least build :)
[18:05] <Riddell> nixternal: rock king
[18:10] <Mamarok> claydoh: are you around?
[18:11] <yuriy_work> anybody successfully build and/or run kdepim on ms windows?
[18:11] <nixternal> anybody successfully run ms windows?
[18:11] <nixternal> ;p
[18:12] <apachelogger> hm
[18:12] <apachelogger> I do
[18:12] <apachelogger> Riddell: please pass quassel through NEW
[18:12] <nixternal> have to sit on a pillow today, saddle sore is killing me...hard to concentrate
[18:12] <apachelogger> comes with major size decrease muahahahaha
[18:13] <yuriy_work> nixternal: no, but having kmail would be nice.
[18:13] <nixternal> I have my list of 20 bugs to knock out, don't know how easy this will be now
[18:13] <yuriy_work> first day at work, stuck on task #1: set up mail client
[18:13] <nixternal> lol
[18:13] <Riddell> yuriy_work: what's work?
[18:13] <nixternal> yuriy_work: I take it isn't an Exchange mail service
[18:13] <nixternal> yuriy_work: they won't let you run Linux?
[18:13] <Riddell> apachelogger: done
[18:13] <nixternal> silly corporates
[18:14] <apachelogger> Riddell: thx
[18:14] <yuriy_work> Riddell: these guys: ptcusa.com
[18:14] <yuriy_work> nixternal: nope not Exchange
[18:14] <nixternal> lucky you
[18:14] <Riddell> yuriy_work: I suspect kdepim is still a work in progress on windows, kdab are working on it though
[18:14] <yuriy_work> nixternal: I can run linux but I also need visual studio. so for now it's XP + linux in VM (which I haven't installed yet) maybe later I'll swap
[18:15] <nixternal> nice, I like what they tested their site with, Konqueror 4.1.3 :)
[18:16] <nixternal> hrmm, I know I have heard of Pyramid, just can't think why
[18:17] <apachelogger> daft punk => alive 2007 => pyramid => <3 pyramid
[18:17] <apachelogger> yuriy_work: you should swap now :P
[18:17] <apachelogger> probably a bit time saver
[18:17] <apachelogger> big even
[18:18] <nixternal> S100 - that's why I have heard of Pyramid...we used it with Allen Bradley PLCs
[18:20] <yuriy_work> 4 hours of use: 42% file fragmentation
[18:20] <nixternal> hahhahaha
[18:21] <yuriy_work> also >20GB used with no user data
[18:22] <apachelogger> must be vista
[18:24] <yuriy_work> 25GB even. XP, with visual studio 2005 + 2008, KDE 4.2.3, OO.o, and one other multiple CD piece of software
[18:24] <Mamarok> hm, are there printer setup problems in 4.2.90?
[18:25] <Mamarok> no way to start the printer setup tool, and it is not in systemsettings anymore
[18:25] <Riddell> yeah that needs looked at
[18:26] <Mamarok> ouch, and how do I print in the mean time, cups setup I guess?
[18:26] <yuriy_work> Mamarok:  yeah localhost:631 should do it
[18:27] <apachelogger> yuriy_work: ewww
[18:27] <apachelogger> so
[18:27] <apachelogger> people
[18:27] <apachelogger> what do you want me to work on today?
[18:28] <yuriy_work> hmm which bullet. ext3 w/ ext2ifs driver in win or ntfs w/ ntfs-3g
[18:28] <apachelogger> I will probably reach ballmer peak in about 2 hours, so better give me directions now, before I go insane or something
[18:28] <shtylman_> Riddell: I got held up by the install process...but that has been cleared up (got help from some other go-oo people) and now I am putting some finishing touches on the fpicker...others have compiled with my new kde4 stuff and reported success with the widget drawing side of things :)
[18:31] <claydoh> Mamarok: for a minute. leaving for work soon
[18:31] <apachelogger> neversfelde: ping
[18:31] <neversfelde> apachelogger: pong
[18:31] <Mamarok> claydoh: this Luis chap has disappeared from the mailing list...
[18:32] <apachelogger> neversfelde: wanna beat up bug 66362
[18:32] <neversfelde> apachelogger: I am writing exams till next week, so I am technically not here :)
[18:32] <Mamarok> claydoh: so no wonder he is not posting anmore
[18:32] <claydoh> Mamarok: not sure if luis is muzzer or not
[18:33] <claydoh> tha's who i thought it was
[18:33] <Mamarok> oh, you mean a fake setup by muzer to piss off Steven?
[18:34] <neversfelde> apachelogger: if it is not that urgent, I will have a look at it next week?
[18:34] <Mamarok> claydoh: any thoughts on what we do now?
[18:34] <apachelogger> neversfelde: well, not that urgent, it just needs to be kind of done for 9.10 :P
[18:34] <apachelogger> that darn bug is 300 years around
[18:35] <Mamarok> claydoh: I also got a PM from another user, did you get that too?
[18:35] <apachelogger> and I threw it at at least as many people, still it is not fixed :P
[18:35] <apachelogger> neversfelde: so, can I assing the bug to you?
[18:35] <claydoh> steve directly named muzer (muzeerakascooby@gmail.com
[18:35] <neversfelde> apachelogger: yes
[18:35] <claydoh> Mamarok: yes
[18:36] <Mamarok> ok, then I don't need to forward it
[18:36] <shtylman_> Riddell: I do want to create packagees...but only once I am satisfied :)
[18:36] <Mamarok> well, steven talks about Luis now in his posts, didn't warn him not to continue with his accusations?
