[01:49] <vorian> yizidy yizo
[01:49] <JontheEchidna> hizidy hizey
[04:09] <ScottK> The problem was something like a mysql-common (or similar) package that was provided by both 5.0 and 5.1 and no one noticed until after the upload.
[04:10] <ScottK> mysql packages (unlike postgres) are not generally designed to be co-installed.
[04:10]  * ScottK also (now) notices that was about 6 hours ago ....
[04:10] <vorian> hehe
[04:11] <vorian> still valid however
[04:11] <ScottK> Fits with my observation about with is generally better engineered.
[04:12]  * vorian thinks a Kubuntu dude should go after the QA team manager job
[04:13]  * ScottK wonders if nixternal can pretend to know about QA as well as he pretends to work on Kubutu?
[04:13] <vorian> there you go
[04:15]  * ScottK notes vorian was grumbling about his current employment recently.
[04:24] <nhandler> Are we holding the Kubuntu meeting in here?
[04:33] <nixternal> ScottK: luckily I don't know the ins and outs of QA work :)
[04:33] <ScottK> You're probably highly qualified then.
[04:33] <nixternal> they are looking for a heavy QA hitter
[04:34] <nixternal> plus, all the tools they use we can't even use until AT-SPI is fully incorporated, which will hopefully be some time this year
[04:34] <nixternal> or next year :p
[04:34] <nixternal> nhandler: it will be in #ubuntu-meeting tomorrow night
[04:35] <nhandler> nixternal: Then we have a conflict
[04:35] <nhandler> There is already another meeting in there scheduled for the same time
[04:38] <nixternal> then we will hold it here. fixed :)
[04:38] <nhandler> :)
[06:50] <xnox> Is this the best place to report bug in kubuntu-backports packages? It's packaging related.
[09:01] <sebas> shtylman_: you got the ooo kde4 integration stuff done? congrats ...
[09:42] <estan> hey folks, i'm a little confused by the CheckPolicy function in /usr/share/acpi-support, it seems it's not designed to work with KDE4.
[09:42] <estan> it is called from e.g. /etc/acpi/lid.sh to check if there's some daemon (gnome or kde) that controls power policy.
[09:42] <estan> but it seems the script only uses dcop.
[09:44] <estan> i'm running a trunk install of KDE on my kubuntu system, and i discovered this is the reason why i couldn't turn off screen blanking on lid close in powerdevil, since the lid.sh ACPI event script did not detect me having any policy daemon running.
[09:44] <estan> i guess this script should be extended to check for e.g. powerdevil using dbus or something when on kde4, or?
[09:45] <estan> (what happens if the lid.sh script does not detect a policy daemon of any kind is that it goes along and turns off the screen by default).
[10:05] <estan> or maybe not possible to use dbus from those scripts?
[10:07] <tsimpson> estan: can you file a bug against acpi-support for that please
[10:09] <estan> tsimpson: yea, i will.
[10:10] <tsimpson> "(test -x /usr/bin/dbus-send && dbus-send --print-reply --dest=org.kde.kded /kded org.kde.kded.loadedModules | grep -q powerdevil)" should work from there
[10:13] <tsimpson> it should probably check for guidance-power-manager too
[10:14] <estan> hm, but i just tried adding plain:  || dbus-send --print-reply --dest='org.kde.kded' /kded org.kde.kded.loadedModules | grep -q powerdevil
[10:15] <estan> and it seems it didn't work..
[10:15] <estan> the parentheses are required?
[10:15] <estan> i'll try your exact suggestion too.
[10:15] <estan> maybe i can make a patch for the bug report.
[10:15] <tsimpson> what do you mean "didn't work"?
[10:16] <tsimpson> it's not supposed to print anything, just exit successfully
[10:16] <tsimpson> (the -q makes grep silent)
[10:17] <tsimpson> ie: "dbus-send --print-reply --dest='org.kde.kded' /kded org.kde.kded.loadedModules | grep -q powerdevil ; echo $?" prints '0'
[10:17] <estan> yea i know, sorry, i meant that i got the same problem as before, CheckPolicy returned 1 in /etc/lid.sh and my screen was blanked.. so i guess something didn't work.
[10:17] <estan> yea, it does.
[10:18] <tsimpson> hmm, maybe the script is called from a different user...
[10:18] <estan> it's just that it does not seem to do so when invoked in the policy-funcs
[10:18] <estan> yea that's what i'm thinking, that it can't find the dbus bus.
[10:18] <estan> maybe it needs some more magic to find it.
[10:19] <estan> i couldn't find any dbus stuff used in any of the other acpi event scripts.
[10:19] <estan> tsimpson: i mean, the script is system-wide..
[10:19] <estan> or?
[10:20] <estan> acpid is running as root..
[10:24] <estan> i'll just file the bug.
[10:30] <Tonio_> hi
[10:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: as you proposed your help for this... https://edge.launchpad.net/~packagekit/+archive/0.4.x
[10:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: I couldn't fix the build issue for that kpackagekit...
[10:32] <Quintasan> hiho
[10:36] <estan> okay, i filed a bug; https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/acpi-support/+bug/387750
[10:37] <estan> there were some similar bugs, but i'm pretty sure no dupes.
[10:39] <tsimpson> Tonio_: try quoting _target: set(_target "${CMAKE_CURRENT_BINARY_DIR}/${_output_file}")
[10:39] <tsimpson> (WFM)
[10:42] <Tonio_> tsimpson: testing...
[10:47]  * tsimpson clears out the spam to his @ubuntu.com address
[10:48] <Tonio_> tsimpson: no luck...
[10:48] <Tonio_> CMake Error at cmake/modules/PkgConfigGetVar.cmake:28 (configure_file):
[10:48] <Tonio_>   configure_file called with incorrect number of arguments, expected 2
[10:51] <tsimpson> works here with cmake 2.6.2
[10:51] <Tonio_> tsimpson: hum....
[10:52] <Tonio_> tsimpson: with or without commenting the line ?
[10:52] <Tonio_> tsimpson: I use karmic and so cmake 2.6.4...
[10:53] <tsimpson> I dget'd the source and quoted the set(_target bit
[10:54] <tsimpson> (and changed CMakeLists.txt to look for packagekit-qt>=0.3.14)
[10:58] <Tonio_> tsimpson: hum, nope I can't get that to work... quoting won't change anything.... weird...
[11:00] <Tonio_> tsimpson: it looks like PKGCONFIG_GETVAR outputs an empty _install_dir
[11:00] <Tonio_> no idea why
[11:03] <glatzor> hello Tonio_, Riddell !
[11:03] <Riddell> hi glatzor
[11:03] <tsimpson> Tonio_: I think it gets that from "pkg-config dbus-1 --variable=session_bus_services_dir"
[11:03] <tsimpson> prints out "/usr/share/dbus-1/services" for me
[11:04] <glatzor> I would like to make the transition to packagekit 0.4.x in the next days
[11:04] <glatzor> or today :)
[11:04] <glatzor> Tonio_, Riddell I rename the packagekit-0.4.x branch to packagekit-karmic
[11:06] <Tonio_> glatzor: yup, thanks :)
[11:07] <glatzor> Tonio_, Riddell unfortunately it will break kpackagekit
[11:07] <Tonio_> tsimpson: this outputs empty stuff for me
[11:07] <Tonio_> glatzor: no problem
[11:08] <glatzor> So perhaps we should add a breaks
[11:08] <Riddell> Tonio_: --   package 'packagekit-qt>=0.4.7' not found <--  where can I find that?
