[00:00] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: see why we should be in bug squad ?LOL
[00:00] <Adys> Just upgraded to karmic from jaunty. I'm not able to restart X anymore through ctrl alt backspace. dontzap is set to false; any idea?
[00:03] <BUGabundo> Adys: could you on JJ ?
[00:03] <Adys> yes
[00:03] <BUGabundo> have you restarted *after* using dontzap?
[00:03] <Adys> yeah
[00:03] <Adys> also I lost my system beeps :/
[00:03] <BUGabundo> ok
[00:03] <BUGabundo> file a bug
[00:03] <BUGabundo> two even
[00:03] <BluesKaj> not working here either
[00:03] <BUGabundo> but then again, the beeps I think it's a _feature_
[00:04] <Adys> I rather figure out why those are happening before filing a bug :)
[00:06] <BUGabundo> maybe dontzap is not updated to new X on KK ?
[00:07] <Adys> relogging
[00:07] <Sarvatt> Adys: it is because of the new xkeyboard-config, its an intentional change. one second and  i'll get you the new way DontZap is handled
[00:07] <Adys> oh
[00:07] <Adys> ok
[00:08] <Sarvatt> you can map it to any button combo and enable/disable it in userspace now instead of having to change xorg.conf and restart x
[00:08] <Adys> sounds saner
[00:08] <Sarvatt> setxkbmap -option terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp
[00:08] <kklimonda> yeah, DontZap option was a nasty hack..
[00:08] <Adys> thanks a lot :)
[00:08]  * BUGabundo likes to hear Sarvatt speak! s/he sound so confident
[00:09] <Adys> might want to leave a note in the alpha release notes
[00:09] <yoasif_> kklimonda, the crash was old -- and new crashes don't seem to be placing any .crash files into /var/crash -- any ideas?
[00:09] <kklimonda> yoasif_: in terminal do
[00:10] <kklimonda> sudo force_start=1 /etc/init.d/apport restart
[00:10] <pace_t_zulu> Sarvatt: i marked bug 387548 as a duplicate of bug 387036
[00:11] <kklimonda> yoasif_: then cat /proc/sys/kernel/core_pattern should print it:
[00:11] <kklimonda> |/usr/share/apport/apport %p %s %c
[00:11] <Sarvatt> ah yeah sounds like your problem when I was looking at it
[00:11] <yoasif_> kklimonda, yeah it does
[00:11] <kklimonda> yoasif_: try now..
[00:11] <yoasif_> kklimonda, no goo
[00:11] <yoasif_> good*
[00:12] <kklimonda> yoasif_: if it doesn't work you could try doing it old, hard way..
[00:12] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt: that's a lot of karma for some one so new to LP
[00:12] <BUGabundo> good job!
[00:12] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt: X dev too ?
[00:12] <Adys> Sarvatt: works great cheers.
[00:12] <kklimonda> yoasif_: ulimit -c 1000000000
[00:12] <kklimonda> yoasif_: transmission
[00:13] <kklimonda> when it crashes it should leave core file in current folder..
[00:14] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: any idea why apport doesn't work for yoasif_ ? :/
[00:14] <Adys> Sarvatt: doesnt seem to last through a x zap though :)
[00:14] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: I had it happen before to me
[00:14] <yoasif_> kklimonda, got a core, should i just upload it to a new bug report?
[00:14] <BUGabundo> once it was the default that would not set
[00:14] <kklimonda> yoasif_: no
[00:14] <BUGabundo> but he can manually fire it
[00:14] <kklimonda> yoasif_: now you need debug packages..