[18:36] <Riddell> shtylman_: cool, no rush, working code is the important thing
[18:36] <Mamarok> didn't we*
[18:37] <claydoh> yes i did, but haven't caught up e=with everything
[18:37] <claydoh> and i do neees to leave for work :(
[18:38] <Mamarok> claydoh: I will be around most of the time these days, I will watch this closely, but would like to have some input from you too :)
[18:38] <claydoh> I will provide :)
[18:39] <Mamarok> thx :)
[18:39] <claydoh> He does need to get help with his current problem, though. We'll see how he responds to the help offered
[18:39] <Mamarok> yes, let's hope he stops with his paranoia
[18:40]  * Riddell writes main inclusion reports for Arora, Choqok, kopete-facebook and qjson
[18:43] <apachelogger> Riddell: kopete-facebook is still on revu?
[18:46] <Riddell> apachelogger: it's in the archive
[18:47] <Riddell> let me remove it from revu
[18:47] <apachelogger> oh
[18:47] <apachelogger> nah
[18:47] <apachelogger> Riddell: tonio uploaded a new version it seems
[18:48] <apachelogger> or maybe not
[18:48] <apachelogger> I am getting confused :P
[18:49] <Riddell> archived
[18:51]  * Riddell moves  kaffeine to main and adds to seeds
[18:53] <apachelogger> I need someone with an audio cd
[18:53] <apachelogger> right now, right here
[18:53] <apachelogger> HALP!
[18:54] <Riddell> apachelogger: I can dig one out
[18:55] <Nightrose> apachelogger: does neon build right now? (/me guesses not because of missing liblastfm)
[18:55] <Nightrose> can you have a look at that?
[18:55] <apachelogger> Riddell: ok... make sure "lame" is not installed, insert audio cd and go to audiocd:/
[18:55] <Nightrose> i have a audio cd in return ;-)
[18:55] <apachelogger> no MP3 folder should be showing up
[18:55] <apachelogger> then install lame and reload the slave a couple of times
[18:55] <apachelogger> MP3 folder shoudl show up
[18:56] <apachelogger> Nightrose: there were no uploads since friday really
[18:56] <Nightrose> apachelogger: ok well it'll probably not build anyway
[18:56] <apachelogger> also the lastfm stuff should be optional really
[18:57] <apachelogger> it's just a matter of wrapping the web service and the applet into an if liblastfm, isn't it?
[18:57] <Riddell> liblastfm is on revu
[18:57] <Riddell> it has a curious build system
[18:57] <apachelogger> does indeed
[18:57] <apachelogger> Nightrose: mxcl should be using cmake :P
[18:57] <Nightrose> apachelogger: yes but it's an integral part of amarok that needs testing - so i'd rather have it added to neon if possible
[18:58] <Nightrose> apachelogger: told him already
[18:58] <apachelogger> Nightrose: well, yeah, I agree on the testing but still it should be optional to build :P
[18:58]  * apachelogger has a feeling that debian will rip the media services apart into seperate packages anyway :P
[18:59] <apachelogger> s/media/web
[18:59] <apachelogger> oh
[18:59] <apachelogger> Oo
[18:59] <apachelogger> Conflict discovered in '/home/apachelogger/neon/root/svn/amarok-nightly/src/Amarok.h'.
[19:00] <Riddell> apachelogger: I confirm MP3 folder appears after I install lame
[19:00] <apachelogger> Riddell: ok, thx :)
[19:00]  * apachelogger closes bug reports
[19:07] <shtylman_> Riddell: did you get a chance to look at the ubiquity mockups...? the sidebar is the big idea I would like to try...I am also gonna make a new set of mockups using the 'air' plasma container style instead of that blur I have now...
[19:13] <apachelogger> I liked it, though IMHO it should go fullscreen if invoked as ubiquity-only-session
[19:34] <Riddell> shtylman_: no where are they?
[19:34] <shtylman_> http://shtylman.com/stuff/kubuntu_installer/
[19:35] <shtylman_> those are actual working widgets...with css styles applied
[19:37] <apachelogger> css styles++
[19:38] <apachelogger> the suse installer looks really slick for the better part
[19:39] <Riddell> shtylman_: bling!
[19:40] <Riddell> shtylman_: this is running in ubiquity only session?
[19:41] <shtylman_> it would be yes...that is actually just a quick stand alone mockup I made...
[19:41] <shtylman_> but my plan is to do something similar in the non standalone session except without the blue background
[19:41] <Riddell> shtylman_: no logo though, that breaks the branding for derivatives guidelines
[19:41] <shtylman_> think basically like a giant plasmoid container
[19:42] <Riddell> shtylman_: also you need to be careful about accessibility when playing with widget colours, the final style should be run by the kde accessibility dudes
[19:42] <shtylman_> Riddell: gotcha...didn't know the policy on that...they can easily change the logo though with a simple css.. :)
[19:43] <shtylman_> k...hopefully the widget colors will match the rest of kde...that is the plan
[19:43] <shtylman_> just havn't put too much time into it yet
[19:43] <shtylman_> what do you think about the sidebar steps display?
