[00:02] <Snova> RenatoSilva: How about +stuff? :)
[00:03] <RenatoSilva> wgrant: maybe we could use bug tracker in "branches" project on a per-branch basis by just linking the report to the branch where teh issue happens. The branch is not a patch to solve the bug _yet_, because the branch iitself contains the bug. However the natural way is that such branch solves the bug, and therefore _becomes a fix_ (kind of)
[00:03] <Snova> +branches is a little generic. They're all branches. +bundled is kinda the same thing. +codes... not everything is code. +orphaned, eh, maybe.
[00:03] <Snova> (Personally I don't really care)
[00:03] <RenatoSilva> Snova: I thought about stuff
[00:04] <RenatoSilva> stuff is more generic than branches
[00:04] <intellectronica> that's intentional. the subject has been debated over and over again. the thing is, you don't really want to encourage people using this, so the bad name is an intentional deterrent
[00:05] <RenatoSilva> intellectronica: then you encourage people with, say, 15 very usefull, non-related scripts to create a project for each single file?
[00:06] <RenatoSilva> sometimes you just want to put the code there, nothing else.
[00:07] <intellectronica> RenatoSilva: exactly. launchpad is all about collaboration, and for collaboration people need to make the effort and communicate clearly what their code is about
[00:07] <RenatoSilva> sometimes you don't want to set up a project, the code is simple enougth, you don't need bug tracking, answesr etc, you just want to put the code there, _but the code is not junk_
[00:08] <wgrant> Setting up a project is no big task, and it makes things much clearer.
[00:08] <Snova> The term "junk" could also be interpreted as "miscellaneous stuff".
[00:08] <RenatoSilva> Snova: IMHO I think that just +branches would be nice
[00:08] <wgrant> +branches doesn't make sense.
[00:09] <RenatoSilva> it makes sense to me, because +junk contain branches
[00:09] <Snova> Every other project on LP contains branches, too.
[00:10] <RenatoSilva> Snova: miscellaneous stuff? in general life or computing (I'm sorry I'm not english native speaker)
[00:10] <Saviq> what do you need launchpad for, if you don't need bugs, answers etc.?
[00:10] <intellectronica> RenatoSilva: if setting a project up is too difficult, we should improve that, not turn lp into a server for random, anonymous branches
[00:10] <RenatoSilva> Snova: humm so that +branches could make someone think they're all the branches when actually they're the orphaned ones
[00:11] <RenatoSilva> Saviq: I just wan to put the code in the web, and get revision control
[00:11] <RenatoSilva> Saviq: for _some_ stuff
[00:11] <wgrant> registering a project takes 30 seconds.
[00:11] <Snova> It's not really descriptive. Everything you would push there is a branch. At least +junk describes what it is.
[00:12] <wgrant> And Launchpad doesn't explode if you register 10 projects, AFAICT.
[00:13] <Saviq> RenatoSilva: IMO LP is overkill for that, can't you just put it on a webserver somewhere?
[00:13] <RenatoSilva> the question is: where? :)
[00:13] <RenatoSilva> I don't have a server myself
[00:14] <Snova> Maybe bzr needs something like github...
[00:14] <wgrant> sinzui: Thanks for fixing all those UI bugs quickly!
[00:15] <sinzui> wgrant: your welcome
[00:15] <RenatoSilva> I think launchpad is very nice, if I just want to put code there, I can do a simple $bzr push ~login/+junk/my.stuff. The point is just that I don't really like this junk tag. Hey my code is not junk :) (sometimes)
[00:15] <sinzui> wgrant: I'll close a few more tomorrow when beuno has time for UI reviews
[00:15] <RenatoSilva> Snova: isn't github like lp?
[00:16] <Snova> RenatoSilva: I don't really know. As far as I know it's a hosting service for Git branches.
[00:17] <Snova> Also, it's just a name.
[00:18] <RenatoSilva> also, a project  sounds to me that it's a never-ending work, a plan, a project, something big you want to do...
