[00:00] <IppatsuMan> !ask | nii
[00:01] <nii> i installed skype on my ubuntu box but when i try to make a call it says there is a prob with my sound
[00:11] <paco> wenas
[00:20] <nii> how do i register my nick
[00:20] <nii> ?
[00:20] <Dragnslcr> nii- /msg nickserv help
[00:22] <nii> what does "/msg nickserv help" mean
[00:23] <Shadoze> gives you help using that command
[00:25] <Shadoze> do you want to register your nickname?
[00:25] <nii> yes
[00:25] <Shadoze> nii: type: /msg nickserv register your_password your_email_address
[00:26] <Shadoze> don't worry your password or email will NOT be shown to anyone else
[00:28] <nii> aqugwsdqerqu
[00:41] <D1k3N> omeg?
[00:43] <nii> listchans
[00:44] <kaddi> Hi, I have about 20 gig of unallocated place that I would like to add to my ubuntu home partition. Can I do that with gparted?
[00:45] <Shadoze> via resize, yes
[00:46] <kaddi> I have to resize the home-partition? is there any risk for the other partitions to get corrupted or overwritten?
[00:46] <Shadoze> I;ve done it before, and not had problems
[00:46] <Shadoze> with grparted, that is
[00:47] <Shadoze> *parted
[00:48] <kaddi> hmm, the resize option is greyed out. But I started it with sudo privileges... what did I do wrong?
[00:48] <nii> ##linux
[00:52] <valgaav> kaddi:  maybe it's mouted ? :P
[00:52] <kaddi> valgaav... yeah figured that out all by myself as well... I won't even start asking how to unmount my home-partition and do that some other time with a live-cd ;)
[00:53] <kaddi> sometimes I ask before thinking ;)
[00:53] <xnox> are packages in kubuntu-backports 4.3 beta already?
[01:01] <D1k3N> fuck, i can`t access my gmail acount.
[01:01] <Shadoze> =-[
[01:03] <D1k3N> :(
[01:22] <ajavid> hello
[01:22] <ajavid> I can't seem to find a link for 8.04 lts iso
[01:23] <ajavid> also, is it possible to easily get 2.6.29 kernel into 8.04?
[01:24] <snax> download: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download
[01:24] <snax> there u can choose between 9.04 and 8.04 lts
[01:25] <snax> 2.6.29 is still not in 9.04
[01:25] <snax> why do u want a not-released kernel in a stable lts ubuntu version?
[01:26] <ajavid> are you serious?
[01:26] <ajavid> latest stable linux kernel is .30
[01:27] <ajavid> why would I want it ?
[01:27] <snax> yes, latest stable, but not for ubuntu ;)
[01:27] <ajavid> because it has support for ext4
[01:27] <ajavid> I need LTS + ext4 support
[01:30] <ajavid> anyway it doesn't matter
[01:31] <Dragnslcr> ajavid- Kubuntu 8.04 is not LTS
[01:32] <ajavid> why?
[01:33] <Dragnslcr> Because KDE 3.5 won't be supported by the KDE developers for the amount of time that Kubuntu would require, and KDE4 wasn't even close to ready yet
[01:34] <kaddi> good night everyone :)
[01:34] <ajavid> is 9.04 stable enough to use ?
[01:35] <xnox> ajavid: YES
[01:35] <Dragnslcr> It works fine for me
[01:35] <ajavid> does your kde4 crashing alot?
[01:36] <Dragnslcr> Your experience may be different, depending on your hardware and what software you want to install
[01:36] <davidjheinrich> does anyone here us GIMP?
[01:36] <Dragnslcr> I don't think I've had KDE crash in quite a while
[01:36] <snax> im using 9.04 with kde4.2 the system is stable, kde4.2 still have some bugs, especially dolphin crashes with a lot of files (400+ in a folder) and bluetooth.. but i still have ext3
[01:37] <fabio> hi my friends
[01:38] <snax> bluetooth only when i shut down bluetooth.. now i use konquerer as filebrowser and since i use konq.. no crashes
[01:41] <xnox> ajavid: My KDE 4.2 is very stable but I'm using 2.6.30 kernel and Xorg-edgers PPA.
[01:44] <TheJohn> bbl
[02:20] <zelhar> Hello, is there a problem with the screen display power saver, cause I can't get my screen to turn off automatically
[02:42] <myself> does anyone know if there is a .deb or repository anywhere for the latest release of Ktorrent ( 3.2.2 )
[02:43] <xp-killer> how do i do a video of my desktop?
[02:46] <xp-killer> how do i do a video of my desktop?
[02:52] <snax> u mean just simple replay a video-file ?
[02:53] <xp-killer> huh no like record the desktop
[02:53] <xp-killer> snax:
[02:53] <xp-killer> i want to do a video of my desktop
[02:54] <snax> hmm, i don't know
[03:00] <jjpies> whats up people
[03:11] <xp-killer> i want to do a video of my desktop
[03:11] <xp-killer> how can i record a video of my desktop?
[03:13] <D1k3N> tengo una konsulta
[03:14] <D1k3N> kiero krgar una sala de chat en firefox k utiliza flash pero no se krga bien. K sera?
[03:18] <josh_> hey
[03:18] <josh_> anybody available to help with sound problems?
[03:22] <D1k3N> yeah?
[03:28] <RainStorm> Hello guys, I wanted to install Kubuntu on Raid 0 Setup as dual boot with Vista 64 bit, I have read some stuff but it seems too hard for me but i wnat to do this really bad and get to learn linux is there a better/easier way to accomplish this?
[03:29] <Dragnslcr> RainStorm- if it's true hardware RAID, Kubuntu will see the array as a single drive
[03:29] <Dragnslcr> RainStorm- if it's software RAID, it's a little trickier
[03:29] <Dragnslcr> !raid
[03:30] <Dragnslcr> Look at the FakeRaidHowto
[03:32] <Dragnslcr> As for the dual-boot part, as long as you make sure you install Kubuntu after Windows, it should pretty much take care of itself (Kubuntu will detect the Windows installation and add it to the grub bootloader)
[03:33] <RainStorm> ok well..
[03:33] <RainStorm> I tried the boot cd
[03:34] <RainStorm> and i clicked on install.. it visually show me how my hd is divided, etc its all greyed out and only option it gives me is fresh install
[03:35] <Dragnslcr> Do you have space on the disk to create partitions for Kubuntu?
[03:36] <RainStorm> yeah
[03:36] <RainStorm> 981GB free
[03:36] <RainStorm> unless it want more :p
[03:39] <Dragnslcr> But is that already allocated to a partition?
[03:44] <wizardslovak> hello
[03:44] <wizardslovak> what plugin should i install to play WMP files?
[03:46] <wizardslovak> !restricted formats
[03:48] <wizardslovak> "unknown plugin (aplication/x-ms-wmp)"
[03:51] <D1k3N> mmm
[03:51] <D1k3N> did you try in google?
[03:53] <mikekap> why is there only 1 p in that application? typo i hope?
[03:53] <D1k3N> O.o
[03:53] <D1k3N> cya
[04:10] <Da[r]Th_Be{r}Tho> Wenas Noches
[04:10] <Da[r]Th_Be{r}Tho> join #Debian
[04:32] <sml1226> advantage to running 64-bit?