[19:43] <Riddell> shtylman_: top stuff I think
[19:43] <apachelogger> +1
[19:43] <shtylman_> I like that type of installer because it is more clear about what is happening
[19:52] <Riddell> changing desktop in beta 2 puts a curious plasmoid on the screen, not sure how useful it is
[19:53] <shtylman_> what do you mean?
[19:54] <Riddell> try it and see :)
[19:55] <shtylman_> what do you mean by changing desktop...
[19:55] <shtylman_> like multiple desktops?
[19:55] <Riddell> yes, control-F2
[19:56] <shtylman_> I get nothing :(
[20:06] <apachelogger> Nightrose: http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/Promotion
[20:06] <_Groo_> hi apachelogger, all
[20:07] <Riddell> evening _Groo_
[20:07] <Nightrose> apachelogger: *lol* - i'll clean it up
[20:07] <Nightrose> thx
[20:07] <apachelogger> _Groo_: hullos
[20:07] <apachelogger> Nightrose: well, make sure you take up on that :P
[20:07] <apachelogger> we had some pretty funky ideas back in the days
[20:08] <Nightrose> you also had lots of time :D
[20:08] <apachelogger> it's not a matter of time, it is a matte rof how you use your resources :P
[20:20] <ryanakca> rgreening: Lovely, thanks
[20:30] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: The KWin thing is probably due to this: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-default-settings/1:9.10.6
[20:31] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: kwin thing?
[20:31] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: plasmaish thing on desktop change
[20:31] <Riddell> "enables desktop popup name on desktop swich" ah hah
[20:32] <Riddell> well we'll see if what feedback we get
[20:32] <JontheEchidna> I'm also not quite sure I agree with the screen edge timeout being set to 0
[20:32] <JontheEchidna> there was a timeout there for a purpose :/
[20:33] <JontheEchidna> oh, this explains where amarok's splash screen went: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-default-settings/1:9.10.3
[20:33] <Riddell> what is htat?
[20:33] <JontheEchidna> the timeout was there to lower the chance of accidental activation of the screen edge actoins
[20:34] <Riddell> tonio has been busy :)
[20:34] <Riddell> splash screens are evil
[20:34] <JontheEchidna> I would like to note that without it, the launch feedback icon goes away before amarok is launched
[20:34] <JontheEchidna> so the first time around I thought it crashed or somethign
[20:34] <mgraesslin> JontheEchidna: I don't think that's a good idea
[20:34] <mgraesslin> "set electrib borders timeout to 0"
[20:35] <JontheEchidna> agreed
[20:35] <Riddell> argue it at the meeting tomorrow?
[20:35] <Riddell> or just revert the change in bzr and let him argue it :)
[20:36] <JontheEchidna> ;-)
[20:36] <JontheEchidna> I'll put defaults on the agenda at any rate
[20:45] <neversfelde> apachelogger: I do not know what it is for, but I can use this equation solver with kalzium on karmic. Seems to be an already solved bug?
[20:45] <apachelogger> possilby
[20:46] <apachelogger> buildlog will tell
[20:46] <neversfelde> also kdeedu depends on ocaml and libfacile-ocaml-dev
[20:46] <apachelogger> are they in main now?
[20:46] <JontheEchidna> yeah, it's in main now
[20:46] <apachelogger> ohhh
[20:46] <apachelogger> then it might be fixed indeed
[20:48] <apachelogger> neversfelde: looks fixed if JontheEchidna is right and they are both mained
[20:48] <apachelogger> which apprently is true
[20:48] <apachelogger> \o/
[20:50] <Quintasan> hmm, meeting is veryy late
[20:50] <neversfelde> uh, yes
[20:51] <neversfelde> this is not late, it is early in the morning :)
[20:51] <apachelogger> is it?
[20:51] <Quintasan> oh, right
[20:51] <apachelogger> what is it in CEST?
[20:51] <Quintasan> now you mention it, it's +2 in Poland now
[20:51] <neversfelde> 1 am or not
[20:51] <Quintasan> 01:00 Friday :P
[20:52] <apachelogger> Quintasan: wed :P
[20:52] <Quintasan> ARGH
[20:53] <Quintasan> I seriously need to rest
[20:53] <Quintasan> @_@
[20:53] <apachelogger> 1 am is fine for me, but don't expect me to be sober and don't expect me to run for council :P
[20:54] <Quintasan> :D
[20:54]  * ScottK would have thought less sober would make it more likely.
[20:54] <apachelogger> hm
[20:54] <apachelogger> true, who knows
[20:55] <neversfelde> I cannot make it, another test on friday morning, the 9th one :/
[20:56] <apachelogger> makes me think of NIN
[20:56] <Quintasan> I guess I will sleep till noon and I'll be fine :3
[20:56] <apachelogger> Quintasan: sounds like a plan
[20:57] <Quintasan> apachelogger: knowing myself I will get up at 9 o' clock :S
[20:57] <apachelogger> so go to bed at 18 oc and get up again at 1 :P
[20:58] <Quintasan> That won't work, you think I haven't tried it? :D
[20:59] <apachelogger> worked for me all the time :P
[20:59] <apachelogger> well, actually, only once the other times was too excited that I couldn't have sleet anyway :)
[21:00] <Quintasan> oh, happen for me everyday :D
[21:00] <Quintasan> s/for/to
[21:02] <Quintasan> my sis said I have too much energy, to be exact "You have ADHD. Go to bed now!"