[00:19] <RenatoSilva> Snova: +jungle is a good tag too isn't it...
[00:20] <Snova> Hehe
[00:20] <RenatoSilva> the projects are the citizens in town, the orphaned branches are the animals in jungle, wonderful or harmful
[00:21] <RenatoSilva> you can find bad things in jungle, but good ones too
[00:22] <RenatoSilva> Anyway I think I'll create my stuff under +junk anyway, a project with my login name would be annoying, and you guys did not allowed the "branches" project :) So I'll forget about it.
[00:35] <felipec> how can I delete a branch in launchpad?
[00:35] <lifeless> click the trashcan
[00:36]  * thumper wants a big red button that says Delete (with a trash icon)
[00:37] <felipec> lifeless: there isn't any
[00:38] <wgrant> thumper: The little red button didn't work, remember...
[00:38] <thumper> big red button
[00:38] <felipec> lifeless: this is the trunk branch, that was created by vcs-import, but it's failing miserably, so I want to delete the branch and start from scratch
[00:38] <lifeless> felipec: what page are you looking at
[00:38] <wgrant> Ah, ~vcs-imports.
[00:38] <thumper> as in big button that has both an icon and the word "Delete"
[00:38] <felipec> lifeless: https://code.launchpad.net/msn-pecan
[00:38] <wgrant> thumper: Ah, something like the big app-coloured 'Report a bug' button?
[00:39] <lifeless> felipec: well, for a vcs-import; as per the docs ask here when there is a help contact, or file a question on https://answers.launchpad.bet/launchpad-code
[00:39] <lifeless> I'm curious if you know about the docs, or where to find them - so we can make them more accessible
[00:40] <wgrant> I presume the new inline help system is going to make help a lot more accessible soon.
[00:40] <wgrant> As it is currently almost impossible to find - the only link to help.launchpad.net is on the Launchpad home page.
[00:40] <felipec> lifeless: If you are having trouble using the service, please ask on #launchpad on Freenode, or mail the Launchpad team.
[00:40] <felipec> so I should strike #1 and try #2, right?
[00:41] <lifeless> felipec: that sounds like the generic text from the bottom of the page
[00:42] <lifeless> felipec: thanks :) - you've confirmed my theory that you couldn't find the docs relevant to what you're doing.
[00:42] <lifeless> felipec: anyhow - https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad-code - if you can ask a question there the code folk will reset the import or whatever as needed for you
[00:43] <RenatoSilva> leaving, thanks everybody
[00:43] <felipec> liff
[00:43] <felipec> lifeless: https://help.launchpad.net/VcsImports
[00:43] <felipec> if that page is telling me what to do, why should I look further?
[00:44] <lifeless> oh, my bad
[00:44] <lifeless> I wass /sure/ it said to ask questions
[00:44] <lifeless> thumper: ^
[00:50] <felipec> ok, thanks
[01:31] <wgrant> Are the new tag search features documented anywhere except the commit log?
[01:35] <spiv> wgrant: I think there's a blog entry pending too.  Probably around the time of the production rollout?
[01:36] <wgrant> spiv: That only helps people who use Launchpad now.
[01:48] <spiv> wgrant: I'm just answering your question with the little info I know of.  I'm not a lp dev, let alone a bugs dev.
[01:51] <wgrant> spiv: Thanks - I'll file a bug.
[02:06] <intellectronica> wgrant: there's a blog entry which will be published with the rollout, and yes we should amend the documentation, which is, you are reminded on a wiki ;-)
[02:10] <wgrant> intellectronica: I'm unable to locate any existing documentation on the search functionality.
[02:10] <wgrant> And I don't think adding it to the wiki is productive, as you've a nice new inline help system which is much easier to find.