[00:15] <kklimonda> yoasif_: basically https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash
[00:16] <Sarvatt> it's a checkbox option in system - preferences - keyboard - layout - layout options
[00:16] <yoasif_> kklimonda, this is ugly heh
[00:16] <Sarvatt> (terminate x server keyboard shortcut I mean)
[00:16] <kklimonda> yoasif_: you could upload core and I'll do it
[00:16] <Adys> Sarvatt: yeah, it gets reset if i restart x the same session i set it in
[00:16] <Adys> that's prolly a bug
[00:17] <Sarvatt> looking into some way to transition it so if dontzap is in xorg.conf it'll enable it now
[00:17] <yoasif_> kklimonda, i'll link you to the report when it's up
[00:17] <kklimonda> k
[00:17] <Adys> Sarvatt: I managed to fix the extremely low quality sound I had on usb headphones too. installed pavucontrol and set i/o to both digital (was set to analog)
[00:18] <Adys> in case anyone gets a similar problem
[00:18] <Adys> still didnt get my beeps back though
[00:18] <Sarvatt> ya actually like beeps?
[00:18] <BUGabundo> Adys: digital works for you ?
[00:18] <Adys> Yeah
[00:18] <Adys> BUGabundo: sure
[00:18] <BUGabundo> I can only use analog
[00:19] <Adys> What sound device do you use?
[00:19] <Adys> usb headphones, ..?
[00:19] <Sarvatt> no idea how to go about routing the beep to a secondary usb sound card..
[00:19] <Adys> I don't wanna route it :P
[00:19] <Adys> I like it as it is, crystal mb beep
[00:20] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt: afaik right now you can only manage ONE usb card
[00:20] <Sarvatt> the beep is a seperate alsa module in the kernel though, i dont know how it would work that way
[00:21] <Sarvatt> if i'm not mistaken
[00:21] <Adys> alsa module? uhm
[00:21] <Adys> its a singletone beep why would alsa want it :P
[00:21] <Sarvatt> pastebin a dmesg after plugging in the usb headphones?
[00:21] <Adys> its nothing to do with the headphones
[00:21] <Adys> I lost it completely
[00:22] <yoasif> what is the best way to report bugs using usb sound devices (like headsets)?
[00:23] <Adys> Sarvatt: http://pastebin.com/d433f3fbe heres a dmesg anyway
[00:24] <Sarvatt> well your beep is starting up right, getting muted somewhere along the line probably
[00:25] <yoasif> kklimonda, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/transmission/+bug/387564
[00:25] <Sarvatt> #
[00:25] <Sarvatt> #
[00:25] <Sarvatt> [   10.079767] usbcore: registered new interface driver snd-usb-audio
[00:25] <Sarvatt> #
[00:25] <Sarvatt> [   10.467931] input: HDA Digital PCBeep as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1b.0/input/input10
[00:25] <Sarvatt> (thats your usb headphones)
[00:25] <kklimonda> yoasif: it's fixed
[00:25] <yoasif> kklimonda, haha ok... you knew about that bug?
[00:26] <Adys> Sarvatt: it dies before then
[00:26] <Adys> had the headphones unplugged when i reinstalled, still couldnt get any
[00:27] <kklimonda> yoasif: It is http://trac.transmissionbt.com/ticket/2078, I keep track of transmission bugs.
[00:28] <yoasif> kklimonda, thanks :)
[00:28] <kklimonda> yoasif: also bugs that raise assertion errors are ease to remember.
[00:28] <kklimonda> easy*
[00:29] <yoasif> hehe...
[00:31] <Adys> Sarvatt: I got some stuff to do now; ill try to fix this later and ping back if i manage to
[00:32] <Sarvatt> pace_t_zulu: are you saying the checkbox option for dontzap in the keyboard layout settings doesnt stick, or that the setxkbmap thing I said?
[00:32] <pace_t_zulu> Sarvatt: what are you referring to?
[00:32] <Adys> Sarvatt: setxkbmap one
[00:32] <Sarvatt> oh I'm sorry, got you mixed up with Adys
[00:33] <pace_t_zulu> Sarvatt: no worries
[00:33] <Sarvatt> ahh yeah thats intentional
[00:33] <Adys> why?