[11:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: on the ppa
[11:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: you have to build according to the ppa
[11:08] <Riddell> Tonio_: there's no libpackagekit-qt in https://edge.launchpad.net/~packagekit/+archive/0.4.x
[11:08] <tsimpson> Tonio_: it should be set in /usr/lib/pkgconfig/dbus-1.pc, so if not, then it's an issue with the libdbus-1-dev package
[11:09] <Riddell> oh, it's part of packagekit itself now
[11:09] <Riddell> clever
[11:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes it is
[11:10] <glatzor> Riddell, this was already the case for packagekit 0.3.x :)
[11:10] <Tonio_> tsimpson: interesting...
[11:10] <Tonio_> tsimpson: damned me.... I didn't install this package....
[11:11] <Tonio_> tsimpson: also, cmake could have been a little more talkative about the issue...
[11:11] <tsimpson> heh
[11:12] <tsimpson> I guess it's because it's not looking for the package
[11:12] <Tonio_> tsimpson: yup
[11:13] <Riddell> tsimpson beat me to it
[11:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: I think I can finish the package now... testing and ppa uploading
[11:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: uploaded, we'll be able to test in an hour maybe...
[11:19] <Tonio_> glatzor: hopefully that won't break kpackagekit
[11:32]  * Tonio_ is doing the digikam package...
[11:32] <Riddell> Tonio_: http://unite.opera.com/  well it's not free software, although I can't  work out what it is
[11:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: yup, sadly ;)
[11:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: it's a P2P web browsing thing, looks like, cloud computing stuff and so on...
[11:41] <Tonio_> Riddell, glatzor: packagekit and kpackagekit seem to work decently from the ppa :)
[11:42] <glatzor> Tonio_, oh, I just mixed up the branches
[11:47] <Tonio_> glatzor: oki
[11:48] <glatzor> Tonio_, I have to manually merge some more changes from my local branch
[11:48] <Riddell> Tonio_: working here too
[12:03] <glatzor> Tonio_, could you please only set the distro in the changelog from UNRELASED to karmic if the package was uploaded
[12:03] <glatzor> Tonio_, only.
[12:03] <glatzor> Tonio_, this helps me to keep track of upload more easily.
[12:10] <Tonio_> glatzor: hum right
[12:12] <Tonio_> glatzor: I'll let you do the job for packagekit and packagekit-gnome and I'm handeling kpackagekit, is that okay for you ?
[12:17] <Tonio_> glatzor: want me to create the packagekit-gnome-jarmic branch ?
[12:18] <Tonio_> glatzor: also I noticed something strange with your packagekit-gnome upload...
[12:19] <Tonio_> glatzor: the stable 2.27.2 release seems more recent than your 2.27.2+20090423-0ubuntu1~ppa1  upload, just fyi...
[12:19] <glatzor> Tonio_, I already have got the branch on my system, so I only need to push it :)
[12:19] <Tonio_> glatzor: oki
[12:19] <Tonio_> glatzor: afaik 2.27.2 was released on june 1st
[12:19] <glatzor> Tonio_, I think there was a typo in the version number
[12:20] <Tonio_> oki, so maybe you can just get my changes on the ppa then
[12:20] <Tonio_> kpackagekit uploaded
[12:20] <Tonio_> to the branch (not the repos)
[12:25] <Tonio_> glatzor: considering the issue with sun-java6-plugin, I had a question, although that might sound crappy...
[12:26] <Tonio_> glatzor: I know packagekit as support for some licence stuff right ? isn't there a way to just for this package invoke this licencing stuff and then push the acceptation as a debconf command so that it won't crash while installing java ?
[12:28] <glatzor> Tonio_, we can only implement this mechanism as a kind of hack
[12:29] <Tonio_> glatzor: yep I agree with this...
[12:29] <Tonio_> glatzor: but an crap patch that can be removed is better than an app segfault
[12:30] <glatzor> Tonio_, we would have to maintain a list of corresponding license questions
[12:31] <glatzor> Tonio_, if one of the corresponding packages gets installed we would have to extract the license, cancel the installation and emit the EULA signal to packagekit daemon
[12:32]  * Riddell would rather just blacklist sun-jaa
[12:32] <Tonio_> glatzor: hum and what if we use DEBIAN_FRONTEND=qt, the way adept did ?
[12:33] <glatzor> Tonio_, this is not possible, we would have to send the xauth cookie and display to the daemon
[12:33] <glatzor> Tonio_, the whole architecture of packagekit does not allow any interactiveness during installation
[12:33] <Tonio_> glatzor: hum true, kpackagekit works as the user...
[12:34] <Tonio_> we just have to wait for a trully opensource java then ;)
[12:34] <glatzor> adding a blacklist would be easy
[12:34] <Tonio_> maybe as Riddell said, we should just blacklist licenced packages in the search engine
[12:34] <Tonio_> I also have to patch kpackagekit to accept package installation within the command line...
[12:34] <glatzor> Tonio_, I would like to blacklist them only during installation
[12:36] <glatzor> Tonio_, I am now done with packagekit 0.4.8-0ubuntu1
[12:36] <glatzor> Tonio_, feel free to upload it
[12:39] <Tonio_> thanks, I have to go but I'll do toonight if you don't in between
[12:40] <Tonio_> glatzor: I still have to work out kpackagekit patches a little bit
[12:40] <glatzor> Tonio_, no problem.
[12:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: they added it  ;)
[12:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: kpackagekit --install-package-name "packagename"
[12:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: pretty good news
[12:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm patching update-notifier-kde to use kpackagekit instead of install-package
[12:44] <Riddell> awooga
[12:44] <Riddell> bonus points if you do the other packages in `apt-cache rdepends install-package`
[12:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: we just need to check if that supports multiple packages installation
[12:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: sure will do
[12:44] <Riddell> mm
[12:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum single package support atm :/
[12:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll have to patch for multiple packages
[12:58] <nhandler> Riddell: Just to be sure, you saw the channel topic, right?
[13:02] <Riddell> nhandler: #u-m is full?
[13:03] <nhandler> Riddell: Yeah, there is another meeting scheduled in there at the same time
[13:03]  * nhandler will be trying to attend 2 meetings at once tonight ;)
[13:04] <Riddell> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar  so that's where it moved to
[13:04] <Riddell> not terribly pretty that
[13:05] <nhandler> Riddell: There are 3 things I like about the switch. 1) I can subscribe to the calendar in gcal (where I also get daily reminders via email). 2) Anyone can add events. 3) Recurring events are easy to create
[13:05] <nhandler> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Fridge/Calendar explains how to add an event
[13:13] <vorian> nhandler: didn
[13:13] <vorian> whoops
[13:13] <vorian> didn't yall have a meeting last night?
[13:14] <nhandler> vorian: Tonight
[13:14] <vorian> what was that meeting last night then?