[02:11] <intellectronica> wgrant: heh, you're right. nothing pertaining to search in https://help.launchpad.net/Bugs
[02:12] <wgrant> intellectronica: Which is reasonable, because there aren't too many surprises in the search form (except for the strange hidden defaults for the status checkboxes)
[02:12] <intellectronica> oh right, i always forget about the inline help, since i never use it myself (for obvious reasons). that may be a good place to explain that
[02:12] <wgrant> intellectronica: I first saw it a week ago, so I think it's new..
[02:13] <wgrant> I think it's a very good place to explain it, yes.
[02:13] <wgrant> (bug #387592, this is)
[02:13] <wgrant> Oh.
[02:13] <wgrant> It's triaged.
[02:13] <intellectronica> anyway, i shouldn't be awake now. will look at this tomorrow
[02:13]  * wgrant curses batch lag.
[02:13] <wgrant> Night.
[02:13] <wgrant> Thanks.
[02:13] <intellectronica> yeah, i triaged it and moved it to the launchpad documentation project
[02:16] <mib_t7vnj1> Can someone assist me with changing commit authors? I accidentally used my real full name instead of my alias when I moved to a new OS. :(
[02:18] <wgrant> mib_t7vnj1: #bzr might be more useful here, I think.
[02:18] <mib_t7vnj1> wgrant: but the data is on the Launchpad servers. AFAIK, changing history requires administrator access.
[02:18] <wgrant> mib_t7vnj1: No, not in bzr.
[02:19] <mib_t7vnj1> OK
[02:37] <stewart> https://code.launchpad.net/~stewart-flamingspork/drizzle/myisam-is-tmp/+merge/7464 is consistently giving me " Sorry, something just went wrong in Launchpad." and different Error ID each time (e.g.  (Error ID: OOPS-1263G106)     (Error ID: OOPS-1263G108) )
[02:38] <stewart> not just that... i seem to get a heap of similar things.
[02:38] <mwhudson> stewart: i bet it's a unicode error of some kind
[02:39] <mwhudson> stewart: edge is fine
[02:39] <wgrant> mwhudson: Bug #344041 looks like it.
[02:39] <wgrant> That was fixed on Sat.
[03:23] <mwhudson> stewart: yes, that bug is definitely fixed on edge now
[03:25] <RenatoSilva> Update this branch: bzr push lp:~renatosilva/+junk/moin.macro.siteindex
[03:25] <RenatoSilva> Is it allowed to everyone? Can I change permissions? How?
[03:26] <Snova> No, it's your branch. Only you.
[03:28] <lifeless> everyone can read, only you can push
[03:28] <wgrant> RenatoSilva: The permissions are controlled by the owner. The owner is either a person or a team, named after the ~.
[03:28] <wgrant> If a team owns it, any member of the team can write.
[03:31] <RenatoSilva> wgrant: but then the url will change from ~renatosilva to ~groupname right?
[03:31] <wgrant> RenatoSilva: Yes.
[03:32] <RenatoSilva> So if I want to allow other people to work iwth the barnch, the only way is to change the url?
[03:32] <wgrant> Yes.
[03:32] <RenatoSilva> ok
[03:32] <RenatoSilva> people can create branches and I can merge them anyway
[03:32] <RenatoSilva> thanks
[03:35] <stewart> mwhudson: great! hopefully will be deployed soon too.
[03:39] <lifeless> stewart: you can use edge
[05:51] <lifeless> spm: getting lots of timeouts/oops on edge
[05:51] <spm> yah. edge2 has just died
[05:51] <spm> for values of not died. heading to -9 territory...
[05:59] <wgrant> Ah, I wondered why I got a 502 a while ago.
[06:02] <spm> it's a bit of a pita tbh. the app servers are still working from the load balancers perspective, but are dead to a full request. and doing "proper" checks would kill LP (my opinion)
[06:09] <poolie> thumper/jml: what's the difference between "reviews i can do" and "other reviews"?