[04:46] <sml1226> Built in compositor? I can't run Compiz on my current machine
[04:49] <Dragnslcr> Yes, KDE4 does its own compositing
[04:57] <khamar> good localtime
[04:58] <khamar> very impressed with 4.2.90 (recent install)!
[05:09] <myself> does anyone know if there is a .deb or repository anywhere for the latest release of Ktorrent ( 3.2.2 )
[05:14] <xiaket> myself: you can just try 4.2.90, the ktorrent shipped with it is of version 3.2.2
[05:15] <myself> the ktorrent that i got was 3.2.1 and the one in the repository is 3.2.1
[05:15] <xiaket> myself: in my case i just switched to karmic
[05:15] <myself> hmmm
[05:31] <kabdotinfo> Is that right? Vanilla Kubuntu 9.04, KPackageKit can't search for programs, have to update it for it to work?
[05:36] <FeasibilityStudy> ? Kpackagekit can seach for packages
[05:37] <kabdotinfo> Live CD, start KPackageKit, doesn't find anything when searching. It does find software updates though.
[05:46] <halberd> when I click in most parts of a window it selects the window but doesn't raise it
[05:46] <halberd> I want it to be raised, but it looks like the options under window settings are already set to raise it
[05:46] <halberd> but it doesn't raise unless I click the menu bar or border
[05:47] <halberd> in fact not even the menu bar, just the border
[05:49] <halberd> how can this be fixed?
[05:49] <halberd> specifically under settings-window behavior, I have "click raise active window" checked
[05:50] <halberd> and in the window actions tab of that, I have that the left button is supposed to activate, raise, and pass click
[05:50] <halberd> in fact not only does it not raise the window it doesn't even pass focus
[05:50] <halberd> unless I click the border
[05:51] <halberd> also in the "focus" tab the policy is set to "click to focus"
[05:51] <halberd> what is causing this situation and how can it be fixed?
[06:26] <stiloso> join Linux_vs_Win
[06:26] <stiloso> exit
[06:26] <stiloso> quit
[07:10] <anr78> is the dual screen support in Jaunty any good? last time I tried I could not do a gui-config of my display layout
[07:16] <oscar__> salut a tout j'aimerais savoir comment je peut activer compiz fusion
[07:37] <drcode> hi all
[07:38] <drcode> can I connect kubuntu to ext. monitor?
[07:38] <drcode> I have gforce 6100
[07:41] <ActionParsnip> connect it
[07:41] <ActionParsnip> then run: kdesudo nvidia-settings
[07:41] <ActionParsnip> you will need to have setup nvidia drivers
[08:46] <adam> hi my kopete message input window is black and i have forgot how to change the colors
[08:48] <adam> can anyone help me
[08:48] <adam> oh and also, does anyone know how to fix a broken backlight
[08:49] <adam> i am using kubuntu 7.10
[08:52] <adam> does anyone know how to change text window colours?
[09:08] <adam> does anyone know how to change text window colours?
[09:09] <ideapad> heloo everyone
[09:09] <ideapad> i am a Chinese
[09:10] <ideapad> my english is so porly
[09:10] <ideapad> please forgevie me
[09:10] <adam> i think there is a chinese kubuntu chatroom
[09:10] <ideapad> really?
[09:11] <ideapad> where?
[09:19] <hateball> !cn
[09:19] <hateball> would have done the trick
[09:35]  * oscar__ is away: Gone away for now
[09:35] <adam> !7.10
[09:35]  * oscar__ is away: Gone away for now
[09:35]  * oscar__ is away: Gone away for now
[11:20] <amundsen> hi
[11:20] <amundsen> is it possible to change colors in kde4 panel ?
[11:27] <jado> i'm still trying to sync my clock could someone help me please ? i've tried sudo ntpdate-debian ntp.ubuntu.com but that tells me : "no server suitable for synchronization found"
[11:36] <makdaknife> jado: try `sudo ntpdate pool.ntp.org`
[11:36] <makdaknife> jado:  if that doesn't work, you may have a network issue... try ping pool.ntp.org
[11:37] <makdaknife> jado: if the ping succeeds... you possibly have a firewall problem...
[11:39] <jado> makdaknife: ntpdate does not work but ping does
[11:39] <jado> makdaknife: it may be coming from the fact that i'm in a university
[11:42] <makdaknife> hmmm possible... try `sudo ntpdate -u pool.ntp.org`
[11:42] <makdaknife> jado: never used that version of the command... but apparently it uses unprivileged ports
[11:44] <makdaknife> jado: alternatively your uni may have its own ntp service that you can query
[11:44] <jado> oh '-u' worked thanks
[11:45] <makdaknife> jado: cool... I learned something :-)
[11:46] <jado> me too :d
[12:17] <Vmkice> Hmm, has anyone tried to dual boot Kubuntu and Windows 7 yet?
[12:23] <Vmkice> Hmm, has anyone tried to dual boot Kubuntu and Windows 7 yet? I'm going to try to in a second...
[12:23] <Vmkice> As soon as I find my W7 install disk o_o
[12:24] <Vmkice> ugg I don't know who regged my name o_o
[12:32] <SolidLiq> !ping
[12:33] <shashun> df
[12:36] <vbgunz> I am getting a new hard drive. how can I reliably ghost, mirror or image my old hard drive onto the new one?
[12:37] <vbgunz> anyone know what the QtSql module is for Kubuntu?
[12:38] <oscar__> how can i get korvesation in french
[12:41] <KyleS> Its quiet,
[12:47] <KyleS> *installer error again*
[12:56] <vbgunz> anyone know what the PyQt4 python package has no module for QtSql?
[13:43] <lokai> Is there a way to get konsole to ask for confirmation before logging out of a session? I hit crtl+D accidently wayyy too often
[13:54] <adam> does anyone know how to run Anarchy Online under wine
[13:55] <Pici> adam: Your best bet would be to ask about it in #winehq
[13:55] <adam> thx
[14:09] <jado> hi, i have a problem with kate (and i've tried on #kate) : when i change the default indentation mode in the panel "Configure Kate", it doesn't change the indentation mode of the file that i've already opened, even though i reopen them
[14:09] <adam> hi im trying to access the funcom server and i am not familiar with irc, can anyone help
[14:11] <adam> no need
[14:13] <jado> (i just had to delete .kde/share/apps/kate/metainfos to make kate forget about the indentation mode of the previous files i've opened)
[14:18] <Dragnslcr> jado- I think the indentation mode only determines how to add space/tabs as you're writing. I don't think it goes back and adjusts existing text
[14:20] <jado> Dragnslcr: yes sure
[14:22] <jado> Dragnslcr: what i meant is that even though i change the default indentation mode (None/Normal/C), the indentation mode of the already opened file does not change "for the future" ; it stayed at None because Kate remember for each file you open the Indentation mode you used
[14:26] <defrysk>  /j #ubuntu+1
[14:26] <Dragnslcr> jado- I dunno. I just did a quick check, and with a new file, if I change the default indentation, it does change the mode selected in Tools -> Indentation. Maybe if you've changed the mode for the file in the past, changing the default doesn't change the file (which would make sense)
[14:27] <jado> Dragnslcr: you're right i don't know what happened
[14:29] <jado> Dragnslcr: yes maybe it come from the fact that one day i've changed the indentation width
[14:29] <jado> comes*
[14:33] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[14:38] <KAIN> hi everyone
[14:38] <KAIN> anyone help please ,i'm running squid2.7Stable3 on ubuntu server 9.04 with cisco vxr7200, i need to setup wccp v2 between squid box and rhe router
[14:42] <KAIN> anyone help please ,i'm running squid2.7Stable3 on ubuntu server 9.04 with cisco vxr7200, i need to setup wccp v2 between squid box and the router
[14:42] <genii> KAIN: You may want to enquire in #ubuntu-server
[14:43] <KAIN> thanks genii
[14:43] <KAIN> :)
[14:43] <KAIN> i will
[14:45] <usuario> buenas
[14:50] <oele2> how do you change power settings ?