[13:15] <vorian> ubuntu-learning or something it seems
[13:16] <Riddell> Mamarok: I'm looking at the pykde problem with the printer config tool, could you try   sudo cp /usr/share/kde4/apps/pykde4/kde4.py /usr/share/python-qt4/widget-plugins
[13:23] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: That fixed my spck problems
[13:23] <JontheEchidna> before it was complaining about kpushbutton
[13:25] <jussi01> Riddell: hi, got a moment for a pm?
[13:26] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: in karmic?
[13:26] <Riddell> jussi01: can do
[13:26] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: yus
[13:41] <nixternal> Riddell: whose idea was it for a QA/Feedback plasmoid?
[13:41] <nixternal> I have decided to take the QA tasks in hoping to have them completed today (crappy weather)
[13:42] <Riddell> nixternal: my idea mostly
[13:42] <nixternal> what would you like see?
[13:42] <nixternal> just a simple questionairre type deal?
[13:43] <nixternal> rate 1...2...3...4...5
[13:43] <nixternal> little text box for comments
[13:43] <nixternal> that's the easy part :)
[13:43] <Riddell> nixternal: well currently we have the Beta/Kubuntu/Feedback pages so I was thinking it would be an easier way to give that sort of general opinion feedback
[13:43] <nixternal> how does it get submitted?
[13:43] <Riddell> so maybe questions like  "what broke"  "what do you like"  "do translations work"  "other comments"
[13:44] <Riddell> nixternal: probably just calls a web page which has a database
[13:44] <nixternal> I was thinking the same
[13:44] <nixternal> I can whip up a django app that can control it if needbe as well
[13:44] <Riddell> what's django?
[13:44] <nixternal> python web framework
[13:45] <jussi01> a very good one
[13:45] <nixternal> it is what I did that LoCo directory in
[13:45] <jussi01> django is super.
[13:46] <Riddell> shtylman_: awooga! http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/ooo-build/2009-June/000036.html
[13:48] <Riddell> shtylman_: so.. when do we get screenshots?
[13:48] <Riddell> yuriy: see pykde fix above if you still need it ^^
[13:48] <Riddell> yuriy: how did you get on with the openoffice oxygen icons?
[14:27] <Riddell> nixternal: I wonder if report bug should use -P PID instead of -p PACKAGE
[14:28] <nixternal> hrmm
[14:29] <nixternal> I would say PID
[14:29] <nixternal> that way there, if you have multiple instances of it, I guess apport could grab the correct instance of it, but would there be a difference?
[14:30] <Riddell> could be, but also the app name might not be the same as the package name
[14:31] <nixternal> hrmm, good point, but don't PID grab the app name and not the package name?
[14:31] <nixternal> ahh, that's where package hooks come in handy :)
[14:32] <nixternal> what do you think about "Report bug to Kubuntu" and "Report bug to KDE"? is that to much you think?
[14:36] <Riddell> nixternal: I think users should be prompted to only report to one place
[14:40] <rickspencer3> ScottK ScottK-desktop: are you signed in twice because you are working on a netbook too ;) ?
[14:40] <glatzor> Riddell, hi. I changed the way the apt backend operates in packagekit 0.4.x
[14:40] <Riddell> glatzor: how so?
[14:41] <glatzor> Riddell, in the past it has been a seperate daemon that communicated with packagekitd by dbus
[14:41] <glatzor> Riddell, unluckily packagekitd used synchronous dbus calls what resulted in this ugly backend timed out issue
[14:41] <Riddell> ugly indeed
[14:42] <glatzor> Riddell, so now the apt backend is a spawned process which communicates via stdio/stdout with the packagekid
[14:42] <Riddell> yay
[14:42] <glatzor> Riddell, this mechanism is used by all the others python based backends too
[14:43] <glatzor> Riddell, the dbus backend mechanism wasn't very well maintained by richard too
[14:44] <glatzor> The new backend will not run all the time - only for 5 seconds idle time and only a small amount of commands
[14:45] <glatzor> so you can see a small delay until a request is processed by the backend - comparing to the dbus backend
[14:45] <glatzor> since the backend has to open the apt cache more often
[14:45] <glatzor> but with python-apt 0.8 the initial cache reading has been improved a lot.
[14:46] <glatzor> Riddell, just for you information
[14:46] <Riddell> sounds all good then
[14:46] <Riddell> glatzor: do you know what the status is with packagekit and signed repositories?
[14:47] <glatzor> what do you want to know?
[14:47] <Riddell> if it correcly warns or doesn't allow installing from unsigned repositories
[14:47] <glatzor> I did not implement this yet for the apt backend
[14:48] <Riddell> glatzor: but there's support for it in packagekit in general?
[14:48] <glatzor> right
[14:48] <Riddell> glatzor: any plans to implement it for apt?
[14:48] <glatzor> there is even a separate PolicyKit privilege for installing not signed packages
[15:04] <neversfelde> there seems to be something wrong with choqok, the switch to kde.mk is not done in rules, but mentioned in changelog for 0.6.1-0ubuntu1
[15:04] <neversfelde> can someone fix this without that I open a bug?
[15:05] <neversfelde> I have no idea about the copyright symbols in the same entry, that change is not from me
[15:06] <neversfelde> something went wrong :)
[15:06] <JontheEchidna> I can take a look
[15:07] <neversfelde> thank you
[15:09] <JontheEchidna> ..or in a bit. I'll be back in 20 mins
[15:10] <JontheEchidna> unless I do it real fast
[15:12] <JontheEchidna> ugh, the most recent upload wasn't pushed to bzr
[15:13] <JontheEchidna> I'll have to do it when I get back
[15:18] <Riddell> it's in bzr?
[15:18] <Riddell> hmm, so it is
[15:18] <nixternal> hrmm, where is plasmapkg
[15:19] <glatzor> Riddell, what kind of support do you want for the untrusted packages?
[15:19] <Riddell> glatzor: a big fat warning in the UI?
[15:19] <glatzor> Riddell, do you want an option to block them? or just a notification to the user that an untrusted package will be installed?
