[01:00] huh, this is kind of cool [01:00] http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-kde-plasmoids/index.html?ca=drs- [01:24] kubuntu plug [05:52] claydoh: we realy should moderate Steven, he is going mad or what? [05:52] I will be away all day and back in the evening only... [09:33] sebas: re umlauts: never heard of Compose key? [09:34] Lure: that's actually standard on Dutch keyboard, and I hate that behaviour :) [09:34] sebas: really? " a - just sounds natural to me ;-) [09:35] sebas: I use it for slavic characters [09:35] čšž [09:35] I could never get used to it [09:35] sebas: I like it as it is useful for any special char and works everywhere (unless on Windows ;-)) [09:36] * Lure hates that VirtualBox does not have support for Compose key ;-) [09:36] sebas: but I agree with your first point - no way to hack w/o US keyboard ;-) [09:37] * Lure has always problems with ordering US english keaybords for laptops ;-) [09:37] :) [09:48] <\sh> sebas: much more easy...don't type umlauts...use ue ;) [09:50] \sh: yeah, and bastardize my own name [09:50] Amazin how much feedback I'm getting, I seem to have hit a topic everybody has an opinion about [10:04] <\sh> sebas: I do that always...because people from other countries don't pronounce "Stephan" correctly...so [10:05] <\sh> I'm mostly "Steven" or "Stephen" or "Steve" ;) === sebas_ is now known as sebas [10:51] Riddell: stupid question, but do you know when the kde ev meeting/voting thing is happening at gran canaria? [10:51] I am in the process of booking flights and wondered when I need to arrive [10:54] kwwii: I *think* the Tuesday [10:54] let me check though [10:54] sebas: hey man [10:54] hey dude :) [10:54] sebas: thanks...as long as I know it is not on the 3rd or such :) [10:54] It's Tuesday 7-7 [10:54] sebas: excellent, thanks for the info [10:55] sorry to bother [10:55] I wonder what happens on the Monday then? [10:55] nope, doing it in advance hasn't been good for attendance [10:55] akademy talks, Riddell :) [10:55] http://www.grancanariadesktopsummit.org/node/10 [10:55] http://www.grancanariadesktopsummit.org/node/115 [10:56] has the talks timetable been announced? [10:56] Not yet, it's not completely finalised [10:56] ok [10:56] or rather, it has been announced as part of the keynotes, but not specifically [11:18] <\sh> lucky people...and we need to waste our time in a new datacenter somewhere in FFM [12:18] \sh: hehe. want me to visit you one of these days? [12:27] Nightrose: do you know which kubuntu people are going to linuxtag? [12:27] Riddell: yea, one second [12:28] Riddell: monika krug, franziska tenzer, arthur schiwon and milian wolff and Czessi [12:28] and me [12:30] and me :) [12:30] \o/ [12:31] Nightrose: do you know is there's a separate stall or if it's part of KDE? [12:31] Riddell: shared booth for kde amarok and kubuntu [12:31] it's going to be cuddly [12:32] Nightrose: do you know if anyone has the kubuntu poster stand? [12:32] but they have a lot less booths this year so we have to take what we can get [12:32] and if anyone has CDs and stickers ordered? [12:32] no idea - Czessi would know i think [12:32] Czessi: ping ping [12:32] Riddell: are you going to LT? (And did I ask you already?) [12:33] (to which you answered [12:33] "no")? [12:33] sebas: I'm not [12:33] I knew that then :) [12:33] <\sh> Sput: hmmm...we are working during nights ;) [12:33] \sh: and are you doing at daytime? [12:33] *what [12:33] <\sh> Sput: sleeping? [12:33] \sh: that is effed up :) [12:34] so we need to drink a morning beer then? [12:34] Rock the night, sleep all day! [12:35] <\sh> Sput: hehe...this evening we are driving to duesseldorf..then we disassemble some servers from our racks there..then back to ffm...and tomorrow afternoon two other colleagues are assembling the servers, and I'm going back to duesseldorf...then back to ffm..and for the rest of the week nightshifts in FFM [12:35] hmm ok, sounds like meeting each other won't be too easy then :/ [12:36] btw, what happened to that party? [12:36] <\sh> Sput: sadly yes... [12:36] I won't be around from the 