[00:01] tomsdale, "The blur effect has been removed from KDE 4.3 thus making this problem invalid." Well, that's one way to 'fix' things! :) [00:01] actually for virtualbox I'm not sure who is the culprit. It should't bee transparent in the first place. [00:02] tomsdale, it's still managed by kwin, yeah? [00:02] yep. and works perfectly with compiz [00:03] question [00:03] I have debian stable installed in my partition [00:04] if i install kubuntu in a new parition [00:04] and then I make this debian parititon and chroot into it [00:04] and it would be possible to just use this debian stable chroot to host my LAMP stack (for my develpment server) [00:04] I actually considered ditching Kwin for compiz but since I changed to XRender instead of OpenGL performance is much better. [00:04] ? [00:05] ajavid: I don't think you can run the 2 at the same time though. [00:05] sure you can [00:06] have you considered virtualbox ? I use that for my development servers. [00:06] nope [00:06] not gonna virtualize when there is no need to virtualize [00:07] ok, I used chroot only once for a base install, don'T know enough about it. [00:07] I think just mount my debian partition in ubuntu, chroot to it, mount bind /dev and /proc, copy that to my ubuntu fstab and go with it [00:07] I think that would be ok, since I already have lamp isntalled and I only want to play with kde4 [00:07] I think thats a better solution === yml_ is now known as yml [00:10] what's with /usr it would have to be used by both [00:10] why? [00:10] is it safe to upgrade from kubuntu 9.04 / kde 4.2.4 to kde 4.2.90 ( 4.3 beta 2 ) now ?? anyone done that yet ?? [00:11] i want to upgrade , but last upgrade to beta 1 didnt went too well looool [00:13] ajavid: I just don't see how you can start an apache installation from one system in another. Either you will be missing apache dependencies or KDE libraries. [00:13] Szadek: I did the upgrade by mistake and it actually went quite well. No problems so far apart from some minor bugs. [00:14] welll , ill cross my fingers and live dangerously ... i will do the upgrade anyway lool .wish me luck =) [00:17] tomsdale, no man [00:17] you just don't get it [00:18] I think I don't ... :-( [00:19] reading manpage now ... [00:20] http://www.howtoforge.com/chrooted_debian_sarge_lamp_on_ubuntu_desktop [00:20] this may elaborate thigns a bit better [00:20] learn about chroots [00:21] Reading now - thx ajavid [00:21] sure [00:22] its the same as setting up a 32bit chroot inside amd64 ubuntu [00:22] same thing [00:23] or you can install 32bit inside a seperate parition [00:23] configure and setup exactly how you want [00:23] then you make another partition, and install amd64 there, and chroot into your already installed/setup 32bit system [00:24] lots of cool stuf can be done with chroots [00:24] for example, I wanna setup a stable chroot for LAMP [00:24] another for debian sid so i can make my packages and do dev work [00:24] and on the top, have my kubuntu 9.04 kde4 system as a desktop [00:24] hows that for a bit of fried gold? [00:24] ;) [00:25] :-) _ I always used Virtualbox for this. [00:25] virtual box == virtualization == too slow [00:25] way too slow [00:26] true - but for webdevelopment I rather have my virtualbox file I can take everywhere. But I want to give that method a try, looks interesting. [00:28] hi: i can't seem to find how to transfer files to my creative zen from inside amarok 2. Amarok sees the device and shows its contents as a Collection. But how do I move files to it? [00:40] I added tags to some images in gwenview, and ever since, gwenview has been very slow to start up (about 5-10 second delay before gwenview window appears). does anyone know how to remove all tags? where is the tag data stored? [00:46] ok, so i have kubuntu 9.04 installed, when i did 'sudo apt-get update' it didnt show any packages for updating, but the packege kit (the GUI) indicated 3 packages for updating... i installed the packages but i am just wondering if those packages were legit or not? Is my system at risk? [00:49] how do you run /etc/X11/xorg.conf [00:49] ? [00:49] its a text file, is it not? [00:49] Neon_: you don't [00:50] geeko: 'sudo apt-get upgrade' will show upgradeable packages. apt-get update just refreshes the list from your sources and doesn't show upgradeable packages [00:50] i'm on a wiki and it told me to edit it save it and run [00:51] arent bug fixes considered updates and not upgrades? [00:51] or its just terminology [00:51] Neon_: sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf to edit it, or kdesudo kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf if you prefer a gui text editor [00:54] geeko: apt-get commands update/upgrade work as I said. update will update available packages, and the upgrade command will install newer versions