[06:10] <poolie> specifically some of the others seem like ones i can or should do
[06:10] <thumper> reviews you can do are those where there is a pending review for a team you are a member of
[06:10] <thumper> other reviews are those where there are no pending reviews and you didn't review it
[06:10] <poolie> so https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~jameinel/bzr/1.16-commit-fulltext/+merge/7080
[06:10] <poolie> it seems to have a review requested from me?
[06:11] <poolie> or does it have no requested reviews?
[06:11] <thumper> no it doesn't have a review requested from you
[06:11] <thumper> it has no requested reviews
[06:11] <thumper> you are greyed out
[06:11] <thumper> because you can review
[06:11] <thumper> abentley has a branch that changes this
[06:11] <poolie> oh ok
[06:11] <poolie> i was wondering why so many were in this state
[06:12] <poolie> just one more thing
[06:12] <poolie> what's the point of https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kangol/bzr/1.8-smart-server-fix/+merge/1443/+resubmit
[06:12] <poolie> "Resubmitting this proposal to merge will cause this proposal to be marked as superseded another proposal to merge with the same source and target branches will be created. "
[06:12]  * jml would love to know the answer to this one.
[06:12] <poolie> it's going to throw away all the comments and state and resubmit the same code?
[06:13] <poolie> that seems of limited use
[06:13] <thumper> it doesn't throw away the comments
[06:13] <thumper> but they are on the old proposal
[06:13] <poolie> ok
[06:13] <thumper> it has use, but yes limited
[06:13] <poolie> sorry, not "throw away" but make them obsolete
[06:13] <thumper> yes
[06:14] <abentley> poolie: This is the resubmit option that I've commented we should make nicer, rather than re-generating review diffs.
[06:14] <poolie> oh i see
[06:14] <poolie> so it'd replace it with a new one for a different revision
[06:14] <poolie> ok
[06:14] <thumper> I am for regenerating the review diffs and emailing the interdiff BTW
[06:14] <poolie> this is not really a proposal status then
[06:14] <poolie> it's a different kind of action
[06:15] <thumper> no
[06:15] <thumper> yes it should be different
[06:15] <thumper> not a status
[07:43] <robin_> wgrant: Hey, are you free?
[07:52] <wgrant> robin_: Mostly. Why?
[07:53] <robin_> wgrant: I want to ask you something.
[07:54] <wgrant> robin_: Go ahead.
[07:55] <robin_> wgrant: When I set up my branch, and I change some codes. I will compile the code, and it will generate lots of object-files, but I don't want to upload the object-files. Do you have a good idea?
[07:56] <wgrant> robin_: bzr help ignore
[07:57] <robin_> wgrant: OK!
[08:57] <robert_ancell> Is there are way to rename a project unix name once it has been created?  We have the fileroller project but this causes issues as the source package is called file-roller (as are the upstream tarballs)
[09:02] <wgrant> robert_ancell: You can ask at https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+addquestion.
[09:02] <robert_ancell> wgrant: thanks, will do
[12:38] <wgrant> Bug #387823 is very interesting.
[12:41] <intellectronica> wgrant: is it? i don't really understand it. do you think the user is confusing the '(-) unsubscribe' link with an indication that he isn't subscribed?
[12:41] <wgrant> intellectronica: Exactly.
[12:41] <wgrant> intellectronica: Er, not that link.
[12:41] <wgrant> But the 'Some User (-)'
[12:41] <wgrant> Inside the subscriber list.
[12:41] <wgrant> Which is more easily misunderstandable.
[12:42] <intellectronica> yeah
[12:42] <wgrant> It's not an entirely unreasonable assumption to make, given that all the other add/remove buttons on that page have text.
[12:43] <intellectronica> i think that's a wontfix. we try to establish that visual idiom, and it will be used in many places. it will be a while before we can decide whether it's working for people or not
[12:43] <wgrant> I guess so.
[12:44] <wgrant> It surprised me the first time when it was AJAXy - it performs an action immediately, yet isn't a green link.
[12:46] <intellectronica> well, the link itself (the user name), doesn't perform any action. it's only the icon that does. the green links are for captions that describe the action itself
[12:46] <wgrant> Right.