[14:50] <oele2> I would like nothing to turn of if I close the lid of my laptop
[14:51] <babalu> system settings -> advanced -> power management
[14:52] <babalu> though i don't see a thing to change what happen when we close the laptop
[14:52] <oele2> babalu: I don't have power management in the "advanced" tab of system settings
[14:53] <babalu> oh actually i found it
[14:53] <babalu> what version of kde do you have ?
[14:54] <babalu> oele2:  ?
[14:54] <oele2> 4.1.4
[14:54] <oele2> (sorry had to start new app, system settings doesn't have a menu bar)
[14:55] <babalu> ok
[14:55] <babalu> i have kde 4.2 so maybe that's why you don't see power management
[14:58] <berot3> hi, i have problem with amarok in kubuntu. amarok apears for a sceond and than crashes... i dont really understand the errors, could some1 of u pls tell me whats wrong? this is
[14:59] <berot3> what the terminsal says: http://pastebin.com/f12404648
[14:59] <berot3> and this says kcrash:  http://pastebin.com/f5bbb5e17
[15:02] <Heliomance> If Amarok 2 can't find the lyrics to a song, how do you enter them manually?
[15:03] <berot3> cant u just add it like any other ID3-tag?
[15:03] <Heliomance> *blink* Why didn't I think of that?
[15:04] <berot3> :)
[15:06] <Heliomance> Incidentally, what database does it pull the lyrics from?
[15:08] <kubu> I have two sound card in my pc, one Mob & the other PCI; 'am trying to configure asoundconf to change the Pci sound card into default, but there is no response when i click "asoundconf list" any way i should try please...
[15:15] <TheGrammarFreak> What are the commands for starting and stopping the kde screensaver?
[15:16] <wangyuan> hello evreyone longtime no see,hiahia
[15:19] <wangyuan> hello
[15:20] <wangyuan> anybody here
[15:21] <TheGrammarFreak> My PC crashed. Does anyone know the commands for
[15:21] <TheGrammarFreak> Oops
[15:21] <genii> wangyuan: Yes. Do you have some support question?
[15:25] <berot3> genii: can u help me with my crashing amarok?
[15:25] <genii> berot3: I already looked at your error pastebin but I have no immediate ideas on your problem.
[15:26] <genii> berot3: Perhaps to file a big report at Launchpad
[15:26] <genii> *bug
[15:27] <berot3> genii: oh ok thx, i already googled for it... ill maybe google a bit more :p . yes ill post it to lp
[15:27] <tsimpson> there's also #amarok
[15:27] <genii> Ah, nice tip, forgot they had a channel.
[15:28] <berot3> aaah :) ill go there to thx
[15:36] <tzanger> good morning, does anyone know why the updates manager seems to default to remembering my password? I always hav eto uncheck "remember my credentials" ...
[15:47] <ese> I have two sound card in my pc, one Mob & the other PCI; 'am trying to configure asoundconf to change the Pci sound card into default, but there is no response when i click "asoundconf list" any way i should try please.
[15:49] <RickX> anyone know of anyplace besides kde-look to get kde4 styles?
[15:50] <Dragnslcr> tzanger- that seems to be the normal behavior. I'm not sure why
[15:52] <suman> hi....  i know this bug is known.... just wonder if it has been resolved....
[15:52] <suman> xorg is eating up all my memory in my jaunty loaded dell inspiron 1525
[15:52] <Shaan7> suman: all == how much ?
[15:53] <suman> actually it is the cpu , 91%
[15:53] <Shaan7> suman: check out system monitor and see which process is using what % of CPU
[15:54] <suman> memory  is around 5.9
[15:55] <suman> Xorg is using 41% of cpu
[15:55] <suman> and 165 M memory
[15:56] <suman> i just did a clean install yesterday. and it has been painfully slow at times
[15:57] <Shaan7> suman: thats strange
[15:58] <suman> Shaan7: I know it is to something with the graphics driver.... hoping someone has encountered this earlier and knows of a fix
[15:58] <Shaan7> suman: whats the graphic card you have ?
[15:58] <Dragnslcr> Probably the well-known issues with the Intel drivers
[15:58] <ahox> suman: The intel graphics card is kind of buggy in the new ubuntu
[15:58] <Dragnslcr> I'm sure the forums have plenty of discussion about it
[15:59] <suman> it is  Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller
[16:00] <suman> the forums did have a lot of discussions.. but no clear cut solution
[16:01] <Shaan7> suman: ok, lots of my friends have a 1520 but they have no problem, wonder whats wrong with 1525
[16:01] <genii> !intel
[16:01] <Shaan7> suman: and btw, thank god you don't have a inspiron 1545 (new inspiron model). it sucks
[16:01] <tzanger> yes, it also has a regression for volume control on some toshibas
[16:01] <suman> Shaan7: hmmm.. i am sure 1520 and 1525 have the same graphics card...
[16:02] <ahox> suman: That's because there is no clear-cut solution yet. You can downgrade your xorg etc, but this is rather annoying, too
[16:02] <ahox> I would recommend to just go with the old ubuntu for now
[16:03] <suman> is there an easy way to downgrade....
[16:03] <suman> i have already spent quite some time in upgrading and instaling my apps and configuring
[16:04] <ahox> suman: If you /home is on a seperate partition, its a breeze. Otherwise you have to backup your home first. Of course all the upgrades/installs will be lost
[16:05] <suman> i have everything in the same partition...  guess a lot of work ahead for me..
[16:06] <suman> but is the graphics card problem non existent in kubunto 8.X
[16:09] <ahox> suman: yes
[16:09] <ese> Hi, BluesKaj: about the configure with asoundconf to change the Pci sound card into a default, I tried "asound-set-default-card (soundcardname), but it tells to check "asoundconf list" first. but there is no response when run click "asoundconf list" any other ways i should try or is should do.
[16:11] <BluesKaj> ese, I beleive you need to install alsa-utils
[16:12] <ese> thanks for your response BluesKaj; but i did check with it and it is installed and being latest
[16:13] <ese> and with the BIOS setup, alone. It didn't work out.
[16:15] <BluesKaj> ese , have you checked in system settings/media since you changed the bios ?
[16:16] <BluesKaj> ese, also make sure you have libasound2 installed
[16:17] <ese> yes, libsound2 and libsound2-plugins are installed.
[16:18] <ese> also without the bious modification. Only the pulseAudio & HA Intel (AD198x Analog) are shown in system settings >multimedia.
[16:19] <BluesKaj> no pci souncard listed ? ...hmmm
[16:21] <BluesKaj> ese, did you list the pci card as first in the list or disable the onboard or both in the BIOS ? (depends on which BIOS you have)
[16:23] <ese> well, i disable the onboard only. and there was no asoundconfig list after loging
[16:23] <ese> but now without any change to the BIOS, the asoundconf list shows only "Intel"
[16:23] <BluesKaj> did the pci card show up in the bios ?
