[00:05] <BUGabundo> nixternal: ping
[00:05] <BUGabundo> humm still blocked!
[00:05] <BUGabundo> did you get that last reply?
[00:05] <BUGabundo> seems not! its not on your page
[00:05] <BUGabundo> http://identi.ca/nixternal/replies
[00:05] <BUGabundo> "bugabundo: @nixternal ahaha i just got your reply so it should be working! now: can u handle >30 dents/day ?"
[01:01] <micahg> ping hggdh
[01:04] <micahg> I want to run a reply by someone to make sure it's not too harsh
[01:05] <BUGabundo> micahg: shoot
[01:05] <BUGabundo> I'm sleepy so don't expect a much clear answer
[01:05] <micahg> then maybe I should wait for someone else :)
[01:06] <micahg> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/195991/ answer to bug
[01:06] <micahg> bug 355476
[01:06] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 355476 in firefox-3.0 "32-bit firefox should be included in AMD64 (x86-64) distribution" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/355476
[01:07] <bcurtiswx-mini> micahg: i don't think its a bad response
[01:08] <BUGabundo> humm
[01:08] <BUGabundo> waint that a WontFix ?
[01:08] <BUGabundo> speacially for 3.0
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[01:09] <BUGabundo> well he _can_ run it!
[01:09] <micahg> nah, it can just sit there, otherwise, we'll get constant back and forth which I'm trying to mitigate with my response
[01:09] <BUGabundo> as long as he has ia32libs
[01:09] <BUGabundo> and FORCE the install for 32 bits for firefox, it should be installabel
[01:10] <BUGabundo> micahg: tell him this ^
[01:10] <bcurtiswx-mini> make him to the work for the "complaining"
[01:11] <micahg> BUGabundo: I've never done it before, so I cannot advise him on how to do it
[01:11] <micahg> you're welcome to post that in the morning
[01:11] <micahg> but I don't know if we support it
[01:11] <BUGabundo> eheh nice ending "in the morning"
[01:12] <BUGabundo> well I don't think we don't NOT support it
[01:12] <BUGabundo> I mean, its in the archive
[01:12] <BUGabundo> hey asac
[01:12] <micahg> ping asac_
[01:13] <micahg> His client probably just reconnected
[01:16] <BUGabundo> yeha
[01:30] <hggdh> micahg, pong
[01:31] <micahg> oh, hi
[01:31] <hggdh> hi :-)
[01:31] <micahg> I wanted feedback on something
[01:31] <hggdh> shoot
[01:31] <micahg> but I think I got it
[01:31] <hggdh> heh. Nothing better than being late, I guess ;-)
[01:31] <micahg> I just wanted to know if this was over the top
[01:31] <micahg> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/195991/
[01:31] <hggdh> looking at it, micahg
[01:32]  * micahg already sent it, so I hope it's not bad :)
[01:32] <hggdh> well, not really. It is sort of direct to the point (er, just a bit on the dry side)
[01:33] <micahg> ok
[01:33] <BUGabundo> ahh
[01:33] <micahg> is dry bad?
[01:33]  * BUGabundo offers some ice
[01:33] <BUGabundo> micahg: well it may not calm him down as much as you wanted
[01:34] <hggdh> micahg, no, dry is not bad. It is just I feel a 'please', or 'thank you' thrown in may look nicier
[01:34] <micahg> oh well
[01:34] <micahg> ah
[01:34] <micahg> I usually do
[01:35] <hggdh> but -- I guess -- you had it with this one
[01:35] <hggdh> :-)
[01:35] <micahg> others probably would've done what BUGabundo suggested and just mark Won't Fix
[01:35] <micahg> yeah
[01:36] <hggdh> let me look at the bug
[01:37] <micahg> I know what it's like working on software
[01:37] <micahg> it's just annoying when people get pushy demanding things in free software
[01:37] <BUGabundo> micahg: either wontfix or invaled
[01:37] <hggdh> its part of the game
[01:37] <BUGabundo> the user *can* install 32 bits
[01:37] <micahg> but I do endeavor to be polite
[01:38] <hggdh> I think wishlist is still correct. There are some valid points (probably) on the request
[01:39] <micahg> hggdh: I consulted you originally on this
[01:40] <hggdh> yes, I saw my entry there
[01:40] <micahg> he can make a proposal and see the feedback he gets
[01:40] <micahg> my guess is there will be a lot of people like BUGabundo saying it's unnecessary
[01:41] <micahg> and then we don't look like the bad guy :)
[01:42] <hggdh> well, this is (some sort of) democracy...