[21:08] <apachelogger> ADHD is no fun at all
[21:10] <Quintasan> I hope she was joking :X
[21:11] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: before I forget, would you mind looking at bug 387291?
[21:12] <apachelogger> Quintasan: oh well, as long as you get diagnosed and treated at some point :P
[21:15] <_Groo_> guys the bittorrent bug in kget is a kde one or a kubuntu package one?
[21:16] <Quintasan> apachelogger: I wonder if I should record myself when I can't go skateboarding, I sometimes start running up and downstairs because I can't go outside :D
[21:17] <apachelogger> uh, that sounds weird indeed :P
[21:17] <apachelogger> _Groo_: package
[21:17] <apachelogger> there is a bug report somewhere
[21:17] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: done
[21:17] <Quintasan> http://artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~kendy/blog/archives/monthly/2009-06.html#2009-06-15T14_37_23.htm
[21:18] <Quintasan> KDE4 integration in OO.o was prepared very quickly
[21:18] <_Groo_> Quintasan: where where???
[21:18] <Quintasan> _Groo_: just open up the link :P
[21:20] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: thanks
[21:20] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: ^.^
[21:21] <ryanakca> apachelogger: libqinfinity in Debian NEW :)
[21:22] <JontheEchidna> ^meaning it'll only be a few more months before it's out of NEW? :P
[21:22] <apachelogger> ryanakca: NEW aint is no unstable :P
[21:23] <ryanakca> JontheEchidna: hehe, nah, I'm betting a month. I'll get it sync'd into Karmic once it gets out :)
[21:23] <apachelogger> ryanakca: why not upload to karmic as well?
[21:23] <apachelogger> kern did that too with libinfinity
[21:23] <Quintasan> hmm, I need to check progress on shaman
[21:24] <apachelogger> seems like a good way to go around the NEW lag ;-)
[21:24] <ryanakca> apachelogger: sure, I'll s/-1/-0ubuntu1/ and build / test...
[21:24] <ryanakca> apachelogger: Also, did you have any difficulty getting kobby to detect libqinfinity?
[21:24] <apachelogger> none at all
[21:24] <apachelogger> btw
[21:24] <apachelogger> did anyone blog about the kobby packages?
[21:25] <apachelogger> really, if you want a kickass product for next UDS you better promote it's packages so it gets testing :P
[21:25] <ryanakca> Odd... it fails to detect it in experimental :/
[21:26] <apachelogger> maybe your package is flawed :P
[21:27] <ryanakca> apachelogger: *shrug*, Phil Kern seemed to like it :P
[21:27]  * Quintasan 's KDE brainstorm ideas got positive response
[21:27] <apachelogger> I mean your kobby package :P
[21:27] <apachelogger> Quintasan: what idea would that be?
[21:28] <Quintasan> apachelogger: KRunner interface to Amarok and clickable links in status messages in Kopete (there was a wish on bugzilla, but it was from 6 years ago :P)
[21:28] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: also we can sync speedcrunch since debian picked up the translation delta
[21:29] <apachelogger> uh, yeah, clicakable links
[21:29] <apachelogger> good idea that is
[21:29] <apachelogger> Quintasan: did you look into creating the runner yourself?
[21:29] <apachelogger> I heared it is not too difficult
[21:30] <Quintasan> apachelogger: nope, my skills in programming are almost none
[21:30] <apachelogger> well, get some then
[21:30] <apachelogger> c++ and kde are all fancy things to get started with :P
[21:30] <JontheEchidna> whoa, I was thinking a few days ago about how I couldn't get QtCurve sponsored before there was a new release
[21:31] <JontheEchidna> there's another release now
[21:31] <apachelogger> not as fancy as ruby, but still
[21:31] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: does it have a packaging branch?
[21:32] <Quintasan> I just started Qt but looks like it's a bit too early for me to learn it.
[21:32] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: probably should
[21:32]  * apachelogger aint sponsoring no stuff that aint got no branch
[21:32] <apachelogger> Quintasan: well, you need to know some c++ basics
[21:32] <apachelogger> nothing to fancy, but the basics semantics et all
[21:33] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: john are you there?
[21:33] <Quintasan> I'm trying,but those pointers drive me crazy, I will skip them for a while
[21:33] <apachelogger> Quintasan: http://poignantguide.net/ruby/ you might wanna look into that, smarter says its a good guide to ruby, and ruby is pretty easy to learn IMHO
[21:34] <apachelogger> especially since one doesn't have to fiddle with indents like in python :P
[21:35] <JontheEchidna> _Groo_: yup
[21:35] <Quintasan> I tried python, intresting but I stopped learning, dunno why
[21:36] <Quintasan> s/intresting/interesting
[21:36] <apachelogger> try ruby
[21:36] <apachelogger> feels different
[21:38] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: when i fix the liblastfm package i just warn you via email?
[21:39] <JontheEchidna> http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/liblastfm
[21:39] <JontheEchidna> you probably should have pushed it to revu
[21:40] <JontheEchidna> cuz riddell went ahead and packaged it too it seems
[21:40] <apachelogger> no
[21:40] <apachelogger> it is what _Groo_ made
[21:40] <apachelogger> jr just pushed it
[21:40] <JontheEchidna> oh
[21:41] <JontheEchidna> confusing...