[16:24] <ese> On that thing i couldn't find that.
[16:25] <ese> But because i dual boot with winXP, the pci works with XP and not the onboard; but when i boot with kubuntu it happens the viseversa
[16:25] <kaddi> heya... I'm having trouble with FF on kubuntu should I ask here or on their support-channel?
[16:25] <TheGrammarFreak> Does anyone know the commands for starting and stopping the kde screensaver?
[16:25] <ese> and i am tired to change the output line everytime i change OS.
[16:27] <kaddi> anyhow here goes, if someone knows a solution I would be grateful: I've been using FF for a long time, but ever since 3.0.10 (and now 11) it won't shut down correctly. I can close it, but when I try to start it again, it'll tell me that FF is still running and needs to be closed. The only thing that seems to work is "killall firefox". I tried the FF safemode and a new profile fpr FF but the problem remains
[16:28] <TheGrammarFreak> FF did does that to me occasioanlly, I have no idea why. You might want to try their channel, I just left it for about 5 mins and it worked again
[16:30] <BluesKaj> kaddi , you may have a conflict , if your coming off flash heavy sites, then the plugins don't all quit
[16:31] <Dragnslcr> Yeah, sounds like it's just being slow at exiting
[16:31] <kaddi> BluesKaj: it never quits... even if I only opened http://start.ubuntu.com/9.04/ it will not close properly. It doesn't work in safe-mode either, which I thought meant that plugins and addons aren't loaded
[16:31] <Dragnslcr> I did finally figure out the problem with closing a tab that had Flash in it
[16:32] <kaddi> Dragnslcr what was the problem?
[16:32] <Dragnslcr> Amarok messing up the sound system
[16:33] <kaddi> good to know :)
[16:33] <Dragnslcr> I managed to figure out that the problem only happened after I had played something in Amarok, and exiting Amarok fixed it
[16:33] <Dragnslcr> Apparently it's already a known issue with the sound system
[16:35] <Mamarok> Dragnslcr: Amarok doesn't mess any sound system, it doesn't even handle sound itself!
[16:35] <Mamarok> that's Phonon doing it
[16:35] <Dragnslcr> Mamarok- yup, sounds about right
[16:35] <Mamarok> and flash is creating sound problems galore
[16:36] <Dragnslcr> Only sound problems? Wow, Flash is getting better, huh
[16:36] <kaddi> lol
[16:37] <Mamarok> the worst is pulseaudio, sick of debugging 50+ users with pulseaudio killing all sound in 9.04 :(
[16:37] <chrisss> hi
[16:37] <chrisss> i got a problem with amarok 2.1 on jaunty
[16:37] <chrisss> i get the following message when i start amarok: Error message was:  "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply" : " "Message did not receive a reply (timeout by message bus)" "
[16:38] <chrisss> however, i can start amarok from ANY other user account but mine (which is the super user-capable one)
[16:39] <kaddi> ok, when I switch between different profiles. The first time I close firefox it closes with a segmentation fault, afterwards it's not closing at all. This happens on both the new vierge profile and my usual customized one...
[16:39] <kaddi> is there an easy way to learn more about the segmentation fault?
[16:40] <Dragnslcr> Mamarok- does Ubuntu have any sound systems that aren't broken at this point?
[16:40] <johanvrt> oss4
[16:40] <Mamarok> Dragnslcr: well, in the Ubuntu base wouldn't force Pulseaudio on all of us we wouldn't have problems in KDE4 :(
[16:41] <Dragnslcr> Heh
[16:41] <Dragnslcr> What does KDE4 want to use by default, phonon?
[16:41] <johanvrt> i installed kubuntu and afaIk pulse audio was not part of it
[16:49] <superboy> help http://paste.ubuntu.com/196404/
[16:50] <TheGrammarFreak> How would I use the xscreensaver instead of the kde screensaver?
[16:51] <genii> superboy: "servo failure" would seem to hint at some hardware problem
[16:52] <superboy> what kind of hardware?
[16:54] <genii> superboy: cd/dvd likely
[16:54] <TheGrammarFreak> How would I use the xscreensaver instead of the kde screensaver?
[16:55] <genii> TheGrammarFreak: Maybe see http://www.jwz.org/xscreensaver/faq.html#kde      ..I haven't tried this yet myself however
[16:56] <jado> The following packages have been kept back:
[16:56] <jado>   kdeplasma-addons
[16:56] <jado> hi, i'm trying to upgrade to kde 4.3 (i think i succeeded) but i have this message when i do apt-get upgrade (or aptitude safe-upgrade)
[17:21] <apap> kalispera sas
[17:22] <apap> an mporouse na me voithouse kapoios se ena provlhma pou antipetopizo
[17:22] <apap> otan grafo sto termatiko thn entolh
[17:22] <apap> sudo apt-get update kathos fortonei kapoies selides
[17:22] <apap> sto telos m petaei to munhma
[17:23] <apap> Ανάγνωση Λιστών Πακέτων... Σφάλμα!
[17:23] <apap> E: Encountered a section with no Package: header
[17:23] <apap> E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/gr.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_jaunty_restricted_binary-i386_Packages
[17:23] <apap> E: Αδύνατο το άνοιγμα ή η ανάλυση των λιστών πακέτων ή του αρχείου κατάστασης.
[17:23] <FloodBotK2> apap: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[17:23] <FloodBotK1> apap: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[17:23] <apap> euxaristo
[17:28] <tsimpson> !gr | apap
[17:28] <apap> aaaa s euxaristo para polu
[17:44] <superboy_> help new error http://paste.ubuntu.com/196404/
[17:47] <eagles0513875> im having some issues with clam av and the klamav gui for kde. im trying to update the definitions and it is saying the process died unexpectedly did you manually kill it. i didnt touch any processes any ideas what i could be missing or as to why its crashing
[17:49] <genii> superboy_: Again. "14 BraseroGrowisofs stderr: :-[ WRITE@LBA=30b30h failed with SK=4h/TRACKING SERVO FAILURE]: Input/output error"   <-- tracking servo error. "servo" is the hardware piece on your drive which moves the read/write head around
[17:51] <eagles0513875> genii: any idea as to whats happening to me and clamav
[17:51] <jan___> hi all
[17:52] <eagles0513875> hi jan___
[17:52] <jan___> does anybody have a media server like jinzora or ampache running?
[17:53] <genii> eagles0513875: Not offhand, sorry
[17:53] <eagles0513875> its ok genii
[17:53] <jan___> i'm asking, because it has to import the media
[17:53] <jan___> from a local dir and then www-data needs read acces
[17:53] <jan___> this is unsecure, isnt it?
[17:56] <jan___> hmm?
[18:01] <eagles0513875> i would think it would also need execute rights
[18:01] <eagles0513875> im not sure you got me tempted to do that now jan
[18:03] <bigos> hello, i've got one problem - i can't get my kubuntu to connect to the wireless encrypted network. it does connect to the unencrypted ones with no problem, though. I am using this kde4 plasma widget thingie. Is that common problem, or do I need to be more specific?
[18:03] <jan___> :) yes i know it needs also +x rights
[18:04] <jan___> but isnt that unsecure to give www-data rights to all my data?
[18:04] <jan___> what if the apache gets cracked (bugs or what)
[18:06] <trappist> jan___: I don't make all my stuff owned by www-data - I just make sure www-data can *read* it, and add write permissions in the few places I need it
[18:07] <jan___> ok
[18:08] <jan___> so there is no chance to  break into my system?