[15:19] <Riddell> glatzor: probably both
[15:19] <Riddell> nixternal: disappeared?  #plasma will know
[15:20] <nixternal> well, I hate going there when it is on us and not them though
[15:23] <nixternal> hrmm
[15:24] <nixternal> looks like it is on us thus far
[15:24] <nixternal> plasmapkg used to be in kdebase-workspace-bin and my svn checkout has it in kdebase-runtime
[15:25] <glatzor> Riddell, currently it is all or nothing. Either you allow to install unsigned packages by default and provide a warning (which is not yet implemented in the apt backend) or you disallow to install those with PackageKit at all
[15:26] <Riddell> glatzor: I'd favour a warning
[15:26] <Riddell> I suspect ScottK favours not at all
[15:26] <Riddell> jr@wido:~/src/kdebase-runtime/ubuntu/debian>grep plasmapkg *
[15:26] <Riddell> not-installed:./usr/bin/plasmapkg is also in package kdebase-workspace-bin
[15:26] <Riddell> nixternal: hmm, that could be the problem
[15:27] <glatzor> Riddell, the warning will only be submitted during installation
[15:27] <glatzor> Riddell, so you don't know before
[15:27] <Riddell> glatzor: that's fine
[15:28] <glatzor> Riddell, but the situation could improve in the next time
[15:29] <nixternal> Riddell: that is be :(  once again it looks like list-missing or fail-missing isn't being utilized :/
[15:29]  * nixternal wonders what the purpose of a QA setup is when the common stuff can't even be completed
[15:32] <nixternal> heh, I don't get it...plasmapkg was removed from the kdebase-workspace package but not documented in the changelog, and it wasn't added to kdebase-runtime...so someone obviously noted it was no longer in the one package
[15:34] <Riddell> more like it didn't exist in a new KDE version so it just got removed from the .install file
[15:34] <Riddell> nixternal: apport patch to kdelibs working well, uploading
[15:34] <nixternal> groovy
[15:49]  * Quintasan wonders why even examples don't work for him
[15:50] <JontheEchidna> the version of kdebase-runtime I reviewed had plasmapkg, the failure must have come in changes after that
[15:50] <JontheEchidna> ah, it did: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kdebase-runtime/ubuntu/revision/30
[15:50] <JontheEchidna> anyways, just a bit of confusion solving a file replace conflict
[15:52] <rgreening> I really hate gtk
[15:54] <nixternal> JontheEchidna: but what I don't understand is how it was removed from one, added to the other, removed from the other, and not added back...all the while not being documented in the changelog at all
[15:55] <rgreening> cat /dev/null > changelog
[15:55] <nixternal> dh_install: debian/tmp/usr/share/icons/hicolor/index.theme exists in debian/tmp/ but is not installed to anywhere
[15:55] <nixternal> dh_install: debian/tmp/usr/bin/plasmapkg exists in debian/tmp/ but is not installed to anywhere
[15:55] <nixternal> dh_install: debian/tmp/usr/lib/libkwalletbackend.so exists in debian/tmp/ but is not installed to anywhere
[15:55] <nixternal> dh_install: debian/tmp/usr/lib/libmolletnetwork.so exists in debian/tmp/ but is not installed to anywhere
[15:57] <shtylman_> Riddell: http://shtylman.com/stuff/oo/oo_new.png
[16:01] <JontheEchidna> neversfelde: fixed choqok uploaded
[16:01] <Riddell> thanks JontheEchidna
[16:02] <JontheEchidna> yup, no problem
[16:03] <yuriy> Riddell: got as far as the current artwork will take me and asked calc to package it so people can try it out
[16:05] <Riddell> yuriy: excellent
[16:05] <shtylman_> yuriy: :)
[16:05] <Riddell> yuriy: calc isn't on the desktop team currently so I don't know if he'll have time, presumably it's not hard to package ourselves, it's just a zip file
[16:05] <Riddell> yuriy: oh and got a screenshot? :)
[16:05] <Riddell> yuriy: don't let me forget about packaging userconfig,where is that?
[16:07] <yuriy> Riddell: userconfig is here: https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/guidance/userconfig-kde4
[16:07] <yuriy> Riddell: for icons there's something you need to change in OO.o to get it to pick up the right archive
[16:08] <yuriy> Riddell: screenshot here: http://gamemank.wordpress.com/2009/06/11/oxygen-icon-set-for-ooo/
[16:10] <Riddell> yuriy: do you have the full size screenshot?  that one's a bit small
[16:13] <yuriy> Riddell: http://yktech.us/temp/oo-ox.png
[16:14] <Riddell> excellent, this calls for a blog
[16:15] <shtylman_> Riddell: imagine...if I can use that icon set and make a screenshot with the kde4 widget theme I am running :)
[16:15] <shtylman_> even better for your blog :)
[16:15] <Riddell> that would be perfect
[16:16] <Riddell> yuriy: what's the easiest way for shtylman_ to do that?
[16:16] <rgreening> :)
[16:18] <yuriy> shtylman_: https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/openoffice.org-oxygen-icons/oxygen check that out, zip into a file called crystal_images.zip
[16:19] <shtylman_> do I zip up the oxygen folder? or go into it and zip from there?
[16:19] <rgreening> Riddell: http://imagebin.ca/view/5E5mIe.html
[16:19] <rgreening> the usb-creator-kde is coming along...
[16:19] <yuriy> shtylman_: into it
[16:20] <shtylman_> k
[16:22] <yuriy> shtylman_: sorry images_crystal.zip
[16:22] <yuriy> shtylman_: the file should go here: /usr/lib/openoffice/basis-link/share/config/images_crystal.zip to overwrite the current theme
[16:23] <Riddell> so OO icons, widget and usb creator.  anything else I should add to my report to the desktop meeting in 10 minutes?
[16:23] <shtylman_> yuriy: ive got it installed locally...but yea...same idea
[16:26] <shtylman_> Riddell yuriy: http://shtylman.com/stuff/oo/oo_icons.png
[16:27] <Riddell> shtylman_: perfect!
[16:31] <rgreening> Riddell: Here's my blog post on usb-creator... <a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_ScFZQ0ISIX0/Sje6EZJicGI/AAAAAAAAA78/tb2ma7lEcU4/s1600-h/usbcreatorkde.png"><img style="display:block; margin:0px auto 10px; text-align:center;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 320px; height: 273px;" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_ScFZQ0ISIX0/Sje6EZJicGI/AAAAAAAAA78/tb2ma7lEcU4/s320/usbcreatorkde
[16:31] <rgreening> .png" border="0" alt=""id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5347947667158888546" /></a>
[16:31] <rgreening> oh crap...
[16:31] <rgreening> http://roderick-greening.blogspot.com/2009/06/usb-creator-kde-update-and-screenie.html
[16:31] <rgreening> where did that other paste come from.. hheheh
[16:33] <shtylman_> rgreening: nice :)
[16:34] <rgreening> shtylman_: you have done some nice work yourself... It's impressive getting the ooo kde4 integration done.
[16:35] <rgreening> shtylman_: did you see that they are planning a slideshow for installer? are you working on one as well (i.e. copy/port theirs?)
[16:36] <shtylman_> rgreening: I heard but havn't looked into it yet...I will port/copy the needed parts once I start up on the installer again
[16:36] <Riddell> ooh, lex79 is going for membership tonight
[16:36] <rgreening> cool
[16:38] <Riddell> http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3983
[16:40] <shtylman_> hahah nice
[16:41] <rgreening> sweet
[16:41] <rgreening> :P
[16:41] <rgreening> me is teh 3l33t
[16:42] <Riddell> totally
[16:42] <rgreening> hah
[16:43] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: clicking for the fullsize OO.o pic gives a 404
[16:44] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: fixed thanks
[16:45] <rgreening> lol...
[16:49] <rgreening> I have the say, the ooo looks schweet
[16:50] <Quintasan> Riddell: are there any specifications for the wallpaper or kdm theme?
[16:57] <Riddell> Quintasan: the wallpaper should  be a kubuntu paletted version of whatever KDE uses, I think the oxygen artists will take care of that.  kdm theme I think kwwii has plans for
[16:58] <Quintasan> ok, then I will work on plasmaboard
[16:58] <Riddell> Quintasan: what's that?