of packages you have installed [00:56] yes, i understand what you saying, and my question was, the package kit, showed 3 bug fixes for *update* 'sudo apt-get update [00:56] ' did not show anything [00:57] those are upates [00:57] upgrade is when you up the GRADE of your whole thing [00:57] yeah, exactly [00:57] update is when you simply keep yoru the grade of your whole thing upto date [00:58] hi [00:58] Uh [00:58] I'm trying to install amarok 2.1 on ubuntu [00:58] I tried to add the following to sources.list: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu jaunty main [00:58] ajavid- yeah, not really [00:58] it installs fine but when amarok starts the dialog "Updating system configuration." shows from 0% to 100% and then it starts again from 0% and again and again.... [00:59] I found this page: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159128 [00:59] geeko- apt-get update checks if there are newer versions of packages available (by getting package lists from the repositories), and apt-get upgrade installs any new versions of packages that apt-get update said were available [00:59] it is not about amarok but it describes something similar [01:01] Dragnslcr yes, i understand what you saying, and my question was, the package kit, showed 3 bug fixes for *update* 'sudo apt-get update [01:01] ' did not show anything [01:01] Dragnslcr, that also depends [01:01] full-upgrade vs safe [01:01] thats apt specific [01:01] in general, I was telling him what update vs upgrade mean [01:01] so yes... really. [01:02] ajavid- and you were rather wrong [01:02] no [01:02] I'm not [01:02] ajavid- update does not alter any installed packages, upgrade does [01:02] once again [01:02] you're horrible at reading compresion [01:02] I'll say it once more time [01:02] lol [01:02] !enter | ajavid [01:02] ajavid: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation! [01:02] in general, i spoke about what update vs upgrade it in software terms [01:02] NOT apt/aptitude specific [01:03] geeko- apt-get update won't tell you what new packages are available. KPackageKit does show which packages can be updated [01:03] ajavid- well, since we're discussing apt, what you're saying is highly misleading [01:03] so to answer your question [01:03] bug fixes are updates not upgrades === Paraselene__ is now known as Paraselene_ [01:04] very rarely does one need to actuall upgrade to a new version in order to fix a bug [01:04] but somtimes you have to, depending on how upstream is, its not package specific [01:04] Dragnslcr, it is not misleading [01:04] Yes, it is [01:04] I don't think so [01:05] When discussing apt, the terms "update" and "upgrade" mean very specific things [01:05] What you're talking about is the difference between upgrade and dist-upgrade [01:05] upgrade (safe/full) upgrades the system/packages, while update does not. You are right, but you are arguing with me about the wron thing, because of your perception, or lack therof [01:05] Sigh [01:05] you're assuming what I'm saying relates to apt, when I am speaking in general [01:05] Dragnslcr oh, ok, if thats the case then i dont need to worry that my system might be installing packages from "bad" sources even though the first time i installed kubuntu and run 'sudo apt-get update' it showed several packages for update or upgrade and asked if i wanted to install them, this time it didnt, i had to install it from GUI [01:05] I even said twice, that in general [01:05] but you're just looking to argue [01:05] I'm assuming it because that's what he's asking about [01:05] I don't have the time [01:06] yeah [01:06] you just made an ass out of U and ME [01:06] stop assuming. [01:06] ajavid: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation. [01:06] jeez. [01:06] geeko- sorry about him, I'll try to actually help you now [01:06] lol [01:06] \O/ [01:07] yes sir [01:07] you're absolutely right [01:07] I'm wrong [01:07] does that make you happy? [01:07] does anybody know how to open a konsole _tab_ in konqueror? [01:07] ctrl+shift+N [01:07] halberd, window -> open terminal window [01:08] geeko- I don't think apt-get update shows you which packages have new versions, it just downloads the list. At least that's what happens when I run it now, though there aren't any new versions available [01:08] show term emulator is what its called i think [01:08] ajavid I said a tab [01:08] i have heard it is possible to open a konsole tab in konqueror [01:09] geeko- if you need to upgrade packages from the command line, you want to run both update (to get the new list) and upgrade (to install new versions) [01:09] terminal emulator is not by default a tab [01:09] is there a way to make it a tab? [01:10] geeko- if you use KPackageKit (or the update notifier), the Refresh button is what gets the new list (apt-get update) and "Apply