24th of june until late july [12:36] Sput: you're going to akademy btw? [12:36] sebas: sadly not [12:36] <\sh> Sput: planning already begun ... people from all over germany will be invited..so it will be late july or beginning/mid august [12:36] nor Linuxtag [12:36] dude! [12:36] sebas: I'm in Australia during that time :/ [12:36] whoah, life caught up with you or something? [12:37] Well, AUS doesn't sound bad as alternative [12:37] work pays a trip to Australia, I couldn't resist :) [12:37] the conference is right during akademy [12:37] and the vacation we do before the conference is right during linuxtag [12:37] bad timing, but meh [12:37] * \sh tries to attend froscon this year...but not being sure about that, because of kid wife and work [12:37] wife? [12:37] what did I miss? [12:38] <\sh> Sput: nothing...I just call her wife :) [12:38] anyway, I am going to be at froscon if nothing really bad happens [12:38] <\sh> Sput: when it's time for marriage believe me you need to be there :) [12:38] \sh: I hope so :> [12:38] I probably won't, didn't send in a talk and it might be one of the sacrifices of a full-time job [12:38] sebas: meh :) [12:39] <\sh> and I wonder if I should invite sebas to be the man who operate the tap for the beer [12:39] work-work sent me to UDS and Akademy already, so I can't really complain [12:39] and now that the KDE offices moved to Berlin, there probably won't be another easy opportunity to meet up soon :/ [12:39] \sh: I sure have some qualification :) [12:39] We've not moved yet. :P [12:39] "KDE offices moved to Berlin" huh? [12:39] It's not even decided conclusively [12:39] <\sh> sebas: yeah...the koelsch last time in St. Augustin was well served ;) [12:39] sebas: yeah, but I'm busy this week and away starting next week :( [12:40] sebas: I thought claudia was moving away though [12:40] even then it won't :P [12:40] She did, she's commutting right now, and we're looking into moving [12:40] But GCDS is much more important right now [12:40] right [12:42] * Sput goes back to torturing students [12:50] regardind LT: sadly I wont have much time that week and wont be there so often :-/ [13:59] is the next meeting tomorrow night? [14:01] seele: yes I think so [14:01] next on my todo list is announcing that [14:03] hehe ok [14:03] 23:00 do? [14:03] UTC? [14:03] yes [14:03] is that the most popular time? [14:04] as good as any other I think, and I'm about before then [14:04] I'm not about before then === Pici` is now known as Pici [14:19] ryanakca: ping [14:19] I've looked everywhere for the image... I can't seem to find it... [14:29] http://www.opera.com/freedom/ [14:29] Riddell: and if they go opensource ? :) [14:30] I hope it'll be what I'm thinking about... [14:44] Tonio_: I'll believe it when I see it [14:54] ryanakca: I'll ty and re-create it now... [15:08] Hi, if I'm running Ubuntu, which package should I install to get Kubuntu's System Settings GUI? [15:08] mpt: systemsettings [15:08] oh, "systemsettings" [15:08] silly me [15:08] thanks Riddell [15:14] mpt: still working on control center? [15:14] mpt: have you had any more contact with the sun people regarding their work? [15:14] seele, no and no, sorry [15:15] ah, too bad. they were doing some interesting stuff and systemsettings/controlcenter really do need some work [15:15] Actually working on trying to get Ubuntu's language/region settings up to about 25% of Kubuntu's sophistication :-) [15:16] hehe [15:16] sounds like fun === ejat is now known as e-jat === Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Meeting Tuesday 16th at 23:00UTC | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | Alpha 2 is OUT! [15:25] nixternal: has the calendar disappeared from the firdge? [15:28] Riddell: Hi, I've the Kubuntu stand poster and a lot of other posters. we have some stickers and we ordered cds via juliux from ubuntu-de. monika and blizzz has an interview with radiotux about kubuntu-de on saturday [15:30] Czessi: excellent! [15:31] Czessi: do you know how many CDs you'll get? [15:31] Riddell: here you can see the other posters: http://www.czessi.de/de/images/cimg0316-jpg [15:32] Czessi: wow, who made them? [15:35] Riddell: i don't know how many CDs we will resieved. i think we have orderen around 2000. when we become 1000 i think it's ok [15:35] that's a decent amount [15:39] Riddell: but more than last year. last year they send us only 200 or 300 cds [15:44] for the posters we build a pdf and printed it at a college [15:46] Czessi: after linuxtag I'd like the poster stand to go to Gran Canaria, I'm asking the KDE admin if she can sort that out [15:50] Riddell: i think gran canaria is in july. it would we good, when i can put the poster stand in the kde booth box and after gran canaria the poster stand can arrived me back via the kde booth box at froscon in august. [15:51] that would be good yes [15:53] Czessi: seems like the booth box isn't going to Gran Canaria, can I send you a postal address to ship it to? [15:56] Riddell: yes, no problem. is it possible that you send me them back after gran canaria? we have need it for froscon (August) and other exhibitions like "Linux-Info-Tag Dresden" in this year [15:56] Czessi: yep, I'll take it back or find someone in .de who can do so [15:58] Riddell: great :-) [16:01] Czessi: e-mailed you the postal address [16:02] seaLne: talking about Kubuntu posters, do you have any of the canvas ones from previous akademys? [16:02] not sure what happened with them after last year? did they not end up with kubuntu-de? [16:04] Riddell: yes, i've recieved the mail [16:08] Sput: is there a Quassel mailing list? [16:09] Riddell: no, though I really should set one up :) [16:10] Sput: we have a list of features that Kubuntu people would like to see done in Quassel, where is a good place to send it? [16:10] Riddell: devel at quassel-irc.org [16:10] Sput: where does that end up? [16:11] basically, EgS and I get it :) [16:11] :) [16:18] Tonio_: did you send kubuntu_01_google_lucky.diff upstream? [16:19] Tonio_: I have 0.7.1 installed but typing into the address bar doesn't give me feeling lucky [16:20] probably build system doesn't have patching enabled, or maybe debian/patches/series is missing [16:21] hey there, just a question here [16:21] I'm using the experimental PPAs [16:22] and for some reason when I rebooted today the plasma-desktop-appletsrc file is not loading correctly and I get a gray desktop with no interaction possible [16:22] panels work [16:22] but the desktop doesn't [16:22] do you have any idea which entry in the plasma-desktop-appletsrc file could be causing the problem? [16:23] was anything like this reported? [16:24] WanderingKnight: I don't know but possibly the wallpaper plasmoid isn't loading for some reason? [16:24] what happens if you right click and change that? [16:25] nothing, it's like plasma is not taking ownership of the desktop [16:25] WanderingKnight: you don't have third party plasmoids? [16:25] nope [16:26] I actually had no plasmoids on my desktop other than the panels [16:26] came accross that with a user the other night, he had installed plasmoids from another PPA [16:26] if I rename the config file everything comes back to normal with the default values [16:26] hmm [16:26] the only PPA I have is kubuntu-experimental [16:28] ok, then it's a different issue === dpm_ is now known as dpm [16:36] Riddell: arora's patch doesn't work atm... the packaging is good, but it won't work as it did during the uds [16:36] Riddell: I have to check this out [16:36] Riddell: so I didn't send the patch upstream, of course :) [16:39] Riddell: the patch didn't change though... that's a bit strange... [16:39] Riddell: atm I'mm stuck with cmake issues and kpackagekit.... [16:40] * Tonio_ is a bit bored with cmake errors those days... [16:40] uh oh [16:40] let me know if you need some help [16:40] Riddell: hum I used to pig you about that but you were not there... [16:45] Hi, i have a problem with QtCreator: he can't find my qt version, where is it located? [16:45] I've been away for a few days [16:45] levu: I've no idea, depends on where it's looking [16:46] Riddell: do you have it installed? [16:46] no [16:46] hmm, does anyone has a