[21:41] <JontheEchidna> _Groo_: nvm
[21:41] <_Groo_> apachelogger: if its better then mine (and probably is) :) just use it instead
[21:41] <JontheEchidna> anyway, I'll just subscribe to the package so I get email upates automatically
[21:41] <apachelogger> _Groo_: it is yours, check out the page
[21:41] <apachelogger> and go fix up your package :P
[21:42] <_Groo_> apachelogger: i know its mine and ill fix it
[21:42] <_Groo_> apachelogger: ahh you got confused because jon upload it instead of me.. :D
[21:43] <apachelogger> no, JontheEchidna got confused :P
[21:43] <apachelogger> I understood it all along :P
[21:44] <Quintasan> judging from current state Shaman wont be ready for Karmic :<
[21:44] <_Groo_> apachelogger: now im confused.. was not jon that uploaded it in the first place?
[21:45] <apachelogger> _Groo_: Jonathan Riddell (Riddell) uploaded, Jonathan Thomas got confused (JontheEchidna)
[21:45] <_Groo_> apachelogger: ahhh JontheEchidna is NOT ridell :P didnt know that
[21:45] <apachelogger> lol
[21:46] <Quintasan> LOL
[21:46]  * Quintasan just sprayed tea over his keyboard
[21:46] <_Groo_> jonathan this jonathan that, they are all jonathan ¬¬
[21:47] <apachelogger> Quintasan: that is what you get for drinking tea
[21:47] <apachelogger> kubotu: order coffee for Quintasan
[21:47]  * kubotu slides coffee with milk down the bar to Quintasan.
[21:48] <Quintasan> thx
[21:48]  * Quintasan wonders how he should annoy the devels of Shaman
[21:48]  * apachelogger read devils
[21:48] <apachelogger> oh dear
[21:49] <apachelogger> "devils of shaman" could be a rock band or something though
[21:50] <milian> hm my kde 4.3 installation doesn't seem to find some shared libraries - yet it works very fine - strange. In .xsession-errors I have messages like these:
[21:50] <milian> Could not open library /usr/bin/kwalletmanager: Cannot load library /usr/lib/libkdeinit4_kwalletmanager.so: (/usr/lib/libkdeinit4_kwalletmanager.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory)
[21:50] <Quintasan> You'd better give me some good ideas cause KPackageKit sucks :<
[21:50] <milian> (after preparing to launch /usr/lib/libkdeinit4_kwalletmanager.so)
[21:50] <milian> is that known?
[21:50] <milian> nothing to care about?
[21:50] <milian> oh and I have the same msg for some knotify library
[21:52] <Riddell> milian: libkdeinit4 libraries aren't needed, it won't cause any problems if they're not there, but it is curious
[21:52] <ryanakca> apachelogger: dget http://packages.ryanak.ca/pool/main/libq/libqinfinity/libqinfinity_1.0b3-0ubuntu1.dsc ... same thing as the Debian one with version and maintainer mangling
[21:53] <milian> Riddell: and these paths really don't exist
[21:53] <MatratzenMatze> der logga
[21:53] <milian> so which package should contain the lib?
[21:53] <milian> kdeworkspace? kdebase?
[21:53]  * Quintasan wonders if kubotu supplies cookies
[21:54] <ryanakca> kubotu: order cookies for Quintasan
[21:54]  * kubotu slides a whole bunch of world's finest cookies down the bar to Quintasan.
[21:54] <Quintasan> om nom nom
[21:55] <Quintasan> :3
[21:56] <apachelogger> milian: that file doesn't appear to be existing
[21:56] <Riddell> milian: kwalletmanager package, but if they don't exist the question is why the app thinks they should
[21:56]  * apachelogger notes that apt-file ain't spitting out anything
[21:57] <apachelogger> uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[21:57] <apachelogger> uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[21:57] <apachelogger> ryanakca: kern approved that? Oo
[21:57] <milian> I also had something about libkinit_knotify4.so or similar
[21:57] <apachelogger> ryanakca: 1.0b3 > 1.0
[21:57] <apachelogger> ryanakca: 1.0~beta3 < 1.0
[21:57] <milian> so should I dig deeper? or is this a packaging error?
[21:58] <milian> ot: hi apachelogger btw. will you be in Berlin for the LT next week?
[21:58] <apachelogger> nope
[21:58] <apachelogger> gotta work
[21:58] <ryanakca> apachelogger: *nod* http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html
[21:58] <milian> to bad :-/
[21:58] <apachelogger> yeah :(
[21:58] <apachelogger> ryanakca: that is quite a PITA
[21:59] <milian> who'll be wholing for amarok then? :P
[21:59] <apachelogger> ryanakca: get it out of new and talk to kern
[21:59] <milian> howling?
[21:59] <ryanakca> apachelogger: Will do
[21:59] <milian> narf - doing sounds wolfs do
[21:59]  * apachelogger wouldn't be howling anyway
[22:00] <milian> regarding that strange missing .so stuff - if you need input from my side, just say so
[22:00] <milian> gotta do something for university now...
