[00:01] <ign0ramus> tomsdale, "The blur effect has been removed from KDE 4.3 thus making this problem invalid."  Well, that's one way to 'fix' things! :)
[00:01] <tomsdale> actually for virtualbox I'm not sure who is the culprit. It should't bee transparent in the first place.
[00:02] <ign0ramus> tomsdale, it's still managed by kwin, yeah?
[00:02] <tomsdale> yep. and works perfectly with compiz
[00:03] <ajavid> question
[00:03] <ajavid> I have debian stable installed in my partition
[00:04] <ajavid> if i install kubuntu in a new parition
[00:04] <ajavid> and then I make this debian parititon and chroot into it
[00:04] <ajavid> and it would be possible to just use this debian stable chroot to host my LAMP stack (for my develpment server)
[00:04] <tomsdale> I actually considered ditching Kwin for compiz but since I changed to XRender instead of OpenGL performance is much better.
[00:04] <ajavid> ?
[00:05] <tomsdale> ajavid: I don't think you can run the 2 at the same time though.
[00:05] <ajavid> sure you can
[00:06] <tomsdale> have you considered virtualbox ? I use that for my development servers.
[00:06] <ajavid> nope
[00:06] <ajavid> not gonna virtualize when there is no need to virtualize
[00:07] <tomsdale> ok, I used chroot only once for a base install, don'T know enough about it.
[00:07] <ajavid> I think just mount my debian partition in ubuntu, chroot to it, mount bind /dev and /proc, copy that to my ubuntu fstab  and go with it
[00:07] <ajavid> I think that would be ok, since I already have lamp isntalled and I only want to play with kde4
[00:07] <ajavid> I think thats a better solution
[00:10] <tomsdale> what's with /usr it would have to be used by both
[00:10] <ajavid> why?
[00:10] <Szadek> is it safe to upgrade from kubuntu 9.04 / kde 4.2.4 to kde 4.2.90 ( 4.3 beta 2 ) now ?? anyone done that yet ??
[00:11] <Szadek> i want to upgrade , but last upgrade to beta 1 didnt went too well looool
[00:13] <tomsdale> ajavid: I just don't see how you can start an apache installation from one system in another. Either you will be missing apache dependencies or KDE libraries.
[00:13] <tomsdale> Szadek: I did the upgrade by mistake and it actually went quite well. No problems so far apart from some minor bugs.
[00:14] <Szadek> welll , ill cross my fingers and live dangerously ... i will do the upgrade anyway lool .wish me luck =)
[00:17] <ajavid> tomsdale, no man
[00:17] <ajavid> you just don't get it
[00:18] <tomsdale> I think I don't ... :-(
[00:19] <tomsdale> reading manpage now ...
[00:20] <ajavid> http://www.howtoforge.com/chrooted_debian_sarge_lamp_on_ubuntu_desktop
[00:20] <ajavid> this may elaborate thigns a bit better
[00:20] <ajavid> learn about chroots
[00:21] <tomsdale>  Reading now - thx ajavid
[00:21] <ajavid> sure
[00:22] <ajavid> its the same as setting up a 32bit chroot inside amd64 ubuntu
[00:22] <ajavid> same thing
[00:23] <ajavid> or you can install 32bit inside a seperate parition
[00:23] <ajavid> configure and setup exactly how you want
[00:23] <ajavid> then you make another partition, and install amd64 there, and chroot into your already installed/setup 32bit system
[00:24] <ajavid> lots of cool stuf can be done with chroots
[00:24] <ajavid> for example, I wanna setup a stable chroot for LAMP
[00:24] <ajavid> another for debian sid so i can make my packages and do dev work
[00:24] <ajavid> and on the top, have my kubuntu 9.04 kde4 system as a desktop
[00:24] <ajavid> hows that for a bit of fried gold?
[00:24] <ajavid> ;)
[00:25] <tomsdale> :-) _ I always used Virtualbox for this.
[00:25] <ajavid> virtual box == virtualization == too slow
[00:25] <ajavid> way too slow
[00:26] <tomsdale> true - but for webdevelopment I rather have my virtualbox file I can take everywhere. But I want to give that method a try, looks interesting.
[00:28] <Level15> hi: i can't seem to find how to transfer files to my creative zen from inside amarok 2. Amarok sees the device and shows its contents as a Collection. But how do I move files to it?
[00:40] <mefisto__> I added tags to some images in gwenview, and ever since, gwenview has been very slow to start up (about 5-10 second delay before gwenview window appears). does anyone know how to remove all tags? where is the tag data stored?
[00:46] <geeko> ok, so i have kubuntu 9.04 installed, when i did 'sudo apt-get update' it didnt show any packages for updating, but the packege kit (the GUI) indicated 3 packages for updating... i installed the packages but i am just wondering if those packages were legit or not? Is my system at risk?
[00:49] <Neon_> how do you run /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[00:49] <Neon_> ?
[00:49] <geeko> its a text file, is it not?
[00:49] <Level15> Neon_: you don't
[00:50] <mefisto__> geeko: 'sudo apt-get upgrade' will show upgradeable packages. apt-get update just refreshes the list from your sources and doesn't show upgradeable packages
[00:50] <Neon_> i'm on a wiki and it told me to edit it save it and run
[00:51] <geeko> arent bug fixes considered updates and not upgrades?
[00:51] <geeko> or its just terminology
[00:51] <mefisto__> Neon_: sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf   to edit it, or kdesudo kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf  if you prefer a gui text editor
[00:54] <mefisto__> geeko: apt-get commands update/upgrade work as I said. update will update available packages, and the upgrade command will install newer versions of packages you have installed
[00:56] <geeko> yes, i understand what you saying, and my question was, the package kit, showed 3 bug fixes for *update* 'sudo apt-get update
[00:56] <geeko> ' did not show anything
[00:57] <ajavid> those are upates
[00:57] <ajavid> upgrade is when you up the GRADE of your whole thing
[00:57] <geeko> yeah, exactly
[00:57] <ajavid> update is when you simply keep yoru the grade of your whole thing upto date
[00:58] <g0th> hi
[00:58] <Dragnslcr> Uh
[00:58] <g0th> I'm trying to install amarok 2.1 on ubuntu
[00:58] <g0th> I tried to add the following to sources.list: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu jaunty main
[00:58] <Dragnslcr> ajavid- yeah, not really
[00:58] <g0th> it installs fine but when amarok starts the dialog "Updating system configuration." shows from 0% to 100% and then it starts again from 0% and again and again....
[00:59] <g0th> I found this page: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159128
[00:59] <Dragnslcr> geeko- apt-get update checks if there are newer versions of packages available (by getting package lists from the repositories), and apt-get upgrade installs any new versions of packages that apt-get update said were available
[00:59] <g0th> it is not about amarok but it describes something similar
[01:01] <geeko> Dragnslcr yes, i understand what you saying, and my question was, the package kit, showed 3 bug fixes for *update* 'sudo apt-get update
[01:01] <geeko> ' did not show anything
[01:01] <ajavid> Dragnslcr, that also depends
[01:01] <ajavid> full-upgrade vs safe
[01:01] <ajavid> thats apt specific
[01:01] <ajavid> in general, I was telling him what update vs upgrade mean
[01:01] <ajavid> so yes... really.
[01:02] <Dragnslcr> ajavid- and you were rather wrong
[01:02] <ajavid> no
[01:02] <ajavid> I'm not
[01:02] <Dragnslcr> ajavid- update does not alter any installed packages, upgrade does
[01:02] <ajavid> once again
[01:02] <ajavid> you're horrible at reading compresion
[01:02] <ajavid> I'll say it once more time
[01:02] <geeko> lol
[01:02] <Dragnslcr> !enter | ajavid
[01:02] <ajavid> in general, i spoke about what update vs upgrade it in software terms
[01:02] <ajavid> NOT apt/aptitude specific
[01:03] <Dragnslcr> geeko- apt-get update won't tell you what new packages are available. KPackageKit does show which packages can be updated
[01:03] <Dragnslcr> ajavid- well, since we're discussing apt, what you're saying is highly misleading
[01:03] <ajavid> so to answer your question
[01:03] <ajavid> bug fixes are updates not upgrades
[01:04] <ajavid> very rarely does one need to actuall upgrade to a new version in order to fix a bug
[01:04] <ajavid> but somtimes you have to, depending on how upstream is, its not package specific
[01:04] <ajavid> Dragnslcr, it is not misleading
[01:04] <Dragnslcr> Yes, it is
[01:04] <ajavid> I don't think so
[01:05] <Dragnslcr> When discussing apt, the terms "update" and "upgrade" mean very specific things
[01:05] <Dragnslcr> What you're talking about is the difference between upgrade and dist-upgrade
[01:05] <ajavid> upgrade (safe/full) upgrades the system/packages, while update does not. You are right, but you are arguing with me about the wron thing, because of your perception, or lack therof
[01:05] <Dragnslcr> Sigh
[01:05] <ajavid> you're assuming what I'm saying relates to apt, when I am speaking in general
[01:05] <geeko> Dragnslcr oh, ok, if thats the case then i dont need to worry that my system might be installing packages from "bad" sources even though the first time i installed kubuntu and run 'sudo apt-get update' it showed several packages for update or upgrade and asked if i wanted to install them, this time it didnt, i had to install it from GUI
[01:05] <ajavid> I even said twice, that in general
[01:05] <ajavid> but you're just looking to argue
[01:05] <Dragnslcr> I'm assuming it because that's what he's asking about
[01:05] <ajavid> I don't have the time
[01:06] <ajavid> yeah
[01:06] <ajavid> you just made an ass out of U and ME
[01:06] <ajavid> stop assuming.
[01:06] <FloodBotK2> ajavid: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[01:06] <ajavid> jeez.
[01:06] <Dragnslcr> geeko- sorry about him, I'll try to actually help you now
[01:06] <geeko> lol
[01:06] <ign0ramus> \O/
[01:07] <ajavid> yes sir
[01:07] <ajavid> you're absolutely right
[01:07] <ajavid> I'm wrong
[01:07] <ajavid> does that make you happy?
[01:07] <halberd> does anybody know how to open a konsole _tab_ in konqueror?
[01:07] <geeko> ctrl+shift+N
[01:07] <ajavid> halberd, window -> open terminal window
[01:08] <Dragnslcr> geeko- I don't think apt-get update shows you which packages have new versions, it just downloads the list. At least that's what happens when I run it now, though there aren't any new versions available
[01:08] <ajavid> show term emulator is what its called i think
[01:08] <halberd> ajavid I said a tab
[01:08] <halberd> i have heard it is possible to open a konsole tab in konqueror
[01:09] <Dragnslcr> geeko- if you need to upgrade packages from the command line, you want to run both update (to get the new list) and upgrade (to install new versions)
[01:09] <halberd> terminal emulator is not by default a tab
[01:09] <halberd> is there a way to make it a tab?
[01:10] <Dragnslcr> geeko- if you use KPackageKit (or the update notifier), the Refresh button is what gets the new list (apt-get update) and "Apply all available updates" installs the new packages (apt-get upgrade)
[01:11] <ajavid> halberd, yeh open a new tab and put it there, make the term window stretch all the way to the top
[01:11] <mefisto__> halberd: have you tried yakuake?
[01:12] <halberd> ajavid if I do that I can't select any other tabs
[01:12] <ajavid> Dragnslcr, geeko, aptitude update; aptitude search ?upgradable (aptitude search ~U)
[01:12] <ajavid> Dragnslcr, I would recommend that you move to aptitude instead of apt-get
[01:13] <geeko> Dragnslcr yeahi know that kpackagekit is just a gui for the actual commands, so basically they should do the same thing right? anychance that the gui might be downloading from other sources, other than the specified ones?
[01:13] <Dragnslcr> Why? KPackageKit works just fine for me
[01:13] <ajavid> in fact, if you really knew what you were talking about, you wouldn't even recomment or talk about apt-get
[01:13] <mefisto__> !info yakuake | halberd
[01:13] <ajavid> if you need to know why to use aptitude instead of apt-get, google for 'why aptitude'
[01:13] <ajavid> if you need to see which packages will be upgraded after you do an update, aptitude search ~U
[01:13] <Dragnslcr> geeko- no, I can't think of any reason that KPackageKit would use any repositories that aren't in your regular sources list
[01:13] <binMonkey> halberd: don't pull it all the way to the top.
[01:14] <ajavid> aptitude install aptitude-doc-en
[01:14] <ajavid> try reading a bit before you assume next time
[01:14] <ajavid> kthx.
[01:14] <halberd> it's not what I want binMonkey I was just wondering if it could be a tab
[01:14] <Dragnslcr> !ot | ajavid
[01:14] <halberd> if it can't then I don't prefer it to the ordinary konsole
[01:14] <ajavid> how is talking abotu aptitud eot
[01:14] <ajavid> please explain this to me
[01:14] <ajavid> in the context of the current discussion
[01:15] <geeko> according to man aptitude, 'aptitude update' is equivalent to 'apt-get update'
[01:15] <ajavid> im telling you how to view the list of upgradable pckages after an update and before an upgrade
[01:15] <ajavid> how is this offtopic?
[01:15] <Dragnslcr> geeko- you're right, KPackageKit is just a GUI for apt, so there shouldn't be any functional differences between them
[01:15] <ajavid> no pleae, I'm waiting ...
[01:15] <ajavid> Dragnslcr, how is this offtoipc?
[01:15] <ajavid> Dragnslcr, please enlighten me.
[01:16] <mefisto__> ajavid: relax. why are you so wounded?
[01:16] <ajavid> wounded?
[01:17] <ajavid> just wondering, is this how ubuntu community is?
[01:17] <mefisto__> ajavid: I think you're the smartest, most knowlegeable person in this channel. so relax
[01:17] <ajavid> *sigh*
[01:17] <geeko> lol
[01:18] <ajavid> fine, this is why the ubuntu support is so ridiculed everywhere else on freenode
[01:18] <Dragnslcr> geeko- did I answer your original question well enough for you?
[01:18] <ajavid> this is why people come to debian and ask for ubuntu support
[01:18] <ajavid> :)
[01:18] <ajavid> perhaps you shoudln't be such dicks.
[01:18] <ajavid> oh, and try to give good supprot man, which I was trying to do
[01:18] <geeko> Dragnslcr yes yes, and thank you :)
[01:18] <Dragnslcr> No problem
[01:19] <ajavid> anyway, this is hilarious, noobs supporting noobs, and saying that people who actually know wtf they are talking about are wrong.
[01:19] <ajavid> fantastic. keep this up, great work so far.
[01:20] <geeko> but if you think your right or your answer is/would be better instead of waisting time by commenting on how bad the ubuntu community is, why dont you just help the person instead
[01:20] <geeko> you're*
[01:21] <ajavid> I did
[01:21] <ajavid> I was told that I was being offtoipc
[01:21] <geeko> lol
[01:21] <ajavid> or did you not see that
[01:21] <geeko> i saw that
[01:21] <ajavid> yet I'm the a-hole. fantastic.
[01:21] <ajavid> :)
[01:22] <geeko> btw i dont know if you saw what i said/typed about aptitude earlier
[01:22] <geeko> it says 'aptitude update' is equivalent to 'apt-get update'
[01:22] <laduz> salut
[01:22] <ajavid> no, it started with my saying, yeah, a softwar eupdate it minor, just updating bugs fixing things, an upgrade is when you fullyupgrade
[01:22] <ajavid> he went off on me, telling me I'm wrong to begin with, which is just hilarious
[01:22] <ajavid> and then you saw whatever happened
[01:22] <ajavid> anyway, whaetver, worthless
[01:23] <ajavid> geeko, sure, I never disagreed with that
[01:23] <ajavid> geeko, perhaps you and Dragnslcr should go on google find out what a software update vs. and upgrade means
[01:23] <Dragnslcr> !ot
[01:23] <ajavid> outside the context of debian/ubuntu
[01:24] <ajavid> !ot
[01:24] <geeko> but apt-get upgrade doesnt necessarily upgrade distro, you can specify packages to upgrade
[01:24] <ajavid> geeko, yup
[01:24] <ajavid> geeko, for that you can use full-upgrade instead
[01:24] <ajavid> man aptitude /upgrade
[01:24] <binMonkey> how is that off topic?
[01:25] <ajavid> binMonkey, he think just cuz im usually hyper im seem worked up or upset and he thinks by doing !ot over and over he is like gettting a rise out of me or getting the best of me
[01:25] <ajavid> stupid BS irc psychology crap
[01:25] <ajavid> useless.
[01:28] <geeko> i dont think i need to do that, simply because they were named simple enough so that a person with some common sense is capable of distinguishing those 2 terms
[01:28] <Dragnslcr> geeko- upgrading to a completely new version of the distribution would be done with dist-upgrade
[01:28] <g0th> hi
[01:28] <g0th> what package is responsible for the icons in amarok?
[01:29] <geeko> Dragnslcr yup, i just looked it up
[01:29] <halberd> does xclip work with kde?
[01:29] <halberd> does kde use the X11 clipboard?
[01:30] <Dragnslcr> KDE has Klipper, though I'm not sure exactly how it interacts with X
[01:32] <geeko> g0th amarok inherits the kde icons
[01:32] <geeko> g0th, but you can change skins
[01:32] <ajavid> dist-upgrade is deprecated
[01:33] <ajavid> dist-upgrae is alised to full-upgrade
[01:33] <ajavid> please use aptitude full-upgrade or aptitude safe-upgrade
[01:33] <ajavid> please use man aptitude to learn the difference
[01:34] <g0th> geeko: but I dont see any icons
[01:35] <g0th> geeko: how do I change the scheme? and what package do I need for the icons?