working version of qt creator? [16:47] Tonio_ is the last uploader of qt creator [16:49] no he's not, lex is, he's not around just now [16:49] Riddell: hmm... maybe i'll search a little bit with google or so... [16:50] levu: danimo may know (he's on irc but not this channel) [16:50] Riddell: thx [16:50] infact I see there's a #qt-creator channel who might know [16:50] yes, i saw it also :) === nielsslot_ is now known as nielsslot [17:43] Riddell: ya, it does look the calendar is missing from the fridge [17:58] shtylman_: how did openoffice-kde progress while I've been away? you were promising packages just before I left [18:01] Riddell: apport: pykde - complete, hooks - complete, Help->Report Bug - complete [18:02] pitti merged in my pykde changes yesterday so we should be seeing that soon, I uploaded the updated kubuntu_51 patch to bzr that contains the changes for Help->Report Bug if you want to look it over [18:02] that hasn't been tested, but it does at least build :) [18:05] nixternal: rock king [18:10] claydoh: are you around? [18:11] anybody successfully build and/or run kdepim on ms windows? [18:11] anybody successfully run ms windows? [18:11] ;p [18:12] hm [18:12] I do [18:12] Riddell: please pass quassel through NEW [18:12] have to sit on a pillow today, saddle sore is killing me...hard to concentrate [18:12] comes with major size decrease muahahahaha [18:13] nixternal: no, but having kmail would be nice. [18:13] I have my list of 20 bugs to knock out, don't know how easy this will be now [18:13] first day at work, stuck on task #1: set up mail client [18:13] lol [18:13] yuriy_work: what's work? [18:13] yuriy_work: I take it isn't an Exchange mail service [18:13] yuriy_work: they won't let you run Linux? [18:13] apachelogger: done [18:13] silly corporates [18:14] Riddell: thx [18:14] Riddell: these guys: ptcusa.com [18:14] nixternal: nope not Exchange [18:14] lucky you [18:14] yuriy_work: I suspect kdepim is still a work in progress on windows, kdab are working on it though [18:14] nixternal: I can run linux but I also need visual studio. so for now it's XP + linux in VM (which I haven't installed yet) maybe later I'll swap [18:15] nice, I like what they tested their site with, Konqueror 4.1.3 :) [18:16] hrmm, I know I have heard of Pyramid, just can't think why [18:17] daft punk => alive 2007 => pyramid => <3 pyramid [18:17] yuriy_work: you should swap now :P [18:17] probably a bit time saver [18:17] big even [18:18] S100 - that's why I have heard of Pyramid...we used it with Allen Bradley PLCs [18:20] 4 hours of use: 42% file fragmentation [18:20] hahhahaha [18:21] also >20GB used with no user data [18:22] must be vista [18:24] 25GB even. XP, with visual studio 2005 + 2008, KDE 4.2.3, OO.o, and one other multiple CD piece of software [18:24] hm, are there printer setup problems in 4.2.90? [18:25] no way to start the printer setup tool, and it is not in systemsettings anymore [18:25] yeah that needs looked at [18:26] ouch, and how do I print in the mean time, cups setup I guess? [18:26] Mamarok: yeah localhost:631 should do it [18:27] yuriy_work: ewww [18:27] so [18:27] people [18:27] what do you want me to work on today? [18:28] hmm which bullet. ext3 w/ ext2ifs driver in win or ntfs w/ ntfs-3g [18:28] I will probably reach ballmer peak in about 2 hours, so better give me directions now, before I go insane or something [18:28] Riddell: I got held up by the install process...but that has been cleared up (got help from some other go-oo people) and now I am putting some finishing touches on the fpicker...others have compiled with my new kde4 stuff and reported success with the widget drawing side of things :) [18:31] Mamarok: for a minute. leaving for work soon [18:31] neversfelde: ping [18:31] apachelogger: pong [18:31] claydoh: this Luis chap has disappeared from the mailing list... [18:32] neversfelde: wanna beat up bug 66362 [18:32] Launchpad bug 66362 in kdeedu "Equation Solver not enabled in Kalzium" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/66362 [18:32] apachelogger: I am writing exams till next week, so