all available updates" installs the new packages (apt-get upgrade) [01:11] halberd, yeh open a new tab and put it there, make the term window stretch all the way to the top [01:11] halberd: have you tried yakuake? [01:12] ajavid if I do that I can't select any other tabs [01:12] Dragnslcr, geeko, aptitude update; aptitude search ?upgradable (aptitude search ~U) [01:12] Dragnslcr, I would recommend that you move to aptitude instead of apt-get [01:13] Dragnslcr yeahi know that kpackagekit is just a gui for the actual commands, so basically they should do the same thing right? anychance that the gui might be downloading from other sources, other than the specified ones? [01:13] Why? KPackageKit works just fine for me [01:13] in fact, if you really knew what you were talking about, you wouldn't even recomment or talk about apt-get [01:13] !info yakuake | halberd [01:13] halberd: yakuake (source: yakuake): a Quake-style terminal emulator based on KDE Konsole technology. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.9.4-0ubuntu1 (jaunty), package size 286 kB, installed size 1632 kB [01:13] if you need to know why to use aptitude instead of apt-get, google for 'why aptitude' [01:13] if you need to see which packages will be upgraded after you do an update, aptitude search ~U [01:13] geeko- no, I can't think of any reason that KPackageKit would use any repositories that aren't in your regular sources list [01:13] halberd: don't pull it all the way to the top. [01:14] aptitude install aptitude-doc-en [01:14] try reading a bit before you assume next time [01:14] kthx. [01:14] it's not what I want binMonkey I was just wondering if it could be a tab [01:14] !ot | ajavid [01:14] ajavid: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks! [01:14] if it can't then I don't prefer it to the ordinary konsole [01:14] how is talking abotu aptitud eot [01:14] please explain this to me [01:14] in the context of the current discussion [01:15] according to man aptitude, 'aptitude update' is equivalent to 'apt-get update' [01:15] im telling you how to view the list of upgradable pckages after an update and before an upgrade [01:15] how is this offtopic? [01:15] geeko- you're right, KPackageKit is just a GUI for apt, so there shouldn't be any functional differences between them [01:15] no pleae, I'm waiting ... [01:15] Dragnslcr, how is this offtoipc? [01:15] Dragnslcr, please enlighten me. [01:16] ajavid: relax. why are you so wounded? [01:16] wounded? [01:17] just wondering, is this how ubuntu community is? [01:17] ajavid: I think you're the smartest, most knowlegeable person in this channel. so relax [01:17] *sigh* [01:17] lol [01:18] fine, this is why the ubuntu support is so ridiculed everywhere else on freenode [01:18] geeko- did I answer your original question well enough for you? [01:18] this is why people come to debian and ask for ubuntu support [01:18] :) [01:18] perhaps you shoudln't be such dicks. [01:18] oh, and try to give good supprot man, which I was trying to do [01:18] Dragnslcr yes yes, and thank you :) [01:18] No problem [01:19] anyway, this is hilarious, noobs supporting noobs, and saying that people who actually know wtf they are talking about are wrong. [01:19] fantastic. keep this up, great work so far. [01:20] but if you think your right or your answer is/would be better instead of waisting time by commenting on how bad the ubuntu community is, why dont you just help the person instead [01:20] you're* [01:21] I did [01:21] I was told that I was being offtoipc [01:21] lol [01:21] or did you not see that [01:21] i saw that [01:21] yet I'm the a-hole. fantastic. [01:21] :) [01:22] btw i dont know if you saw what i said/typed about aptitude earlier [01:22] it says 'aptitude update' is equivalent to 'apt-get update' [01:22] salut [01:22] no, it started with my saying, yeah, a softwar eupdate it minor, just updating bugs fixing things, an upgrade is when you fullyupgrade [01:22] he went off on me, telling me I'm wrong to begin with, which is just hilarious [01:22] and then you saw whatever happened [01:22] anyway, whaetver, worthless [01:23] geeko, sure, I never disagreed with that [01:23] geeko, perhaps you and Dragnslcr should go on google find out what a software update vs. and upgrade means [01:23] !ot [01:23] #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks! [01:23] outside the context of debian/ubuntu [01:24] !ot [01:24] but apt-get upgrade doesnt necessarily upgrade distro, you can specify packages to upgrade [01:24] geeko, yup [01:24] geeko, for that you can use full-upgrade instead [01:24] man aptitude /upgrade [01:24] how is that off topic? [01:25] binMonkey, he think just cuz im usually hyper im seem worked up or upset and he thinks by doing !ot over and over he is like gettting a rise out of me or getting the best of me [01:25] stupid BS irc psychology crap [01:25] useless. [01:28] i dont think i need to do that, simply because they were named simple enough so that a person with some common sense is capable of distinguishing those 2 terms [01:28] geeko- upgrading to a completely new version of the distribution would be done with dist-upgrade [01:28] hi [01:28] what package is responsible for the icons in amarok? [01:29] Dragnslcr yup, i just looked it up [01:29] does xclip work with kde? [01:29] does kde use the X11 clipboard? [01:30] KDE has Klipper, though I'm not sure exactly how it interacts with X [01:32] g0th amarok inherits the kde icons [01:32] g0th, but you can change skins [01:32] dist-upgrade is deprecated [01:33] dist-upgrae is alised to full-upgrade [01:33] please use aptitude full-upgrade or aptitude safe-upgrade [01:33] please use man aptitude to learn the difference [01:34] geeko: but I dont see any icons [01:35] geeko: how do I change the scheme? and what package do I need for the icons? [01:35] s/scheme/skins/ [01:35] You can change the KDE icon set in System Settings -> Appearance -> Icons [01:35] g0th, there is also an #amarok for amarok specific help [01:36] g0th that would be kde-look.org for the skins [01:36] g0th, check amarok to see if amarok i susin a custom icon set (the default it comes with) [01:36] g0th- what icon set do you have selected? [01:36] none? [01:36] g0th, also, you can go to amarok, skins, and click get new skins [01:36] g0th, you can install new skins directly from amarok, however they will NOT contain icons [01:36] I just need some standard icon set [01:36] g0th, kde4 uses oxygen icon theme [01:36] I think some very basic package is missing [01:37] g0th, are you using full kde, or gnome with amarok? [01:37] gnome with amarok [01:37] or something else? [01:37] I figure as much [01:37] install the oxygen icon theme pckage for kde4 [01:37] it should be all good [01:37] I did [01:37] ok [01:37] restart amarok? [01:37] I guess I have to restart amarok? [01:37] no [01:37] because it is scanning the collection atm [01:37] but I will [01:37] ok [01:37] g0th: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation. [01:38] g0th, apt-cache search amarok (install whatever) [01:38] amarok2 is a bit strange man [01:39] im gonna dl the 9.04 kde4 cd [01:41] ajavid: apt-cache didn't help [01:41] its not suposed to help realy except to shwo you all the packages that contain amarok in the title or description [01:42] so if there is somethng else amarok packageed, you can install it, if you need to [01:42] ajavid: ok it seems to work [01:43] ajavid: I guess the oxygen icon pack was the missing thing [01:43] and to restart amarok :) [01:43] that should be a dependency [01:43] perhaps [01:43] file a bugreport please [01:43] I did restart amarok now (collection scan was over) [01:43] not at 2:45 in the morning [01:43] :) [01:43] it's not a dependency though. amarok works fine without the oxygen package [01:44] not really [01:44] afaik it should be suggested or recommended [01:44] you dont see any icon [01:44] let me see [01:44] packages.ubuntu.com [01:44] imo it is a dependency not suggest or recommend [01:44] since the software is clearly not working as expected without [01:45] g0th: what doesn't work? [01:45] the display of the icons [01:45] you just see white background [01:45] imagine eg. a music player where you can't distinguish between "play" and "stop" [01:45] man [01:45] I'm not even on ubntu [01:45] but everything still works [01:46] mefisto__: then you have a strange definition of "works" [01:46] g0th, what says apt-cache rdepends [01:47] its not dependant, it seems to recommend kde kio plugins multimedia [01:47] g0th: what you're talking about is appearance or useability, not functionality [01:47] I'm wondering if somewhere there is should pull in the icons [01:47] if not, file a bug so that it is at least a suggest or recommended apckage for amarok [01:47] mefisto__: well it is a question of definition whether appearance is part of functionality [01:47] mefiso__: imo it is partially [01:48] afaik, amarok comes with its own icon set, all blue icons, very ugly, very nasty [01:48] dunno wtf amarok devs were thinking [01:48] anyway the package from "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu jaunty main" doesnt seem to work on ubuntu without the kde-icons-oxygen package [01:48] ajavid lol, usability instead of eyecandy [01:48] or some other icon package I guess [01:49] usability? [01:49] how does a choice of icon set affect usability? [01:49] yeah [01:49] phonon-backend-xine [01:49] hmm [01:49] please explain this to me [01:50] a fancier icon needs more pixels and therefore if you add all the eyecandy together it will take longer to load the program [01:50] lol, i am just speculating [01:50] not true [01:50] geeko, :) [01:50] cute [01:50] lol [01:53] ok thx for the help [01:53] I go to bed now [01:57] burning 9.04 amd64 [01:57] :D [01:58] hmm in fact, I don't even need to do that do I, but it would be convienient [01:58] I usually like to finish installing my os before I reboot, I coulda just debootstrapped jaunty [01:58] doh. === kevin_ is now known as canadaeh === NvdH is now known as NavadeHo [02:17] I attempted a clean install of 9.04 and somehow have ended up with my old data and a half working machine. I thought it would partition and reformat the hard drive. What went wrong. [02:19] I don't think I am using the nvidia x server anymore either. does one do a config nvidia to get that working again? [02:29] My printer configuration app seems to be broken. Can someone assist? http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3104526.0 [02:52] 66-234-43-141 [03:12] alguien podria ayudarme [03:53] how do I disable shade on a window [03:53] I accidentally enabled it on a window, but now I can't open te menu to disable it [03:54] oh, double click in title bar [03:57] halberd- you can disable that behavior in System Settings -> Window Behavior -> Titlebar Actions [04:07] NIGHT EVERYONE. going to sleep === no is now known as Guest53841 [04:33] hey [04:34] i want too know why my wifi works in ubuntu but when i log out and log into kubuntu my wifi doesnt work [04:49] Is it possible to restart X without causing any programs to close? [04:50] hai any indian [04:53] halberd: if you don't have any running, then yes [04:55] whats wrong with the system tray [04:56] why does it span the entire pannel [04:56] what a waste of space [04:56] why can't it be as large as the containing icons [04:57] muk: that's a know bug, which will be probably fixed in kde4.3 [04:59] ugh [04:59] linux junk [04:59] garbage [04:59] linux never has a good exuse other than darrrr.... it's a bug in the kernel. [04:59] no wander everyone uses windows. [05:00] hhey i have a problem getting my wifi to work in kubuntu but if i were to log out and goto options and switch to gnoome my wifi works just fine [05:01] kubuntu doesnt seem to have a administration menu [05:01] like ubuntu does [05:17] hi, question, What does "BLOCKED UPDATE" mean in kpackageit? [05:18] install synaptic pakage manager [05:18] well, it is not KDE application. [05:18] anyone have any idea why my ip keeps changing back to a dhcp setup even though i have entered the static and if i restart the interface it picks up the static info? === hemathor_ is now known as hemathor === R3DB0x is now known as C00LARR0w [05:20] any ideas? [05:21] And how do I fix this error? W: GPG error: http://ppa.launchpad.net jaunty Release: The following signaturescouldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 6B15AB91951DC1E2 [05:26] !ppagpg | hubar_ 9 [05:26] hubar_ 9: Getting an error about a PPA's GPG key? see https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA#Adding%20a%20PPA%27s%20keys%20to%20your%20system [05:39] I can't switch terminals using ctrl-alt-f2 [05:39] is there some other way? [05:40] ctrl+alt+f1-6 [05:40] (i think its 6) [05:40] yes, that doesn't work [05:41] I remain in kde === yii_kennytean is now known as kt [06:03] sup [06:04] is any one there? [06:04] what's up [06:04] not much [06:05] I use Apt-Get Remove to delete excess junk right? [06:06] Zengol: be careful with it, but yeh more or less [06:06] I'd use aptitude [06:07] Zengol: you may also want to check out the deborphan package [06:07] has anyone gotten dual monitor support working in kubuntu 9 with an ATI All in wonder Radeon 9600? if i install the proprietary drivers, i can't see to do anything when x restarts because it's all out of frequency, tho it looks as if both monitors are working, out [06:07] of frequency anyways [06:08] I just want to do a quick system cleanup of all the useless junk i do not need. [06:08] Zengol: there isn't a "quick" way to do it... [06:08] I have left over application's in my Kicker that i cannot access due to un-installation. [06:08] : / [06:09] Well i got shafted now didn't i? xD [06:09] Zengol: usually, if you restart KDE [06:09] it'll go away [06:09] I've had the same problem [06:09] the contents of the menus is cached somewhere [06:09] xjjk: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation. [06:09] maybe logout/login, I haven't checked [06:09] Ok, i have restarted,. [06:09] I'll try the logging method. [06:09] Brb. [06:11] No luck. : / [06:12] I might have to customize my panel. [06:12] what's the app? [06:12] Oh... [06:12] Totem. [06:12] grr brb again [06:12] Well, actually, a bunch of Gnome product's. [06:12] Zengol: are you sure it's uninstalled [06:12] Oh i am sure. [06:13] you uninstalled with apt/dpkg/something, right? [06:13] I think i will have to manually remove them from my panel in the outcome. [06:13]