[16:58] <kwwii> I am also working on a plasma theme ;)
[16:58] <Quintasan> Riddell: plasma widget with keyboad
[16:59] <kwwii> Quintasan: I have an svg with a keyboard I made some time ago for the mobile project if you are interested
[17:01] <Quintasan> erm, I put it wrong maybe, I'm annoying upstream with bugs and packaging new versions :P
[17:01] <Quintasan> kwwii: but I bet he would be intrested, mind mailing me it? quintasan@kubuntu.org :P
[17:01] <kwwii> sure
[17:15] <kb9vqf> Quick question...the K3B that is included in Jaunty official repositories: is that the KDE3 or KDE4 version?
[17:15]  * kb9vqf is away from a "standard" jaunty install
[17:16] <kb9vqf> this tag is not very helpful: kde4svn935857+really1.0.5-3ubuntu5
[17:16] <rgreening> kwwii: rock on dude. :)
[17:22] <cbr> kb9vqf: kde3
[17:23] <kb9vqf> cbr: Thanks!
[17:23] <kwwii> Quintasan: sent
[17:24] <Quintasan> kwwii: thanks
[17:24] <Quintasan> cbr: Know where I can get the kde4 one? I'm sure it was on Tonio_'s PPA but I can't find it now
[17:26] <Riddell> KDE 4 k3b is in karmic now
[17:26] <Quintasan> thx Riddell
[17:26] <Riddell> I don't know of a jaunty build
[17:32] <kb9vqf> Another question about K3B: does Jaunty have problems with burning audio CDs?  It is throwing a lot of configure warnings regarding ffmpeg, and it has me worried.
[17:36] <kwwii> for me, in jaunty it not only doesn't burn right, it also broke my burner but that seems to be a wierd problem and not normal :(
[17:44] <Quintasan> can anyone tell me why on earth PolicyKit asks me for root password?
[17:56] <Riddell> you're running an app as root?
[17:56] <Riddell> kwwii!
[17:57] <kwwii> Riddell: yes?
[17:57] <Riddell> kwwii: k3b broke your CD burner!
[17:58] <kwwii> yeah, been a few years since that happened
[17:58] <kb9vqf> I remember that...it was actually a kernel problem as I recall
[17:58] <kwwii> might well have been
[17:58] <kb9vqf> Something about a buggy firmware in certain CDROM drives
[17:58] <kb9vqf> It is a shame though...the manufacturer should have replaced the drives
[17:59] <kb9vqf> Seeing as it was technically their fault :)
[17:59] <kwwii> or we should have been more careful
[18:01] <kb9vqf> Well, the kernel was following the correct protocol IIRC; unfortunately a little used identification function cleared the firmware in the drive
[18:01] <kwwii> funny thing is, it still works in windows
[18:02] <seele> does OO integration include kde file and print dialogs?
[18:02] <kwwii> but anyway.../me is off to band practice
[18:05] <kb9vqf> Anyone have a guess as to where the default configure flag \${prefix}/include/kde comes from?
[18:05] <Mamarok> Riddell: I have a guy asking about how to do an OEM installation of 9.04, where should I send him to?
[18:05] <mcasadevall> kb9vqf, I'm going to guess autoconf (its mostly shell, its not hard to override the defaults)
[18:06] <mcasadevall> Mamarok, OEM installation as in en-mass, or just a handful machines?
[18:06]  * NCommander wonders why he keeps coming on as mcasadevall ...
[18:06] <yuriy> seele: file yes, print... shtylman_ ?
[18:06] <kb9vqf> NCommander: so dpkg-buildpackage runs autoconf before configure?
[18:06] <Mamarok> NCommander: no ide, he is in #kubuntu, named squinkles
[18:07] <NCommander> kb9vqf, depends on the package; I assume this is a KDE3-era package (almost all KDE packages now are CMake based)
[18:07] <kb9vqf> NCommander: Yes, k3b kde3
[18:07] <NCommander> kb9vqf, check the configure.ac/configure.in
[18:08] <kb9vqf> NCommander: It's not there
[18:08] <NCommander> aclocal.m4 would be my other guess
[18:08] <NCommander> autoconf is some serious voodoo
[18:08] <kb9vqf> NCommander: It looks like dpkg-buildpackage loads a set of default flags with which it then calls ./configure with
[18:09] <kb9vqf> NCommander: No kidding
[18:09] <NCommander> dpkg-buildpackage won't set that automatically
[18:09] <NCommander> Oh wait
[18:09] <NCommander> if its a KDE3 package it *might* be using CDBS as its build system
[18:09] <NCommander> Which could do it
[18:09] <NCommander> What does debian/rules say?
[18:10] <kb9vqf> NCommander: Yes, I think it might be using CDBS
[18:10] <kb9vqf> NCommander: here's a pastebin of the dpkg-buildpackage: http://pastebin.ca/1462356
[18:11] <NCommander> kb9vqf, debian/rules in the source package is what controls the package build
[18:11] <kb9vqf> NCommander: It is definitely using CDBS--I've been looking through those files, but one file leads to another, and  then to another.....
[18:11] <NCommander> dpkg-buildpackage pretty much calls that to build the package
[18:11] <NCommander> kb9vqf, welcome to CDBS. it makes autoconf look trivial in comparsion
[18:11] <kb9vqf> NCommander: Right, but in this case it is very minimal: http://pastebin.ca/1462357
[18:12] <kb9vqf> NCommander: The debian/rules that is :)
[18:12] <NCommander> Yeah, then its the CDBS rules
[18:12] <NCommander> kb9vqf, what are you trying to do?
[18:12] <kb9vqf> NCommander: I  need to override those default flags entirely to remove all the references to /kde/include
[18:12] <NCommander> Ugh
[18:12] <NCommander> That's a nightmare
[18:13] <kb9vqf> NCommander: I am passing /opt/kde3/include/kde3 to it, but since CDBS got there first, you get the idea :(
[18:13] <NCommander> Oh, for the KDE3 remix or?
[18:13] <kb9vqf> NCommander: Yup
[18:13] <seele> hmm.. a lot of third party vendors dont like to sign their packages
[18:13] <kb9vqf> NCommander: If I just knew what make variable to unset...
[18:13] <kb9vqf> This is K3B we're talking about
[18:14] <NCommander> kb9vqf, its not going to be easy to fix
[18:14] <NCommander> kb9vqf, not without invasive changes
[18:15] <NCommander> kb9vqf, I *think* you can override configure options by specifiying them multiple times
[18:15] <NCommander> i.e. --prefix=/blah --prefix=/blah2
[18:15] <NCommander> (blah2 would take presence)
[18:15] <kb9vqf> In this case it isn't working for whatever reason.  Is there a list of all make variables somewhere?
[18:15] <NCommander> Which means you can use the DEB_EXTRA_CONFIGURE_OPTS (or something like that)
[18:15] <NCommander> kb9vqf, ??
[18:16] <kb9vqf> Well, a list of all variables such as DEB_CONFIGURE_EXTRA_FLAGS, DEB_MAKE_INSTALL_TARGET, etc
[18:16] <NCommander> That's it
[18:16] <kb9vqf> Ughh
[18:16] <NCommander> Its something like DEB_CONFIGURE_EXTRA_FLAGS := *your flags go here*
[18:16] <NCommander> and then hope they come out in the right order.