I am technically not here :) [18:32] claydoh: so no wonder he is not posting anmore [18:32] Mamarok: not sure if luis is muzzer or not [18:33] tha's who i thought it was [18:33] oh, you mean a fake setup by muzer to piss off Steven? [18:34] apachelogger: if it is not that urgent, I will have a look at it next week? [18:34] claydoh: any thoughts on what we do now? [18:34] neversfelde: well, not that urgent, it just needs to be kind of done for 9.10 :P [18:34] that darn bug is 300 years around [18:35] claydoh: I also got a PM from another user, did you get that too? [18:35] and I threw it at at least as many people, still it is not fixed :P [18:35] neversfelde: so, can I assing the bug to you? [18:35] steve directly named muzer (muzeerakascooby@gmail.com [18:35] apachelogger: yes [18:35] Mamarok: yes [18:36] ok, then I don't need to forward it [18:36] Riddell: I do want to create packagees...but only once I am satisfied :) [18:36] well, steven talks about Luis now in his posts, didn't warn him not to continue with his accusations? [18:36] shtylman_: cool, no rush, working code is the important thing [18:36] didn't we* [18:37] yes i did, but haven't caught up e=with everything [18:37] and i do neees to leave for work :( [18:38] claydoh: I will be around most of the time these days, I will watch this closely, but would like to have some input from you too :) [18:38] I will provide :) [18:39] thx :) [18:39] He does need to get help with his current problem, though. We'll see how he responds to the help offered [18:39] yes, let's hope he stops with his paranoia [18:40] * Riddell writes main inclusion reports for Arora, Choqok, kopete-facebook and qjson [18:43] Riddell: kopete-facebook is still on revu? [18:46] apachelogger: it's in the archive [18:47] let me remove it from revu [18:47] oh [18:47] nah [18:47] Riddell: tonio uploaded a new version it seems [18:48] or maybe not [18:48] I am getting confused :P [18:49] archived [18:51] * Riddell moves kaffeine to main and adds to seeds [18:53] I need someone with an audio cd [18:53] right now, right here [18:53] HALP! [18:54] apachelogger: I can dig one out [18:55] apachelogger: does neon build right now? (/me guesses not because of missing liblastfm) [18:55] can you have a look at that? [18:55] Riddell: ok... make sure "lame" is not installed, insert audio cd and go to audiocd:/ [18:55] i have a audio cd in return ;-) [18:55] no MP3 folder should be showing up [18:55] then install lame and reload the slave a couple of times [18:55] MP3 folder shoudl show up [18:56] Nightrose: there were no uploads since friday really [18:56] apachelogger: ok well it'll probably not build anyway [18:56] also the lastfm stuff should be optional really [18:57] it's just a matter of wrapping the web service and the applet into an if liblastfm, isn't it? [18:57] liblastfm is on revu [18:57] it has a curious build system [18:57] does indeed [18:57] Nightrose: mxcl should be using cmake :P [18:57] apachelogger: yes but it's an integral part of amarok that needs testing - so i'd rather have it added to neon if possible [18:58] apachelogger: told him already [18:58] Nightrose: well, yeah, I agree on the testing but still it should be optional to build :P [18:58] * apachelogger has a feeling that debian will rip the media services apart into seperate packages anyway :P [18:59] s/media/web [18:59] oh [18:59] Oo [18:59] Conflict discovered in '/home/apachelogger/neon/root/svn/amarok-nightly/src/Amarok.h'. [19:00] apachelogger: I confirm MP3 folder appears after I install lame [19:00] Riddell: ok, thx :) [19:00] * apachelogger closes bug reports [19:07] Riddell: did you get a chance to look at the ubiquity mockups...? the sidebar is the big idea I would like to try...I am also gonna make a new set of mockups using the 'air' plasma container style instead of that blur I have now... [19:13] I liked it, though IMHO it should go fullscreen if invoked as ubiquity-only-session [19:34] shtylman_: no where are they? [19:34] http://shtylman.com/stuff/kubuntu_installer/ [19:35] those are actual working widgets...with css