[00:33] <kklimonda> yoasif: don't know when new version is going to be uploaded to KK though. It may take few days.
[00:34] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt: I don't see that on my Shortcut
[00:34] <Sarvatt> i was just saying a temporary way you can change it, you can permenantly set it in system - preferences - keyboard - layout - layout options
[00:34] <BUGabundo> ohh layout
[00:34] <BUGabundo> wrong place
[00:34] <Adys> Oh right
[00:34] <yoasif> kklimonda, lame, but not a huge deal... i have to file a laptop overheating bug anyway
[00:34] <Adys> Yeha i switched it there. i thought the terminal command would store the pref
[00:34] <Sarvatt> sorry, didnt make that clear
[00:36] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt: so it is the "Special  Keys hadnled in a server"?
[00:37]  * BUGabundo feels ignored by Sarvatt :(
[00:37] <Sarvatt> http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/XKeyboardConfig
[00:46] <arpu> hello
[00:46] <arpu> can someone help me boot in karmic alpha2 from ubuntu grub 9.04 ?
[00:48] <BUGabundo> arpu: hi
[00:48] <BUGabundo> arpu: that's not clear!
[00:48] <BUGabundo> do you want to *upgrade* to karmic from jaunty?
[00:48] <BUGabundo> or do you want to upgrade grub from v1 to v2, while running karmic?
[00:49] <arpu> BUGabundo: no nothing
[00:49] <arpu> i have my working installation on /dev/sda3 with jaunty
[00:49] <arpu> and now i installed kubuntu karmic on /dev/sda4
[00:50] <BUGabundo> ok
[00:50] <arpu> and my i changed my grub file from jaunty
[00:50] <arpu> to
[00:51] <arpu> http://paste.railsbox.eu/show/30/
[00:51] <arpu> but after boot i get file not found
[01:04] <billybigrigger> look in your grub config
[01:04] <billybigrigger> /boot/grub/menu.lst
[01:04] <billybigrigger> pastebin that
[01:05] <billybigrigger> arpu::: ???
[01:05] <billybigrigger> arpu::: ok?
[01:06] <arpu> hello billybigrigger
[01:07] <arpu> my current grub from jaunty ?
[01:07] <arpu> http://paste.railsbox.eu/show/30/
[01:07] <arpu> wait
[01:08] <arpu> billybigrigger: http://paste.railsbox.eu/show/31/
[01:08] <arpu> and i use efi (macbook)
[01:09] <billybigrigger> k
[01:09] <billybigrigger> are you using jaunty or karmic?
[01:10] <arpu> i use jaunty
[01:10] <billybigrigger> but you want to boot to karmic?
[01:10] <arpu> but i installed karmic on /dev/sda4
[01:10] <billybigrigger> and when you select karmic in grub you get what...
[01:10] <billybigrigger> file not found?
[01:10] <arpu> abd i would like to boot in karmic with the grub from jaunty
[01:11] <arpu> yes eroor 15 file not found
[01:11] <billybigrigger> k
[01:11] <billybigrigger> so you see in your menu.list...
[01:11] <arpu> :-/
[01:11] <billybigrigger> title           Ubuntu karmic , kernel 2.6.30-8-generic
[01:11] <billybigrigger> root            (hd0,3)
[01:11] <arpu> yes
[01:11] <arpu> i tested with root and uuid
[01:11] <billybigrigger> your kernel isnt on hd0.3
[01:11] <billybigrigger> so you need to change that
[01:12] <billybigrigger> hold up
[01:13] <billybigrigger> im trying to find a good resource for you to read
[01:13] <billybigrigger> your going to need to boot to the grub shell and find your kernel
[01:13] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: time to write a good wiki page on grub2?
[01:13] <billybigrigger> so when you get to the list of options, press c i think
[01:13] <billybigrigger> hehe ill jot that down :P thanks BUGabundo
[01:14] <billybigrigger> this is so much easier to just do, than to try and explain :P
[01:14] <arpu> billybigrigger:  i know this commands from grub
[01:15] <billybigrigger> k you need to get your grub shell
[01:15] <billybigrigger> are you on the computer? or is it another computer?