[22:00] <milian> bye
[22:00]  * apachelogger notes that the knotify4.so doesn't exist either
[22:01] <apachelogger> neither in kde-nightly nor jaunty
[22:02] <apachelogger> milian: my guess is that it just runs some weird try-loading-all-sorts-of-libs
[22:02] <apachelogger> that way it is probably easier to add those later on if necessary
[22:02] <milian> strange :-/
[22:04] <EgS> Riddell: hey, just wanted to let you know, that you might want to forward my reply to the kubuntu devel list. my "reply to all" obviously bounced :)
[22:11] <apachelogger> shtylman_: btw, germans love you for ooo-kde4
[22:11] <apachelogger> well, mostly ;-)
[22:11] <shtylman_> apachelogger: :)
[22:12] <apachelogger> no promo for Kubuntu though :S
[22:12] <shtylman_> heh
[22:12] <apachelogger> shtylman_: next time you send a fancy mail, make sure you mention the K
[22:13] <apachelogger> _Groo_: you know, it woud be really awesome if you could recruit someone to work on bug triage ;-)
[22:14] <_Groo_> apachelogger: why so?
[22:14] <apachelogger> because there aint enough people working on it
[22:14] <neversfelde> There are really people that think that OOo KDE integration is a rebellion in the gnome project
[22:16] <shtylman_> apachelogger: will do :)
[22:16] <_Groo_> neversfelde: i miss kde4 integration in OOo ppa build.. native and gnome are awfull
[22:16] <shtylman_> _Groo_: soon :)
[22:16] <_Groo_> apachelogger: and how can i help bug triaging?
[22:16] <_Groo_> shtylman_: :)
[22:18] <apachelogger> _Groo_: I take it you don't know anyone to work on bug triage?
[22:19] <neversfelde> I think kdeedu build will  be finished not before next week
[22:19] <Quintasan> I'm free for a moment :3
[22:19] <apachelogger> at least it gets LZMA I hope :P
[22:19] <Quintasan> btw. apachelogger: thx for guide, very nice :P
[22:20] <apachelogger> told ya :P
[22:20] <Quintasan> that would give me three programming languages on "hello world" level :P
[22:21] <_Groo_> apachelogger: no i dont unfortunatelly..
[22:21] <apachelogger> Quintasan: it goes beyond hello world :P
[22:21] <apachelogger> _Groo_: oh well
[22:21] <apachelogger> _Groo_: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace
[22:21] <Quintasan> apachelogger: I hope :P
[22:21] <apachelogger> Quintasan: diggs pretty deep actually
[22:21] <apachelogger> classes and stuff
[22:22] <apachelogger> _Groo_: basically you just change the name at the end to get to another package... that is how I go around
[22:22] <apachelogger> then for example you go to teh last page of the bug reports and start reading the reports
[22:23] <apachelogger> then you either mark it incomplete and request information or set status and importance according to what you think is best
[22:23] <apachelogger> mostly it will be an information request though
[22:24] <apachelogger> if the report is really good (like it explains what is happening and when and on what version of KDE and Kubuntu...) you try to reproduce it and if you successed in that you you do the satuts and importance setting
[22:24] <apachelogger> also, unless the bug is caused by Kubuntu (e.g. a patch, which is hard to know, or a packaging bug) it will need to go to bugs.kde.org as well
[22:25] <apachelogger> ultimately you file it there right away, using a sensible description + add the URL to the launchpad bug
[22:25] <apachelogger> then in the launchpad bug you click "also affects project" and enter the URL of the bug on bugs.kde.org
[22:25] <apachelogger> that way we get status information of the KDE bug
[22:26] <apachelogger> you can also do a more refined search on a package
[22:26] <apachelogger> for example I usually go around and don't file bugs at bugs.kde.org right away but just markt hem as affecting the product (you would search for that with "needs upstream filing" or something like that  ;-))
[22:27] <apachelogger> _Groo_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage
[22:27] <apachelogger> if you need help feel free to ask in here or poke JontheEchidna
[22:28] <_Groo_> apachelogger: yes, i read it already, unfortunatelly i dont have so much time left.. i can do packages and stuff, since i mostly do it on weekends and days like today that are slow at work and im in the posession of the 3g modem, eheheh, but usually i dont have that much time, BUT ill try to see if i can shave of a few bugs nonetheless
[22:29] <apachelogger> _Groo_: mostly bug triage does not requiring a lot of time
[22:29] <apachelogger> I can tell, I don't have that much time either :P
[22:30] <_Groo_> apachelogger: ill look up to it then...
[22:30] <_Groo_> apachelogger: but i want some coffee also.. no sugar.. and some vodka
[22:35] <_Groo_> kubotu: order coffee for _Groo_
[22:35]  * kubotu slides coffee with milk down the bar to _Groo_.
[22:35] <_Groo_> kubotu: order coffee without sugar for _Groo_
[22:35]  * kubotu slides coffee without sugar down the bar to _Groo_
[22:36] <_Groo_> kubotu: order some Whisky and some vodka shots for _Groo_
[22:36]  * kubotu slides some whisky and some vodka shots down the bar to _Groo_
[22:36]  * _Groo_ hic
[22:37] <apachelogger> only senior devs are allowed to drink :P
[22:37] <apachelogger> Riddell: when can one call himself senior dev anyway?
[22:42]  * _Groo_ is a senior dev
[22:42] <apachelogger> dood, you have no coypright file in your liblastfm package :P
[22:43] <_Groo_> apachelogger: that liblastfm package was a DRAFT! since the genius who did the make system mixed two ways of doing things, i just worried about getting the proper files in the prper places :)
[22:43] <_Groo_> apachelogger: and i just want to learn with the best, so i advirtised here..