[18:23] <kb9vqf> NCommander: You were right!  It is in acinclude.m4 after all--my initial search just missed it.  It is also in admin/acinclude.m4.in and admin/cvs.sh
[18:23] <NCommander> kb9vqf, I highly recommend not editing those files because then you need to regenerate the autofun shit
[18:24] <NCommander> kb9vqf, and that can be a nightmare all of in it self, if you can simply append the necessary configure flags, that's the way to go.
[18:24] <kb9vqf> Well, I'm not sure I have much choice.  The lousy configure script is taking only the first parameter, and ignoring the duplicate.
[18:25] <kb9vqf> In certain situations only, such as aRTs detection
[18:25] <kb9vqf> Just to make it more fun!
[18:25] <yuriy> uhoh
[18:25] <NCommander> kb9vqf, *grumble*. Why do you need repackage k3b
[18:25]  * yuriy looks two down on planet at seli's post
[18:25] <NCommander> kb9vqf, I thought the jaunty/karmic version was still based against KDE3
[18:26] <yuriy> oh nvm
[18:26] <yuriy> roman is mentioned there :)
[18:26] <kb9vqf> NCommander: Karmic won't be
[18:26] <kb9vqf> NCommander: And the libraries are not in /opt/kde3, so the user gets to have double the disk usage from kdelibs4
[18:26] <NCommander> kb9vqf, EGRUMBLE
[18:26] <NCommander> :-P
[18:26] <kb9vqf> Hey, it's mostly my hassle, I should be the one grumbling! :)
[18:27]  * NCommander wonders when KDE4 will get to the point that KDE3 is unneccessary
[18:27]  * kb9vqf GRUBLES
[18:27] <NCommander> :-)
[18:27]  * kb9vqf wonders the same thing, but thinks it might be years
[18:27] <kb9vqf> No offense!
[18:27] <apachelogger> opinions about bug 387876 ?
[18:31] <apachelogger> kb9vqf: fork cdbs :P
[18:31] <apachelogger> well, not completely, but the kde.mk file to cdbs-kde3 or something
[18:31]  * kb9vqf spears cdbs with a trident
[18:31] <Riddell> apachelogger: cron isn't terribly useful unless you know how to program and use a command line, in which case a UI isn't really necessary
[18:31] <kb9vqf> There, forked :)
[18:31] <kb9vqf> apachelogger: Yes, I might have to do that
[18:31] <apachelogger> Riddell: my thinking as well
[18:32] <apachelogger> kb9vqf: well, you really just need to edit the kde.mk file
[18:32] <apachelogger> it creates all the arguments
[18:32] <apachelogger> and since we are probably not going to change the kde.mk in cdbs anymore it would really just be a changed copy rather than a real fork anyway
[18:32] <kb9vqf> apachelogger: I'll give that a shot--I could copy kde.mk to the debian directory, rename it, fix it, and include it.
[18:32] <apachelogger> kb9vqf: you just need to change the flags in your kde.mk ... no fiddling with cdbs at all :P
[18:33] <kb9vqf> Thanks for the idea! :)
[18:33] <apachelogger> kb9vqf: well, if you don't mess up that should work just fine, but I really recommend you create a package for it ;-)
[18:33] <apachelogger> we had the .mk files for KDE 4 packages in the debian dir for some time ... was horrible
[18:33]  * kb9vqf thinks about it
[18:33]  * kb9vqf thinks harder about it
[18:36] <JontheEchidna> kcron == useless for most people
[18:36] <kb9vqf> apachelogger: Well, that does allow me to change the flags properly.  I'll put a fixed copy in the kde3 devel package.
[18:38] <kb9vqf> I found a better way!
[18:38] <kb9vqf> DEB_CONFIGURE_INCLUDEDIR := /opt/kde3/include/kde5
[18:38] <kb9vqf> DEB_CONFIGURE_PREFIX := /opt/kde3
[18:39] <kb9vqf> not kde5, kde
[18:40] <apachelogger> Riddell: kcron is on the dvd I suppose?
[18:40] <apachelogger> kb9vqf: if kde.mk honors them it is better indeed ;-)
[18:44] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: did an all fancy reply :D
[18:44] <apachelogger> anyway
[18:44] <apachelogger> gotta go
[18:44] <apachelogger> see you at the meeting
[18:48] <Riddell> apachelogger: yes
[18:55] <shtylman_> yuriy: is the print dialog integratable?
[19:01] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: do we really need bug 220940 around anymore? It seems a bit useless now
[19:02] <Riddell> I suspect it can go
[19:05] <yuriy> shtylman_: not a clue
[19:06] <shtylman_> k..I will ask around...for now I will just focus on the current patches...trying really hard to get something in PPA :)
[20:54] <jussi01> Riddell: or someone who knows, where can we get and test this new OOo shinyness?
[20:55] <nixternal> I hate plasmoids!
[20:55] <nixternal> Plasma.GroupBox + Plasma.RadioButton == PITA!!!
[20:56] <jussi01> nixternal: awww... :D
[20:59] <asraniel> any idea when the debug packages for kde 4.3 beta 2 are going to be fixed in 9.04? there is not much point in testing a beta if i can't get a backtrace..
[21:03] <shtylman_> jussi01: the master branch of go-oo...or wait until I get a PPA going :)
[21:10] <Quintasan> apachelogger: ping
[21:11] <Quintasan> shtylman_: ping me when PPA is ready if you can :)
[21:11] <shtylman_> Quintasan: will do
[21:24] <JontheEchidna> asraniel: they're broken?
[21:27] <freinhard> used to have that timetracking thing in kontact, gone in 4.3 on jaunty. installed ktimetracker, looks like the app i was missing but unfortunately doesn't integrate in kontact any more?
[21:27] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: can die
[21:27] <apachelogger> Quintasan: pong
[21:27] <Quintasan> apachelogger: got a second for explaining Ruby? :P
[21:28] <JontheEchidna> ah, damn. I may miss the meeting tonight :(
[21:28] <apachelogger> Quintasan: what do you need explaind?
[21:28] <apachelogger> as promised I am not too sober anymore :P
[21:28] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: who is going to go for membership then? Oo
[21:28] <JontheEchidna> lex?
[21:28] <apachelogger> well, KC I mean
[21:29] <JontheEchidna> oh, that
[21:29] <Quintasan> apachelogger: I'm trying to execute the code he puts there but one example doesn't work, even copy pasted, I wonder what I'm doing wrong. http://poignantguide.net/ruby/chapter-4.html The part with Hash
[21:29]  * Quintasan is now toying with File::
[21:30] <JontheEchidna> I sorta kinda found out 5 mins ago that my sister has a music recital today at the same time as the meeting :/
[21:30] <apachelogger> Quintasan: which one precisely?