[01:17] <billybigrigger> hmmm
[01:17] <arpu> billybigrigger:  is this computer :-/
[01:18] <billybigrigger> find initrd.img-2.6.30-8-generic
[01:18] <billybigrigger> then it *should* tell you what drive its on, (hdX,X)
[01:18] <arpu> sudo mount /dev/disk/by-uuid/302c1a70-dbd4-425e-b7f8-298847fb4571 /media/test/
[01:18] <billybigrigger> no, when you get to your grub shell
[01:18] <arpu> 302... = (uuid) /dev/sda4
[01:18] <billybigrigger> grub> find initrd.img-2.6.30-8-generic
[01:18] <arpu> ahh
[01:18] <billybigrigger> should tell you what drive its on
[01:19] <arpu> ok i give it a try
[01:19] <billybigrigger> hold on 1 sec haha
[01:19] <billybigrigger> im wrong
[01:19] <billybigrigger> you need to...
[01:19] <arpu> i think the path is correct
[01:20] <billybigrigger> find /grub/stage1
[01:20] <billybigrigger> err /boot/grub/stage1
[01:20] <billybigrigger> then enter root (hdX,X) for which ever disk you want to boot
[01:21] <arpu> (hd0,3) should be ok i think
[01:21] <billybigrigger> k
[01:21] <billybigrigger> well try it
[01:22] <billybigrigger> actually that wont work
[01:22] <billybigrigger> title           Ubuntu karmic , kernel 2.6.30-8-generic
[01:22] <billybigrigger> root            (hd0,3)
[01:22] <billybigrigger> as it can't find it on 0,3 to begin with
[01:22] <billybigrigger> find stage1 will tell you where your root it
[01:22] <billybigrigger> s/it/is
[01:22] <billybigrigger> then you need to change it from 0,3 to whatever
[01:23] <billybigrigger> but my pizza's burning, give it a try and come back if it doesn't work
[01:23] <arpu> yeahh
[01:23] <arpu> cu :>
[01:23] <arpu> thx
[01:28] <arpu> re
[01:28] <arpu> billybigrigger: (hd0,2) you see this is my jaunty installation :-/
[01:42] <billybigrigger> yeah
[01:42] <billybigrigger> ahh he left
[01:42]  * BUGabundo cd ~/caminha
[01:43] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo::: where would the grub2 wiki page go?
[01:43] <billybigrigger> ?
[01:43] <billybigrigger> just /Grub2
[01:43] <BUGabundo> sure why not
[01:43] <BUGabundo> then ping Colin to make it _official_
[01:43] <BUGabundo> on help.ubuntu.com
[01:43] <BUGabundo> night! o/
[01:44] <billybigrigger> night
[01:45] <Sarvatt> yosaif: if you want to see if its fixed -- https://edge.launchpad.net/~sarvatt/+archive/ppa/+sourcepub/653167/+listing-archive-extra
[01:45] <Sarvatt> well as soon as it's published in a minute or two
[01:50] <Sarvatt> hasn't crashed for me yet, built it about an hour ago and i was lucky to go 15 minutes before
[06:40] <tgpraveen> does karmic's messaging indicator currently support empathy?
[06:41] <tgpraveen> also am on jaunty and dual boot with win xp so if I upgrade now to karmic will my win xp get busted due to grub2 mess?
[06:50] <tgpraveen> ??
[06:50] <tgpraveen> !empathy
[06:51] <tgpraveen> !banshee
[06:51] <tgpraveen> !banshee version
[06:51] <tgpraveen> !telepathy
[06:52] <tgpraveen>  also am on jaunty and dual boot with win xp so if I upgrade now to karmic will my win xp get busted due to grub2 mess?