[18:10] <Newbee_> hello everybody
[18:11] <Newbee_> I have a problem with okular and KDE 4.3 beta. Okular doesn't print pdfs correct anymore. It does move the page to print towards the left bottom corner and on the right side and the top it leaves free space#
[18:12] <Newbee_> I don't know how to fix that. It's pretty annoying because i have to print pdfs rather often and okular is my pdf-program.
[18:13] <Newbee_> It would be nice if somone of you could help me
[18:13] <Mamarok> Newbee_: it prints fine for me, maybe you should check your printer settings
[18:13] <trappist> jan___: there's no chance to break into your system if you take the networking hardware out of it, turn it off and bury it in the backyard.  other than that, there's really no such thing as a completely secure system.  but you can reduce the risk a lot by just being smart, like you're doing now by caring about file permissions.
[18:14] <Newbee_> Mamarok: I tried to print some web-page with konq and firefox. Both perfekt. But with two pdfs from different sources and okular I have the same problem.
[18:14] <Mamarok> Newbee_: did you try another PDF application?
[18:15] <Mamarok> !pdf
[18:15] <Newbee_> I don't have any installed. But pdfs form these sources worked great with the okular from KDe 4.2 and 4.1
[18:15] <Mamarok> hm, let me try if mine works...
[18:18] <Mamarok> Newbee_: ouch, same problem here, I think you hit a bug :(
[18:19] <Newbee_> Mamarok: what a shit. I would need a working okular. I think I should look, wheter it is already reported
[18:20] <Mamarok> Newbee_: install kpdf, that should work
[18:21] <Newbee_> Mamarok: I didn't even want to upgrade to KDE 4.3 but I missed to remove the sources after upgrading to KDE 4.2.2 . KDE 4.3 beta works fine, but this is annoying
[18:21] <Mamarok> Newbee_: and you are sure there is no 4 pages on one set in the printer settings?
[18:21]  * Mamarok checks her printer settings
[18:22] <jan___> trappist: yes i know there is no absolute security :) but the apache is an "active" web service, the only port that is forwarded by the router
[18:23] <jan___> trappist: so it's may be a higher risico giving some rights to www-data ?
[18:23] <trappist> jan___: right, so that gives you a place to focus your security efforts, and of course it's important to be your web service is as secure as possible - or at least as secure as reasonably practical
[18:24] <trappist> jan___: well yeah, if you expose a service to the internet you automatically have some risk.  in order to provide that service, the apache user (www-data, here) needs access to the content.  but it probably doesn't need write or execute access to most of the content.
[18:24] <Newbee_> Mamarok: I'm sorry, I cannot understand. What do you mean? ( I am not a native English speaker so I hope you can excuse my inability)
[18:25] <Mamarok> Newbee_: there is another tool you can use, it's called kpdf, you can install it with the package manager
[18:26] <shanipribadi> id like to ask, pressing middle mouse button in konqueror shows a prompt asking if i want to search for the text in selection. I accidentally checked the "do not ask again". Can i make it so that it asks me that question again?
[18:26] <Newbee_> Mamarok: i understood this statement. I meant your last post
[18:27] <danald> ive got a couple of problems with running videos on my machine.  can anyone help?
[18:27] <Mamarok> well, one can setup the printer to print 4 pages on one sheet, you should check all your printer settings
[18:28] <danald> wenever i try to stream anything on full screen it lags
[18:28] <danald> never had this problem before
[18:29] <shanipribadi> never mind, i found it in the konquerorrc
[18:30] <Mamarok> shanipribadi: you can change this in the settings I guess, did you check?
[18:30] <jan___> trappist: well it needs execute + read @ folders and read @ files
[18:31] <trappist> jan___: the x attribute on directories doesn't *really* mean execute, but yes, it will need that bit set on directories it needs read access to.
[18:32] <jan___> trappist: hehe yeah i know
[18:32] <shanipribadi> Mamarok: well i looked over the configuration, but i didnt find it. I look into Konquerorrc and theres an option MiddleClickSearch=false under [Notification Messages]. I guess that's what im looking at. Weird thing is googling for konqueror middleclicksearch only shows the source code. seems like theres no doc about it.
[18:33] <jan___> trappist: i'll make sure, that files are readable + folder +rx..  If www-data can't write, it will be able to read data anyway, and if in a website is a bug, anybody could read my data?
[18:33] <Mamarok> shanipribadi: well, we lack doc writers badly...
[18:37] <trappist> jan___: if apache or your site has a serious bug, especially an arbitrary code execution bug, then exploitation of that bug would let the attacker read that data, yes
[18:40] <jan___> trappist: the apache is always up to date, and few websites are hosted. I want to install jinzora. if these sites don't have bugs, the danger is "ok"? whats with sql injections, would it allow to acces the data?
[18:43] <chrisss> i can't start amarok from my user account. i can start it from any other account, though. apparently, dbus seems to die. any ideas why this is?
[18:44] <shanipribadi> Mamarok: is there anyway i can help to submit this behaviors to the doc?
[18:45] <trappist> jan___: keeping apache up to date is your first line of defense.  so, you're not likely to have problems with apache bugs.  a sql injection attack is (usually) a problem with the site, not the webserver, so if you're running insecure code you could have a problem, but not the same kind of problem.  for example an attacker could use a sql injection bug to insert a user entry for himself and give himself access to parts of the site you don't want him to
[18:45] <trappist> chrisss: I don't know the answer, but I do know you're not the first person to describe that exact same situation here.  you might check launchpad for reported bugs.
[18:47] <Mamarok> shanipribadi: you should get in contact with the devs, also you can have a look at that: http://docs.kde.org/
[18:47] <shanipribadi> Mamarok: ok thanks. ill look there.
[18:47] <Mamarok> shanipribadi: I think there is a konqueror channel too
[18:48] <kaddi> can I set highlights in konversation for only a certain channel? or are all highlights genereal?
[18:49] <Mamarok> kaddi: I don't know, you should have a look at the settings
[18:49] <Mamarok> kaddi: and usually it just highlights when you are addressed
[18:50] <kaddi> Mamarok: I did, but didn't see anyhting in that would allow such a config.
[18:51] <Mamarok> kaddi: I'm almost sure that it's not possible, as the point of highlighting is that you get notified about when someone talks to you
[18:51] <kaddi> Mamarok: yes I know, but I added some more names to be highlighted (eg my realname because I meet friends online as well), but this should not be highlighted here, as the name might be taken by someone else
[18:52] <Mamarok> kaddi: well, that's not possible then
[18:52] <Mamarok> that's the point of having unique user names in IRC :)
[18:52] <kaddi> Mamarok, thks... I'll remove the highlighting for now... and fill out a wish report :p
[18:52] <Mamarok> kaddi: unlikely this will be posible
[18:53] <kaddi> Mamarok: so you have the same nickname on every irc-server?
[18:53] <Mamarok> kaddi: I only use one :)
[18:53] <Mamarok> kaddi: there are already enough channels here :)
[18:54] <kaddi> Mamarok: I use several and would have liked to take the same nick everywhere... but it seems as if many people thought about getting my name before I did :p
[18:54] <eagles0513875> dont mean to interrupt
[18:54] <eagles0513875> kaddi: you can link them to this nick so that way when you identify your nick they wont be taken so they will be soley yours
[19:02] <igorma> hi
[19:02] <snarkfish> hi i need some help. Im trying to share a harddrive across the network so i can move some data over, but when i click configure sharing button in dolphin it does nothing
[19:03] <igorma> Has anybody tried to install J2me wtk and j2mepolish on kubuntu?