[01:35] <g0th> s/scheme/skins/
[01:35] <Dragnslcr> You can change the KDE icon set in System Settings -> Appearance -> Icons
[01:35] <ajavid> g0th, there is also an #amarok for amarok specific help
[01:36] <geeko> g0th that would be kde-look.org for the skins
[01:36] <ajavid> g0th, check amarok to see if amarok i susin a custom icon set (the default it comes with)
[01:36] <Dragnslcr> g0th- what icon set do you have selected?
[01:36] <g0th> none?
[01:36] <ajavid> g0th, also, you can go to amarok, skins, and click get new skins
[01:36] <ajavid> g0th, you can install new skins directly from amarok, however they will NOT contain icons
[01:36] <g0th> I just need some standard icon set
[01:36] <ajavid> g0th, kde4 uses oxygen icon theme
[01:36] <g0th> I think some very basic package is missing
[01:37] <ajavid> g0th, are you using full kde, or gnome with amarok?
[01:37] <g0th> gnome with amarok
[01:37] <ajavid> or something else?
[01:37] <ajavid> I figure as much
[01:37] <ajavid> install the oxygen icon theme pckage for kde4
[01:37] <ajavid> it should be all good
[01:37] <g0th> I did
[01:37] <g0th> ok
[01:37] <ajavid> restart amarok?
[01:37] <g0th> I guess I have to restart amarok?
[01:37] <g0th> no
[01:37] <g0th> because it is scanning the collection atm
[01:37] <g0th> but I will
[01:37] <ajavid> ok
[01:37] <FloodBotK2> g0th: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[01:38] <ajavid> g0th, apt-cache search amarok (install whatever)
[01:38] <ajavid> amarok2 is a bit strange man
[01:39] <ajavid> im gonna dl the 9.04 kde4 cd
[01:41] <g0th> ajavid: apt-cache didn't help
[01:41] <ajavid> its not suposed to help realy except to shwo you all the packages that contain amarok in the title or description
[01:42] <ajavid> so if there is somethng else amarok packageed, you can install it, if you need to
[01:42] <g0th> ajavid: ok it seems to work
[01:43] <g0th> ajavid: I guess the oxygen icon pack was the missing thing
[01:43] <ajavid> and to restart amarok :)
[01:43] <g0th> that should be a dependency
[01:43] <ajavid> perhaps
[01:43] <ajavid> file a bugreport please
[01:43] <g0th> I did restart amarok now (collection scan was over)
[01:43] <g0th> not at 2:45 in the morning
[01:43] <ajavid> :)
[01:43] <mefisto__> it's not a dependency though. amarok works fine without the oxygen package
[01:44] <g0th> not really
[01:44] <ajavid> afaik it should be suggested or recommended
[01:44] <g0th> you dont see any icon
[01:44] <ajavid> let me see
[01:44] <ajavid> packages.ubuntu.com
[01:44] <g0th> imo it is a dependency not suggest or recommend
[01:44] <g0th> since the software is clearly not working as expected without
[01:45] <mefisto__> g0th: what doesn't work?
[01:45] <g0th> the display of the icons
[01:45] <g0th> you just see white background
[01:45] <g0th> imagine eg. a music player where you can't distinguish between "play" and "stop"
[01:45] <ajavid> man
[01:45] <ajavid> I'm not even on ubntu
[01:45] <mefisto__> but everything still works
[01:46] <g0th> mefisto__: then you have a strange definition of "works"
[01:46] <ajavid> g0th, what says apt-cache rdepends <name of oxygen icon pakage>
[01:47] <ajavid> its not dependant, it seems to recommend kde kio plugins multimedia
[01:47] <mefisto__> g0th: what you're talking about is appearance or useability, not functionality
[01:47] <ajavid> I'm wondering if somewhere there is should pull in the icons
[01:47] <ajavid> if not, file a bug so that it is at least a suggest or recommended apckage for amarok
[01:47] <g0th> mefisto__: well it is a question of definition whether appearance is part of functionality
[01:47] <g0th> mefiso__: imo it is partially
[01:48] <ajavid> afaik, amarok comes with its own icon set, all blue icons, very ugly, very nasty
[01:48] <ajavid> dunno wtf amarok devs were thinking
[01:48] <g0th> anyway the package from "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu jaunty main" doesnt seem to work on ubuntu without the kde-icons-oxygen package
[01:48] <geeko> ajavid lol, usability instead of eyecandy
[01:48] <g0th> or some other icon package I guess
[01:49] <ajavid> usability?
[01:49] <ajavid> how does a choice of icon set affect usability?
[01:49] <geeko> yeah
[01:49] <g0th> phonon-backend-xine
[01:49] <g0th> hmm
[01:49] <ajavid> please explain this to me
[01:50] <geeko> a fancier icon needs more pixels and therefore if you add all the eyecandy together it will take longer to load the program
[01:50] <geeko> lol, i am just speculating
[01:50] <ajavid> not true
[01:50] <ajavid> geeko, :)
[01:50] <ajavid> cute
[01:50] <geeko> lol
[01:53] <g0th> ok thx for the help
[01:53] <g0th> I go to bed now
[01:57] <ajavid> burning 9.04 amd64
[01:57] <ajavid> :D
[01:58] <ajavid> hmm in fact, I don't even need to do that do I, but it would be convienient
[01:58] <ajavid> I usually like to finish installing my os before I reboot, I coulda just debootstrapped jaunty
[01:58] <ajavid> doh.
[02:17] <compilerwriter> I attempted a clean install of 9.04 and somehow have ended up with my old data and a half working machine.  I thought it would partition and reformat the hard drive.  What went wrong.
[02:19] <compilerwriter> I don't think I am using the nvidia x server anymore either.  does one do a config nvidia to get that working again?
[02:29] <JuJuBee> My printer configuration app seems to be broken. Can someone assist? http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3104526.0
[02:52] <yantra> 66-234-43-141
[03:12] <edward_> alguien podria ayudarme
[03:53] <halberd> how do I disable shade on a window
[03:53] <halberd> I accidentally enabled it on a window, but now I can't open te menu to disable it
[03:54] <halberd> oh, double click in title bar
[03:57] <Dragnslcr> halberd- you can disable that behavior in System Settings -> Window Behavior -> Titlebar Actions
[04:07] <John_1_> NIGHT EVERYONE. going to sleep
[04:33] <brian_> hey
[04:34] <brian_> i want too know why my wifi works in ubuntu but when i log out and log into kubuntu my wifi doesnt work
[04:49] <halberd> Is it possible to restart X without causing any programs to close?
[04:50] <siva> hai any indian
[04:53] <trappist> halberd: if you don't have any running, then yes
[04:55] <muk> whats wrong with the system tray
[04:56] <muk> why does it span the entire pannel
[04:56] <muk> what a waste of space
[04:56] <muk> why can't it be as large as the containing icons
[04:57] <m4v> muk: that's a know bug, which will be probably fixed in kde4.3
[04:59] <muk> ugh
[04:59] <muk> linux junk
[04:59] <muk> garbage
[04:59] <muk> linux never has a good exuse other than darrrr.... it's a bug in the kernel.
[04:59] <muk> no wander everyone uses windows.
[05:00] <brian5656> hhey i have a problem getting my wifi to work in kubuntu but if i were to log out and goto options and switch to gnoome my wifi works just fine
[05:01] <brian5656> kubuntu doesnt seem to have a administration menu
[05:01] <brian5656> like ubuntu does
[05:17] <hubar_> hi, question, What does "BLOCKED UPDATE" mean in kpackageit?
[05:18] <Kasm279> install synaptic pakage manager
[05:18] <hubar_> well, it is not KDE application.
[05:18] <R3DB0x> anyone have any idea why my ip keeps changing back to a dhcp setup even though i have entered the static and if i restart the interface it picks up the static info?
[05:20] <hubar_> any ideas?
[05:21] <hubar_> And how do I fix this error? W: GPG error: http://ppa.launchpad.net jaunty Release: The following signaturescouldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 6B15AB91951DC1E2
[05:26] <m4v> !ppagpg | hubar_ 9
[05:39] <halberd> I can't switch terminals using ctrl-alt-f2
[05:39] <halberd> is there some other way?
[05:40] <Kasm279> ctrl+alt+f1-6
[05:40] <Kasm279> (i think its 6)
[05:40] <halberd> yes, that doesn't work
[05:41] <halberd> I remain in kde
[06:03] <jesse__> sup
[06:04] <jesse__> is any one there?
[06:04] <xjjk> what's up
[06:04] <jesse__> not much
[06:05] <Zengol> I use Apt-Get Remove to delete excess junk right?
[06:06] <xjjk> Zengol: be careful with it, but yeh more or less
[06:06] <xjjk> I'd use aptitude
[06:07] <xjjk> Zengol: you may also want to check out the deborphan package
[06:07] <mircman> has anyone gotten dual monitor support working in kubuntu 9 with an ATI All in wonder Radeon 9600? if i install the proprietary drivers, i can't see to do anything when x restarts because it's all out of frequency, tho it looks as if both monitors are working, out
[06:07] <mircman> of frequency anyways
[06:08] <Zengol> I just want to do a quick system cleanup of all the useless junk i do not need.
[06:08] <xjjk> Zengol: there isn't a "quick" way to do it...
[06:08] <Zengol> I have left over application's in my Kicker that i cannot access due to un-installation.
[06:08] <Zengol> : /
[06:09] <Zengol> Well i got shafted now didn't i? xD
[06:09] <xjjk> Zengol: usually, if you restart KDE
[06:09] <xjjk> it'll go away
[06:09] <xjjk> I've had the same problem
[06:09] <xjjk> the contents of the menus is cached somewhere
[06:09] <FloodBotK2> xjjk: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[06:09] <xjjk> maybe logout/login, I haven't checked
[06:09] <Zengol> Ok, i have restarted,.
[06:09] <Zengol> I'll try the logging method.
[06:09] <Zengol> Brb.
[06:11] <Zengol> No luck. : /
[06:12] <Zengol> I might have to customize my panel.
[06:12] <xjjk> what's the app?
[06:12] <Zengol> Oh...
[06:12] <Zengol> Totem.
[06:12] <mircman> grr brb again
[06:12] <Zengol> Well, actually, a bunch of Gnome product's.
[06:12] <xjjk> Zengol: are you sure it's uninstalled
[06:12] <Zengol> Oh i am sure.
[06:13] <xjjk> you uninstalled with apt/dpkg/something, right?
[06:13] <Zengol> I think i will have to manually remove them from my panel in the outcome.
[06:13] <xjjk> yeh
[06:13] <Zengol> I used Adept to uninstall them.
[06:13] <xjjk> wait, it's in the kicker menus
[06:13] <xjjk> or the panel
[06:13] <xjjk> Adept is fine
[06:13] <Zengol> The Kicker menus.
[06:14] <Zengol> So far i see Totem, but is without a name.
[06:14] <xjjk> interesting..
[06:14] <Zengol> Just say's video player above it.
[06:14] <Zengol> I am running 8.10...
[06:14] <Zengol> Lol.
[06:14] <Zengol> I am afraid to upgrade to 9.
[06:14] <xjjk> Zengol: open a terminal, and go to /usr/share/applications
[06:14] <Zengol> Running an Intel GPU.
[06:14] <xjjk> find . -iname "*totem*"
[06:14] <xjjk> Zengol: er, yeah, I'd be afraid to as well
[06:15] <xjjk> 9.04's Intel regressions are *HORRID*
[06:15] <xjjk> I've an Intel GPU and it took a lot of work to make it bearable
[06:15] <Zengol> Well..
[06:15] <xjjk> but other than, 9.04 (especially Kubuntu) is great
[06:15] <Zengol> I tried the live CD i just recieved.
[06:15] <Zengol> And believe it or not.
[06:16] <Zengol> I was capable of making it through the many menu's and directories in it.
[06:16] <Zengol> I might reinstall my xp partition with it and give it a test.
[06:16] <xjjk> I'd like to think you needn't reinstall XP
[06:18] <Zengol> Ok.
[06:18] <Zengol> No Totem in teh directory.
[06:18] <Zengol> I will try it manually in teh Kicker option's.
[06:18] <Zengol> And yeah...
[06:19] <Zengol> Only way i got xp to work properly is with the geek squad cd sadly...
[06:19] <xjjk> Zengol: something is cached somewhere
[06:19] <Zengol> I'm not too worried.
[06:19] <Zengol> I was just wondering if it might be a bug in 8.10 or not.
[06:19] <noaXess> good morning..
[06:20] <Zengol> But oh well.
[06:20] <Zengol> I will just have to do it manually, haha.
[06:20] <noaXess> have upgraded to kde 4.2.90... in system settings / advanced / login manager i can't set anything, cause there is no admin button..
[06:20] <Zengol> Well, thank's for the tip on where to check on it.
[06:29] <jesse__> sup\
[06:35] <albert> hola
[06:45] <Zengol> Well, i am not sure if i should not remove those item's.
[06:45] <xjjk> Zengol: manually, via rm? no
[06:45] <xjjk> I'd reinstall the packages
[06:46] <xjjk> and then make sure they were uninstalled properly
[06:46] <Zengol> I uninstalled them with Adept, when i installed them to begin with, i originally installed Openbox, then i installed Xfce.
[06:47] <Zengol> I also installed Gdesklet's.
[06:47] <xjjk> mm adept should have uninstalled them properly
[06:47] <Zengol> It cleaned up a god size chunk of HDD space.
[06:47] <Zengol> good*
[06:48] <Zengol> Would it be possible to remove the link's from my Kicker without causing any major system impact's?
[06:48] <xjjk> installing GNOME and KDE stuff simultaneously takes up a lot of disk space
[06:48] <Zengol> I noticed.
[06:48] <xjjk> Zengol: well, if your goal was to remove "trash"...
[06:48] <Zengol> I wanted Gdesklet's for one reason. : /
[06:48] <Zengol> YES!
[06:48] <xjjk> if you have files managed outside your package manager, it's definitely trash
[06:48] <xjjk> and it's impossible to find them
[06:48] <Zengol> Oh...
[06:48] <Zengol> Lol.
[06:49] <xjjk> but yes to answer your question, removing them from /usr/share/applications will remove them from Kicker
[06:49] <Zengol> All i know is someone told me a line awhile back that make's the terminal automatically cleanup excess junk.
[06:49] <xjjk> Zengol: just wondering, why did you want gdesklets? what did they offer over plasma?
[06:49] <Zengol> One sec.
[06:49] <Zengol> I shall try to find it.
[06:49] <Zengol> It is called Xirrus.
[06:49] <xjjk> I haven't used gdesklets in years, so I don't remember them doing anything particularly interesting
[06:49] <Zengol> It is a Wi-fi radar mainnly.
[06:50] <xjjk> hrm
[06:50] <xjjk> what's this do over the plasma WiFi appelt
[06:51] <xjjk> I assume you're talking about http://www.gdesklets.de/index.php?q=desklet/view/236
[06:51] <Zengol> Yes.
[06:51] <Zengol> That is it.
[06:53] <xjjk> description is a little spartan
[06:53] <xjjk> don't see what it does that's special
[06:53] <xjjk> I don't want to install all the GNOME crap dependencies to check =/
[06:57] <ajavid> where can I find the gpg key for deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/ppa/ubuntu jaunty main
[06:57] <ajavid> ?
[06:57] <ajavid> http://www.kubuntu.org/
[06:57] <ajavid> KDE 4.2.4 Updates for Kubuntu 9.04
[07:00] <Zengol> Sorry about that.
[07:00] <Zengol> Had to ply guitar hero for wifey... She was having a problem with a song.
[07:00] <Zengol> Ok, what the Applet does.
[07:01] <Zengol> It put's up a radar that will work in decibel's and percentages of output of local wi-fi port's.
[07:01] <Zengol> It also point's out how many feet they are away from you, as well as encryption's type of uplink is available and speed test's on the connection.
[07:04] <ajavid> I also got my debian stable partition chrooted successfully inside 9.04
[07:06] <Zengol> Brasero VS. K3B.
[07:06] <Zengol> What is the benefit's of each one?
[07:06] <Zengol> are*
[07:06] <Zengol> : /
[07:07] <Synthi> Hi there, any Wicd experts here? :-)
[07:09] <ajavid> dunno what it is
[07:09] <ajavid> Zengol, what do you do? make a applet?
[07:10] <xjjk> ajavid: follow the instructions at http://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/
[07:10] <ajavid> xjjk, ok
[07:10] <ajavid> xjjk, i found the key
[07:10] <xjjk> Zengol: how does it know how many feet away access points are...
[07:10] <Zengol> Hell if i know.
[07:11] <Zengol> But it pinpointed my father's router and access point's directly.
[07:11] <xjjk> Zengol: I personally don't have much use in these applets, they're sort of superfluous
[07:11] <xjjk> I usually don't need to know what networks are available
[07:11] <Zengol> Has my home Dlink pinpointed as well.
[07:11] <xjjk> I just want to connect to the strongest one that I have access too
[07:11] <xjjk> which the computer should figure out
[07:11] <Zengol> Wel, same here.
[07:11] <Zengol> I just like having the radar with all the access point info on hand.
[07:12] <Zengol> mac addressing all that good junk.
[07:12] <Zengol> They have it for xp.
[07:12] <Zengol> No need for anything special.
[07:12] <Zengol> It is an actual .exe file.
[07:12] <Zengol> I should have tried to run it in Kubuntu before i got Gnome installed...
[07:16] <SolidLiq> !ping
[07:17] <Zengol> Lol.
[07:17] <Anirban1987> I am planning to set up a HTTP server on my VMware windows. Should I choose DNS Server/Virtual MAchine host ?
[07:17] <Zengol> That's cute.
[07:17] <Anirban1987> while installing ubuntu server
[07:18] <Zengol> Does anyone here se JACK?