[07:12] <bullgard4> tgpraveen: What is the name of the DEB program package of " karmic's messaging indicator"?
[07:13] <scizzo-> bullgard4: ?
[07:13] <tgpraveen> indicator-applet
[07:13] <tgpraveen> http://launchpad.net/indicator-applet
[07:13] <bullgard4> tgpraveen: Thank you.
[07:13] <tgpraveen> well no one has replied to my query so have started upgrade to karmic
[07:13] <tgpraveen> hope it goes well
[07:14] <tgpraveen> *fingers crossed*
[07:25] <micahg1> is this the place to talk about papercuts?
[07:25] <tgpraveen> micahg1: you might
[07:25] <Adys> Anyone had any problems with pulse+vlc after upgrading?
[07:25] <micahg1> Are bugs that are already fixed supposed to be paper cuts?
[07:25] <tgpraveen> if you want to talk with other users and nbot devs
[07:26] <tgpraveen> micahg1: no. paper cuts are bugs that have yet to be fixed
[07:26] <micahg1> ok, so bug 187313 was mistakenly marked as a papercut
[07:27] <micahg1> should I just mark invalid tgpraveen?
[07:27] <tgpraveen> micahg1: is it only confirmed or is it fixed also?
[07:27] <micahg1> fixed in ubuntu
[07:27] <micahg1> confirmed in iceweasel
[07:27] <RichardWolfVI> hello, Inkscape is segfaulting for me without notice
[07:27] <tgpraveen> micahg1: mark as invalid
[07:27] <micahg1> and opensuse
[07:27] <micahg1> don't know why ubottu did that
[07:27] <tgpraveen> micahg1: did what?
[07:28] <micahg1> picked the Confirmed status from a non ubuntu project
[07:30] <micahg1> tgpraveen: is this text ok? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/196830/
[07:31] <tgpraveen> micahg1: +1
[07:31] <micahg1> ok
[07:31] <micahg1> I didn't even know about this channel :)
[07:32] <tgpraveen> micahg1: this channel is actually more geared towards users using karmic and not really for development work
[07:33] <micahg1> ok
[07:33] <micahg1> well didn't know where to go for the papercuts
[07:33] <micahg1> I knew it was associated with Karmic and looked for an appropriate channel
[07:33] <micahg1> so, karmic user support
[07:33] <RichardWolfVI> !paste
[07:34] <micahg1> tgpraveen: is there a more appropriate channel for the papercuts?  #ubuntu-devel?
[07:34] <tgpraveen> yes
[07:34] <micahg1> ok :)
[07:34] <micahg1> will note for the future
[07:35] <micahg1> thanks for your help anyways tgpraveen
[07:35] <tgpraveen> micahg1: you are welcome
[07:35] <tgpraveen> !
[08:05] <Machtin> hey guys..
[08:05] <tgpraveen> hey
[08:06] <Machtin> i just noticed: kubuntu asks me for my luks-passphrase when i boot.. (i boot with splash screen or whatever it's called).. so when i type the passphrase.. it's displayed as ****..
[08:06] <Machtin> instead of not displaying anything.. like i know it from.. entering your root-pass for example
[08:07] <Machtin> however.. when i go to tty7 while booting, i can read my passphrase unencrypted
[08:07] <Machtin> just like i would have typed it in there
[08:07] <Machtin> i mean.. after entering it
[08:07] <Machtin> in my opinion, that's a security bug
[08:07] <RAOF> That sounds pretty bad, yes.
[08:07] <RAOF> File a bug; usplash will be the package you're after.
[08:08] <Machtin> just ran it
[08:08] <Machtin> hope that was good?
[08:09] <RAOF> Ah, no.  I meant file a bug _against_ the usplash package.
[08:09] <RAOF> Running "ubuntu-bug -p usplash" will start doing what you should do.
[08:09] <Machtin> ah, i see
[08:09] <Machtin> thanks
[08:09] <RAOF> Follow the Launchpad prompts :)
[08:09] <Machtin> uhm.. meanwhile.. should i remove "splash" from the menu.lst?