[21:30] <apachelogger> there are multiple hash parts :D
[21:30] <jussi01> JontheEchidna: s blow off the music recital? :D
[21:30]  * jussi01 hugs JontheEchidna
[21:31]  * apachelogger thinks JontheEchidna is doing good on blowing off the meeting though
[21:31] <Quintasan> apachelogger: Making the Swap part
[21:31] <JontheEchidna> ;-)
[21:32] <apachelogger> Quintasan: you need to add the code_words variable defined earier to that file
[21:33] <apachelogger> since the error is probably something like method code_words undefined
[21:33] <Quintasan> apachelogger: I saved this to another file since he uses require 'wordlist' :<
[21:34] <apachelogger>  ah good point :D
[21:34] <asraniel> JontheEchidna: well i can't install them at least, something about broken dependencies on qt debug (wrong version or so)
[21:35] <JontheEchidna> ugh, yet another problem caused by moving from kubuntu-ppa/experimental
[21:35] <JontheEchidna> which I ain't going to fix because I'm not the one who moved the packages there :P
[21:35] <JontheEchidna> plus I don't have time today
[21:36] <JontheEchidna> where's lex when you need a minion...
[21:36] <Quintasan> :3
[21:36] <Mamarok> JontheEchidna: he will be at the meeting :)
[21:37] <JontheEchidna> I won't be though :(
[21:37] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: you should put *evil grin* at the end of last sentence  :P
[21:37] <JontheEchidna> >:3
[21:38] <apachelogger> Quintasan: rather weird TBH
[21:39] <Quintasan> apachelogger: I just pasted the code_words to the right file and it automagically worked, guess someone screwd up :P
[21:39] <apachelogger> well
[21:39] <apachelogger> technically the require should work
[21:39] <Quintasan> apachelogger: but it's not working
[21:39] <neversfelde> so where does pbuilder stores the build log by default
[21:40] <apachelogger> Quintasan: well, make it an instance variable and it will
[21:40] <apachelogger> @code_words
[21:41] <Quintasan> dunno if I linked it here but take a look: http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/bkodama?content=106528
[21:42] <apachelogger> maybe the behaviour of ruby changed since the tutorial was written, but usually a require shouldn't enforce a new object unless the required file suggests one, so any variable should be just added to the self object
[21:42] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[21:42] <javi> Quintasan: you made the bkodama plasmoid?
[21:42] <Quintasan> javi: nah but it's funny and useless which guarantess it a place on my desktop :3
[21:43]  * Quintasan might write his first useful script in ruby
[21:43] <javi> yes it's awesome, my gf was looking straight to the screen for a while just waiting for it to show :D
[21:43] <Quintasan> I'm having problems with compiling it :P
[21:43] <apachelogger> markey: btw, I played little big planet today ... way too awesome
[21:44] <apachelogger> way more awesome than any wii game I played so far
[21:45] <javi> I compiled 0.1 a few days ago and had no problems, I'm going to try the newer version and tell
[21:47] <Quintasan> hmm I think I'm going to put it into my PPA :P
[21:47] <javi> I just compiled it without any problem...
[21:47] <javi> javi@xps1330:~/Software/src/bkodama-0.2.1/build$ make
[21:47] <javi> Scanning dependencies of target plasma_applet_bkodama_automoc
[21:47] <javi> Generating bkodama.moc
[21:47] <javi> [  0%] Built target plasma_applet_bkodama_automoc
[21:47] <javi> [ 33%] Generating ui_bkodamaConfig.h
[21:47] <javi> Scanning dependencies of target plasma_applet_bkodama
[21:47] <javi> [ 66%] Building CXX object src/CMakeFiles/plasma_applet_bkodama.dir/plasma_applet_bkodama_automoc.o
[21:47] <javi> [100%] Building CXX object src/CMakeFiles/plasma_applet_bkodama.dir/bkodama.o
[21:47] <javi> Linking CXX shared module ../lib/plasma_applet_bkodama.so
[21:48] <javi> [100%] Built target plasma_applet_bkodama
[21:48] <javi> ups
[21:48] <javi> sorry
[21:48] <apachelogger> javi: order brain
[21:48] <apachelogger> hm
[21:48] <apachelogger> clearly bot is broken though, which made my script break as well
[21:48] <javi> http://pastebin.ca/1462579
[21:48] <apachelogger> oh dear
[21:48] <Quintasan> apachelogger: wanted to type order brain for javi :P
[21:48] <jussi01> apachelogger: was it on my server?
[21:49] <apachelogger> jussi01: yus
[21:49] <Quintasan> javi: zomg it's alive :P
[21:49] <apachelogger> Quintasan: kinda
[21:49] <jussi01> apachelogger: half of oulus net is down atm, server included
[21:49] <apachelogger> too drunk anyway
[21:49] <apachelogger> oh dear
[21:49] <apachelogger> sue them :P
[21:49] <jussi01> heh
[21:49] <jussi01> apachelogger: bit hard when I get the service for free
[21:49] <javi> what's that order brain you want to make me :D
[21:49]  * Quintasan is staring into his desktop
[21:51] <apachelogger> jussi01: doesn't matter :P
[21:51] <apachelogger> javi: well, that was meant for kubotu, but since it is kinda down
[21:51] <apachelogger> jussi01: btw, I need a fancy init script for the bot
[21:51] <apachelogger> it's kinda annoying to start it everytime manually :D
[21:52] <jussi01> apachelogger: ahh, nice :)
[21:54] <apachelogger> gotta master something up
[21:54] <javi> Quintasan: anyway it seems like it doesn't work right, it doesn't walk and fade anymore. But in the other hand it now makes the moonwalk which is awesome
[21:54] <Quintasan> it walks here, dunno about moonwalk
[21:55] <Quintasan> also "shaking" head
[21:55] <Quintasan> spinning rather :P
[21:55] <javi> I mean it moves horizontally without moving the legs, so moonwalk!
[21:55] <Quintasan> lol
[22:02] <Quintasan> hmm what about pinentry for kde4?
[22:04] <neversfelde> don't we have pinentry Qt4?
[22:04] <ScottK> We do.
[22:06]  * Quintasan notes his pinentry looks Qt3ish
[22:06] <Quintasan> maybe I've done something bad and it's my punishment :<
[22:07] <apachelogger> probably
[22:10] <Quintasan> ok, I know whats wrong
[22:10] <Quintasan> acetoneiso uses pinentry-qt
[22:13] <Quintasan> javi: it fails to build under karmic cause of missing "Phonon/Global"
[22:17]  * shtylman_ is tired on compiling openoffice :)
[22:17] <shtylman_> *of
[22:17] <Quintasan> apachelogger: in jaunty libphonon-dev provides Phonon/Global, but in Karmic there is no such package, and libqt4-phonon-dev doesn't contain Phonon/Global, what should I do? poke upstream of plasmoid?
[22:17] <kwwii> Quintasan: I as thinking about the kdm theme for karmic...you mentioned interest in it, I am more of a designer than a coder, so maybe we could accomplish this together?
[22:17] <kwwii> s/as/was
[22:17] <Quintasan> kwwii: I will need to read some guides on coding but sure :)
[22:18] <apachelogger> Quintasan: probably plasmoid, but better talk to Riddell first
[22:18] <javi> what happened with that kdm as plasmoid project, was it even started?
[22:18] <apachelogger> Quintasan: kdm themes are XML IIRC, so that shouldn't be too difficult
[22:19] <apachelogger> javi: not started AFAIK, also I wonder if that wouldn't slow down kdm startup a lot
[22:19] <apachelogger> plasma depends on a lot more libs for startup than kdm does
[22:19] <shtylman_> meeting in 40 min?