[07:18] <Zengol> use*
[07:18] <ajavid> kubuntu 9.04 has locked twice by now, complete system lockup
[07:18] <ajavid> I installed it today
[07:18] <ajavid> :(
[07:18] <Anirban1987> which one to select ?
[07:19] <Zengol> Ajavid: Go with 8.10 if you have serious problem's.
[07:19] <Zengol> I have had to stick with 8.10 for awhile now.
[07:19] <ajavid> I ahve another partition of debian stable, fully confiigured working, which ive chrooted into
[07:19] <ajavid> I'm just using kde4.2.4
[07:19] <ajavid> trying it out seeing how it is
[07:20] <ajavid> I don't plan on using kubuntu for a long time
[07:20] <Zengol> 9.04 is causing me alot of problem's, i stick with 8.10
[07:20] <ajavid> I like kde3.5.10 so I'm sticking with it
[07:21] <ajavid> and the way I see it, debian lenny will support its kde3 packages for about 1 year after lenny becomes oldstable, so thats a long time for squeeze to go stable, so kde3 will be alive for sometime in debian, in ubuntu, its just on 8.10 LTS, even then itsnot really LTS if upstream ends support of it
[07:22] <xjjk> ajavid: just wondering, do you have an Intel GPU
[07:22] <ajavid> so thats why I'm still on debian stable, its nice.
[07:22] <ajavid> xjjk, no
[07:22] <ajavid> ATI Technologies Inc R580 [Radeon X1900 XT]
[07:22] <ajavid> using open source radeon driver
[07:22] <xjjk> hrm
[07:23] <ajavid> debian unstable, 2.6.29 + xorg 7.4 (in fact I've been using xorg 7.4 from its first days in git) with radeon for free 3D on r5xx chipset
[07:23] <ajavid> its been fine, system in debian has never fully locked up like kubuntu does
[07:24] <ajavid> im updating to PPA 4.2.4 bugfix update
[07:24] <xnox> is there a way to change the color gradient of the botompanel
[07:24] <ajavid> lets see if it helps
[07:24] <ajavid> xnox, I think its in a plasma theme
[07:24] <xjjk> xnox: other than selecting another Plasma theme, no
[07:24] <xnox> ajavid: xjjk: ok thanks
[07:25] <xnox> that means I'll have to design a new theme by touching up svg in inkscape
[07:25] <xnox> Oh well =D
[07:25] <ajavid> xnox, http://techbase.kde.org/index.php?title=Development/Tutorials/Plasma/Theme
[07:25] <ajavid> xnox, please consult this
[07:25] <ajavid> xnox, its not that hard
[07:26] <ajavid> just edit an existing theme and save it as a new one
[07:26] <Zengol> !JACK
[07:27] <Zengol> ..
[07:27] <Zengol> Hmm.
[07:27] <kholby> I apologize for asking on the wrong channel, but no one
[07:27] <kholby> I apologize for asking on the wrong channel, but no one
[07:27] <kholby> stupid buttons
[07:27] <Zengol> !jack audio
[07:27] <Zengol> : /
[07:27] <kholby> I apologize for asking on the wrong channel, but no one's answering on vbox. I can't seem to get sound to work in virtual box.  Running xp guest on Ubuntu host.  Tried enabling sound (ALSA host driver, ICH AC97 controller) with no luck.  Any ideas?
[07:27] <ajavid> http://jackit.sf.net/
[07:27] <ajavid> http://www.home.unix-ag.org/arne/jack/
[07:28] <Zengol> =O
[07:28] <Zengol> Thank you ajavid
[07:28] <ajavid> Zengol, google knows a lot of things
[07:28] <ajavid> yw
[07:28] <Zengol> Well, noy want i want to know, lol.
[07:29] <Zengol> not*
[07:29] <ajavid> Zengol, im sure it does, it just takes time to learn how to search effectively
[07:29] <Zengol> I can never start a server for recording in JACK.
[07:29] <Zengol> It does not recognize me as having a server setup for it.
[07:29] <ajavid> Zengol, try ubuntu studio ?
[07:29] <Zengol> Or something like that.
[07:29] <ajavid> everything is setup and configured in ubuntu studio for you
[07:29] <Zengol> I have been thinking abotu trying that actually.
[07:29] <ajavid> you can probably install the package
[07:29] <Zengol> Not sure though.
[07:30] <ajavid> ubuntustudio-audio
[07:30] <ajavid> install this package
[07:30] <Zengol> I have manually installed teh full setup for JACK, but it had all kind's of problem's which i am nowhere near experienced in dealing with.
[07:30] <Zengol> How big is the package?
[07:31] <ajavid> its a meta package
[07:31] <ajavid> it depends on other packages, the actual pacage size is very small
[07:31] <Zengol> keep's asking me if i am root...
[07:31] <ajavid> Zengol, apt-cache show ubuntustudio-audio
[07:31] <ajavid> Zengol, apt-cache search ubuntustudio-audio
[07:31] <Zengol> I don't see why.
[07:31] <ajavid> Zengol, apt-cache search ubuntustudio
[07:31] <ajavid> Zengol, use sudo before the commands
[07:32] <Zengol> oh yeah.....
[07:32] <Zengol> No wonder...
[07:32] <ajavid> :)
[07:32] <Zengol> Lol.
[07:32] <ajavid> and im not sure but i think sudo /etc/init.d/jackd start probably?
[07:32] <Zengol> invalid operation install.
[07:32] <ajavid> never used it so dunno
[07:33] <ajavid> you can't install with apt-cache
[07:33] <ajavid> you install with the famous... apt-get
[07:33] <Zengol> : /
[07:33] <Zengol> I did..
[07:33] <Zengol> aww, crap...
[07:33] <ajavid> sudo apt-get install ubuntustudio-audio
[07:33] <ajavid> ?
[07:33] <Zengol> "Instal"  <--
[07:33] <Zengol> Lol.
[07:33] <Zengol> Forgot an L.
[07:34] <Zengol> Whew.
[07:34] <Zengol> 749 meg's of space.
[07:34] <Zengol> Not bad at all.
[07:34] <ajavid> :)
[07:35] <Zengol> I hope i can actually get functionality out of it instead of the basic crashing of the program.
[07:35] <ajavid> alright, my kde is updated to the ppa 4.2 bugfix
[07:35] <ajavid> lets hope it doesn't lock up again
[07:35] <Zengol> Resolution change lock's up your system?
[07:35] <ajavid> Zengol, random things
[07:35] <Zengol> Ahh.
[07:35] <Zengol> Mine was resolution change.
[07:36] <ajavid> Zengol, its just unstable
[07:36] <ajavid> I'm not complaining, mind you
[07:36] <Zengol> It is KDE 4.2 that does it. : /
[07:36] <Zengol> Oh i know.
[07:36] <ajavid> no, its all of ubuntu
[07:36] <Zengol> I got mine fixed.
[07:36] <Zengol> I would not doubt it.
[07:36] <ajavid> anything not an LTS is really just a so-so stable desktop
[07:36] <Zengol> I started in ubuntu, so i cannot say much.
[07:36] <ajavid> these 6 month releases are ok, but they are not really that great
[07:36] <Zengol> Never got to try anything else.
[07:37] <ajavid> I've been using since 1994
[07:37] <ajavid> debian since 2001
[07:37] <ajavid> ubuntu since whenever, but only here and there every now and again, just to see what the hype is all bout
[07:38] <Zengol> I just want something i can finally replace win with in teh outcome.
[07:38] <Zengol> But so far, there are a few bad thing's i get if i leave it behind.
[07:38] <Zengol> Such as gaming....
[07:38] <ajavid> there is nothing wrong with dual booting windows
[07:39] <Zengol> I know.
[07:39] <ajavid> I personally use xp pro x64 for my games
[07:39] <Zengol> I use xp pro sp3.
[07:39] <Zengol> Only thing i have.
[07:39] <ajavid> I have amd64 debian lenny with stable lamp in a partition which I can use from anywhere, I just chroot into it mount my proc and dev etc.
[07:39] <Zengol> Not lucky enough to be blessed by a 64bit proccy.
[07:40] <Zengol> Lol.
[07:40] <ajavid> I have a core 2 e6300
[07:40] <Zengol> I think mine is a dual core t600.
[07:40] <Zengol> Or something like that.
[07:40] <ajavid> which cpu is it exactly
[07:40] <Zengol> Intel dual core 1,3
[07:40] <ajavid> some pentium 4's also support em64t
[07:40] <Zengol> Err, sorry.
[07:40] <Zengol> 1.73 gig dual core.
[07:40] <ajavid> Zengol, cat /proc/cpuinfo
[07:41] <Zengol> Can;t
[07:41]  * xnox dreams of emacs kpart
[07:41] <Zengol> Downloading JACK.
[07:41] <Zengol> Unless i can open another terminal.
[07:41] <ajavid> Zengol, what does that have to do with cat'ing something
[07:41] <ajavid> Zengol, which is your irc client?
[07:42] <Zengol> Genuine Intel(R) CPU           T2080  @ 1.73GHz
[07:42] <ajavid> Zengol, you coudl try something like /exec -o echo `cat /proc/cpuinfo|grep model` in your irc client
[07:42] <xnox> Zengol: use screen
[07:42] <Zengol> screen?
[07:42] <xnox> !screen
[07:43] <ajavid> http://www.intel.com/products/processor_number/chart/pentium_dual-core.htm
[07:43] <ajavid> ouch
[07:43] <ajavid> 2080 doesn't have em64t
[07:43] <ajavid> bummer bro
[07:43] <ajavid> screen is like a terminal multiplexer, not really a 'window manager'
[07:43] <xnox> and then there are also screen profiles written by someone from Ubuntu it is regular terminal session but you also get text notifications at the bottom about memory usage, cpu, available upgrades and etc
[07:44] <xnox> !screen-profiles
[07:44] <Zengol> I am pleased with my laptops performance, lol.
[07:44] <ajavid> Zengol, let me show you something
[07:44] <Zengol> Best i have ever had... sadly. : /
[07:45] <ajavid> Zengol, http://paste.debian.net/39237/
[07:45] <ajavid> Zengol, 82% Overclock
[07:46] <ajavid> Zengol, and 8GB ram :D
[07:46] <Zengol> Yeah, i had rather not do that.
[07:46] <ajavid> one thing is strange, on debian booted, it shows me 8006 memory total, in kubuntu, it shows me 78xx something
[07:46] <ajavid> it shows lot less
[07:47] <ajavid> I wonder why
[07:47] <Zengol> I know how cpu's are made and i am not taking that chance.
[07:47] <ajavid> if you know what you are doing its ok
[07:47] <Zengol> Kinda jacked up how they do it too, haha.
[07:47] <Zengol> I am on a laptop anyway though.
[07:47] <ajavid> not really, just tweaking individual component performance
[07:47] <ajavid> o yea, i don't condone it for anyone
[07:47] <Zengol> No way i can keep it at a mid ranged temp.
[07:47] <ajavid> especially laptops
[07:48] <Zengol> I would crack my cpu like a walnut.
[07:48] <ajavid> i like walnus
[07:48] <ajavid> i think
[07:48] <Zengol> Lol.
[07:48] <ajavid> Zengol, btw if you try screen, also look into dotfiles.org
[07:48] <ajavid> Zengol, some nifty screen confi examples you can use to customize your screen
[07:49] <Zengol> Hmm..
[07:50] <Zengol> I mainly want to get JACK in an operating position in my case.
[07:50] <Zengol> I am to record my grandfather in-law's country music... O.O
[07:50] <Zengol> How odd could that be, haha.
[07:50] <Zengol> I hate country music...
[07:50] <Zengol> : /
[07:51] <Zengol> Not to mention. I would love to have a full setup for dealing with a wide array of recording option's and formats as well.
[07:53] <Adola> Hi I need some one on one help with setting up a chroot32 for a program...Can someone PLEASE help?
[08:02] <Zengol> Ok, JACK just said i have a "winamp" skin being setup...
[08:02] <Zengol> Do i realy get winamp????
[08:02] <Zengol> Please tell me so.
[08:03] <eddieftw> hey all i have a quick (relatively easy) question. how do I reset the kde4 panels? i ask ubottu but it didnt work out too well
[08:26] <reki> hi
[08:27] <reki> is there anyone here?
[08:27] <reki> hallo?
[08:28] <__-osh-__> hi
[08:30] <kholby> hey
[08:41] <joschi__> hi
[08:43] <Adola> Can someone please help me with a 32 bit chroot in a AMD64?
[09:22] <halberd> what do you use for monitoring your computer's temperature?
[09:23] <halberd> ksensors?
[09:32] <drif> is it bug that dolphin hides info-window when copying something? it's visible for few seconds, then disappears but copy process is still active
[09:36] <makdaknife> drif: I believe that the info window is now a widget that sits in your System Tray with an i in a blue circle...
[09:37] <adam> hi does anyone know how to put flash 10 on firefox 2
[09:37] <makdaknife> drif: so most actions get backgrounded and this contains info about theprocess... its not the best approach imho but afaik that's what you're looking for
[09:38] <drif> makdaknife: yeah, I just discovered I-button.. and there it was
[09:39] <makdaknife> drif: it would be nice to know where the information widget gets its data
[10:30] <max__> ciao a tutti
[11:08] <Harvey8765> Is there a way I can install kubuntu on an old laptop that doesnt have a cd drive?
[11:29] <jado> hi, i've installed kde 4.3 beta and now i have an 'i' (information) icon on my system tray ; how could i get rid of it ?
[11:39] <Guest3548> привет/ подскажите кто-нить как блютусную мышь+клаву законтачить к убунте 9,04... при установке работала, а при работе не пашет
[11:43] <Peace-> hey guys i got a lots of problem with wifi
[11:44] <Peace-> and kde 4.3 beta2
[11:44] <Peace-> any tip?
[11:44] <Peace-> i tried with wicd
[11:44] <Peace-> and knetwork manager
[11:44] <Peace-> and wth it doenst' work
[11:46] <Guest3548> hi, how can i conect blutooth mouse and keybord to my desktop (logitech dinova media keyboard + kubuntu 9.04) ? help plz!
[11:47] <Guest3548> русские есть .? ))
[11:47] <Mamarok> Guest3548: English, please!
[11:48] <Mamarok> !bluetooth
[11:48] <bazhang> !ru | Guest3548
[11:48] <Guest3548> thanx!
[11:48] <Mamarok> bazhang: he already asked in English first...
[11:48] <fiskomi> hallo
[11:48] <fiskomi> bin das 1. mal da
[11:48] <fiskomi> kennt sich wer aus?
[11:48] <fiskomi> :-)
[11:48] <Mamarok> !de | fiskomi
[12:08] <mits> hi... my usb flash drive write speed is much lower on linux than on windows... (1-4mb/s vs 7-10mb/s) any ideas why is that so?
[12:11] <javi> mits: is it ntfs formatted?
[12:13] <mits> javi: fat32
[12:15] <javi> mits: sorry, then I can't help. I've experienced myself some problems working with ntfs
[12:17] <mits> javi: what kind of problems?  (my ntfs-formatted external hd isn't too fast either)
[12:20] <Peace-> f32?
[12:20] <Peace-> omg is very slow
[12:44] <JuJuBee> I burned a dvd to dvd-r and when I put it in my drive (blueray) it doesn't mount and I cannot play it.  What do I need to do?
[12:46] <JuJuBee> http://paste.ubuntu.com/197024/
[12:49] <JuJuBee> It's weird. I have a few custom dvd's all burned the same way and only 1 of them will play...
[13:05] <alessandro_> ciao
[13:24] <hw_> If I open a gpg crypted attchemnt in kmail where does kmail/kgpg store the decrpyted attchment?
[13:32] <dyego> oi
[13:34]  * hmmm is away: Irssi 0.8.13 (Debian 1.1-1ubuntu2) (Using KDE 3.5.10)
[13:47] <afief> Why isn't kcron included in the default kubuntu desktop?
[13:48] <wolfwalker> In kmix how do you monitor audio input from mic port?
[13:48] <wolfwalker> I can turn it up for my recording program (Audacity naturally) but I can't monitor sound input.
[13:53] <ActionParsnip> maybe you need to add the mic as a channel in kmix
[13:53] <wolfwalker> I added all the channels I could find.
[13:54] <ActionParsnip> thats all i got, i dont use a mic
[13:55] <wolfwalker> Mic is set as the capture (not sure what mux does, but it seems to have an effect on volume for capture)
[13:55] <wolfwalker> But I don't have any way to monitor what the mic is putting in.
[13:56] <wolfwalker> Well I'm not using it for a mic per se......... I'm recording old records and burning them to CD.
[13:56] <wolfwalker> Monitoring is kind of essential. :/
[13:56] <ActionParsnip> is the mic muted
[13:56] <ActionParsnip> does it show levels when audio hits it?
[13:57] <wolfwalker> Yes, it records in Audacity fine.  When I play it back it's loud and clear.
[13:57] <wolfwalker> But turning on monitoring in Audacity (a) takes more processor and (b) is delayed.
[13:58] <wolfwalker> And you can't turn monitoring off while recording, you have to stop recording, click monitoring off, start recording again.
[13:58] <wolfwalker> And I don't want to use gnome sound mixer because there's a bug that automatically mutes inputs when you close the mixer window.
[13:58] <wolfwalker> (Never did understand that........)
[14:08] <molecule> Why it does not remember after restart to a 1280 and returns again to 640 Why
[14:08] <molecule> Why it does not remember after restart to a 1280 and returns again to 640 Why
[14:09] <molecule> ?
[14:19] <Bigmerlin> hi leute
[14:19] <jussi01> !de | Bigmerlin
[14:20] <molecule> help me please
[14:21] <molecule> Why it does not remember after restart to a 1280 and returns again to 640 Why
[14:28] <gpf> hi
[14:42] <ToreadorVampire> Jaunty question: Asking here too (apologies to those affected by the cross-posting here and in #kde):  My plasma widgets that display folder contents (like the default Desktop view) have stopped auto-refreshing/updating when the directory contents change since I upgraded to KDE 4.2.4 - is there a known workaround for this?