[08:10] <RAOF> That will stop the splash screen, yes.
[08:10] <RAOF> How long can you read your passphrase for?
[08:18] <Machtin> RAOF: can't tell..
[08:18] <Machtin> i can't continue booting when i switch to ctrl+alt+f7
[08:19] <Machtin> just came to my mind that i already saw this bug once.. therefore i tried again
[08:19] <RAOF> Sorry... do you switch to VT7 (with ctrl+alt+f7) and then type your passphrase?
[08:19] <RAOF> Or have you entered your passphrase and then hit ctrl+alt+f7?
[08:19] <Machtin> the latter
[08:20] <RAOF> Ubuntu should continue to boot in that case.
[08:20] <Machtin> i think i didn't hit enter after entering it, though
[08:20] <RAOF> Ah.  Then you'd need to go back to VT6 (I think that's where usplash goes) and hit enter :)
[08:21] <Machtin> oh, k
[08:21] <Machtin> didn't know
[08:22] <Machtin> well, filed a bug.. which is private for now :o
[08:23] <Machtin> and now i've gotta go, need to attend a lecture..
[08:24] <Machtin> later! and thanks!
[10:04] <cwillu> BUGabundo, opposite problem:  machines won't turn off the backlights (and will turn them back on after a delay if I xset dpms force off)
[10:04] <BUGabundo> guud day
[10:04] <BUGabundo> cwillu: hi
[10:05] <BUGabundo> cwillu: humm backgroud context?
[10:05] <cwillu> you poked me about a bug yesterday
[10:06] <BUGabundo> I guess
[10:06] <BUGabundo> but that was _yesterday_
[10:06] <cwillu> and I actually had the opposite problem :p
[10:06] <BUGabundo> I can't expect me to remember :)
[10:06] <BUGabundo> ahh right
[10:06] <BUGabundo> the monitor diming/power
[10:06] <BUGabundo> yes, yours was my bug too
[10:07] <BUGabundo> haven't got it on karmic yet
[10:07] <BUGabundo> get a new (or old) one now: movies/flash playing still DIM the screen
[10:07] <BUGabundo> :(
[10:36] <christophsturm> the xorg intel driver in karmic crashes on my x200s as soon as the display is turned off.
[10:51] <RichardWolfVI> hello, Inkscape is segfaulting unexpectedly for no apparent reason
[10:51] <BUGabundo> RichardWolfVI: install the debug symbols and run it on gdb
[10:51] <BUGabundo> !debuging
[10:51] <BUGabundo> !debug
[10:51] <BUGabundo> RichardWolfVI: ^^^
[10:52] <RichardWolfVI> OK, I'm updating the repos to get the debug symbols
[10:54] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: shouldn't apport jump in and send a report?
[10:55] <BUGabundo> I still think its no enabled
[10:55] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: it should be..
[10:55] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: can you confirm with pitti?
[10:59] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: so it isn't enabled until later?
[10:59] <BUGabundo> don't know
[11:00] <BUGabundo> I believe it should be around A2
[11:00] <BUGabundo> but maybe they are going with A3 ?
[11:00] <BUGabundo> to only get more suitable bugs?
[11:00] <BUGabundo> I have to run, so please ask pitti
[11:05]  * BUGabundo bbl
[11:19] <RichardWolfVI> !paste
[11:24] <RichardWolfVI> http://paste.ubuntu.com/196979/
[11:24] <RichardWolfVI> got this output
[12:44] <hateball> I've got a Samsung N120 with a realtek 8192 wireless chipset that doesnt work in Karmic. Any advice where to start looking?
[12:45] <RichardWolfVI> hateball: is the wireless chipset onboard or USB?
[12:46] <hateball> RichardWolfVI: It's a netbook, and it's onboard... I get the chipset info with lspci
[12:46] <RichardWolfVI> what's the specific output for the device?