[01:43] <hggdh> gotta walk the dogs. BRB
[01:44] <BUGabundo> hggdh: post pics of them latter!!
[02:30] <Wellichen> Does anyone knows if I it is possible  Reading OpenPGP E-mail on hotmail.
[03:30] <dman1> Hello.  What markup is used in launchpad when reporting a bug?
[06:21] <dholbach> good morning
[06:21] <theyeti> morning
[09:15] <askand> kklimonda: http://pastebin.com/m716938ce ;)
[09:15] <kklimonda> askand: 1.72 was released ;)
[09:16] <kklimonda> but I have sent it to developer
[09:17] <kklimonda> askand: Försäkran "tr_isAddress( b )" falsk. <- Does it mean something like "Assertion "tr_isAddress( b )" failed." ?
[09:18] <kklimonda> yeah, looks like it
[10:05] <askand> kklimonda: yes, that is correct :) I will try 1.72 then
[15:03] <bddebian> Boo
[17:23] <hggdh> bdmurray, any idea of when LP will support classified attachments (i.e., plublic/private)?
[17:24] <bdmurray> hggdh: no, and I'm not familiar with a bug for that
[17:27] <hggdh> will search -- I found it some time ago.
[17:28] <hggdh> bdmurray, anyway -- I am considering adding two new attachments -- anonimised ThreadStacktrace and Stacktrace, and leaving the originals for verification by the triager
[17:29] <bdmurray> hggdh: and those could be removed by a bug control member?
[17:29] <hggdh> so that if the cleanup is, er, excessive, we can go back; if it is good, we can just delete the originals
[17:29] <hggdh> yes
[17:29] <bdmurray> maybe a diff would be easier?
[17:29] <hggdh> adding also a diff?
[17:30] <bdmurray> Maybe just an anonimized and a diff
[17:30] <bdmurray> It'd be hard to make the original again though...
[17:30] <hggdh> ah. Cool, yes, much better
[17:30] <hggdh> well, you can always run patch against it
[17:31] <bdmurray> But you'd have to add a whole new attachment to the bug report
[17:31] <hggdh> with a -R
[17:31] <bdmurray> I think that'd be the exception though
[17:32] <hggdh> probably, yes. But I worry about initial implementation, until we are sure I am not messing too much
[17:33] <bdmurray> In that case add the diff and the original
[17:33] <bdmurray> then just drop the original
[17:33] <hggdh> ok
[17:33] <bdmurray> I think the diff will be easier to inspect than 2 attachments
[17:34] <hggdh> a
[17:34]  * hggdh nods
[19:13] <BUGabundo> boas tardes
[19:13] <BUGabundo> hey bencrisford
[19:13] <bencrisford> hey
[19:36] <hggdh> bdmurray, I just sent you the new source_evolution.py
[19:36] <BUGabundo> hey hggdh
[19:36] <hggdh> learning a new language by programming is fun ;-)
[19:37] <hggdh> hey BUGabundo
[19:37] <BUGabundo> aahah
[21:37] <charles_> was someone here reporting trouble with Transmission?
[21:38] <BUGabundo> charles_: talk to kklimonda! he _tries_ to maintain it
[21:39] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: tries? tries?!!! ;)
[21:40] <BUGabundo> don't you ?
[21:40] <BUGabundo> btw HIIII
[21:41] <kklimonda> hey, what's up? How is a weather in portugal? :)
[21:41] <BUGabundo> sunny today
[21:41] <BUGabundo> yesterday was a drag
[21:58] <mrooney> Anyone know if bugs in gnome-panel's weather go against gnome-applets or gnome-panel?