[14:43] <ToreadorVampire> Now I have to manually right-click » refresh when I want to update the display of the plasma widgets :(  Only happens like that since I went to 4.2.4 AFAICT
[14:48] <molecule> Why it does not remember after restart to a 1280 and returns again to 640 Why
[14:48] <molecule> Why it does not remember after restart to a 1280 and returns again to 640 Why
[15:00] <BluesKaj> Good Day all
[15:07] <jussio1> grumblefish
[15:07] <jussio1> power outages suck.
[15:07] <jussio1> grr, wrong place, sorry
[15:16] <compilerwriter> Good day Blueskaj
[15:22] <BluesKaj> hey compilerwriter
[15:28] <compilerwriter> BluesKaj I goe my backups done, as best I can tell.  Then I tried to do a fresh install.  Somehow I installed over the old despite multiple warnings about the hard drive being repartitioned and loss of data.  What on earth did I do wrong?
[15:35] <BluesKaj> compilerwriter, did you use the auto-install option ?
[15:38] <compilerwriter> I used the auto-install I believe yes BluesKaj.
[15:38] <compilerwriter> Sorry I was looking somehting up.  Did not meant to be away so long.
[15:41] <compilerwriter> Should I use some program to format the hard drive before I try the install or did I do something wrong and the installer cd should be able to handle it?
[15:44] <compilerwriter> be back in a few.
[15:46] <compilerwriter> back
[15:47] <BluesKaj> compilerwriter, I usually setup an ext3 partition in advance using GParted Live cd , then when installing with the kubuntu live cd I choose the manual install option by choosing the ext3 partition previously setup. It will be in the partition table kubuntu looks at before installing the OS
[15:48] <compilerwriter> BluesKaj I just want to format and start over.
[15:49] <BluesKaj> compilerwriter, then I suggest you do the manual install ...it's easier and safer IMO
[15:51] <compilerwriter> Do I then need the alternate iso or no?
[15:56] <BluesKaj> !alternate
[16:01] <BluesKaj> compilerwriter, http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/9.04/
[16:02] <BluesKaj> compilerwriter, ignore the 8.04 post ...the ops have have obviously forgotten to update ubottu
[16:04] <compilerwriter> From the looks of this I should be able to use the regular cd and just do things manually then.  I do have an nvidia graphics card.
[16:04] <Polyculture> does anybody now how to switch on live spellchecking in kile 2.0.81?
[16:06] <Pici> BluesKaj: fixed, removed the mention of that torrent file altogether.
[16:23] <BluesKaj> Pici, thanks :)
[16:29] <ajavid> good morning
[16:29] <ajavid> I woke up
[16:29] <ajavid> kubuntu hasn't crashed yet
[16:30] <ajavid> 4.2 bugfix ppa is working good I suppose
[16:30] <ajavid> yay!
[16:38] <tomsdale> ajavid: how is your CPU behaving?
[16:41] <ajavid> its core 2 e6300 @ 3.00 ghz
[16:41] <ajavid> its ok, nothing bad happens
[16:41] <ajavid> if anything, I'd blame x1900xt, or xorg 7.4
[16:41] <ajavid> other than video I dont' see why anything would lock up
[16:42] <ajavid> like I try to install a package in kpackageit and sysmtem locks up, 100% not even magic sysrq +b would reboot
[16:42] <ajavid> but last night I do a bugfix upgrade, and nwo its been stable
[16:42] <ajavid> yesterday it locked up twice in a few hours
[16:59] <dg_> buenas
[17:00] <Mamarok> !es | dg_
[17:02] <dg_> Anyone can help me with dvb?
[17:11] <kholby> My volume buttons are acting wierd on 9.04.  When I press up, down, or mute, I get the onscreen control, and it does what it's supposed to, but it doesn't actually change the volume.  Anyone had this problem?
[17:12] <Mamarok> kholby: you might need to declare another channel in kmix, this solved the problem for me
[17:14] <kholby> I don't have kmix installed.  Maybe that's part of the issue.  I'll install it.
[17:14] <Mamarok> kholby: you are running Kubuntu, aren't you?
[17:16] <kholby> No, I'm running Ubuntu.  Don't know why I'm on this channel.  Just realized it, sorry.
[17:17] <kholby> This is what it connected me to by default and I didn't think about it.
[17:17] <Mamarok> kholby: if it did connect you by default then you must have a KDE chat client I guess :)
[17:18] <kholby> Yeah, Konversation.
[17:18] <Mamarok> and running Gnome? funny :)
[17:19] <coolbuntu> hi
[17:19] <Mamarok> !hi | coolbuntu
[17:19] <kholby> Well, I'll head to the proper channel.  Thanks for the help.
[17:24] <tomsdale> ajavid: sorry - went for lunch. I had problems with high cpu load which have vanished after switching to XRender instead of OpenGL. Currently trying to find ou what causes this.
[17:25] <ajavid> hm
[17:25] <ajavid> I'm not sure the difference between the two
[17:25] <ajavid> xrender vs opengl
[17:25] <ajavid> I'm just using the opensource radeon driver for 3d accel
[17:25] <ajavid> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI R300 20060815 TCL
[17:25] <Mamarok> ajavid: what graphic card model?
[17:25] <ajavid> I have DRI
[17:26] <ajavid> Mamarok, X1900XT 256 GDDR2 ATI R580chipset
[17:26] <ajavid> GDDR3
[17:26] <tomsdale> I have mobile NVidia. NVS 160m. Crashes with 9.04 if you don't update your driver to latest NVidia.
[17:26] <ajavid> I see
[17:26] <Mamarok> ajavid: well, the radeon driver should work, no?
[17:26] <ajavid> everything is fine :)
[17:27] <Mamarok> ok :)
[17:27] <tomsdale> Mamarok: I was the one bitching :-)
[17:27] <ajavid> tomsdale, don't curse :)
[17:27] <Mamarok> tomsdale: sry
[17:27] <tomsdale> no, not really. Just reported that Xrender gave me better performance than OpenGL.
[17:27] <ajavid> how do you switch?
[17:28] <ajavid> I wonder maybe i might too
[17:28] <Mamarok> well, I still have no 3D for the HD 3650, not in the proprietary driver anymore and no 3D support in the Radeon driver
[17:28] <ajavid> radeonhd will provide experimental 3d accel
[17:28] <ajavid> radeon will not
[17:28] <tomsdale> in System Settings - Desktop - Advanced
[17:28] <Mamarok> ajavid: systemsettings -> desktop - >Desktop effects, last tab
[17:28] <ajavid> (for R60xx+ chipsets)
[17:29] <Mamarok> ajavid: radeon did very well in Intrepid with my card, no need for the radeonhd
[17:29] <ajavid> i got black spots and squars on my monitor now
[17:29] <ajavid> Xrender doesn't work nicely for me
[17:29] <tomsdale> some effects are not available in XRender, noticably magic lamp and blur but the rest seems so much faster.
[17:29] <Mamarok> ajavid: disable DE first, then change
[17:29] <ajavid> DE?
[17:29] <tomsdale> Desktop Effects
[17:30] <ajavid> doesn't work
[17:30] <ajavid> if i disable it, enable it again and pick xrender and apply
[17:30] <ajavid> it goes to off again by itself
[17:30] <tomsdale> I'm also on 4.3 b2. But I think it's more you graphics card driver.
[17:31] <ajavid> now my desktop effects won't even come on on open gl
[17:31] <tomsdale> it has that 8 second test period before it reverts back.
[17:31] <ajavid> what did you do!
[17:31] <ajavid> you broke my computer!
[17:31] <tomsdale> just enable them again in the first tab.
[17:31] <ajavid> i did
[17:31] <ajavid> it goes message error
[17:31] <ajavid> says can't turn on
[17:31] <tomsdale> shortcut for compositing is shift + alt + F12
[17:32] <ajavid> Failed to activate desktop effects using the given configuration options. Settings will be reverted to their previous values.
[17:32] <ajavid> Check your X configuration. You may also consider changing advanced options, especially changing the compositing type.
[17:32] <ajavid> I try to use open gl
[17:32] <ajavid> not xrender
[17:32] <ajavid> now it totally doesn't work and it was working before I tried to switch to xrender
[17:32] <tomsdale> did you hit apply after selecting open gl?
[17:32] <ajavid> c'mon man
[17:32] <ajavid> tomsdale, error mesage coems up AFTEr i hit apply
[17:32] <tomsdale> cheech - I'm sorry. I never had that.
[17:34] <tomsdale> ajavid: restart KDM. I think it's the current system settings window which bogs up.
[17:34] <ajavid> it lockkd up my entir esystem
[17:34] <ajavid> I had to reboot
[17:34] <ajavid> hard reboot
[17:34] <ajavid> now still, I pick open gl and desktop effects error message
[17:35] <ajavid> it stopped working
[17:35] <Dragon_Master> wow, haven't been here in a while
[17:35] <tomsdale> ok, let's take a step back. your're on 4.2.4 currently&
[17:35] <ajavid> yes
[17:35] <Dragon_Master> anyone know how to change a directory from read only to r/w
[17:36] <tomsdale> and it says open GL or xrender under advanced?
[17:36] <ajavid> direct rendering: Yes
[17:36] <ajavid> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI R300 20060815 TCL
[17:36] <Dragnslcr> Dragon_Master- in Dolphin, or in a shell?
[17:36] <ajavid> tomsdale, both
[17:36] <ajavid> I hit the defaults button
[17:36] <ajavid> all settings go back to kde/kubuntu default
[17:36] <ajavid> I check enable desktop effects
[17:36] <Dragon_Master> Konsole
[17:36] <ajavid> go to last tab just to make sure its open gl
[17:36] <ajavid> and it is
[17:36] <FloodBotK2> ajavid: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[17:36] <ajavid> I hit apply, and i get error mesage
[17:36] <Dragnslcr> Dragon_Master- chmod
[17:37] <Dragon_Master> didn't work -_-
[17:37] <Dragnslcr> Dragon_Master- define "didn't work"
[17:37] <tomsdale> did you change anything with direct rendering?
[17:37] <Dragon_Master> I tried it earlier
[17:37] <ajavid> Dragnslcr, pleae provide better support next time
[17:37] <ajavid> Dragnslcr, what permission do you want the directory to be
[17:37] <Dragon_Master> and when I tried to do what I was doing before, "Read Only Filesystem"
[17:38] <Dragnslcr> Dragon_Master- did you get an error message?
[17:38] <Dragon_Master> no
[17:38] <ajavid> Dragon_Master, you want, rw for yourself, sure, but what about group rw, or others rw?
[17:38] <Dragon_Master> so it just didin't change it
[17:38] <Dragnslcr> Dragon_Master- do you own the directory?
[17:38] <Dragon_Master> I just want to be able to rm it :P
[17:38] <Dragon_Master> I'm the only account on the computer
[17:38] <ajavid> Dragon_Master, ls -l /directory here
[17:38] <ajavid> Dragon_Master, show me the permissions on this direc
[17:38] <ajavid> i wanna see perms and owner info
[17:38] <Dragon_Master> and the directory is a external MicroSD that only used on my computer and Mp3
[17:38] <Dragnslcr> Dragon_Master- there are other accounts, even if you're the only normal user
[17:39] <Mamarok> ajavid: behave, please!
[17:39] <ajavid> ?
[17:39] <ajavid> how am I not behaving? I'm trying to help the person
[17:39] <Dragnslcr> Dragon_Master- ls -al will show you the current permissions and owner
[17:39] <tomsdale> ajavid: I have to go to the post office but be back in 20 minutes. Is it possible by changing to XRender some of the Open GL settings changed?
[17:39] <nikitis> I need help setting up a network printer in kubuntu.  I browsed it using the wizard, it sees the printer, and verify's it.  when the printer name, description, location, pop up and i hit next i get an error that says not authorized, password may be incorrect.  I'm using IPP. no password is necessary.
[17:39] <Mamarok> ajavid: 18:37 < ajavid> Dragnslcr, pleae provide better support next time
[17:40] <ajavid> Mamarok, thats good advice for us all.
[17:40] <Dragon_Master> current permissions are jon and root :P
[17:40] <Mamarok> ajavid: well, it's not a nice behavior
[17:40] <ajavid> Mamarok, I'm sorry, I'm not responsible for your perception.
[17:40] <ajavid> Mamarok, if you would like to believe I mean ill will, feel free to do so.
[17:41] <Dragnslcr> Dragon_Master- what's the first string of characters on the line? Should start with something like drwx
[17:41] <Mamarok> ajavid: just keep on topic
[17:41] <Dragnslcr> Dragon_Master- or just the entire line
[17:41] <ajavid> Mamarok, please keep it on topic too
[17:41] <Dragon_Master> " drwxr-xr-x "
[17:42] <ajavid> Dragon_Master, your perms look ok, like I said, could you paste ls -l for that particular dir, want to see the owner info
[17:42] <ajavid> perms are fine, you may not be the dir owner, thus you can't delete it
[17:42] <Dragnslcr> Dragon_Master- hm, if you own the directory, you should have write permission. Are you trying to delete that directory, or some other directory inside it?
[17:43] <Dragon_Master> the whole directory and it's contents
[17:43] <ajavid> Dragon_Master, rm -rf /path/to/dir
[17:43] <ajavid> Dragon_Master, if you're not the owner, it won't do much good unless you append sudo before it
[17:43] <ajavid> or do it as root
[17:44] <Dragnslcr> Dragon_Master- okay, sanity check time. Do 'whoami' on the command line
[17:44] <ajavid> or set youself as the owner first by doing chown -R username /path/to/dir
[17:44] <ajavid> or set youself as the owner first by doing chgrp -R username /path/to/dir
[17:44] <ajavid> and then you can delete it
[17:45] <Dragon_Master> rm: cannot remove `/media/disk/filename ` Read-only file system
[17:45] <ajavid> ok
[17:45] <ajavid> Dragon_Master, can you put the output of this
[17:45] <ajavid> Dragon_Master, sudo mount -l
[17:45] <nikitis> Anyone?
[17:45] <ajavid> Dragon_Master, more than likely, you've mounted the thing as a read-only file system so you wont' be able to remove anything
[17:45] <ajavid> its in read only mode
[17:46] <Mamarok> Dragon_Master: is this a ext3 formatted disk you are trying to access?
[17:46] <Dragon_Master> i don't know ><
[17:46] <Dragnslcr> Dragon_Master- you said it was an SD card?
[17:46] <Dragon_Master> there are only 3 directories of 23 that have done this
[17:46] <Dragon_Master> the other 20 works finely
[17:47] <Mamarok> Dragon_Master: I think you could have a character mismatch
[17:47] <Dragnslcr> So you can write and remove files in other places on the card, but not this specific directory?
[17:47] <Dragon_Master> yes
[17:47] <Mamarok> do you see aloo the characters of the filenames correctly when you do the ls command?
[17:47] <Dragon_Master> yes
[17:48] <Mamarok> Dragon_Master: the files in the directories also?
[17:48] <Dragon_Master> yes
[17:49] <nikitis> Can someone hold my hand and walk me through this printer setup?  i'm getting errors i can't find answers to.
[17:50] <Dragnslcr> nikitis- wish I could, but I've only done local printers, and they've always automagically worked
[17:51] <nikitis> Dragnslcr: well it sees the printer, but when i go to finalize the setup it says not authorized.  But this isn't a windows smb setup, it's using ipp
[17:51] <ajavid> I feel myself getting dumber and dumber and stupider the more time I spend in this channel. Good bye.
[17:52] <Dragnslcr> nikitis- the only guess I would have is that you need to run the setup with root permissions, but that's just a guess
[17:52] <squinkles> I'm trying to install 9.04 in oem mode for a client. I downloaded the alternate-amd64 iso, burned it, but there is no oem install option anymore! Is there documentation for oem installs?
[17:52] <Dragon_Master> ugh
[17:53] <nikitis> Dragnslcr: what's the command to load up the gui setup so i can do it as root
[17:53] <Mamarok> Dragon_Master: do you want to remove all the content of the SD card?
[17:53] <Dragon_Master> yes
[17:54] <Mamarok> Dragon_Master: is it from a camera or a media player? Then you can simply format it with the device
[17:54] <Dragon_Master> Media Player
[17:54] <Dragnslcr> nikitis- are you doing it through System Settings -> Printer Configuration ?
[17:54] <nikitis> Dragnslcr: yes
[17:55] <Dragnslcr> nikitis- kdesudo systemsettings, but be careful not to mess up anything else there
[17:55] <Mamarok> Dragon_Master: you should just reformat it from the media player, so you can be sure it's readable again there
[17:56] <Mamarok> as formatting removes all the content
[17:56] <Mamarok> and it will format in the correct filesystem the driv can read
[17:58] <nikitis> Dragnslcr: that was it ;)  Thanks
[17:58] <Dragnslcr> It got the printer setup?
[17:59] <Dragon_Master> can't format it with Media player
[18:00] <nikitis> Dragnslcr: it allowed me to set it up.
[18:01] <squinkles> Is it even possible to do an oem install with 9.04? I can only find documentation for the 8.04 oem installs and earlier.
[18:02] <Dragnslcr> nikitis- well, if that works, maybe it does need root privileges. Might want to write to the mailing list or open a bug report that the printer setup isn't using sudo when it needs to
[18:03] <Mamarok> squinkles: you should ask Canonical, as they handle the OEM stuff
[18:04] <squinkles> Mamarok: how do I do that?