[12:47] <RichardWolfVI> hateball: The lspci output, I mean
[12:47] <RichardWolfVI> with the identifier
[12:48] <hateball> RichardWolfVI: 02:00.0 Network controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. Device 8192 (rev 01)
[12:49] <RichardWolfVI> use lspci -nn
[12:49] <hateball> RichardWolfVI: 02:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. Device [10ec:8192] (rev 01)
[12:52] <RichardWolfVI> hateball: Iguess the safest bet would be installing ndiswrapper
[12:52] <RichardWolfVI> *I guess
[12:53] <hateball> RichardWolfVI: Well yeah. I'm just wondering if I could bugreport it somewhere and there would be a native module for it :)
[12:53] <RichardWolfVI> hateball: Maybe you can request it, but it's not a bug per se
[12:54] <hateball> RichardWolfVI: True enough. I just dont know the routine around these things. ie do I join the kernel mailing list and bug them, or what?
[12:55] <RichardWolfVI> I think you may just add a request in Launchpad
[12:56] <RichardWolfVI> but since it's a Kernel request you may join the Kernel mailing list as well
[12:56] <hateball> Hmm, reading the forums suggest that it does work in 9.04 tho
[12:56] <RichardWolfVI> be sure to install
[12:57] <RichardWolfVI> linux-restricted-modules and linux-backports-modules
[12:57] <hateball> Yeah, those packages are currently b0rked tho :D
[12:58] <RichardWolfVI> hmm?
[12:58] <RichardWolfVI> In Karmic?
[12:58] <hateball> Oh, only backports modules was... yep in karmic
[12:59] <RichardWolfVI> hateball: I got them right here :/
[12:59] <hateball> RichardWolfVI: aptitude screams and shakes it fist at me if I try grabbing it
[13:00] <RichardWolfVI> update again, I had the issue for a while, but it now seems solved
[13:01] <hateball> might be my mirror isnt up to date then
[13:01] <RichardWolfVI> maybe :/
[13:01] <RichardWolfVI> OK, I have to leave, try with those packages installed.
[13:02] <hateball> hah, now it worked. I tried like 15 minutes ago
[13:02] <hateball> RichardWolfVI: alright, take care :)
[13:04] <oldman_> fontconfig-config query on karmic
[13:05] <oldman_> we seem to have clashing /etc/fonts/conf.d/45-latin.conf vs /etc/fonts/conf.d/60-latin.conf
[13:06] <oldman_> and so ~/.fonts.conf has no power to remap fonts anymore
[13:06] <oldman_> it used to override 45-latin.conf find (as its 50-user.conf) but is now overriden itself by 60-latin.conf (which similarly overrides 40-latin.conf)
[13:06] <oldman_> anyhow, i'll raise an ubuntu-bug for it
[13:15] <oldman_> fwiw https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fontconfig/+bug/387848
[14:11] <dupondje> Broadcom is the hell :( they really can't make descent drivers it seems :(
[14:18] <timing> Is there an irc channel where I can talk to driver developers for built-in 3G modems?
[14:19] <timing> I really want to put ubuntu on my acer aspire onewith 3G
[14:19] <timing> there is linpus on it now
[14:20] <joaopinto> timing, you could test drive the alhpa 2 live cd, and open a bug report if your card does not work
[14:41] <RobertF> Hello
[14:41] <RobertF> I installed 9.10 (alpha2)...
[14:42] <RobertF> frederic is not in the sudoers file.. the incident will be reported
[14:42] <dupondje> read the error ?
[14:43] <dupondje> and u know whats wrong ? :)
[14:43] <RobertF> i can't edit /etc/sudoers. The message is "frederic is not in the sudoers file"
[14:43] <joaopinto> RobertF, was tha user created by the installer ?
[14:43] <joaopinto> or was you ?
[14:43] <RobertF> joaopinto: frederic
[14:44] <joaopinto> RobertF, was the frederic user you set during install, or was it created by you manually after the install ?