[12:46] <wgrant> But there is no indication that it's a green link.
[12:46] <wgrant> The green links are green to warn that they're going to do something - that link doesn't have such a warning.
[12:46] <wgrant> But I don't see a way to improve that :(
[14:29] <Sam-I-Am> hey folks...
[14:30] <Sam-I-Am> anyone here work with the launchpad ppa build system?
[14:36] <beuno> Sam-I-Am, sure, cprov and bigjools
[14:37] <Sam-I-Am> well, ld segfaulted on a build
[14:37] <bigjools> Sam-I-Am: have you got the URL to the build please?
[14:37] <Sam-I-Am> amd64 built ok, i386 failed with the ld segfault
[14:37] <Sam-I-Am> one sec
[14:37] <cprov> Sam-I-Am: do you have the build URL handy ?
[14:38] <cprov> bigjools: stage is yours ...
[14:38] <bigjools> cprov -> exits left
[14:38] <Sam-I-Am> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/27967263/buildlog_ubuntu-hardy-i386.openldap_2.4.20090602%2Bhardy~msk2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[14:38] <Sam-I-Am> thats the log with the failure...
[14:38] <Sam-I-Am> lpia also failed, but i suspect thats because its similar to i386
[14:39] <Sam-I-Am> https://launchpad.net/~ionosphere80/+archive/msk-7/+builds
[14:39] <Sam-I-Am> theres the ppa associated with it
[14:39] <bigjools> cool
[14:40] <bigjools> looking at that log I think you've got bigger problems anyway
[14:40] <Sam-I-Am> like what?
[14:41] <Sam-I-Am> the package seems to build locally on amd64 ok... i hadn't tried i386 until launchpad did
[14:41] <bigjools> Sam-I-Am: /usr/bin/ld.real: i386:x86-64 architecture of input file `.libs/alias.o' is incompatible with i386 output
[14:41] <bigjools> I think your package is broken
[14:41] <Sam-I-Am> huh, thats interesting
[14:41] <Sam-I-Am> wonder if theres some broken make cleanage
[14:41] <bigjools> just underneath where it reports the segfault
[14:42] <bigjools> has it got amd64 .o files in it I wonder
[14:42] <Sam-I-Am> although there shouldn't be any object files laying around
[14:42] <Sam-I-Am> lemmie look...
[14:44] <Sam-I-Am> bigjools: huh, whaddya know, theres a bunch of stuck object files in that directory
[14:44] <bigjools> aha!
[14:44] <Sam-I-Am> from the tarball itself no less
[14:44] <bigjools> you beat me to it, I was just looking in your tarball
[14:45] <Sam-I-Am> its actually cvs from the openldap project... seems like one of their makefiles might not know how to clean that directory
[14:45] <Sam-I-Am> or its just not called by the global makefile
[14:46] <Sam-I-Am> never noticed on amd64 because the object files magically worked
[14:46] <bigjools> indeed
[14:46] <bigjools> ok good luck with it
[14:47] <Sam-I-Am> yeah thanks... i'll go fix it now and try again
[14:47] <Sam-I-Am> everything else seems to be working so far... liking the PPA bit.
[14:47] <bigjools> great, glad to hear that
[14:47] <bigjools> and tell openldap to switch to Bazaar :)
[14:48] <Sam-I-Am> from cvs?
[14:48] <bigjools> yep
[14:48] <Sam-I-Am> ha, sure... not a big fan of cvs myself
[14:48] <bigjools> is anyone...
[14:48] <wgrant> bigjools: Some people like to move slowly, though... my uni just moved onto svn this year.
[14:48] <bigjools> wgrant: !
[14:49] <Sam-I-Am> what i'm trying to do is periodically roll latest openldap code into packages for at least unstable/testing and the most recent LTS... so i dont really get to mess with the cvs headaches of management
[14:49] <wgrant> So, we've got this software which provides a nice interface for students to use Subversion. But we manage its code in Bazaar.