[18:07] <Mamarok> squinkles: moment, I point you to somebody
[18:07] <Riddell> hi squinkles, yes OEM install should work
[18:07] <Riddell> you just select it at the CD boot menu
[18:07] <Riddell> do your install as normal
[18:07] <Riddell> next boot will let you setup the computer
[18:08] <squinkles> Riddell: There is no OEM option. I downloaded the alternate CD as directed @ https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuOEMInstaller but it does not have an oem install option
[18:08] <Riddell> run the oem setup and next boot after that will prompt the user with the first run setup
[18:08] <Mamarok> Riddell: thanks a lot :)
[18:08] <Riddell> squinkles: hmm, is it hidden in the F6 menu?
[18:08] <squinkles> The problem is that, as of 9.04, I can't find the oem install option. It used to be on the alt cd.
[18:09] <squinkles> Riddell: Nope. It has expert mode, acpi abilities, and that's about it.
[18:10] <Riddell> squinkles: I can burn a CD and check
[18:10] <genii-around> I noticed the same thing also, just figured it was something by design (no more oem install)
[18:10] <squinkles> Riddell: Thank you! :)
[18:10] <Dragnslcr> Did the OEM option get moved to the regular CD or the DVD?
[18:10] <Dragnslcr> I vaguely remember seeing that option, and I know I didn't use the alternate CD
[18:11] <squinkles> Dragnslcr: I wish I knew. It'll take me a long time to download and burn all of those, and I only have 1 blank cd left.
[18:11] <Dragnslcr> I have the disc, but unfortunately I don't have another computer to put it in
[18:11] <Riddell> it is on the desktop CD as well now
[18:11] <vbgunz> KDE 3 applications have a horrible shadow everywhere they go... is there a way to remove that shadow?
[18:12] <squinkles> Dragnslcr: That's fine. Don't waste your time. I'm going to go ahead and download/burn the desktop CD.
[18:12] <squinkles> Riddell, Dragnslcr, Mamarok: thanks for your help! This room is always very friendly and helpful :)
[18:12] <Dragon_Master> I give up -_-
[18:13] <Dragnslcr> Dragon_Master- still giving you trouble?
[18:13] <Mamarok> squinkles: you are welcome :)
[18:13] <Dragon_Master> mhm
[18:13] <Dragon_Master> -_-
[18:13] <Mamarok> Dragon_Master: he needs to wipe the drive for use in a media player
[18:14] <Dragnslcr> Dragon_Master- do you happen to know what filesystem the player uses?
[18:15] <Dragnslcr> I think most SD cards are still FAT16 or FAT32, aren't they?
[18:15] <makdaknife> Dragnslcr: usually by default, but you can format them however you like
[18:15] <Mamarok> yes, I think so, mine here for the camera are fat32, but for media players I don't know, depends on the model I guess
[18:16] <makdaknife> Dragnslcr: of course your device may no longer recognise the card if you format ext3 :-P
[18:16] <Dragnslcr> makdaknife- heh, yeah, that's the tricky part
[18:16] <makdaknife> Dragnslcr: fat32 is usual though
[18:17] <Mamarok> well, it should be able to handle at least fat16, maybe even fat32, you can still reformat if not
[18:17] <Dragnslcr> I suppose I could be a bit less lazy and check one of my cards
[18:17] <jussio1> rofl
[18:17] <SinDerEla> <<< first timer on konversation
[18:17] <JuJuBee> I Just added deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu jaunty main to my sources so could install amarol 2.1.  Now I have a KDE Control Module window saying I have blocked updates.  Why are they blocked?
[18:17] <Dragon_Master> I bought it brand new
[18:17] <SinDerEla> just like mirc
[18:18] <Dragon_Master> so how can I reset it to factory format
[18:18] <Dragon_Master> -_-
[18:18] <makdaknife> Dragnslcr: the mark of a good admin is that the admin is lazy...
[18:21] <SinDerEla> can i ask a question
[18:22] <Pres> hello somebody that can help ith my wireless settings under kubuntu 9.10?
[18:22] <Dragnslcr> SinDerEla- of course
[18:22] <Dragnslcr> SinDerEla- that's why we're here
[18:23] <SinDerEla> i just plugged it in
[18:23] <SinDerEla> how do i list all the servers
[18:23] <SinDerEla> like Undernet and Dalnet
[18:23] <greg> Hello All, Running KRDC and I lost my menubar, ya know, File View,Setting,,,How do i get it back? right clicked everwhere in the window
[18:24] <Dragnslcr> SinDerEla- using Quassel?
[18:24] <Mamarok> Dragnslcr: , Pres: support for Karmic is in #ubuntu+1
[18:24] <SinDerEla> Konversation
[18:25] <Mamarok> Dragnslcr: sry, wrong nick
[18:25] <SinDerEla> i tried to add and edit
[18:25] <SinDerEla> but the server ports dont connect
[18:26] <Dragnslcr> SinDerEla- I don't know if Konversation comes with a network list, but you might be able to find one with Google
[18:26] <SinDerEla> so i used the default to get here
[18:26] <SinDerEla> no list
[18:26] <Dragnslcr> What did you put in the list for a server?
[18:26] <SinDerEla> yes i googled Dalnet and tried
[18:27] <SinDerEla> Jade
[18:27] <SinDerEla> no luck
[18:27] <SinDerEla> shouldnt there be a list enclosed already
[18:27] <SinDerEla> click and join
[18:27] <Dragon_Master> I checked my Konver, no list
[18:27] <Mamarok> SinDerEla: you can get channel lists with Konversation, but you need to be connected to the network
[18:27] <Dragon_Master> :P
[18:28] <SinDerEla> what network?
[18:28] <Dragon_Master> Mamarok: Server List, not Channel :P
[18:28] <Mamarok> oops...
[18:28] <SinDerEla> i need to get to Dalnet to get a channel list
[18:28] <Pres> anybody that knows why there is [4] behind my wepkey hen I type iwconfig?
[18:29] <Mamarok> Pres: you should address Karmic questions to #ubuntu+1
[18:29] <SinDerEla> i thought it would have the servers in a list like on mirc
[18:29] <SinDerEla> but it looks like i have to add each individually
[18:30] <SinDerEla> then make a guess at what port to use
[18:30] <Dragon_Master> SinDerEla: If you want, you can always install kvIRC
[18:30] <Dragon_Master> it comes with a server list :)
[18:30] <SinDerEla> whats that?
[18:31] <Dragon_Master> It's another IRC application, that you can get with adept
[18:31] <Dragon_Master> It's similar to mIRC too :)
[18:31] <SinDerEla> can i add in  applications  add programs?
[18:32] <Dragon_Master> What package manager do you use?
[18:32] <tsimpson> something being similar to mIRC is not exactly a selling point imo
[18:32] <Mamarok> sounds like adept
[18:32] <SinDerEla> ubuntu 9.10
[18:32] <Dragnslcr> SinDerEla- so you have jade.fl.us.dal.net for a server and 6667 for a port?
[18:32] <SinDerEla> ya
[18:32] <SinDerEla> didnt connect
[18:32] <Dragon_Master> yes
[18:32] <Dragon_Master> Add Programs
[18:32] <Mamarok> !karmic
[18:33] <Dragnslcr> SinDerEla- try another server, maybe. It might be just that server
[18:33] <SinDerEla> all on port 6667?
[18:33] <Mamarok> SinDerEla: that's the most likely, yes
[18:34] <SinDerEla> just copy and paste servers till one works
[18:34] <Mamarok> else you should find conection instructions on theri website
[18:34] <Mamarok> their*
[18:34] <SinDerEla> ok
[18:34] <SinDerEla> a lot of work to it
[18:34] <SinDerEla> thanks guys
[18:36] <wizardslovak> can i install dual boot windows but still leave my kubuntu?
[18:36] <Dragnslcr> wizardslovak- yes, but Windows will most likely overwrite Kubuntu's boot loader, so you'll have to fix it afterwards
[18:36] <wizardslovak> how to resize hard disk?
[18:36] <wizardslovak> ok
[18:37] <wizardslovak> first i need to make some space for windows
[18:37] <Mamarok> you need to free a partition though
[18:37] <Dragnslcr> You can use gparted or partitionmanager to change the disk partitions
[18:37]  * Dragnslcr really wishes partitionmanager would put a K in the name
[18:37] <wizardslovak> ok where is partition manager located?
[18:38] <tsimpson> !partition
[18:39] <Dragnslcr> wizardslovak- that's the name of the package
[18:39] <Dragnslcr> !info partitionmanager
[18:39] <wizardslovak> so i gotta install it first
[18:39] <Dragnslcr> Yup
[18:40] <Dragnslcr> And when it doesn't do anything when you run it, just be patient. It takes a few minutes for it to start
[18:40] <wizardslovak> damn you gotta love apt-get heheh
[18:41] <danilo> ciao
[18:41] <wizardslovak> if i install xp , i wont be able run kubuntu unless i run it from cd right? then install grub loader ?
[18:42] <Mamarok> !grub
[18:42] <Dragnslcr> Yeah, check that first link
[18:43] <wizardslovak> i know what grup is!!!! i just want to make sure thats the way to do it tho
[18:44] <Mamarok> wizardslovak: calm down :)
[18:44] <wizardslovak> i am down lol
[18:45] <konrad_> Anyone who has the problem (and hopefully a solution to) that digiKam shows no pictures?
[18:45] <Dragnslcr> Hehe, we're just lazy. It's easier to get the link from the bot than to find it ourselves
[18:45] <wizardslovak> ok so i am in partition manager, i see my hd , i cant resize tho , if i want to unmount it i cant
[18:47] <Dragnslcr> Yeah, you can't modify partitions that are mounted
[18:47] <Dragnslcr> If it's the only hard drive, you'd have to do it from a LiveCD
[18:47] <wizardslovak> ok
[18:48] <wizardslovak> can i do it from ubuntu cd?
[18:49] <Dragnslcr> Yeah, the Ubuntu LiveCD probably has gparted installed already
[18:50] <wizardslovak> ok before i do it
[18:50] <wizardslovak> i run live cd , what should i look for then?
[18:50] <Heliwr> hi all, general linux question: someone is claiming that installing linux broke their laptop in such a way that they can no longer boot from CD - bios still looks the same and when selecting cd as the only boot option the laptop still boots straight into the hard drive linux install.
[18:50] <wizardslovak> partition manager> or is there other manager?
[18:50] <Heliwr> this seems exceedingly improbable to me, is it even possible?
[18:50] <Dragnslcr> It would have gparted
[18:51] <wizardslovak> thats command?
[18:51] <Dragnslcr> That's the name of the program, yeah
[18:52] <Dragnslcr> Heliwr- seems pretty unlikely to me, too. When the BIOS goes to boot from CD or hard disk, it has no idea what operating systems are installed
[18:52] <Dragon_Master> I'm going to kill this little thing
[18:52] <Dragon_Master> -_-
[18:52] <Dragnslcr> Dragon_Master- nuke it from orbit, it's the only way to be sure
[18:52] <Dragon_Master> ><
[18:52] <Mamarok> Heliwr: could be a defective CD
[18:52] <Heliwr> That's what I thought - while it would be technically feasible for a linux install to overwrite the bios why would any distro try?
[18:52] <tsimpson> Heliwr: if the BIOS was set to boot from the CD (and the CD was bootable), the linux boot loader wouldn't even start up
[18:53] <Mamarok> Heliwr: in theory, but that would need flashing the bios, this is never done accidentaly
[18:54] <Heliwr> Thanks for confirming my thoughts on the matter
[18:55] <tsimpson> it would also require the distro to know exactly what motherboard and previous BIOS version the user had, which is less than likely
[18:56] <Heliwr> Agreed, I'm suspecting that he simply had the enormous bad luck to have his cd or cd drive go bad around the same time - he's going to try booting into a usb image now
[18:56] <Mamarok> Heliwr: Murphy strikes again :(
[18:57] <Heliwr> It just bugs me to hear someone blaming linux for that, there are plenty of reasons to dislike linux for valid reasons without spreading fud like that
[18:59] <zer0o> hi guys tryin to read a cd from my burner, yesterday was working today doesnt work, nothing modified, no reasons, why cant i read it? (no permission it says) who touched anything???
[19:00] <zer0o> here's the output of sudo pmount http://paste.ubuntu.com/197213/
[19:00] <zer0o> help
[19:05] <eshat> Hi all,... what is the QT Programm for scanning ? I mean a program that uses libksane ? xsane installs gimp and a lot of other GTK thinks.
[19:05] <Mamarok> zer0o: it is mounted read only, you might not have the necessary permissions
[19:06] <zer0o> Mamarok: but how come it was working till 5 mins ago? i dont get it
[19:06] <eshat> I am looking for the KDE 4 Scan Program ?
[19:07] <zer0o> i modified my fstab like 1 year ago, that file gave me a real hard time but in the end all the drives were working, cd included, and they all worked for 1 year, now the burner is not working anymore, i didnt modify anything... any idea?
[19:07] <zer0o> anyway how do i mount it read and wirte?
[19:08] <Mamarok> eshat: tried Krita?
[19:08] <eshat> Mamarok: ahh thanks
[19:09] <Mamarok> zer0o: if the drive is in your fstab you dn't have to mount it normally
[19:09] <Mamarok> zer0o: what Kubuntu version do you use?
[19:09] <eshat> Mamarok: but where is the scan function ?
[19:11] <zer0o> 8.04, indeed i don't usually mount it when i put a cd in it auto-mounts it and the icon appears on the desktop, which happened this time as well but it won't let me open it or write it
[19:12] <Mamarok> eshat: I don't know, Krita was just my guessing. Try asking in #kde, not sure there alredy is a scanner frontend in KDE4
[19:12] <Mamarok> zer0o: you are suing KDE 3.5?
[19:12] <Mamarok> using*
[19:12] <Mamarok> oops :)
[19:14] <zer0o> yes
[19:18] <Mamarok> zer0o: I haven't used KDE 3.5 in a while, sorry, I will not be of much help here
[19:19] <zer0o> ive got kde4 on my other pc and there's not much of a difference talkin about technical stuff
[19:19] <zer0o> anyway thanks
[19:20] <kurumin> boa tarde a todos
[19:21] <Unksi> !br | kurumin
[19:23] <Dragnslcr> Mamarok- sorry that I'm late, but the scanning program I use is skanlite, in case anyone else asks. Dunno why it isn't installed by default
[19:25] <zer0o> UDF-fs: No partition found (1) -> could this be the prob?
[19:26] <zer0o> this is my cd rom in the fstab /dev/scd0 /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,utf8,atime,noauto,rw,dev,exec,suid 0 0
[19:27] <zer0o> is there something wrong with it? its always been like this and it always worked
[19:30] <sil3nt|warri0r> is there any good desktop capture program for kubuntu
[19:30] <sil3nt|warri0r> or for kde ?
[19:33] <abdullah> in kubuntu if you close the desktop can you open it back?
[19:33] <sil3nt|warri0r> close the desktop ?
[19:36] <abdullah> ok i closed it
[19:36] <abdullah> how do i open it?
[19:37] <Synthi> abdullah, don't know if im right but try to type "startx" or "kdestart" in your console
[19:37] <Synthi> oh..
[19:37] <Synthi> too late
[19:37] <Synthi> abdullah, don't know if im right but try to type "startx" or "kdestart" in your console
[19:38] <abdullah> it dont work
[19:39] <abdullah> synthi do you have kubuntu
[19:39] <Synthi> i have, but im not the kubuntu expert ;)
[19:39] <Synthi> i just used google
[19:40] <abdullah__> synthi  close the desktop
[19:40] <Synthi> abdullah, ?
[19:41] <claydoh> abdullah: what specifically do you mean by "closedesktop"?
[19:41] <claydoh> abdullah: what steps are you taking to do this?
[19:42] <greg> abdullah, The desktop is a widget, add it by right clicking
[19:43] <abdullah> it comes in a small window and it cant be used as a desktop
[19:43] <halberd> is it possible to have a Terminal window that has no border at all visible, just text right on the desktop?
[19:43] <halberd> I can disable the window border but it still has a border
[19:43] <abdullah> no
[19:43] <mikel> hello?
[19:44] <abdullah> i cant chat in the ubuntu irc caN YOU
[19:44] <claydoh> abdullah: right-click, select 'add widgets' an look for 'folder view'
[19:44] <halberd> are you sure? you've tried?
[19:44] <zer0o> when trying to manually mount my cd rom cuz itz not working thatz the output "mount: block device /dev/scd0 is write-protected, mounting read-only" how do i solve it? already checked the fstab and itz exactly how it waz 1 year ago when i first compiled it, and for 1 year everything worked, whatz going on? any idea?
[19:44] <greg> abdullah, can you hear me??
[19:44] <mikel> I've never used an IRC channel before, but I just installed Kubuntu 9.04 and can't figure out how to change my screen resolution to 1280x800 (what it should be on my laptop)
[19:45] <mikel> I've tried following forums and nothing works
[19:45] <abdullah> is there any kubuntu expert
[19:45] <claydoh> abdullah: did you try what
[19:45] <claydoh> I suggested ?
[19:45] <embosol> hi
[19:47] <mikel> Can someone direct me to help? (getting kubuntu to change screen resolution.. the GUI doesn't let me go past 800x600)
[19:47] <mikel> I've followed forums and googled for way too long and have found nothing of use (followed alot of different terminal commands exactly and nothing works)
[19:47] <abdullah> is kubuntu useing the same kde as ubuntu
[19:48] <claydoh> abdullah: yes
[19:48] <Unksi> abdullah: ubuntu and kubuntu share the same repositories, so yes
[19:50] <greg> i use kde4.2.2 menu to setting >display, also in terminal to see what your running for video card $lspci -vvv
[19:54] <mikel> I think this is what you mean...? (part of the output from lspci -vvv) 00:06.0 IDE interface: nVidia Corporation MCP67 IDE Controller (rev a1) (prog-if 8a [Master SecP PriP])
[19:54] <ubuntuexpert> ubuntu
[19:54] <ubuntuexpert> anyanswer
[19:55] <mikel> :(
[19:58] <greg> mikel, did you get my last post?