[19:07] <Mamarok> igorma: and what would that be?
[19:08] <igorma> it is a common wramework for development j2me applications. Just experience problems during building. Maybe some one knows some common bugs or something about it
[19:16] <Newbee_> Mamarok: I couldn't find a bug report for that issue.But I am not familiar with the KDE-bug tracker. Do you think it is better to report at KDE or at launchpad?
[19:17] <inSane>  can somebody help me? i have a problem with wicd (ubuntu 8.04)
[19:18] <tonton> bonsoirr
[19:19] <tonton> ya personne ke parle francaiss
[19:19] <tonton> ici
[19:19] <tonton> putinn
[19:19] <tonton> fils de putee
[19:19] <inSane> ?? am i in an french channel?
[19:21] <||arifaX> how can I change a comment I made on launchpad?
[19:21] <trappist> ||arifaX: I think you just have to add to it
[19:21] <||arifaX> trappist: so I can't change
[19:22] <trappist> ||arifaX: I had an issue like that too, talked to the launchpad people and everything, nothing could be done
[19:22] <Mamarok> Newbee_: I think you should report to Launchpad
[19:22] <tonton> speak frech
[19:22] <tonton> speak french
[19:23] <trappist> !fr | tonton
[19:23] <||arifaX> trappist: So I will correct my error with my next comment .. Hmm ok
[19:23] <tonton> ahh
[19:23] <tonton> merci
[19:23] <tonton> gentill
[19:23] <Newbee_> Mamarok: is there some special place to repprt bugs in a backport-PPA?
[19:23] <Mamarok> Newbee_: no, just specify the version and distro number
[19:24] <tonton> speak frechh
[19:24] <tonton> vous pouvait remetrte le truc pour info francais
[19:24] <tonton> svp
[19:24] <tonton> speak frech
[19:24] <Mamarok> !fr | tonton
[19:25] <Newbee_> ok, I'll do my best
[19:25] <Mamarok> tonton: et surveille ton language!
[19:25] <tonton> oui
[19:25] <tonton> dsl
[19:25] <tonton> jété énervéé
[19:25] <trappist> haha did that say watch your language
[19:25] <tonton> jarrive aps a trouver en francais
[19:25] <tonton> comment on fé pour le truc en francais svp
[19:26] <tonton> stpp
[19:26] <tonton> mamarok
[19:26] <Mamarok> tonton: anglais unimquement ici, vas voir le lien qu'ubottu t'a donné
[19:26] <tonton> ok
[19:26] <tonton> simer
[19:26] <tonton> bisous
[19:28] <tonton> le truc en francais svp
[19:28] <tonton> comment on
[19:28] <tonton> fé
[19:28] <tonton> pour le francaiss
[19:28] <tonton> svp
[19:28] <Mamarok> tonton: tu tappes /join #ubuntu-fr
[19:28] <tonton> mercii
[19:28] <tonton> mercii
[19:35] <suman> so....i have windows xp and kubuntu 9.04 installed as dual boot......
[19:35] <korneliorogelio> hello, i have an intel gma and i cant get desktops effects for all my users... is it possible?
[19:35] <suman> now i want to wipe out kubuntu 9.04 and install 8.04, what is the best way to do this?
[19:37] <suman> anyone??
[19:37] <Mamarok> suman: you need to remove it then, going back to a previous version that far back is not supported
[19:38] <suman> Mamarok: thanks.. how do i remove it???
[19:39] <skyrock> lequipe-de-skyrock-officiel@skyrock.com
[19:39] <skyrock> ladresse
[19:39] <skyrock> de skyrock
[19:39] <skyrock> sur messanger
[19:40] <korneliorogelio> how do i enable desktop effect in all my users?? i have an intel gma, can anyone help me?
[19:41] <KDesk> is possible to install in a chroot environment some apps like qt from trunk, and use the rest of the dependencies from the normal root / ?
[19:42] <Mamarok> KDesk: certainly, but this is more a question for #kde I would say
[19:43] <KDesk> Mamarok: I only did want to know if that was possible, thanks.
[19:51] <Salze> I (try to) run kde 4.3 beta, but kdeutils does not get installed, because of a missing dependency, namely kde-printer-applet. Is that normal?
[19:58] <adam> hi is there a linux internet brpwser eher u can change the colours like iin Internet Explorer
[20:00] <adam> because i am on a website which is navy and because of my backlight being broken, i cannot see such a dark colour
[20:02] <adam> fixed it
[20:05] <hajoli> Es geht..... :-)
[20:19] <declan> Hello I have a quick query. My panel is set to autohide but I cannot get it to come back up now. IS there a way to restart the panel or turn off autohide without right clicking on it? thanks
[20:24] <solid_liq> !ping
[20:30] <InforMed> Hi! Is there any work around to this bug? https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=193573
[20:37] <Dimitree> Guyse any idea why the DSL option in Network Manager is gray ? i was able to configure my connection with terminal and pppoeconf but any idea why it's not available in the Gui ?
[20:45] <Hydrant> hey all... do I need the 64-bit kubuntu for seeing > 4GB of memory?
[20:55] <oscar> hi my frend how can get  konversation in french
[20:56] <ActionParsnip> !fr
[21:24] <John_1_> bbl all
[21:46] <geronimo89> Hello. I've changed my konquerorrc file and set MMBOpensTab=true, but it is not opening tabs on middleclicks, what to do?
[21:48] <geronimo89> Maybe it's just ignoring my configfile, some options mentioned there don't work either, like the MouseMiddleClickClosesTab=true
[21:48] <Dimitree> How can i do a "Full update" for the "KDE 4.2.4 Updates for Kubuntu 9.04" release ? In software updates there are updates and many blocked ?
[21:51] <Dimitree> help please :)
[21:52] <Dimitree> oh well :/
[21:53] <bobleny> I need some help please! While trying to fix the sound issue with firefox, I pugered esound-common. Now the entire GUI is gone. I reinstalled esound-common from the command interface, but nothing has changed. What do I do? Where do I start?
[21:55] <bobleny> Is anyone even here?
[22:15] <Guest44205> #spotify
[22:18] <dhendu9411> hello all.  is anyone active in here right now?
[22:19] <bobenceto> what is problem
[22:20] <usherbohemian> !list
[22:20] <geronimo89> bobenceto: Konqueror is ignoring my konquerorrc file
[22:21] <dhendu9411> well i loaded songbird and it put an icon in the system tray.  I am use to amarok that will minimize it when clicking the "X".  Songbird doesn't seem to have this so I right clicked on the icon in the system tray for it and selected hide, now my how taskbar is gone.  How can I unhide it?
[22:21] <dhendu9411> Oddly enough, the icon that appeared for songbird was the little cashew icon in the upper right-hand corner of the screen.
[22:22] <bobenceto> what desktop environment do u use?
[22:22] <dhendu9411> kde 4.1
[22:22] <bobenceto> whole taskbar is missing?
[22:22] <dhendu9411> kde 4.2 excuse me
[22:22] <dhendu9411> yup
[22:23] <bobenceto> after u log out, is it still same?