[22:19] <yuriy> I thought it's an hour and 40
[22:19] <shtylman_> maybe...I can never get utc time right :)
[22:20] <apachelogger> DST doesn't help for sure ;-)
[22:22] <javi> can't you make the bot tell the utc time?
[22:22] <apachelogger> !time
[22:22] <Quintasan> shtylman_: date -u for utc time? :P
[22:22] <apachelogger> javi: the bot in -meeting can
[22:23] <shtylman_> hahaha
[22:23] <shtylman_> Quintasan: much appreciated :)
[22:23]  * Quintasan discovered it 35 minutes earlier
[22:23] <yuriy> or an extra checkbox in your plasma clock
[22:23] <apachelogger> Quintasan, shtylman_: you can actually use the plasma clock
[22:23] <nhandler> Would any Kubuntu Ninjas (or other developers) be interested in leading a Packaging Training session on June 18th at 18:00 UTC?
[22:23]  * apachelogger has his clock set to UTC by defautl an switches to local when needed
[22:24] <apachelogger> nhandler: about?
[22:25] <shtylman_> if I had a clock set to UTC ... I would be all sorts of messed up...
[22:26] <Quintasan> woah, thx apachelogger :p
[22:26] <apachelogger> well, I would suppose it works the other way round as well
[22:26] <apachelogger> using local as default and switching to utc upon scroll
[22:26] <Quintasan> fix kubotu since I can't order cookies for you apachelogger
[22:26] <Quintasan> :P
[22:26] <apachelogger> tell jussi01
[22:26] <Quintasan> jussi01: ^
[22:26] <Tonio_> fyi, all packagekit 0.4 branch is uploaded
[22:26] <Tonio_> including kpackagekit
[22:27] <Quintasan> oh, about kpackagekit
[22:27] <apachelogger> Quintasan, shtylman_: just click on the timezones you want to use, in the bottom combobox you can select the default
[22:27] <Quintasan> it always asks for root password, not mine password, what's wrong?
[22:27] <apachelogger> so e.g. if you click only on UTC and use local as default upon scroll on the clock widget it will switch to UTC
[22:27] <Tonio_> Quintasan: hum your user doesn't have permissions
[22:28] <Quintasan> apachelogger: I figured it out, thx for scrolling tip :P
[22:28] <Tonio_> Quintasan: check in policykit perms in systemsettings
[22:28] <Quintasan> Tonio_: how come, gnome backend worked fine (when Qt one crashed)
[22:28] <Tonio_> Quintasan: either your user or the users group needs to have permissions to install
[22:28] <Tonio_> Quintasan: hum.... then I don't understand
[22:28] <Tonio_> Quintasan: are you using karmic or jaunty ?
[22:28] <Quintasan> jaunty
[22:29] <Tonio_> weird...
[22:29] <Tonio_> Quintasan: that reminds me of when policykit-kde was incomplete
[22:29] <Tonio_> I didn't saw that error since then....
[22:29] <Quintasan> I also can't find PolicyKit in systemsettings
[22:29] <Tonio_> Quintasan: have some ppa packages that may override yours ?
[22:30] <Tonio_> Quintasan: then you may not have policykit-kde installed do you ?
[22:30] <Quintasan> both -gnome and -kde installed
[22:30] <Tonio_> Quintasan: purge and reinstall policykit-kde
[22:30] <Tonio_> Quintasan: it is incomplete for some reasons
[22:31] <Tonio_> the kcm module should be there
[22:31] <Quintasan> woah, I'm using policykit 0.0+svn920907-0ubuntu1
[22:32] <Tonio_> Quintasan: do you have the file /usr/share/kde4/services/kcm_pkk_authorization.desktop on your hard drive ?
[22:32] <Tonio_> Quintasan: it doesn't make sense to me you can't find that in systemsettings
[22:32] <Quintasan> nope, no kcm_blabla.desktop
[22:33] <Quintasan> let me check for any "stable" PPA's
[22:33] <Tonio_> and dpkg -L policykit-kde, does it claim you should have it ?
[22:34] <Quintasan> Tonio_: nope, it doesn't
[22:34] <Tonio_> hu ?
[22:35] <Tonio_> Quintasan: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=kcm_pkk_authorization.desktop&mode=exactfilename&suite=jaunty&arch=any
[22:35] <Tonio_> Quintasan: the file *should* be there
[22:35] <Tonio_> Quintasan: as said, purge + reinstall, it should fix
[22:39] <kwwii> Quintasan: cool, once I have a chance to figure out what is really possible and what I think would be good I'll get in touch and we can bounce ideas off each other to figure out what to do
[22:43] <Quintasan> Tonio_: that fixed the problem, thanks!
[22:53] <Tonio_> Quintasan: no pb ;)
[22:53] <Quintasan> hmm webKam is crashing, not good, and I just found my camera
[22:53] <Quintasan> so much tasks found is 5 minutes
[22:53] <Quintasan> :S
[23:02] <Mamarok> hm, meeting?
[23:02] <Quintasan> in one hour
[23:06] <Mamarok> arghs, my clock tells me 23 UTC is now :(
[23:07] <neversfelde> +2 :)
[23:18] <apachelogger> Riddell: if I am right ubuntu beginners meeting is at 23 UTC
[23:18] <apachelogger> at least their google calendar says so
[23:19] <nhandler> apachelogger: That is correct, which is why we are meeting in here
[23:19] <apachelogger> nhandler: k, just was confused because jr's mail said it was in -meeting :D
[23:20] <nhandler> apachelogger: Yeah. I didn't catch the conflict until last night. I put a note in the channel topic here to try and minimize confusion
[23:21] <apachelogger> true :D
[23:21] <apachelogger> didn't read since it looked all the same :D
[23:31]  * shtylman_ likes that his desktop takes only a little over an hour to completely compile open office
[23:31] <neversfelde> are we talking about arora beeing the default webbrowser today?
[23:32] <Quintasan> there was a release with support for flash?
[23:32] <apachelogger> that is handled through qt really
[23:33] <neversfelde> I am really tired and have to wake up early, so I do not know how long I can stay, but I would like to mention, that our default browser should be able to import ssl certs
[23:33] <neversfelde> would someone bring it to attention, if I am not there?
[23:34] <Quintasan> I can
[23:34] <neversfelde> thanks
[23:39] <Quintasan> neversfelde: hmm by importing you mean adding them manually? I've entered wiki.kubuntu.org and Arora asked to whether I want to import a cert or not
[23:41] <apachelogger> Quintasan: that is pretty darn awful
[23:41] <neversfelde> Quintasan: it asks to ignore, but that is poor security practice. You should be able to import e.g. the cacerts root certificate manually
[23:44] <shtylman_> Riddell: I can't stay very long in the meeting...have to be somewhere at 30min past the hour ...is there anything that will be covered that I need to update you on? just incase I am not here...?
[23:49]  * Nightrose would apprechiate a shortish meeting - tiiiiiiiired :D
[23:50] <apachelogger> +1
[23:56] <nhandler> 5 minutes until the meeting. The meeting will take place in here
[23:58]  * kb9vqf agrees with Nightrose ;)