[20:05] <halberd> what do I use to open gzpostcript?
[20:05] <halberd> mimetype is application/x-gzpostcript
[20:08] <halberd> ah, kghostview
[20:13] <Peace-> guys
[20:14] <Peace-> i have made my own iso of kubuntu
[20:14] <Peace-> i have added medibuntu repository so i can share it or not
[20:14] <Peace-> ?
[20:16] <Mamarok> Dragnslcr: sorry, was afk, didn't remember skanlite
[20:17] <Mamarok> Peace-: sorry, I don't understand your question
[20:18] <Peace-> Mamarok: i said... i have made my own iso of kubuntu. with codecs preinstalled , kdenlive , blender 2.49 konversation ... ffmpeg + unstripped stuff .
[20:18] <Peace-> Mamarok: so now i have uploaded on megaupload
[20:19] <Peace-> can i share it ?
[20:19] <Peace-> or not
[20:19] <Mamarok> Peace-: be careful with that, some codecs are proprietary, so you expose yourself to license violation
[20:19] <Mamarok> in some countries at least
[20:20] <Peace-> infact it's that the issue
[20:20] <olskolirc> someone say my name please
[20:20] <kaddi> olskolirc:
[20:20] <Peace-> olskolirc:
[20:20] <Mamarok> Peace-: you shouldn't without a lawyers advice I think
[20:20] <kaddi> :D
[20:21] <Peace-> Mamarok: what sick stuff i hate codecs xD
[20:21] <Mamarok> Peace-: sorry, we all suffer from that I think :(
[20:21] <olskolirc> thanks Peace- and kaddi
[20:22] <Peace-> Mamarok: well my iso is pretty xD  25 minutes and you get everythings http://imagebin.ca/view/QfBXUZ5.html
[20:23] <Mamarok> Peace-: please, do not advertize it here!
[20:27] <Peace-> well.. i have just post a screenshot!
[20:32] <Mamarok> Peace-: stil advertising, don't do this again
[20:33] <Peace-> what?
[20:33] <Peace-> i have only said
[20:33] <Peace-> .
[20:33] <Peace-> stop
[20:33] <Peace-> so if u are stressed you should leave irc
[20:34] <Mamarok> Peace-: topic, please, and no, I am not stressed
[20:36] <paju> hola
[20:36] <kaddi> hola :)
[20:38] <kaddi> anyone using the spanishradio script for amarok? Does it work? It won't play any station on the list on my PC :(
[20:39] <Mamarok> kaddi: which Amarok version?
[20:39] <kaddi> Mamarok: 2.0.90
[20:40] <Mamarok> kaddi: you should upgrade, 2.1 is released and 2.1.1 is imminent
[20:40] <JuJuBee> I upgraded to amarok 2.1 today and aplied some seemingly harmless updates after adding the backports to get amarok 2.1 and after a restart, I cannot log in... Get a message about a greeter widget not installed, check configuration...
[20:41] <kaddi> Mamarok: In which repo is it? It says its up to date with latest version from ubuntu main packages
[20:41] <Mamarok> JuJuBee: did you add third party widgets to KDE?
[20:41] <Mamarok> kaddi: check here for the backports PPA repository: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/amarok-2.1
[20:42] <kaddi> Mamarok: is 2.1 able to read CDs?
[20:42] <JuJuBee> Mamarok: no
[20:42] <Mamarok> kaddi: not yet, this is due in 2.2, already in SVN
[20:42] <JuJuBee> I installed amarok 2.1 and performed the updates and restarted...
[20:43] <Mamarok> JuJuBee: you can not log into KDE, right?
[20:43] <JuJuBee> Correct.  Found this...  http://albertech.net/2009/04/kde-how-to-fix-no-greeter-widget-plugin-loaded-error/
[20:43] <Mamarok> JuJuBee: what upgrades did you make?
[20:44] <JuJuBee> I do not remember them all, but I recall there being one to kdebase-workspace
[20:44] <JuJuBee> There wre about 38 updates
[20:44] <Mamarok> JuJuBee: so you did upgrade to 4.2.4 at the same time I guess
[20:44] <Mamarok> JuJuBee: adding the kdebase metapackege shoud fix that
[20:45] <Mamarok> *package
[20:45] <viable-tadesse_> my system crash after
[20:45] <viable-tadesse_> rt_sigprocmask(SIG_SETMASK, NULL, [RTMIN], 8) = 0
[20:45] <JuJuBee> I don't really know for sure.  I will try the suggestion on that link.
[20:45] <viable-tadesse_> rt_sigsuspend([]
[20:45] <viable-tadesse_> any idea why?
[20:45] <JuJuBee> Have to logout to do that.  Hopefully be back from linux with good news....
[20:45] <JuJuBee> Keep fingers crossed...
[20:45] <Mamarok> !paste | viable-tadesse_
[20:46] <viable-tadesse_> sorry
[20:46] <viable-tadesse_> !paste ! Mamarok
[20:46] <drif> can gnome and kde co-exist? I mean do I ask for any trouble (as my friend insists) if I install both desktops?
[20:46] <Mamarok> viable-tadesse_: what version of Kubuntu/KDE and what were you doing before the crash?
[20:46] <viable-tadesse_> Mamarok: iots not Kubuntu/KDE
[20:46] <Mamarok> viable-tadesse_: what system do you use then?
[20:46] <viable-tadesse_> its embedded but I was hoping someone have seen this kind of crash
[20:46] <Laeborg> !libtcl.so
[20:47] <viable-tadesse_> Embedded Linux(monta vista)
[20:47] <Mamarok> viable-tadesse_: then you should check with the distributor of that version I think
[20:47] <viable-tadesse_> right but IRC is just accessible
[20:47] <viable-tadesse_> any IRC rooms better suited for embedded systems?
[20:48] <Mamarok> viable-tadesse_: is it ubuntu based?
[20:48] <kaddi> Mamarok: I added that backport, but it offers way more updates then just amarok.. can I tell kubuntu to only look for amarok in there?
[20:49] <Mamarok> kaddi: you can choose with the package manager what you want to install, yes
[20:49] <olskolirc> can someone tell me how I can send vbox to the system tray please?
[20:49] <kaddi> Mamarok: yes, but can I block all other upates from there? so if I do a sudo apt-get upgrade I don't get all the backport stuff but only amarok?
[20:49] <viable-tadesse_> Mamarok: nope
[20:50] <Mamarok> viable-tadesse_: what is it based upon then?
[20:50] <Mamarok> kaddi: instead of accepting all proposed upgrades, you can open the package manager and choose only those you want to upgrade
[20:51] <viable-tadesse_> its an embedded system using the Embeded linux( Monta vista)
[20:51] <Mamarok> viable-tadesse_: sorry, I don't know this, you should google for more information then or check with the distributor of that system
[20:52] <JuJuBee> Mamarok: That seemd to do the trick.  One small problem ... my panel settings are back to defaults... I had a bunch  of apps in my panel (quick launch) and they are gone
[20:52] <viable-tadesse_> Mamarok: thanks for the help
[20:52] <kaddi> Mamarok: yes I know that. :) But I was wondering if I can set the package manager in a way that it will only accept updates for amarok from backport or if I will have to always deselect all the backportupdates from now on
[20:53] <Mamarok> JuJuBee: you can add those back I think
[20:53] <JuJuBee> Sure, just a pain... Why they gone in first place?  Desktop settings  (appearance) also default...
[20:53] <Mamarok> kaddi: just don't use the upgrade notifier, open the package manager and choose yourself
[20:54] <Mamarok> JuJuBee: did you remove your .kde/ folder?
[20:54] <JuJuBee> I did not, no...
[20:54] <Mamarok> JuJuBee: hm, maybe the upgrade removed some configuration stuff then, not good :(
[20:56] <JuJuBee> I agree, I did a backup just before I upgraded, should I restore the backup of my .kde folder?
[20:56] <JuJuBee> or will that cause other issues?
[20:56] <Mamarok> no, that would be worse IMHO
[20:56] <JuJuBee> That's what I thought... K
[20:56] <JuJuBee> I can deal with this...
[20:58] <JuJuBee> Another question unrelated to this incident.  My nVidia X Server Settings app in kmenu has default ? icon,  how can I restore it?
[20:59] <JuJuBee> I have tried Right-click on kmenu and menu editor, but when I go there, the icon is correct.
[20:59] <nikitis> How do I print a "windows" contents such as alt+printscreen to save to a picture editing program?  alt+printscreen doesn't seem to work in kde
[21:00] <JuJuBee> nikitis: kmenu->applications->graphics->ksnapshot
[21:00] <Mamarok> JuJuBee: maybe the link in the menu is wrong then, try editing the menu, right click on the K button
[21:00] <nikitis> JuJuBee: don't have it
[21:00] <JuJuBee> nikitis: try from command line
[21:01] <Mamarok> nikitis: you can install it, it's in the repositories
[21:01] <kaddi> Mamarok: sorry for being such a pain in the ass... :/  But I really like the updatenotifier and I don't have the time to go through now over 90 updates to find out which one is form backport and which one isn't. So just using adept manager or something similar isn't really a solution for me. If there is no way of blocking the non-amarok packages from backport I think I'll just stick to my current version and accept that I can't listen to
[21:01] <kaddi> radio or cd (or switch to a different musicplayer ;) )
[21:01] <Mamarok> nikitis: then you can start it with Alt+F2
[21:01] <JuJuBee> Mamarok: the command is correct.  I verified it points to a valid app
[21:02] <Mamarok> kaddi: it will arrive in the regular backports soon anyway, so just be patient :)
[21:02] <nikitis> Mamarok: is there a way to assign alt+printscreen to start ksnapshot?  or just printscreen?
[21:02] <Mamarok> JuJuBee: try resetting the icon, maybe the icon is not set correctly
[21:03] <Mamarok> nikitis: yes, you can, systemsettings -> Keyboard&Mouse
[21:03] <JuJuBee> Hmm, I changed to another icon and when I try to switch back, browse shows nothing...
[21:03] <nikitis> Mamarok: when I hit just printscreen it says KDEInit could not launch '/usr/bin/ksnapshot'
[21:03] <JuJuBee> sorry, other iconss
[21:04] <Mamarok> nikitis: you need to set Alt+PrntScrn in the shortcuts to ksnapshot first
[21:04] <Guest30699> i use sysrq for print screen
[21:05] <nikitis> Mamarok: not seeing printscreen under actions in the systemsettings -> keyboard& mouse settings
[21:05] <Mamarok> Guest30699: I don't think so, no
[21:05] <JuJuBee> Any idea where the icon would be on the hd?  /usr/share/icons/ ?
[21:05] <Mamarok> nikitis: moment, I'll check my settings...
[21:06] <ubunturoot> i cant log in as root
[21:06] <javi> lol
[21:07] <ubunturoot> i cant login with the root user
[21:07] <Mamarok> ubunturoot: well, of course, you shouldn't do that
[21:07] <Mamarok> ubunturoot: what are you trying to do as root?
[21:08] <ubunturoot> install some programes
[21:08] <Mamarok> ubunturoot: you are using Kubuntu 9.04?
[21:09] <ubunturoot> Mamarok: yes i am useing ubuntu 9.04
[21:09] <Mamarok> ubunturoot: with Gnome?
[21:09] <ubunturoot> yes mamarok
[21:09] <Mamarok> nikitis: check in the global shortcuts
[21:10] <Mamarok> ubunturoot: then you should look for help in #ubuntu, here is for Kubuntu support only
[21:10] <ubunturoot> i mean how do i login as the root user do anyone knows?
[21:10] <Mamarok> ubunturoot: you do not login as root, and please ask in #ubuntu on how to install packages
[21:11] <Mamarok> how often has he changed his nick again?
[21:11] <JuJuBee> When I used to edit a menu item and clicked the other icons radio button there were many in the box below.  Now there are none...
[21:11] <nikitis> Mamarok: hmm it says alt+print for Window Screenshot to clipboard.  Yet when i hit ctrl+v to paste into picture editing program, i get nothing
[21:12] <abdullah> i am ubunturoot
[21:12] <abdullah> #ubuntu
[21:12] <Mamarok> nikitis: it should be Ctrl+Print IMHO, in the Kwin section
[21:12] <nikitis> Mamarok: ctrl+print is for whole desktop.  I only want 1 window
[21:12] <nikitis> Mamarok: which is alt+print
[21:13] <Mamarok> hm, it's Ctrl+Print here...
[21:13] <nikitis> Mamarok: however when i select a window and hit alt+print, then ctrl+v to paste it into gimp, it says there is no image data in the clipboard to paste.
[21:14] <Mamarok> nikitis: then there is a mismatch of the shortcut somewhere, let's see...
[21:14] <nikitis> Mamarok: same error with ctrl+print
[21:17] <nikitis> Mamarok: yeah says "Window Screenshot to Clipboard > Alt+Print"
[21:18] <Mamarok> nikitis: that seems to be a problem with Qt, as I get an error message when I try to set something else to that button
[21:18] <nikitis> Mamarok: for me it seems it's not saving those images to klipboard
[21:19] <nikitis> Mamarok: and I didn't set it to alt+print.  it was there by default
[21:19] <Mamarok> nikitis: it does nothing for me, but I always use ksnapshot with Alt+F2 anyway
[21:20] <nikitis> Mamarok: too many keys.  It should be as simple as alt+print to snapshot the current window.
[21:20] <Mamarok> and it tells me the key is not usable by Qt, so maybe a keyboard layout error
[21:20] <nikitis> every OS does that
[21:20] <Mamarok> nikitis: I know, but we probably have hit a bug here...
[21:20] <nikitis> I shouldn't have to run ksnapshot via a run cli.
[21:20] <nikitis> Mamarok: i'd say so
[21:21] <JuJuBee> Does right-click on kmenu and menu editor edit the new style menu items or the classic?  I found the nvidia-settings icon in pixmaps and set it but it did not change.
[21:21] <Mamarok> JuJuBee: the current menu normally
[21:22] <Mamarok> JuJuBee: try right click on the menu item and add it to favorites, just to see if the icon appears there
[21:23] <JuJuBee> nope
[21:23] <ytoox> I can't find the network settings interface program
[21:23] <ytoox> maybe it's uninstalled, where can I find it
[21:23] <ytoox> ?
[21:24] <JuJuBee> I just created a brand new item and set the icon to the /usr/share/pixmaps/nvidia-settings.png and it got that ? default icon also...
[21:25] <nikitis> Mamarok: why would kdeinit say it couldn't load ksnapshot?
[21:25] <Mamarok> nikitis: maybe it's alreday running or it is not installed
[21:25] <Mamarok> ytoox: go to systemsettings -> Network
[21:26] <Mamarok> ytoox: you are using Kubuntu 9.04, right?
[21:26] <JuJuBee> Mamarok: if I add to panel I get the correct icon... weird...
[21:26] <Mamarok> JuJuBee: indeed
[21:27] <nikitis> Mamarok: i can run ksnapshot via alt+f2, but I get the error message that it cannot run it when i hit just "printscreen"
[21:27] <ytoox> Mamarok: yes
[21:27] <ytoox> Mamarok: but it opens a different interface than this one
[21:27] <ytoox> http://www.moixo.com/es/sharing-files-folders-from-ubuntu-to-mac-os-x
[21:27] <Mamarok> nikitis: told you, there seems to be a bug in Qt it can not use that button, key mapping error somewhere
[21:28] <nikitis> Mamarok: so how do we fix it?  Or is there somewhere better to report this to, to get fixed?
[21:28] <Mamarok> ytoox: of course, the applications you see in this blog are from Gnome, not KDE
[21:29] <Mamarok> nikitis: I don't think we can, you should check bugs.launchpad.net if this is already reported
[21:29] <fer2fhc> hola
[21:29] <Mamarok> nikitis: I will ask the devs tonight
[21:29] <Mamarok> !es | fer2fhc
[21:29] <fer2fhc> :O
[21:29] <fer2fhc> gracias
[21:30] <Mamarok> de nada :)
[21:30] <nikitis> Mamarok: ok
[21:31] <fer2fhc> #ubuntu-es
[21:32] <bigos> hi
[21:32] <fer2fhc> hi
[21:32] <bigos> is there any way to switch off that thing, when plasma effects are shutting down due to temporary cpu hugh load
[21:32] <bigos> ?
[21:32] <bigos> *high
[21:34] <Mamarok> bigos: you can change your power settings in Systemsettings -> AdvancedTab -> Power Management
[21:34] <mikel> hello?
[21:34] <bigos> Mamarok: thank you
[21:34] <Mamarok> !ask | mikel
[21:34] <Mamarok> bigos: yaw :)
[21:35] <mikel> sorry, I was typing "hello?" because I wasn't sure if my IRC client was sending correctly...
[21:35] <bigos> Mamarok: omg lol wtf, if you excuse my 4chanish, i was looking there but never notices the "advanced" tab ;(
[21:35] <Mamarok> bigos: now you know it is there :)
[21:35] <bigos> yup, thanks
[21:37]  * jussi01 waves to Mamarok
[21:37] <mikel> Can anyone help me install a driver for my nVidia 7150M video card? I'm trying to change my screen resolution. I downloaded the Linux x64 nVidia... driver (a .run file) and got an error log that I don't understand. I have the log open and can paste it in here if it helps.
[21:37]  * Mamarok waves back to jussi01 
[21:37] <max_> How could I go about installing something from an old repository?
[21:38] <mikel> Can anyone help me install a driver for my nVidia 7150M video card? I'm trying to change my screen resolution. I downloaded the Linux x64 nVidia... driver (a .run file) and got an error log that I don't understand. I have the log open and can paste it in here if it helps.