[22:43] <apachelogger> clearly copyright was not proper enough :P
[22:43] <_Groo_> since the bests dont want me around eheheheh
[22:43] <apachelogger> lol
[22:44] <apachelogger> _Groo_: go fix your package :P
[22:44] <apachelogger> I need it for amarok-nightly
[22:44] <apachelogger> otherwise Nightrose might beat me up
[22:44] <Quintasan> kubotu: order a coffe for Quintasan
[22:44]  * kubotu slides a coffe down the bar to Quintasan
[22:44] <apachelogger> and you really don't want thtat
[22:44] <Quintasan> I shouldn't learn at night, I don't remember it when I get up :S
[22:44] <Nightrose> nah apachelogger - i'll just cuddle you really really hard
[22:44] <Nightrose> :D
[22:45] <_Groo_> apachelogger: lol she beat me up for advertising that same package to some guy in #amarok
[22:45]  * _Groo_ runs.. nightrose is here!!!
[22:45] <Quintasan> She just mentioned you shouldnt do it :P
[22:45] <apachelogger> _Groo_: because it is missing a copyright ifle :P
[22:46] <apachelogger> Nightrose: uh, ze cuddles, though I'd like to be cuddled by hydrogen again
[22:46] <Quintasan> apachelogger: kthx for guide but I'm not getting everything right this late :P
[22:46] <Nightrose> _Groo_: that some guy was a kde hacker ;-)
[22:46] <Nightrose> apachelogger: i'll let him know
[22:46] <Nightrose> :D
[22:46] <apachelogger> Quintasan: no rushy with he ruby :P
[22:47] <apachelogger> Nightrose: thank you
[22:47] <apachelogger> I miss him :|
[22:47] <_Groo_> Nightrose: oO no please
[22:47]  * _Groo_ hopes its not aseigo.. no.. please.. not.. aseigo..
[22:47] <Quintasan> apachelogger: seems to me like basic things are same in most programming languages, except the contants in Ruby :P
[22:47] <_Groo_> apachelogger: gonna fix it asap.. probably tonight..
[22:48] <_Groo_> oh btw... ridell told me liblastfm.so should be in dev.. but i disagree since its the main lib.. should reamin in liblastfm0
[22:48] <_Groo_> remain
[22:48] <_Groo_> or liblastfm.so is only used in compile time?
[22:48] <apachelogger> Quintasan: well, there isnt much you can do different ;-)
[22:49] <apachelogger> _Groo_: .so is a link to .so.0, which is a link to .so.0.0.0
[22:49] <apachelogger> applications only link to the latter 2
[22:49] <Quintasan> lol
[22:50] <apachelogger> so, yes, the .so is only used for building
[22:50] <apachelogger> kdeaccessibility is in a pretty bad shape if I may say so
[22:51] <Sput> Riddell: plz2forward my mail as well :)
[22:51] <apachelogger> harder, better, faster, stronger!
[22:51] <_Groo_> i was confusing /usr/lib/liblastfm.so.0.3.0 with liblastfm.so symbolic link.. he is right
[22:52] <_Groo_> aseigo aseigo aseigo...
[22:52] <Quintasan> good night everone
[22:52] <_Groo_> where is he? this used to work..
[22:52]  * Quintasan is going to bed
[22:52] <_Groo_> night Quintasan
[22:52] <apachelogger> nini Quintasan
[22:53] <_Groo_> Nightrose: and btw me right :) liblastfm IS broken in 2.2
[22:53]  * _Groo_ dances around the office chairs again..
[22:53]  * _Groo_ coworkers are used to groo by now
[22:53] <Nightrose> that's why we warned everyone that trunk will be broken for a few days
[22:54] <Nightrose> things not working are to be expected ;-)
[22:55] <apachelogger> excuses, nothing but excuses
[22:55] <_Groo_> Nightrose: thats not the point.. everyone is saying im wrong because now last.fm only allows streaming to subcribers.. they had the NERVE ;) to close my bug (i reopened it :D)...
[22:55] <apachelogger> reopen ftw!
[22:56] <_Groo_> Nightrose: but i proved them ALL wrong... if i use 2.1 i get streaming just fine. only using liblastfm amarok doesnt stream
[22:58] <apachelogger> kdeaccessibility is all triaged
[22:58] <apachelogger> _Groo_: you are like weird today :P
[23:02] <_Groo_> apachelogger: why is that?
[23:02] <apachelogger> just a feeling I have
[23:03] <apachelogger> bug 379485
[23:03] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: ^
[23:04] <apachelogger> Sput, EgS: you could fwd to me and I can fwd to kubuntu-devel ;-)
[23:11] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: kk, easy fix
[23:12] <JontheEchidna> though I did that for 0ubuntu2, wonder how it got lost :/
[23:12] <JontheEchidna> 4.2.85-0ubuntu2 that is
[23:15] <JontheEchidna> oh, fail:
[23:15] <JontheEchidna> -Replaces: kdemultimedia-kio-plugins-kde4, kscd (<< 4:4.1.80)
[23:15] <JontheEchidna> +Replaces: kdemultimedia-kio-plugins-kde4, kscd (<< 4:4.1.85)
[23:15] <JontheEchidna> should have been 4.2.85
[23:17] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: could you please sponsor kdemultimedia and kde-style-qtcurve from bzr?