styles applied [19:37] css styles++ [19:38] the suse installer looks really slick for the better part [19:39] shtylman_: bling! [19:40] shtylman_: this is running in ubiquity only session? [19:41] it would be yes...that is actually just a quick stand alone mockup I made... [19:41] but my plan is to do something similar in the non standalone session except without the blue background [19:41] shtylman_: no logo though, that breaks the branding for derivatives guidelines [19:41] think basically like a giant plasmoid container [19:42] shtylman_: also you need to be careful about accessibility when playing with widget colours, the final style should be run by the kde accessibility dudes [19:42] Riddell: gotcha...didn't know the policy on that...they can easily change the logo though with a simple css.. :) [19:43] k...hopefully the widget colors will match the rest of kde...that is the plan [19:43] just havn't put too much time into it yet [19:43] what do you think about the sidebar steps display? [19:43] shtylman_: top stuff I think [19:43] +1 [19:43] I like that type of installer because it is more clear about what is happening === rickspencer3 is now known as rickspencer3-afk [19:52] changing desktop in beta 2 puts a curious plasmoid on the screen, not sure how useful it is [19:53] what do you mean? [19:54] try it and see :) [19:55] what do you mean by changing desktop... [19:55] like multiple desktops? [19:55] yes, control-F2 [19:56] I get nothing :( [20:06] Nightrose: http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/Promotion [20:06] <_Groo_> hi apachelogger, all [20:07] evening _Groo_ [20:07] apachelogger: *lol* - i'll clean it up [20:07] thx [20:07] _Groo_: hullos [20:07] Nightrose: well, make sure you take up on that :P [20:07] we had some pretty funky ideas back in the days [20:08] you also had lots of time :D [20:08] it's not a matter of time, it is a matte rof how you use your resources :P [20:20] rgreening: Lovely, thanks === olujicz_ is now known as olujicz [20:30] Riddell: The KWin thing is probably due to this: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-default-settings/1:9.10.6 [20:31] JontheEchidna: kwin thing? [20:31] Riddell: plasmaish thing on desktop change [20:31] "enables desktop popup name on desktop swich" ah hah [20:32] well we'll see if what feedback we get [20:32] I'm also not quite sure I agree with the screen edge timeout being set to 0 [20:32] there was a timeout there for a purpose :/ [20:33] oh, this explains where amarok's splash screen went: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-default-settings/1:9.10.3 [20:33] what is htat? [20:33] the timeout was there to lower the chance of accidental activation of the screen edge actoins [20:34] tonio has been busy :) [20:34] splash screens are evil [20:34] I would like to note that without it, the launch feedback icon goes away before amarok is launched [20:34] so the first time around I thought it crashed or somethign [20:34] JontheEchidna: I don't think that's a good idea [20:34] "set electrib borders timeout to 0" [20:35] agreed [20:35] argue it at the meeting tomorrow? [20:35] or just revert the change in bzr and let him argue it :) [20:36] ;-) [20:36] I'll put defaults on the agenda at any rate [20:45] apachelogger: I do not know what it is for, but I can use this equation solver with kalzium on karmic. Seems to be an already solved bug? [20:45] possilby [20:46] buildlog will tell [20:46] also kdeedu depends on ocaml and libfacile-ocaml-dev [20:46] are they in main now? [20:46] yeah, it's in main now [20:46] ohhh [20:46] then it might be fixed indeed [20:48] neversfelde: looks fixed if JontheEchidna is right and they are both mained [20:48] which apprently is true [20:48] \o/ [20:50] hmm, meeting is veryy late [20:50] uh, yes [20:51] this is not late, it is early in the morning :) [20:51] is it? [20:51] oh, right [20:51] what is it in CEST? [20:51] now you mention it, it's +2 in Poland now [20:51] 1 am or not [20:51] 01:00 Friday :P [20:52] Quintasan: wed :P [20:52] ARGH [20:53] I seriously need to rest [20:53] @_@ [20:53]