[14:51] <Sam-I-Am> bigjools: so the nssov makefile completely forgets to clean the tree... guess i need to use cvs now lol
[14:52] <bigjools> ouch
[15:28] <wgrant> sinzui: Is this 2.2.7/3.1.8 UI focus to which you refer just for Registry, or LP-wide?
[15:28] <sinzui> wgrant: LP wide
[15:28] <wgrant> sinzui: Ah, excellent!
[16:36] <Sam-I-Am> bigjools: looks like it compiled on i386 this time... just not lpia, but i'm not sure how much that matters
[16:36] <jblount> rockstar`: Yo! #325985 is fixed on edge when?
[16:42] <bigjools> Sam-I-Am: great, gald you got it working that far
[16:42] <bigjools> glad, even
[16:45] <Sam-I-Am> bigjools: yeah, so whats the deal with lpia?
[16:45] <Sam-I-Am> it looks almost like i386
[16:45] <bigjools> Sam-I-Am: give me a build URL and I'll check
[16:46] <Sam-I-Am> https://launchpad.net/~ionosphere80/+archive/msk-7/+build/1079976
[16:46] <Sam-I-Am> seems to have a dependency issue
[16:47] <Sam-I-Am> although the other builds found db4.7 fine
[16:47] <Sam-I-Am> (which is another custom package... using a PPA dependency)
[16:47] <Sam-I-Am> unless db4.7 failed for lpia too lol... havent checked that one
[16:47] <Sam-I-Am> yeah, it failed
[16:47] <bigjools> ok there ya go
[16:48] <Sam-I-Am> now lets see why that one failed...
[16:48] <Sam-I-Am> oh hmm yeah... i think i can fix that one
[16:49] <Sam-I-Am> at least i386 and amd64 worked
[16:49] <persia> Unless you're feelign *very* motivated, it's probably not worth fussing about lpia FTBFSs.
[16:49] <Sam-I-Am> what exactly is lpia (before i go rtfm)
[16:49] <bigjools> Atom, etc
[16:49] <Sam-I-Am> ah ok
[16:50] <bigjools> low power
[16:50] <persia> Well, "lpia" is Intel Atom and A1xx, but the Ubuntu "lpia" architecture happens to just be a collection of different compilation flags that may or may not be optimised for those devices.
[16:50] <Sam-I-Am> ok
[16:51] <persia> (whether Ubuntu "lpia" is best for LPIA hardware was never conclusively investigated)
[16:51] <Sam-I-Am> heh
[17:42] <Saviq> hi guys, the page about importing translations from bazaar only describes handling templates, can anyone tell me about translation catalogs? not templates? there's 'import templates and translations' in the settings but no word on what to do to have them automatically approved / imported
[17:44] <kiko> Saviq, what do you mean by catalogs? I think catalogs and templates are the same thing.
[17:44] <kiko> danilos, am I right? :)
[17:44] <Saviq> no, catalog templates are .pot
[17:44] <Saviq> catalogs are .po
[17:44] <Saviq> (t for template)
[17:45] <Saviq> well naming isn't important ;)
[17:46] <danilos> kiko: yeah, that's usually interchangeable terminology, though sometimes people use "catalogs" for translation files as well
[17:47] <danilos> Saviq: if this is about https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/73756, I've responded there already :)
[17:56] <Saviq> danilos: that's what I was afraid of... thanks, I'll see how can it work with our setup.
[17:57] <danilos> Saviq: yeah, I am sorry it's not well documented (we are fixing that), but that is the most standard layout
[17:59] <Saviq> danilos: sure, I should've thought of that earlier - I forgot the .po don't actually have locale defined inside
[18:03] <Saviq> shame python's gettext defaults to: language/LC_MESSAGES/domain.mo
[18:04] <Saviq> what's more, language seems to always be xx_XX
[19:59] <Saviq> danilos: one more thing - is the <domain>/<language>.po the only supported scheme for .pos?