[22:01] <BUGabundo> not me
[22:04] <MagicFab_> libgweather-common or libgweather AFAIK - but double check by looking at existing bugs
[22:04] <MagicFab_> mr_pouit, ^
[22:04] <MagicFab_> mrooney, ^ - sorry mr_pouit
[22:04] <mrooney> MagicFab_: so it would be against the library even if it could be a UI issue?
[22:06] <MagicFab_> mr_pouit, "depends". As I said, check existing closed bugs to see which most closely matches
[22:06] <pedro_> mrooney: the right component is gnome-panel for weather issues
[22:07] <mrooney> MagicFab_: looks like you need a better IRC client ;)
[22:07] <BUGabundo> hey MagicFab_ seb128 pedro_
[22:07] <pedro_> mrooney: if you're having problems with the locations, like latitude not being correct etc , that's a libgweather issue
[22:07] <seb128> hi BUGabundo
[22:07] <pedro_> salut seb128
[22:07] <pedro_> hey BUGabundo
[22:08] <mrooney> pedro_: ah okay so bug 387477 is probably a libgweather?
[22:08] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 387477 in ubuntu "weather 2.26.1 doesn't show temperature anymore" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/387477
[22:08] <hggdh> seb128, how do we add an apport package hook to Evolution?
[22:09] <pedro_> mrooney: yep looks like it is
[22:09] <mrooney> okay thanks I shall mark it as such!
[22:10] <pedro_> no problem :-)
[22:19] <seb128> re
[22:19] <seb128> hggdh, hi, you were asking?
[22:19] <BUGabundo> ro
[22:21] <hggdh> hi seb128 yes. I have coded a package-hook for Evo (mostly anonimyser on the stacktrace), and I am unsure on how to propose it
[22:22] <seb128> hggdh, the hooks are used when reporting bugs, I doubt you manage to change the coredump which is a binary do you?
[22:22] <seb128> hggdh, that seems a good tool to run on the retracers though
[22:23] <hggdh> seb128, no, the package hook is called after apport-retrace gets done with it, so all I change is the generated BTs
[22:26] <seb128> hum
[22:26] <seb128> I don't know about those hooks
[22:26] <hggdh> or apport itself.... Anyway, the hooks get called when the report is prepared
[22:26] <seb128> I know about apport hooks to include informations in a bug report
[22:27] <seb128> well, usually you get the bug sent to the server
[22:27] <seb128> the first version contain the coredump and non debug stacktraces
[22:27] <hggdh> yes, then apport-retrace does it magic
[22:27] <seb128> then the retracer do their job and upload retraced stacktraces
[22:27] <hggdh> and, as far as I can understand, it then calls any hooks available
[22:27] <bdmurray> oh, both the retraced and non-retraced ones would need to be scrubbed...
[22:27] <seb128> but it doesn't include the apport hook informations
[22:28] <seb128> I doubt of it but better to ask pitti
[22:28] <hggdh> will ask him tomorrow. Actually, let me run a retrace here & upload a new bug
[22:28] <seb128> the information collecting happens usually on the client machine
[22:29] <seb128> non on the datacenter retracer
[22:29] <seb128> non -> not
[22:29] <bdmurray> right, and the package hook is used on the client machine
[22:29] <bdmurray> so the non-retraced Stacktrace.txt would be scrubbed but not the retraced one
[22:29] <bdmurray> using the package hook that hggdh has
[22:30] <hggdh> oy vey
[22:30] <seb128> that's my understanding too but that's not what we want
[22:31] <bdmurray> well its half of what we'd want
[22:33] <hggdh> but not enough. I will sigsegv my Evo, and try
[22:33] <hggdh> with apport-retrace
[22:42] <hggdh> nah
[22:42] <hggdh> will ping ping pitti tomorrow
[22:42] <bdmurray> nah?