[23:17] <apachelogger> I am drunk
[23:17] <apachelogger> I can sponsor anything
[23:18] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: kdemm got just that change?
[23:18] <vorian> yay for drunk apachelogger
[23:18]  * vorian just gets in from works
[23:18] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: the change I pasted was from a previous upload (and was incorrect) but yeah, just bump the replaces version
[23:19] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: no need to upload right away then
[23:19] <apachelogger> yo vorian
[23:20] <vorian> why is it that our meetings are always when I'm working :P
[23:20] <apachelogger> why the heck does kdelibs5-dev depend on cmake nowadays?
[23:20] <vorian> hmm
[23:20] <apachelogger> vorian: so you can't become council member?
[23:22] <vorian> I can't remeber the last time I made one - maybe i can drop in on my phone :)
[23:22] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: what do you think about bug 381834
[23:24] <JontheEchidna> I agree
[23:24] <apachelogger> hm
[23:24] <apachelogger> I am not sure
[23:24] <apachelogger> it really only affects the tray icon
[23:24] <apachelogger> there is no whatsoever function assigned to the master in the actual GUI
[23:25] <apachelogger> what if you turn off the tray icon completely?
[23:26] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: standards of qtcurve is out-of-date
[23:26] <apachelogger> I hope you testbuilt? :P
[23:26] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: I heard that we shouldn't bump standards ver unless debian does
[23:26] <JontheEchidna> and yes, I testbuit
[23:27] <apachelogger> well
[23:27] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: that package was last merge, when?
[23:27] <JontheEchidna> back in the kde3 days
[23:27] <JontheEchidna> ...or never
[23:27] <apachelogger> more like that :P
[23:28] <JontheEchidna> oh, that's because it started as kde4-
[23:28] <apachelogger> poor package
[23:29] <JontheEchidna> debian still has kde3 in their kde-style-qtcurve package
[23:29] <apachelogger> uploaded and pushed
[23:29] <JontheEchidna> thx
[23:30] <JontheEchidna> I'll make a gtk2-engines-qtcurve branch now
[23:30] <apachelogger> I aint gonna sponsor gtk :P
[23:30] <apachelogger> well, maybe, once that bottle of vodka is empty
[23:31] <_Groo_> apachelogger: whats that sponsor stuff you guys always talk about?
[23:31] <apachelogger> _Groo_: JontheEchidna is no core-developer so he can't uploaed to main/restricted, so he needs a sponsor, i.e. a dood who is core-developer
[23:32] <_Groo_> apachelogger: ah ok... noted
[23:32] <apachelogger> _Groo_: you are not any sort of ubuntu developer yet, so you can't upload to any repository, meaning you need a sponsor who is either MOTU if you have a change for universe/multiverse, or a core-dev for maint/restricted
[23:33] <_Groo_> apachelogger: noted... again...
[23:36] <_Groo_> apachelogger: btw the copyright file you talked about.. where do i get it and where should i put it?
[23:36] <_Groo_> apachelogger: also, i remake the package wih oficial 0.3.0
[23:36] <apachelogger> you create it and put it into debian/
[23:37] <_Groo_> apachelogger: where can i get a sample copyright ?
[23:37] <apachelogger> dh_make
[23:37] <_Groo_> apachelogger: ah ok, the standard stuff ok
[23:37] <_Groo_> apachelogger: sone be done till tomorrow
[23:37] <_Groo_> should
[23:38] <apachelogger> _Groo_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Complete#copyright
[23:38] <apachelogger> also see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Basic#Copyright
[23:39] <_Groo_> apachelogger: ok, noted, thanks
[23:41] <_Groo_> ho btw, who had the ho so briliant version name for libmysqlclient15-dev                      5.1.30really5.0.75-0ubuntu10.2
[23:41] <_Groo_> the really is so... exquisite
[23:43] <apachelogger> it could be worse really
[23:43] <apachelogger> like when it gets backported (to a ppa)
[23:43] <_Groo_> apachelogger: but if it is 5.0.75.. why called it 5.1.30? a rose with other name?
[23:44] <apachelogger> someone might have screwed up
[23:44] <apachelogger> and instead of introducing an epoch (which is generally nasty, especially if debian doesn't have one) they made it a really version
[23:44] <apachelogger> which is IMHO superior to epoching
[23:45] <_Groo_> apachelogger: epoching is a x:verrsion right?
[23:45] <vorian> it was named that way because of mysql 5.0 and 5.1 building problems
[23:45] <_Groo_> vorian: explain
[23:45] <vorian> well
[23:45] <apachelogger> _Groo_: yes
[23:45] <vorian> mysql 5.0 is in main
[23:46] <vorian> mysql is in universe
[23:46] <vorian> or was
[23:46] <vorian> so, packages that used 5.0 were pulling in 5.1, and causing a general ruckous
[23:46] <_Groo_> vorian: so when you add universe it would upgrade 5.0?
[23:47] <_Groo_> vorian: what about mysql5.0- and mysql5.1- instead of mysql-version?
[23:47] <vorian> it doesn't really work that way - we follow debians lead
[23:47] <_Groo_> vorian: im not bitching about ubuntu... i was just chating about why debians use that
[23:47] <vorian> mysql will move to 5.1 in the karmic cycle - but it's up to the server team to decide when and how
[23:49] <_Groo_> vorian: with -fpic enabled? (so it can be used in amarok?)