[20:05] <Saviq> or will putting the <language>.po in the same dir as <domain>.pot suffice?
[20:15] <ahasenack> kiko: you asked for an oops the other day about the timeout when seeing the "later" milestone in landscape: OOPS-1263A1369
[21:00] <kirkland> has a date been set on launchpad being open sourced?
[21:00] <beuno> kirkland, July 21st
[21:01] <kirkland> beuno: awesome, is that posted somewhere externally, that I can point someone to?
[21:01] <nhandler> kirkland: See the link in the topic for more info
[21:01] <kirkland> https://dev.launchpad.net/OpenSourcing
[21:01] <kirkland> cool, thanks
[21:03] <_gpg_> hi
[21:07] <goundy> Hi.
[21:07] <goundy> I'm getting: Permission denied (publickey).
[21:07] <goundy> bzr: ERROR: Connection closed: please check connectivity and permissions
[21:07] <goundy> Which is normal as am using my second linux operating system
[21:07] <goundy> and basically I use the other one to work with my branches.
[21:08] <goundy> Right now I want my second Linux system to be able to use my branch.. How can I solve this?
[21:08] <beuno> goundy, so you need to either copy your public key to the new machine
[21:08] <beuno> or create and register a new one
[21:08] <goundy> beuno, where exactly ?
[21:09] <beuno> goundy, on the "other" machine?
[21:09] <beuno> copy over your ~/.ssh
[21:09] <goundy> beuno, well I mean where I should put my public key ^^
[21:09] <beuno> goundy, go to your profile on Launchpad
[21:10] <beuno> it should let you add a new key from there
[21:10] <goundy> hmm okay
[21:12] <goundy> beuno, it works ! Thanks man ;)
[21:12] <beuno> goundy, welcome'
[21:15] <_gpg_> is 21 July 2009 always the date for OpenSourcing Launchpad ?
[21:16] <beuno> _gpg_, yes
[21:16] <_gpg_> beuno, thank you
[21:17] <_gpg_> beuno, i'm reading some pages, but would like to know if there's any pre-version available for testing ?
[21:17] <beuno> _gpg_, pre-version?
[21:17] <_gpg_> Release 2.2.5 for example
[21:17] <beuno> no, it has never been released
[21:18] <beuno> it will be released for the first time on July 21st
[21:18] <_gpg_> beuno, i was reading https://dev.launchpad.net/Releases/2009Calendar
[21:18] <_gpg_> beuno, thank you
[21:18] <beuno> _gpg_, right. We've never release the source code, so no previous versions available
[21:18] <_gpg_> beuno, thank you for the clarifications
[21:19] <beuno> welcome!
[21:22] <Saviq> anyone knows what .po naming schemes are supported for rosetta's bazaar import functionality?
[21:22] <beuno> Saviq, danilos or jtv may know
[21:30] <Saviq> yeah they seem to be afk now
[21:31] <Saviq> do you happen to know what timezone they're in? is it worth to wait?
[21:31] <beuno> Saviq, they're a few hours behind me
[21:32] <beuno> I know that danilos is roughly UTC
[21:32] <beuno> so they won't be around today
[21:32] <beuno> Saviq, open a question
[21:32] <beuno> they'll get around to it
[21:33] <Saviq> yeah I'm ~UTC, too, so I'll ask tomorrow, less hassle
[21:51] <Scurz> Is it possible to make private mailing list's archives ?
[21:51] <Scurz> (re-plop)
[21:52] <beuno> bac`, ^
[21:52] <bac`> Scurz: I'm unsure about what you're asking.
[21:53] <Scurz> I'm an administrator of a mailing list of a team on launchpad, and we have archives from this mailing list, they are public for the moment
[21:53] <Scurz> but I would like to make them private, is it possible ?
[21:54] <bac`> Scurz: Ah, ok.
[21:55] <Scurz> so ? is it possible or not ?