[21:39] <jussi01> mikel: is there a reason you are not using the driver from the hardware drivers utility?
[21:40] <jussi01> max_: what are you trying to install and why?
[21:40] <mikel> jussi01: There aren't any drivers there to use.
[21:40] <jussi01> mikel: and you are sure that there is a closed source driver for this card?
[21:40] <max_> jussi01: An older version of VLC becuase I dont like the new  one.
[21:41] <mikel> jussi01: when I use the GUI "Display" thing, I can only choose 800x600 or 600x480 (but windows goes up to 1280x800)..... I don't know anything about the driver or how to get one etc.
[21:41] <mikel> jussi01: I'm just all around clueless.
[21:42] <jussi01> mikel: 1 moment please
[21:43] <Anakin> hi all
[21:45] <jussi01> mikel: so when you go to system -> hardware drivers it doesnt give any listings?
[21:45] <peabody> hmm, if I make a manual change in /etc/resolve.conf will network manager overwrite it the next time my wireless connects (I see the text says it is automatically generated by network manager)
[21:45] <mikel> jussi01: Only one, and that's for wireless Lann
[21:45] <mikel> jussi01: *LAN
[21:45] <jussi01> mikel: can you give me the relevant lspci line?
[21:45] <mikel> jussi01: 00:12.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GeForce 7150M (rev a2)
[21:46] <jussi01> peabody: thats correct
[21:46] <mikel> jussi01: That one?
[21:46] <jussi01> mikel: yeah, curious.
[21:46] <peabody> jussi01: even if I chmod 444 it?
[21:46] <jussi01> peabody: not sure
[21:47] <jussi01> !envy | mikel, you can try this, but I am at a loss atm
[21:47] <mikel> jussi01: I've looked at bunch of forums and had a couple people try to help me, but it's just a damn mystery. I've never used Kubuntu (or any Linux distribution). I just installed it this morning.
[21:47] <dam8795> Hola
[21:47] <peabody> jussi01: well, I'll let you know.. because if that doesn't work I'm goign to setup bind8 with forwarding which I do not want to do.. but I want to use opendns instead of my crappy isp and my wireless router doesn't have a manual config for dns servers using dhcp
[21:47] <dam8795> kubuntu runs fine on x3100????????
[21:47] <dam8795> 8-X
[21:48] <mikel> ubottu: What's the exclamation mark in front of words mean?
[21:48] <peabody> blargh
[21:49] <dam8795> hi? x3100 runs fine on kubuntu?
[21:49] <dam8795> }???
[21:49] <peabody> doesn't work wtf when I edit the connection in Netwrok manager and add the DNS addresses there, it doesn't use them
[21:49] <mikel> ubottu: I have KDE. Where do I download or find envyng-qt and how do I use it?
[21:49] <dam8795> hi? x3100 runs fine on kubuntu?
[21:49] <dam8795> hi? x3100 runs fine on kubuntu?
[21:49] <peabody> this whole system is fucked from end to end
[21:49] <dam8795> hi? x3100 runs fine on kubuntu?
[21:49] <dam8795> hi? x3100 runs fine on kubuntu?
[21:50] <peabody> as far as manual dns with dhcp
[21:50] <dam8795> hi? x3100 runs fine on kubuntu?
[21:50] <dam8795> hi? x3100 runs fine on kubuntu?
[21:50] <dam8795> hi? x3100 runs fine on kubuntu?
[21:50] <FloodBotK2> dam8795: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[21:50] <peabody> dam8795: that's not a  good way to get an answer
[21:50] <dam8795> ?
[21:51] <Mamarok> dam8795: please behave and be patient
[21:51] <dam8795> ok
[21:51] <dam8795> :(
[21:52] <dam8795> hi? x3100 runs fine on kubuntu?
[21:53] <dam8795> ;)
[21:53] <peabody> jussi01: well I figured out why network manager wasn't adding it.. but unfortunately it adds the manual dns servers as a lower priority than the dhcp dns server
[21:53] <Mamarok> dam8795: I don't know, but you can check on bugs.launchpad.net if there are bug reports
[21:53] <peabody> dam8795: wtf is a x3100?
[21:54] <dam8795> intel x3100
[21:54] <dam8795> works?
[21:54] <Unksi> peabody: intel graphics
[21:54] <Mamarok> peabody: lanaguage, please!
[21:54] <peabody> wtf is a bad word? really?
[21:54] <Mamarok> indeed, google for it
[21:54] <dam8795> I don't want waste my time  installing something that dont work
[21:54] <peabody> you're an idiot
[21:55] <dam8795> whY?
[21:55] <dam8795> :(
[21:55] <Mamarok> dam8795: again, I don't know, please check on bugs.launchpad.net if there are reports
[21:55] <kris_> Hi. What's the name of the kernel module that notifies you whenever a file has been updated/changed? It starts with an "i".
[21:57] <kris_> Found it: inotify.
[21:57] <dam8795> so, i dont understand this page
[21:57] <dam8795> bugs.launchpad.net
[21:57] <dam8795> -??
[21:57] <dam8795> :S
[21:57] <FloodBotK2> dam8795: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[21:57] <Mamarok> dam8795: you can put the search for X3100 Kubuntu and look for reports
[21:58] <max_> How can I force aptitude to get a packge from an old repository?
[21:58] <dam8795> no kubuntu
[21:58] <dam8795> proyect dont exist
[21:58] <dam8795> ???
[21:58] <Mamarok> dam8795: it sure does, did you google for it?
[21:59] <dam8795> i don't know, i am newby
[21:59] <dam8795> this page is very strange
[21:59] <dam8795> :P
[22:00] <Mamarok> dam8795: you can use Google, can't you?
[22:01] <dam8795> [metd
[22:01] <Mamarok> dam8795: see here: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/366058
[22:01] <Mamarok> there seem to be problems apparently
[22:01] <dam8795> so, no linux ?
[22:01] <dam8795> :(
[22:01] <Mamarok> hm, wrong address: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/366058
[22:01] <dam8795> T_T
[22:02] <Mamarok> dam8795: maybe with Gnome? I t could be related to KDE
[22:02] <dam8795> huh?
[22:03] <Mamarok> dam8795: Ubuntu 9.04, instead of Kubuntu, yu can ask in #ubuntu
[22:04] <dam8795> no men sorry, I am not good with computers and my english is poor
[22:04] <Mamarok> dam8795: what is your language?
[22:04] <dam8795> spanish
[22:04] <Mamarok> !es | dam8795
[22:04] <johnzbesko> who knows  sumthing i could use to video chat in linuz
[22:05] <dam8795> hi ubottu how?
[22:05] <Mamarok> dam8795: tpye /join #kubuntu-es
[22:05] <Mamarok> so much for patience...
[22:15] <nikitis> KDE seems extremely bugged right now....
[22:16] <Mamarok> nikitis: extremely is exagerated, works mostly fine here
[22:17] <nikitis> Mamarok: shortcut keys aren't the only thing i'm having bugs with.
[22:17] <nikitis> Mamarok: i've found some others, it just doesn't seem finished to me
[22:18] <nikitis> or polished
[22:18] <Mamarok> nikitis: tell me an application wherever that has no bugs
[22:18] <nikitis> well true
[22:18] <nikitis> but i'm talking about serious bugs
[22:18] <dam8795> t
[22:19] <nikitis> xinerama doesn't work with composite in kde.
[22:19] <nikitis> is another one
[22:19] <Mamarok> nikitis: compositing is a bling factor, not needed for everyday work IMHO
[22:19] <Mamarok> and most of the usres do not use xinerame, again, not as serious as you think
[22:20] <Mamarok> s/e/a/
[22:20] <Mamarok> users*
[22:20] <nikitis> Mamarok: i found the bug with the shortcut issues, and it's been in there since kde 3
[22:20] <nikitis> still not resolved in kde4 betas
[22:21] <nikitis> Mamarok: i can't minimize to desktop
[22:21] <Mamarok> but then, this ia a discussion and should go to #kubuntu-offtopic
[22:21] <Mamarok> nikitis: did you file this bug to bugs.kde.org?
[22:21] <nikitis> no need one was there already
[22:21] <nikitis> has been for like 2 years
[22:21] <Mamarok> a shortcut for a screen snapshot, how often do you make screenshots?
[22:22] <nikitis> all the time
[22:22] <nikitis> when i make online purchases
[22:22] <nikitis> i have to take screen snapshots of the browser windows as receipts
[22:22] <nikitis> I took 3 today
[22:22] <Mamarok> well, there is a workaround, it's jut not exactly the way you want it to be, again, not as serious as you might think
[22:22] <nikitis> and i'm not even at work
[22:23] <Mamarok> could we take this to -offtopic, please,? it's not exactly support related
[22:23] <nikitis> well users shouldn't have to work around those kinds of features.  I mean, the keyboard is labled "Printscreen"   The OS should do just that when pushed.
[22:23] <nikitis> ok
[22:28] <kaddi> nikitis on my kde4 there is a global hotkey for taking a screenshot. When I press printscreen KSnapshot is launched, but this can also be customize in the settings afaik. KSnapshot is just not installed by default if I recall correctly
[22:32] <Mamarok> kaddi: what KDE version do you have?
[22:32] <kaddi> 4.2
[22:32] <kaddi> 4.2.4 I think.. but KSnapshot has been working since 4.1
[22:32] <Mamarok> exactly, and I have 4.2.90 aka beta2, which seems to have a bug in Qt for that
[22:33] <Mamarok> I can't set a shortcut to that button (on a Lenovo laptop btw)
[22:34] <kaddi> Mamarok you know where you can set that shortcut? It's not in the global shortcuts, but I don't remeber where it was ...
[22:35] <Mamarok> kaddi: I know, but I should be able to set something to that button anyway, and I get a Qt error message
[22:37] <brian_> hi
[22:37] <brian_> #whois
[22:37] <Mamarok> brian_: do you have a question?
[22:38] <brian_> no not really
[22:38] <brian_> not used to irc
[22:38] <kaddi> Mamarok: sry, for interfering then. I've seen people getting stuck on the printscreen because ksnapshot wasn't installed. Just thought I might add that in
[22:38] <nikitis> Mamarok: new error trying to get a showdesktop thing to work.  it requires compiling but i keep getting this error.  http://fpaste.org/paste/15445
[22:39] <Mamarok> nikitis: what prefix did you set?
[22:39] <nikitis> Mamarok: none, i'm not sure what it's asking
[22:40] <Mamarok> nikitis: you are compiling? The show desktop widget is available in the repos
[22:40] <Mamarok> no need to compile
[22:41] <nikitis> Mamarok: name?  showdesktop isn't what it's called, and synaptic search only finds something for awn
[22:41] <solifugus> Going into adept, I get this: Could not obtain a write lock on the cache, falling back to read-only mode.
[22:41] <solifugus> How can I fix that?
[22:41] <solifugus> It's been like that since installation..
[22:42] <solifugus> a few days ago..
[22:42] <solifugus> It's got all its updates applied.
[22:42] <Mamarok> nikitis: it's show desktop widget, did you check if it's ot already there?
[22:42] <solifugus> I really need to install Flash (for firefox) and my nvidia drivers...
[22:43] <Mamarok> solifugus: do you have another package manager or package updater running?
[22:43] <nikitis> Mamarok: yay
[22:43] <Mamarok> solifugus: kpackage, synaptic or such?
[22:43] <solifugus> Mamarok: no, I don't.. but I executed adept via ALT-F2 and I think now maybe it needs to be run as sudo.
[22:43] <alfio> salve
[22:44] <solifugus> Mamarok: I used ALT-F2 cause I have that wierd KDE 4 start menu that makes it impossible to find things, through..
[22:44] <Mamarok> solifugus: you should run it from Alt+F2 with kdesudo adept
[22:44] <Mamarok> graphical applications need to be run with kdesudo, else you get permission problems
[22:45] <nikitis> Mamarok: i had to do that this morning "kdesudo" with systemsettings.  Network printer wouldn't install due to permissions.
[22:46] <nikitis> Mamarok: now i need to work around for this ksnapshot and i'll be golden
[22:46] <Mamarok> nikitis: all graphical apps need kdesudo if you want to have sudo rights
[22:47] <solifugus> Mamarok: ok.. flash is installed now.. How can I change firefox from using the open source flash-alternative to using adobe flash?
[22:47] <Mamarok> solifugus: remove gnash?
[22:49] <solifugus> Mamarok: adept shows gnash as not installed.. It must be something else..
[22:50] <Mamarok> solifugus: hm, didn't you install the alternative?
[22:51] <solifugus> Mamarok: firefox gave me, I think 3 alternatives... I picked one..
[22:52] <Mamarok> solifugus: then it's a plugin, check in the firefox settings, first tab, manage plugins
[22:52] <nikitis> Mamarok: assuming the keyboard shortcuts for printscreen is bugged.  (Which it is.)  How can I work around assigning program launches to keyboard shortcuts (like ksnapshot?
[22:53] <ign0ramus> solifugus, the command "sudo apt-get remove --purge swfdec-mozilla swfdec-gnome mozilla-plugin-gnash gnash" should cover your free options.
[22:53] <ign0ramus> solifugus, then do: "sudo apt-get install flashplayer-nonfree"
[22:53] <Mamarok> nikitis: setting it to another button maybe
[22:53] <Mamarok> wow, ign0ramus, I am impressed!
[22:53]  * Mamarok stores the line
[22:53] <ign0ramus> Mamarok, what?  i can do some things some times!
[22:54]  * genii-around sneaks ign0ramus more coffee
[22:54]  * Mamarok hands ign0ramus a cookie
[22:54] <nikitis> Mamarok: well i mean, anything really.  Is there any way I can assign say ctrl+shift+j to open say, firefox?  I could use this method do the same for ksnapshot.
[22:54]  * ign0ramus drinks genii's rocket fuel and Mamarok's homemade cookies
[22:55] <Mamarok> nikitis: I guess so, it just might sometimes conflict with global shortcuts, so be careful
[22:55] <ign0ramus> nikitis, what keyboard shortcuts do you want? you can most likely assign them in System Settings... it will warn of conflicts if the shortcut already exists.
[22:56] <nikitis> ign0ramus: i just tried that and got the warning, but also got this warning "Unable to contact khotkeys. Your changes are saved but i failed to activate them"
[22:56] <solifugus> Mamarok and ign0ramus: thanks!! flash is working now..
[22:57] <ign0ramus> solifugus, :)
[22:57] <Mamarok> solifugus: yaw :)
[22:57] <ign0ramus> nikitis, hmm... that's a new one for me
[22:57] <firmo_> Can someone confirm if the newest version of kde in 9.04 official repos is 4.2.2? It's weird since 4.2.4 is some weeks old already...
[22:57] <nikitis> ign0ramus: told ya, i'm having some wierd issues with shortcuts
[22:58] <nikitis> ign0ramus: need a professional to help me out here
[22:59] <ign0ramus> nikitis, you have "kdebase-workspace-dev" installed?
[22:59] <nikitis> ign0ramus: now i'm getting this error message when attempting to select global keyboard shortcuts in keyboard and mouse.
[22:59] <nikitis> ign0ramus: http://fpaste.org/paste/15447
[23:00] <nikitis> ign0ramus: no it was not installed.  I just installed it now
[23:00] <Mamarok> firmo_: the 4.2.4 release is available in the backports PPA, check the channek topic for more information
[23:00] <Dragnslcr> firmo_- yeah, for whatever reason, 4.2.4 didn't get to the backports repository, it's just in a PPA
[23:00] <Mamarok> channel* even
[23:00] <Dragnslcr> Gah
[23:01] <Dragnslcr> I hate you
[23:01] <Mamarok> Dragnslcr: because it needs more testing first
[23:01] <Dragnslcr> Fair enough. Works well enough for me, for however much that means
[23:02] <solifugus> ok.. cannot find the place to install my nvidia drivers... Isn't it somewhere in System Settings?
[23:04] <nikitis> bah, what the heck
[23:04] <firmo_> Mamarok: Thanks, i didn't notice the topic (duh). But this means that it'll will eventually hit the official repos? Or it'll be forever in the ppa?
[23:04] <Mamarok> solifugus: jockey-kde handles the proprietary driver
[23:04] <Mamarok> no, it will certainly hit the regular backports
[23:04] <nikitis> Mamarok: getting this now when trying to access Global Keyboard Shortcuts http://fpaste.org/paste/15447
[23:05] <Mamarok> nikitis: what did you do?
[23:05] <nikitis> nothing lol
[23:05] <nikitis> that i know of
[23:06] <genii-around> nikitis: Sure you're not on fedora? ;)
[23:07] <skierpage> My 9.04 Xorg is consuming 725 MB, plasma 765 MB.  How do I restart X?  Google just gives me a lot of arguing over the decision to remove Ctrl+Alt+Backspace.
[23:07] <nikitis> Mamarok: oh wait, i used kdesudo to change the standard preset actions to printscreen, it had no shortcut to lanch ksnapshot, so i told it to do Printscreen as the shortcut, and it gave me the cannot make it active error then that happened
[23:07] <nikitis> genii-around: yes, kubuntu
[23:07] <Mamarok> nikitis: you shouldn't run this with sudo rights
[23:07] <solifugus> Mamarok: Applications -> System -> Hardware Drivers seems to be doing it... downloading..
[23:07] <Dragnslcr> skierpage- K Menu -> Leave to logout
[23:08] <nikitis> Mamarok: i couldn't even see the options for Preset Actions under Input Actions without doing kdesudo
[23:08] <Mamarok> solifugus: that is jockey-kde, no?
[23:08] <skierpage> Dragnslcr, thanks, I'll try it.