[22:43] <BUGabundo> bdmurray: aka not working
[22:43] <hggdh> it seems apport-retrace knows the difference on being run on the canonical servers or on my machine :-(
[22:43] <hggdh> so will have to dig into it, and talk with pitti
[22:43] <BUGabundo> a very common sentence in Portuguese, right hggdh
[22:43] <hggdh> yes :-)
[22:45] <hggdh> generically meaning did not, will not, should not <something>, or <something> is is just plain wrong
[22:45] <hggdh> like did not work
[22:46] <bdmurray> I'm familiar with the word just wanted more information ;-)
[22:46] <BUGabundo> ahahha
[22:47] <BUGabundo> yeah it can be *very* ambigous
[22:47] <BUGabundo> even in context
[22:49] <hggdh> bdmurray, so we are sort of stuck right now. This needs to be run on both the local machine and on the retracer. We will need a change in apport-retrace, methinks
[22:53] <bdmurray> Right, I think this is good though as it can be used by other packages too
[22:54] <bdmurray> the Miscellaneous part of the hook is still useful too
[22:56] <hggdh> I agree. Obviously, the BT anonymiser has to be customised for each package
[23:05] <BUGabundo> any one know the dupe of bug 387529 ?
[23:05] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 387529 in gnome-power-manager "screen goes black after a while even when typing" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/387529
[23:08] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: were you or was it cwillu who asked me this week about a similar bug?
[23:08] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: not me
[23:10] <BUGabundo> then it was cwillu
[23:14] <wellichen> hello everybody, I'm starting today!
[23:15] <wellichen> Anyone can help me with some doubts on BugTracking
[23:16] <BUGabundo> hey wellichen. welcome
[23:16] <BUGabundo> what can we do for you?
[23:17] <wellichen> I want to know if you follow some kind of plan to seek for bugs.
[23:17]  * BUGabundo thinks over and over should apply for team, too. wanna join kklimonda?
[23:17] <BUGabundo> wellichen: well no
[23:17] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: too lazy.. ;)
[23:17] <kklimonda> j/k
[23:17] <BUGabundo> everyone does as they like more
[23:17] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: I think i'll apply soon as in next few weeks
[23:17] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: I'm not.! im too lazy too
[23:17] <BUGabundo> drag me along
[23:18] <wellichen> Um I understand.
[23:18] <BUGabundo> wellichen: some check the list of most recent bugs, others their fab packages, etc
[23:18] <BUGabundo> you can even join on #ubuntu-bugs-announce
[23:18] <BUGabundo> and see new bugs coming in
[23:19] <kklimonda> ehehehe, I was idling there for few days.. lost of noise ;)
[23:19] <kklimonda> lots*
[23:21] <BUGabundo> I know
[23:21] <BUGabundo> I stop beeing there
[23:21] <BUGabundo> too much for even a _spammer_ like me
[23:24] <wellichen> BUGabundo : From where are you from?
[23:24] <BUGabundo> PT
[23:25] <wellichen> Portugal?
[23:25] <BUGabundo> yes
[23:26] <wellichen> Cool!
[23:26] <BUGabundo> Hot. but okay
[23:26] <wellichen> :)
[23:27] <wellichen> Lisboa?
[23:27] <BUGabundo> ah no
[23:27] <BUGabundo> Gondomar (Porto). conheces?
[23:28] <BUGabundo> ahh um compatriota do brasil
[23:28] <wellichen> Nao, nunca estive em Portugal
[23:29] <BUGabundo> hggdh: um dias deste renomeamos o canal para $ubuntu-bugs-pt
[23:29] <BUGabundo> lolol
[23:29] <wellichen> Ah sim Brasileiro :)
[23:29] <wellichen> hahaha
[23:30] <wellichen> Tem muitos que falam portugues por aqui, neh?
[23:30] <kklimonda> wiecie czemu językiem "urzędowym" kanału jest Angielski?
[23:31] <kklimonda> because it's the only language we all have in common :P
[23:32] <BUGabundo> wellichen: yeah there are few of us
[23:32] <BUGabundo> afaik, im the only in Portugal, dough
[23:33] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: luv you too **
[23:33] <virtuald> D'OH
[23:34] <wellichen> kklimonda : sorry I just get happy in finding a fellas that speak Portuguese too!