[22:23] <geronimo89> dhendu9411: try to run plasma (alt+f2 plasma enter)
[22:23] <dhendu9411> haven't tried that as I have several windows open and wanted to see if I could fix it without logging out and then back in.  At this point, I can't click the Kicker, so I will have to do a restart from the command line.
[22:24] <dhendu9411> I don't think its a plasma issue since everything else is working just fine
[22:24] <bobenceto> try restart
[22:24] <bobenceto> songbird is java
[22:24] <bobenceto> i had problems with java apps
[22:24] <bobenceto> and systray
[22:24] <bobenceto> and kde
[22:24] <FloodBotK2> bobenceto: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[22:25] <dhendu9411> ok I will brb
[22:25] <bobenceto> i was using JDownloader, and some times systray was in some weird mode
[22:25] <bobenceto> are there any window borders?
[22:29] <bobenceto> @geronimo89 how is that?
[22:29] <bobenceto> did u change  permission maybe?
[22:30] <home> .
[22:31] <ingi> can any body help me I'm trying to use kopete but i cant find out how to use the webcam ?????
[22:31] <ingi> pm plz
[22:33] <dhendu9411> rebooting worked.  It is starting to become like windows!  lol
[22:33] <dhendu9411> thanks guys
[22:33] <ingi> can any body help me I'm trying to use kopete but i cant find out how to use the webcam ????? pm plz!!!!!
[22:33] <geronimo89> dhendu9411: funny comment :)
[22:34] <geronimo89> dhendu9411: did starting plasma again not work for you?
[22:35] <dhendu9411> geronimo89: no I just restarted the computer.  I was trying to not reboot, but oh well.
[22:36] <geronimo89> dhendu9411: did you try?
[22:36] <dhendu9411> geronimo89: yeah, but it didn't do anything
[22:36] <dhendu9411> oh well... back to work... thanks again guys
[22:37] <geronimo89> kk, byebye
[22:38] <ingi> can u help my guys?????
[22:39] <ingi> I cant c how to turnit on and off in a chat but works in amsn so its not cam prop just kopete
[22:44] <ingi> can any body help me I'm trying to use kopete but i cant find out how to use the webcam ????? pm plz!!!!!
[22:44] <tomsdale> I changed recently my desktop effects from OpenGL to XRender and experienced a MAJOR speed boost. Some effects don't work anymore with XRender but has anyone else noticed the additional speed?
[22:46] <ingi> I cant c how to turnit on and off in a chat but works in amsn so its not cam prop just kopete
[22:46] <geronimo89> ingi: please speak proper english
[22:47] <ingi> I'm icelandic and dislexsic sorry but propper english is bit limedid
[22:48] <geronimo89> ok ok
[22:48] <ingi> but can you guys help me /w kopete?
[22:49] <eagles0513875> ingi: please state your issue and if someone knows how to fix it then they will respond
[22:50] <ingi> I cant use webcam in chat I cant see the buton
[22:50] <ajavid> hi guys
[22:50] <ajavid> kubuntu is seeming more and more attractive now
[22:51] <ajavid> I'm on debian lenny and for kde3 but now i think i should move to kde4
[22:51] <ajavid> i dunno man
[22:51] <eagles0513875> ajavid: thats up to you
[22:54] <ajavid> ext4 support inside kubuntu 9.04?
[22:54] <geronimo89> ajavid: and make sure you're machine is fast enough, ext4 is in it, using it right now
[22:54] <ajavid> how about 3d support for r5xx radeon open source?
[22:54] <ajavid> geronimo89, how fast?
[22:54] <eagles0513875> same here im using ext4 as ewll
[22:54] <ajavid> model name      : Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU          6300  @ 1.86GHz
[22:54] <ajavid> stepping        : 6
[22:54] <ajavid> cpu MHz         : 3009.900
[22:55] <geronimo89> ajavid: hard to say
[22:55] <ajavid>              total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
[22:55] <ajavid> Mem:          8006       7593        412          0        250       5654
[22:55] <ajavid> should be plenty I hope
[22:55] <eagles0513875> !paste | ajavid
[22:55] <ajavid> when I use kubuntu amd64, I get total mem 7800~ish
[22:55] <ajavid> what happens to my ram in kubuntu?
[22:55] <ajavid> in debian it shows 8006 ram
[22:56] <ajavid> it shows 100+mb less than debian
[22:56] <ajavid> its weird
[22:57] <eagles0513875> ajavid: probably initramfs being loaded into that 100+mb i could be wrong though
[22:58] <ajavid> also, kubuntu installs too much stuff when i install fromcd
[22:58] <ajavid> how can I install a minimal desktop using
[22:59] <ajavid> like i don't use printing servers or something
[22:59] <ajavid> lots of other stuff
[23:07] <achoquel> hey !
[23:07] <achoquel> Qui parle français ?
[23:10] <tomsdale> ajavid - I think that's just the way ubuntu does it - you install the kde desktop and it installs all packages with it.
[23:11] <tomsdale> I'm quite happy with kubuntu but I'm planning on giving arch linux a try - they have a minimalist approach compared to kubuntu.
[23:11] <sean__> tomsdale: sounds cool to me
[23:12] <sean__> I've thought of trying arch but I never did
[23:12] <ign0ramus> their kdemod looks awesome...
[23:12] <tomsdale> only thing that holds me back atm is that I don't have a primary partition free anymore :-(
[23:13] <tomsdale> ign0ramus: yes - you just install the kde apps you want.
[23:13] <ign0ramus> tomsdale, and you can install kde3 or kde4 apps all happily together
[23:13] <tomsdale> ign0ramus: you're on arch?
[23:14] <ign0ramus> tomsdale, no... i really like everything about it, philosophically and implementation, but i can't bear to be without APT :(
[23:15] <tomsdale> ign0ramus: yes - that's also holding me a big back. in ubuntu you just have all the apps at your fingertip.
[23:15] <ign0ramus> tomsdale, in Arch you can use Pacman, which they tout highly, but everything i've learned in Linux assumes the presence of APT
[23:16] <tomsdale> If I still had a primary partition free I would give it a go and run them side by side to compare.
[23:16] <ign0ramus> tomsdale, and APT is extremely robust, stable, and feature-rich, i can't see myself using a distro day-to-day without it
[23:17] <ign0ramus> tomsdale, yeah, once Win7 is final, I'm getting rid of my XP partitions and will free up some space
[23:17] <thierry_> hi all,
[23:17] <ign0ramus> tomsdale, (need windows for printer, ms exchange, and rosetta stone).... otherwise, i wouldn't even consider it
[23:18] <tomsdale> bloody windows 7 - I downloaded the latest RC which is supposed to be good till next year sometimes and used it today for a dimdim session
[23:18] <tomsdale> in the middle it started poping up with notifications "This is not a genuine copy" blackened my desktop etc ... I couldn'T believe it
[23:19] <ign0ramus> tomsdale, on the RC in which you supplied the key from MSFT?
[23:19] <tomsdale> (dimdim = desktop sharing) It was embarrasing since I was giving a web presentation to a possible client ...
[23:19] <thierry_> is there someone that have knowledge on ibm T23 and ubuntu 9.04
[23:19] <tomsdale> yes - I got a key when I downloaded it.
[23:19] <ign0ramus> tomsdale, very strange.  well, not really, considering the source :/
[23:20] <ign0ramus> thierry_, do you have a specific issue?