[23:08] <Dragnslcr> skierpage- from the login screen, you can go to the menu there and select Restart X
[23:08] <skierpage> kthxbye ;-)
[23:08] <ign0ramus> nikitis, check your ~/.ICEauthority file.  Do you own it, and do you have rw- privileges?
[23:08] <Mamarok> hm, I should check that one...
[23:08] <Dragnslcr> skierpage- ctrl-alt-backspace forcibly kills X, so you should only use it when X isn't responding and you can't logout normally
[23:09] <nikitis> ign0ramus: it's -rw------- nikitis.nikitis
[23:09] <ign0ramus> nikitis, ok, that's good.
[23:09] <robin0800> Dragnslcr, Only if don't zap is enabled
[23:10] <Mamarok> same error here
[23:10] <nikitis> Dragnslcr: you have to add option DontZap in xorg.conf
[23:10] <nikitis> forget which section though
[23:11] <Dragnslcr> For ctrl-alt-backspace? Oh, that must be new then
[23:11] <nikitis> it's very old
[23:11] <nikitis> but
[23:11] <nikitis> they disabled it in recent x versions, so now you have to add dontzap to do it
[23:12] <Dragnslcr> Yeah, just checking the Ubuntu Wiki page about it
[23:12] <nikitis> ign0ramus: know how to fix my issue?
[23:12] <robin0800> Dragnslcr, Think you can do it from settings
[23:12] <Dragnslcr> Changed in 9.04. Personally, I think off is a better default
[23:12] <nikitis> Dragnslcr: i don't, i used it all the time
[23:12] <ign0ramus> nikitis, still looking... the alternative test right now is to log in as a different user and see if you can set shortcuts
[23:12] <nikitis> ign0ramus: ok
[23:13] <nikitis> ign0ramus: i can do that
[23:13] <ign0ramus> nikitis, ok.  i'll be here.
[23:13] <skierpage> Dragnslcr, that worked, though restarting only dropped Xorg to 480MB and plasma to 597 MB (stock Kubuntu with Quassel + two Konsoles).
[23:14] <Dragnslcr> skierpage- wait, what number are you looking at?
[23:14] <vitor_> oi
[23:14] <Mamarok> ign0ramus: it used to work in 4.2.3 for me, doesn't work anymore in 4.2.90 apparently
[23:15] <skierpage> Dragnslcr, top's "VIRT" column.  Is the K something monitor a better measure of memory?
[23:15] <ign0ramus> Mamarok, what? keyboard shortcuts?
[23:15] <Mamarok> yes
[23:15] <skierpage> So folks, is Dragnslcr's simple restart recipe documented anywhere, or is Google just not worked so well?
[23:15] <ign0ramus> Mamarok, hmmm
[23:16] <Mamarok> well, the current shortcuts work, but I can only try setting them as a normal user, not with kdesudo
[23:16] <marcreichelt> hi there
[23:16] <marcreichelt> I have Kubuntu 8.04, but I want to install the newest version of vlc
[23:16] <Mamarok> and it gives a Qt error about the button not being used by Qt
[23:16] <marcreichelt> does anybody know what is the best way to do this?
[23:16] <ign0ramus> Mamarok, are you setting shortcuts from cli or System Settings?
[23:16] <Dragnslcr> skierpage- I'm not entirely sure what the Virtual Size is supposed to be (it doesn't seem to match real memory or swap), but for me, Xorg is 507 and plasma is 460, so your numbers appear to be normal
[23:17] <Mamarok> system Settings
[23:17] <ign0ramus> Mamarok, why would you need kdesudo for shortcuts? (honest question)
[23:17] <Dragnslcr> marcreichelt- probably by compiling VLC. A package for a newer version of VLC might have dependencies that will conflict with your system
[23:18] <marcreichelt> Dragnslcr: ok, thanks
[23:18] <Mamarok> ign0ramus: I don't, was just trying, but I can't set shortcuts to the Print button as a user neither, it worked before
[23:18] <ign0ramus> Mamarok, i see.  well, it is still in beta, right?
[23:18] <marcreichelt> is there any way to compile vlc but don't install it (only for one user?)
[23:18] <Mamarok> ign0ramus: yes, but it worked in a previous version, so it's a regression
[23:19] <ign0ramus> Mamarok, agreed, but hopefully it will be fixed before release.  that's a pretty major regression
[23:19] <nikitis> ign0ramus: Ok, i can at least access the Global keyboard shortcuts on this new user.  bit The assigned keys still do not work
[23:19] <genii-around> marcreichelt: Any user can do like: apt-get source <packagename> and build it locally
[23:19] <marcreichelt> k :)
[23:20] <Dragnslcr> marcreichelt- should be able to, yeah. Usually the 'make' command compiles everything, and 'make install' copies the executables to the system directories
[23:20] <ign0ramus> nikitis, then i suspect permissions in ~/.kde or ~/.kde4 (if you have it).  Unfortunately, its hard to say which file is causing it :(
[23:20] <marcreichelt> ok, I'll give it a try, thanks
[23:20] <Dragnslcr> So if you don't do 'make install', you can keep the executable in the user's home
[23:20] <nikitis> ign0ramus: only have .kde folder
[23:21] <ign0ramus> nikitis, let me look in mine for anything that may be related...
[23:22] <Mamarok> Dragnslcr: hm, you will need to make install anyway, just without sudo and set the prefix to your home if you want a local build
[23:22] <ign0ramus> nikitis, what version of kde are you running again?
[23:23] <nikitis> ign0ramus: the one that came with 9.04 kubuntu
[23:23] <Dragnslcr> Mamarok- that would work too. Good call
[23:23] <nikitis> ign0ramus: how do i tell exacty
[23:23] <ign0ramus> nikitis, open dolphin, and go to help > about kde
[23:23] <skierpage> Dragnslcr, Ctrl+Esc brings up System Activity which gives much smaller numbers for Xorg and plasma, so maybe top's "VIRT" doesn't matter as much.  I don't know how to tell "everything's paged out because it isn't needed" and "everything's paged out and the system is on its knees".
[23:23] <Dragnslcr> I guess it depends entirely on the program and exactly what make install is set to do
[23:23] <nikitis> 4.2.2
[23:23] <Mamarok> Dragnslcr: if you only do make, it will not work AFAIK, this only checks the dependencies, no?
[23:24] <Dragnslcr> Nope, make does the actual compilation
[23:24] <ign0ramus> nikitis, ok... do you have any broken or partially-installed apps?
[23:24] <nikitis> ign0ramus: don't think so
[23:24] <Dragnslcr> In theory, after you've run make, you have a usable executable somewhere
[23:24] <ign0ramus> nikitis, does "sudo apt-get -f install" give any relevant output?
[23:24] <Dragnslcr> Usually 'configure' checks for requirements and such
[23:25] <nikitis> ign0ramus: portmap
[23:25] <nikitis> ign0ramus: not sure what that is
[23:25] <ign0ramus> nikitis, what does it say about portmap?
[23:25] <nikitis> ign0ramus: says it's no longer required
[23:25] <nikitis> but is installed, use apt-get autoremove to remove it
[23:25] <ign0ramus> nikitis, oh, well you can remove it if you don't use it, but i don't think that's the source of the trouble
[23:25] <Dragnslcr> skierpage- yeah, the VIRT column corresponds to System Monitor's Virtual Size, where System Monitor's Memory column is the physical memory used
[23:27] <Dragnslcr> skierpage- my operating systems class from college must be slipping, because I can't figure out what the Virtual Size number is (it definitely doesn't match up with stuff paged to the swap space)
[23:28] <danilo> ciao
[23:28] <nikitis> ign0ramus: relogging onto my main user
[23:28] <nikitis> back
[23:29] <nikitis> ign0ramus: not getting the error message anymore when browsing global keyboard shortcuts
[23:29] <ign0ramus> nikitis, good. do your settings stick now?
[23:30] <Dragnslcr> skierpage- as far as I can figure out, Virtual Size is how much memory the process thinks it has available, even though most of it isn't being used (and therefore isn't part of the physical memory or swap totals)
[23:30] <Dragnslcr> Though I do kinda wonder why krunner would think it could ever need 300 MB of memory, when it's only using 4 MB
[23:31] <ign0ramus> Dragnslcr, well, it *is* also a calculator! :P
[23:31] <Dragnslcr> Hehe
[23:33] <nikitis> ign0ramus: hmm.  ctrl+print seems to capture the desktop now, but alt+print doesn't.
[23:33] <ign0ramus> nikitis, i have mine set to just use the "prtscrn" button.  do you need a modifier key as well?
[23:34] <SilentDis> what is the command to list and select an alsa sound card from the CLI?
[23:34] <ign0ramus> SilentDis, asound conf set-default-card <card>
[23:34] <nikitis> ign0ramus: well truthfully, i'd just like to have it so that i can select a window, and hit alt+printscreen for windows and printscreen for whole desktops
[23:34] <ign0ramus> *asoundconf
[23:35] <SilentDis> ign0ramus: thank you very much :)
[23:35] <nikitis> ctrl+print seems to be saving the whole desktop to clipboard, but alt+printscreen does not
[23:35] <ign0ramus> nikitis, i see.
[23:35] <ign0ramus> brb, dinner
[23:35] <skierpage> OK, Kubuntu online "help" ***sucks*** at providing answers.  "Community & Support" points me to a forum.  "Wiki" takes me to a page that points me to help.ubuntu.com for "Official Help Documentation", so I've left Kubuntu.  Where the %$#@! can I write down "How to restart X" where someone will find it?
[23:36] <nikitis> ign0ramus_nom-no: interesting.  if i take out the alt and do just printscreen, it works
[23:37] <nikitis> ign0ramus_nom-no: what's with it not detecting the alt keypress?
[23:37] <Pici> alt-printscreen typicially triggers sysreq.
[23:37] <Mamarok> skierpage: what is wrong with a help forum or a wiki?
[23:37] <Pici> skierpage: Why would restarting X on Kubuntu be different than Ubuntu?
[23:37] <Dragnslcr> skierpage- honestly, if it doesn't come up in the first few results in Google or the Ubuntu site's search, people just come and ask here
[23:38] <nikitis> Pici: it says here for Window screenshot to clipboard alt+print.  that was the default
[23:38] <gamepockets> does anyone know why the package manager tells me i need to "fork" in jaunty?
[23:38] <Pici> nikitis: Odd.
[23:39] <Mamarok> gamepockets: that is just a strange error message you can safely ignore
[23:39] <nikitis> Pici: is there a way to make ksnapshot screencapture just a certian window by pressing a keyboard combo?
[23:39] <skierpage> Mamarok, forums are full of *questions*; Pici I don't know if the Kubuntu login window is the same as Ubuntu, should I have to know to figure out where to search?  Dragnslcr: thanks for your help, but an O.S. that relies on the kindness of strangers is seriously lame.
[23:40] <Mamarok> gamepockets: what KDE version do you use?
[23:40] <gamepockets> i'm a noob but i just installed 9.04 fresh...
[23:41] <Mamarok> gamepockets: which is KDE 4.2.2 then. Just retry to start the package manager in the system settings, sometimes it needs a bit insistance
[23:41] <Mamarok> skierpage: forums also contain good solutions to these questions :)
[23:42] <Pici> nikitis: I'm not sure sorry, I don't use KDE actually, just was trying to help with a 'general' question :)
[23:42] <gamepockets> i have tried many times and it gives me the "backend took too long" error "you need to fork"
[23:42] <nikitis> Pici: ah, nothing general about this lol
[23:42] <Dragnslcr> gamepockets- is this after you refresh the list?
[23:43] <Dragnslcr> Or install updates
[23:43] <Mamarok> hm, can't remember, is this kpackagekit error solved in later versions than 4.2.2?
[23:43] <skierpage> Mamarok, some people like reading 10 threads and 120 messages to find an answer.  Some people like writing answers once for future generations.  I'm the latter ;-)
[23:43] <gamepockets> yes, i think, i search for something and it happens
[23:43] <skierpage> BUG: The "Forum" link on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/ is a 404.
[23:44] <halberd> have you tried i-search backward?
[23:44] <halberd> it's really irritating me how selecting text copies it into the selection buffer
[23:44] <Dragnslcr> gamepockets- I remember getting that message quite a bit. As long as you can still update/install packages, you can just ignore it
[23:45] <skierpage> BUG: the http://www.kubuntu.org/support has "Reborting bugs" :-) , haha
[23:45] <halberd> can I disable that behavior somehow?
[23:45] <gamepockets> right through terminal but i'm looking for some thing called "kbfx" and terminal won't find it..
[23:46] <Dragnslcr> gamepockets- searching for 'kbfx' doesn't return anything for me
[23:46] <nikitis> Is there a way to assign a keyboard shortcut to a program such as firefox?
[23:46] <halberd> you could install it gamepockets
[23:46] <Mamarok> skierpage: howtoforge is a solution then
[23:47] <halberd> apt-get install kbfx
[23:47] <gamepockets> well i was told i need it to install a theme
[23:47] <halberd> well i told you how to get it
[23:47] <gamepockets> i tried but to no avail
[23:47] <halberd> why not?
[23:47] <gamepockets> won't find it
[23:47] <Dragnslcr> halberd- you can't install packages that don't exist
[23:47] <halberd> it does exist for me
[23:48] <halberd> try apt-cache search kbfx
[23:48] <Dragnslcr> !info kbfx
[23:48] <halberd> might have a slightly different name
[23:48] <halberd> oh
[23:48] <halberd> I'm on 8.04
[23:48] <Dragnslcr> !info kbfx hardy
[23:48] <halberd> still, try apt-cache search kbfx
[23:49] <skierpage> Mamarok, "restart X" on howtoforge gives no hits, its search seems a joke.
[23:49] <Dragnslcr> gamepockets- yeah, you're gonna want to find a theme that's been updated in the last year
[23:49] <Mamarok> skierpage: I thought you wanted to write a Howto?
[23:49] <Mamarok> skierpage: what do you actually want to do?
[23:50]  * Mamarok must have misunderstood then
[23:51] <gamepockets> so there is no fix for the package manager bug?
[23:51] <mikel> Supposedly, I have to "/etc/init.d/kdm stop" to stop X server so that I can install a video card driver from a .run file, but when I stop it, I get taken to a screen that looks like a terminal, but none of the terminal commands do anything, including "help"...
[23:51] <halberd> skierpage, you can restart x by pressing ctrl-alt-del.  warning: will close applications
[23:51] <Mamarok> halberd: that doesn't work in 9.04 anymore...
[23:51] <Dragnslcr> halberd- it's ctrl-alt-backspace, and it's disabled by default in 9.04 (for obvious reasons)
[23:51] <halberd> what are the obvious reasons?
[23:52] <Mamarok> Ctrl+Alt+Del would reboot
[23:52] <Dragnslcr> gamepockets- you can safely ignore the error message about forking. I believe the bug is fixed in KDE 4.2.3 and 4.2.4
[23:52]  * halberd is on a mac keyboard... backspace = delete
[23:52] <Mamarok> halberd: it has been decided so by Xorg and Ubuntu followed
[23:53] <Dragnslcr> halberd- the most obvious reason is people accidentally (or because someone on IRC told them to) press that key combination, and they're unhappy when they lose unsaved data
[23:53] <skierpage> Mamarok, I'm questioning whether yet another web site that doesn't have a Kubuntu section is the right place to answer a simple question about Kubuntu.  If the answer is similar in every Linux distro ("logout, then the login screen has a restart X option"), then maybe howtoforge is the way to go, but ONLY if it has rich enough tools to categorize/customize answers for each distro.  I dunno if that's the case.  I realize it's a hard problem.
[23:53] <Mamarok> also, restarting X with this command is a bad idea, SysRq + k at least saves the applications
[23:53]  * halberd has no sysrq
[23:54] <Dragnslcr> skierpage- I think, though I could easily be wrong, that the menu on the login screen is part of kdm, so any distribution that uses KDE would be the same
[23:54] <Mamarok> skierpage: well, kubuntuforums.net is all about Kubuntu, and the ubuntuforums.org actually have KDE pages...
[23:54] <Mamarok> halberd: well, get a decent keyboard then :)
[23:55] <Mamarok> halberd: scnr
[23:55] <halberd> mac keyboard is decent, it just doesn't have a few keys
[23:55] <halberd> I suppose I could remap one of my keys to sysrq if I really wanted it
[23:55] <halberd> like the lower ctrl key
[23:55] <Mamarok> I think so, theoretically one can remapp all keys
[23:56] <halberd> yes I know, you can use xmodmap
[23:56] <Dragnslcr> Heh, I don't even think my keyboard has a SysRq key
[23:56] <halberd> or /etc/console-setup/boottime.kmap.gz
[23:56] <Mamarok> even my laptop has one
[23:56] <usuario_> hi
[23:56] <halberd> Dragnslcr, it would be the print screen key
[23:56] <nikitis> How can I add firefox to a keyboard shortcut?
[23:56] <halberd> I think
[23:57] <Dragnslcr> Yeah, that's right
[23:57] <Mamarok> halberd: exactly
[23:57] <Dragnslcr> Mine only says Print Screen
[23:57] <usuario_> im trying to add a cups server printer, i did it fine in win machines but havent been able in kubuntu
[23:57] <Dragnslcr> I also have one of the newer style Logitech keyboards
[23:58] <Mamarok> usuario_: in a browser, type http://localhost:631/
[23:58] <Mamarok> cups works the same way in all OS AFAIR
[23:58] <usuario_> Mamarok, done, what for?
[23:59] <usuario_> i win i type the printer url and loads but not here
[23:59] <usuario_> in firefox
[23:59] <stepanstas> I am currently running on a Kubuntu live cd.  I need to recover files from a corrupt Ubuntu partition.  Can anyone help?
[23:59] <Mamarok> usuario_: follow the instructions cups gives you
[23:59] <nikitis> Is it possible to create your own "Action"  for keyboard shortcuts?