[23:37] <BUGabundo> +  * When membership expires you should put yourself down for the next membership board for reapproval every 2 years.
[23:37] <BUGabundo> humm
[23:37] <BUGabundo> the membership rules changed ?
[23:37] <kklimonda> why?
[23:37] <BUGabundo> hggdh: now we need to retake it ?
[23:37] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: now idea! just got that email
[23:38] <kklimonda> and what has changed?
[23:39] <BUGabundo> just that
[23:39] <BUGabundo> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership
[23:40] <BUGabundo> need to ping jorge on that
[23:42] <pace_t_zulu> can someone please confirm bug Post-Boards Debauchery
[23:43] <pace_t_zulu> oops... bad paste
[23:43] <BUGabundo> ahaahahaahaha
[23:43] <pace_t_zulu> con someone please confirm bug 387548
[23:43] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 387548 in ubuntu "Could not display "computer:///"." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/387548
[23:43] <BUGabundo> I've done worse, don't worry pace_t_zulu
[23:43] <pace_t_zulu> BUGabundo: hehe
[23:43] <BUGabundo> pace_t_zulu: I can't!
[23:43] <pace_t_zulu> BUGabundo: you're not getting the same behavior?
[23:44] <BUGabundo> haven't read it
[23:44] <BUGabundo> but if it is what you asked yesterday, I can't
[23:45] <pace_t_zulu> BUGabundo, i wasn't asking anything yesterday... i just filed it
[23:45] <pace_t_zulu> BUGabundo, this is for current Karmic
[23:45] <BUGabundo> then someone did
[23:46] <hggdh> BUGabundo, retake what?
[23:46] <BUGabundo> hggdh: membership meeting every two years
[23:46] <pace_t_zulu> hggdh: can you reproduce bug 387548 ?
[23:46] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 387548 in ubuntu "Could not display "computer:///"." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/387548
[23:47] <pace_t_zulu> hggdh: nm... i recall you aren't using ubuntu+1
[23:47] <BUGabundo> pace_t_zulu: no logs???
[23:47] <BUGabundo> pace_t_zulu: $ apport-collect 387548 -p nautilus
[23:48] <pace_t_zulu> BUGabundo: will do
[23:48] <BUGabundo> no package... that's a very poor bug!
[23:48] <hggdh> pace_t_zulu, I am running Karmic
[23:48] <hggdh> pace_t_zulu, I cannot reproduce it
[23:49] <pace_t_zulu> hggdh, thank you... i hope i didn't file a bogus bug
[23:50] <BUGabundo> humm no bug is bogus
[23:51] <BUGabundo> could just be _your_ configuration
[23:51] <BUGabundo> trigging something not obvious
[23:51] <BUGabundo> seb128: still around ?
[23:51] <BUGabundo> is this a nautilus bug?
[23:51] <seb128> what?
[23:51] <pace_t_zulu> BUGabundo: did the apport-collect
[23:52] <BUGabundo> seb128: pace_t_zulu bug https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bugs/387548
[23:52] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 387548 in ubuntu "Could not display "computer:///"." [Undecided,New]
[23:53] <seb128> rather gvfs
[23:53] <seb128> try if gvfs-ls computer: is working
[23:54] <seb128> and run /usr/lib/gvfs/gvfsd -r on a command line
[23:54] <seb128> then try to open computer
[23:54] <seb128> and copy the log from the command line on the bug
[23:57] <pace_t_zulu> seb128, did those steps and added comments to the bug report
[23:58] <seb128> running /usr/lib/gvfs/gvfsd-computer work?
[23:58] <pace_t_zulu> from #ubuntu+1 Sarvatt: pace_t_zulu: ah you're missing /usr/lib/gvfs/gvfsd-computer --spawner :1.6 /org/gtk/gvfs/exec_spaw/3 in your ps aux for some reason
[23:58] <seb128> the gvfs processes are autospawned when required
[23:59] <seb128> it could be crashing for you for some reason
[23:59] <pace_t_zulu> seb128: /usr/lib/gvfs/gvfsd-computer produces "Segmentation fault"