[23:20] <tomsdale> hehe -. Unfortunately for me it's also still a must. But I use it like 2% of the time
[23:21] <thierry_> yes problem to swith to an external monitor
[23:21] <ign0ramus> tomsdale, same here. well, except for the cubical, where its still XP.  Although living in 2001 isn't so bad... the economy was much better then ;)
[23:21] <thierry_> fn+f8 seems to be accepted, but switching doesn't works
[23:21] <tomsdale> true - back then working in the financial area seemed like a really smart thing to do too
[23:22] <tomsdale> thierry_: which drivers are you using? Don't remember on the T2X models what it was.
[23:22] <thierry_> i found a solution for ubuntu 8.10, but seems the upgrade to the version 9.04 it doens not work anymore
[23:22] <thierry_> I'am newbie to the linux world
[23:22] <thierry_> t2x what's this?
[23:23] <tomsdale> I remember it was in the release notes of 8.10 that they repaired this feature.
[23:23] <tomsdale> your thinkpad model. I think my flatmate had a T21
[23:23] <thierry_> it was a T23
[23:23] <tomsdale> has it an ATI Gfx?
[23:24] <thierry_> it seems that this problem occure only with the T23
[23:24] <thierry_> I currently uses a T41, but no problem to switch
[23:24] <thierry_> I don't remeber because this is not my laptop
[23:25] <thierry_> i think it's a ATI
[23:25] <tomsdale> If I remember right on my x41 with intel drivers it worked out of the box on Ubuntu, didn't try kubuntu.
[23:25] <thierry_> to switch I used a command in a terminal session
[23:26] <ign0ramus> thierry_, there's some talk about resolution issues on the external (ie, you can't set the external monitor for more than 1280x1024)... not sure if that helps
[23:26] <thierry_> found on a forum
[23:26] <thierry_> already tested (1024x768
[23:26] <thierry_> doesn't works
[23:27] <tomsdale> is there no grafical app in kde that allows you to switch monitors?
[23:27] <thierry_> yes a tools to swith video to vga out, but doesn't works
[23:28] <thierry_> don't remember the name
[23:28] <ign0ramus> thierry_, http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/S3switch ?
[23:28] <thierry_> i will try to find the command line used to switch with ubuntu 8.10
[23:29] <tomsdale> thierry_: or you could try the gnome app in ubuntu - maybe if it talks directly to X.Org and doesn't have loads of dependencies it could work.
[23:31] <ign0ramus> thierry_, did you check the link? the app is specifically for switching monitors, and there's a patch just for the T23...
[23:31] <ign0ramus> thierry_, not sure if this still works in Jaunty, but may be worth a look
[23:31] <thierry_> yes, I checked the link and added it in my favorites
[23:31] <thierry_> I cannot test it now because i don't have the pc
[23:31] <ign0ramus> thierry_, ahh, i see now
[23:32] <thierry_> I will check it asap and come back to say if it works or not (friday)
[23:33] <ign0ramus> thierry_, cool.  let me know if/when you see me :)
[23:33] <thierry_> excuse for my english, but i'am french
[23:33] <thierry_> thanks ign0ramus
[23:33] <tomsdale> blast - the blur effect will be dropped in KDE 4.3 because of a bug I discovered. Now I feel bad :-(
[23:33] <ign0ramus> thierry_, pas de probleme ;)
[23:33] <thierry_> same for tomsdale
[23:34] <thierry_> thanks
[23:34] <tomsdale> you're welcome - where you're from thierry_?
[23:34] <ign0ramus> tomsdale, you killed it! :'(
[23:34] <thierry_> ign0ramus
[23:34] <thierry_> tu parle français?
[23:34] <thierry_> s
[23:34] <tomsdale> j'habite au Quebec :-)
[23:34] <thierry_> eh ben
[23:34] <tomsdale> but I'm german originally.
[23:35] <thierry_> moi j'me prends la tête à écrire en anglais
[23:35] <thierry_> lol
[23:35] <ign0ramus> thierry_, oui, mais c'est pas de place pour cette langue.  Anglais, svp ;)
[23:35] <tomsdale> there is a channel ubuntu-qc and ubuntu-fr if you prefer french
[23:35] <thierry_> ok désolé
[23:36] <tomsdale> ign0ramus: I'm a sucker for blur and transparency in KDE !!!!
[23:36] <ign0ramus> tomsdale, i'm sure it'll be back once the bug is fixed.
[23:36] <tomsdale> I wish I could fix it myself and get it back in.
[23:37] <ign0ramus> tomsdale, you reported it on launchpad?
[23:37] <tomsdale> No, directly on the KDE bugtracker - I'm running the beta at the moment.
[23:37] <ign0ramus> tomsdale, oh man, you took it out of kde entirely?  that's some influence you got there :)
[23:37] <cortex_> hi
[23:38] <ign0ramus> !hi
[23:38] <tomsdale> I just reported a bug - turned out blur was responsible and last I heard was that it will get removed.
[23:38] <tomsdale> I tried to contact the original author but he didn't respond :-(
[23:39] <ign0ramus> tomsdale, that's actually pretty cool, and like i said, blur will be back once fixed
[23:39] <ign0ramus> tomsdale, you have a link to the bugtracker?
[23:39] <tomsdale> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=196281
[23:40] <Kraffes> join canada
[23:40] <tomsdale> http://bugsfiles.kde.org/attachment.cgi?id=34491
[23:41] <ign0ramus> tomsdale, ouch.
[23:41] <tomsdale> This is what it looks like if you have blur enabled for some non native KDE apps.
[23:41] <ign0ramus> tomsdale, brb. le diner.
[23:41] <tomsdale> ok, cu around.
[23:41] <ingi> is ubuntu gnome the same as kubuntu or ?
[23:42] <tomsdale> Ingi - Kubuntu is Ubuntu with the KDE Desktop.
[23:42] <thierry_> bye all have a good night
[23:42] <tomsdale> Ubuntu per default comes with the Gnome Desktop.
[23:43] <tomsdale> cu thierry_
[23:43] <thierry_> friday to give feedback about problem resolution
[23:43] <thierry_> thanks!
[23:44] <ingi> ok so I just need to .....
[23:44] <tomsdale> ingi - what do you have and what do you want to do?
[23:45] <tomsdale> Are you considering a new installation or do you already have it installed.
[23:46] <ingi> ok I have ubuntu 9.04 gnome 2.26.1 can I have somthing better thanthat? sorry a total newbe here
[23:47] <tomsdale> ingi: I woud't say KDE is better than Gnome. I usually install for my friends who are new to LInux Gnome first. It's more mature and stable.
[23:48] <tomsdale> before you install KDE + Gnome on the same install I would recommend to test the Live CD first to see whether you like it.
[23:49] <ingi> ok I'LL do that... but kopete works beter on kde
[23:51] <ingi> thanx for the help
[23:51] <tomsdale> KDE uses QT libraries , Gnome uses GTK+ . But you can run KDE apps in Gnome and vica versa. Kopete works also on Gnome but it probably will install several KDE dependancies.
[23:52] <tomsdale> just try "sudo aptitude install kopete" on the command line and see how many depenencies it wants to download befor you decide.
[23:57] <ign0ramus> tomsdale, ok, im back.  do you still have that screenshot?
[23:58] <tomsdale> hehe, now it's me who has dinner
[23:58] <tomsdale> but the screenshot is attached to the bugtracker
[23:58] <tomsdale> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=196281