[21:56] <Scurz> because I don't find
[21:56] <bac`> Scurz: Normally we do not allow private mailing lists for Launchpad projects.
[21:56] <Scurz> oh okay :(
[21:57] <bac`> Scurz: Which project are you working on?
[21:57] <Scurz> https://launchpad.net/~fullcircle-fr-contribs
[21:59] <cr3> have you guys ever encountered requests to access a private ppa (under https) behind a proxy? I can't get apt to support this kind of configuration
[22:04] <eagle00789> can i use launchpad for automatic bug download from e-mail or automatic bug report via html-link??
[22:05] <eagle00789> (i ask this question since i use Eurekalog in my app to report any bugs to my email, but eurekalog can also directly report to a html-link)
[22:13] <kiko> eagle00789, hmm, can you explain that again?
[22:18] <eagle00789> i'm using eurekalog in my project (an exception catcher). when it catches an av, exception or memory leak, it can send a report containing all informatioin about that problem to an e-mail adress or a http-link (a special formed http-link)
[22:19] <eagle00789> so my question is: is there a special e-mailadress or a special http-link where i can send any bugs to, so that they are added to my bugtracker (in launchpad ofcourse)
[22:20] <kiko> eagle00789, so the general answer is yes.
[22:20] <kiko> eagle00789, you can do this in two ways
[22:20] <eagle00789> for example an e-mailadres like bugs.tbu@launchpad.net
[22:21] <eagle00789> let'stell me how then
[22:27] <RenatoSilva> I have a suggestion: sub-projects
[22:27] <RenatoSilva> Instead of https://launchpad.net/bzr-xmloutput
[22:27] <RenatoSilva> It would be https://launchpad.net/bazaar/xmloutput
[22:28] <kiko> eagle00789, first, by using our +storeblob protocol, which allows a bug reporter to post a blob via an HTTP post
[22:31] <eagle00789> just found the emailinterface wich i'mgoing to use....
[22:33] <kiko> eagle00789, or, you can use the email interface directly
[22:33] <eagle00789> ^^
[22:33] <kiko> which will file the bug on the behalf of the submitter
[22:33] <kiko> but that does require they have an account
[22:34] <eagle00789> i'm going to use my own e-mailadress as reporter
[22:34] <eagle00789> so got nothing to do with that then
[22:54] <kiko> eagle00789, yeah, in that case you can totally just submit bugs to new@bugs.launchpad.net
[22:54] <kiko> there is a specific syntax you need to use
[22:54] <eagle00789> i already did....
[22:54] <kiko> and if you are sending HTML then it may be best to use the +storeblob protocol
[22:54] <kiko> eagle00789, if you need further help, just ask on answers.launchpad.net/launchpad
[22:54] <kiko> I'll be happy to look into it
[22:55] <eagle00789> the message of the mail contains a affects tbu line and the subject of the e-mail is the errormessage itself. as sender i used my own registered e-mailadress
[22:55] <eagle00789> (tbu is my project on launchpad)
[23:23] <eagle00789> just a small off-topic question: what do you guys think when a application doesn't have an irc channel
[23:24] <kiko> eagle00789, it's.. kinda normal. :)
[23:24] <kiko> eagle00789, it should work out okay
[23:24] <kiko> let me know via answers.l.n if you need any more help
[23:24] <kiko> gotta crash
[23:24] <eagle00789> ok. thx for your help sofar cya later
[23:24] <wgrant> An app can easily grow one later, too.
[23:25] <eagle00789> that's true wgrant
[23:26] <eagle00789> just one more question: does it then make sense to have it's own server for the channel, or is hosted on a public channel not any different
[23:26] <eagle00789> public channel = public server
[23:27] <wgrant> A separate server is very probably overkill.
[23:27] <wgrant> And it makes it harder for everybody else.
[23:28] <eagle00789> that's true once again. thx for the insight into this matter :D
[23:43] <eagle00789> well, i'm off to bed as well. cya laater everyone....