[14:45] <RobertF> joaopinto: the user has been created during the installed
[14:45] <joaopinto> RobertF, maybe you removed yourself from the admin group ?
[14:46] <RobertF> i can't edit /etc/group & /etc/admin
[14:47] <dupondje> RobertF: do: groups frederic
[14:50] <RobertF> dupondje: it's done.
[14:50] <RobertF> dupondje: the problem is always the same
[14:50] <RobertF> dupondje: is it a bug?
[14:51] <dupondje> gimme output of it :)
[14:51] <little> i use karmic, j can  i run a distro from GRUB2?
[14:52] <dupondje> little: and now a understandable sentence plz :)
[14:52] <joaopinto> lol
[14:53] <RobertF> is it a bug?
[14:53] <dupondje> RobertF: gimme output of groups frederic ...
[14:54] <joaopinto> RobertF, first you need to understand how  group and sudo works, please follow dupondje suggestion
[14:54] <little> grub2 can start any linux distro
[14:55] <joaopinto> little, you mean, you have installed grub2 and want to start another linux distro installed on another partition ?
[14:55] <joaopinto> I remember seeing something on the release notes about that
[14:56] <little> no , j want to play it from grub2, not from the partition, by livecd
[14:56] <Pici> grub2 is not being installed if you do an upgrade, only if you do a fresh install of Karmic
[14:56] <little> j use already grub2
[14:57] <RobertF> joaopinto: i did it but the problem is always the same
[14:57] <dupondje> RobertF: I need the OUTPUT
[14:57] <dupondje> Copy / PASTE ?
[14:58] <dupondje> some people should first do a quiz before being able to get an Alpha release :P
[14:59] <joaopinto> :P
[15:00] <RobertF> dupondje: the output is frederic is not in the sudoers file.. the incident will be reported
[15:01] <BluesKaj> Good Day all
[15:01] <joaopinto> RobertF, that output of the groups command !
[15:01] <joaopinto> RobertF, I am sorry to inform you that you are not qualified to use an alpha version
[15:03] <RobertF> joaopinto: groups frederic ==> frederic : frederic (output)
[15:03] <dupondje> RobertF: finally, well you should be in 'admins' group to be able to use sudo
[15:03] <dupondje> you aren't (either because you deleted yourself or because of a bug)
[15:04] <dupondje> boot into recover mode, get root, add frederic to admins group & enjoy
[15:07] <aemyr> Upgrade to kk worked perfectly, even grub2. mb is gigabyte p35-ds4 rev 1.0 ; bios version: F13. Thanks for a great dev. version so far
[15:08] <RobertF> dupondje: dupondje i think, it's a bug
[15:16] <RobertF> dupondje: it's not working..
[15:17] <RobertF> i added frederic in groups root:frederic or adm:frederic (the problem is the same)
[15:18] <RobertF> i'll try later.. i must to go out
[15:19] <dupondje> noobs :(
[15:20] <charlie-tca> we all were once
[15:21] <dupondje> true :p
[15:32] <aemyr> !bugs
[15:36] <little> is ubuntu going to be sell on netbook
[15:37] <frandavid100> hiya
[15:40] <frandavid100> do you guys know how to test empathy 2.27.3?
[15:40] <frandavid100> the newest version in the ppa seems to be .2
[15:43] <tgpraveen1> frandavid100: people are working on making the
[15:43] <tgpraveen1> .3 version
[15:44] <tgpraveen1> available if you can wait a day or maybe less
[15:44] <tgpraveen1> else come on #telepathy and ask
[15:44] <tgpraveen1> to compile from git
[15:44] <frandavid100> sure, its only it said in planet ubuntu that it was available in the ppa
[15:44] <frandavid100> so I got kinda confused
[15:44] <frandavid100> I got no problem waiting
[15:44] <frandavid100> thanks :)
[15:44] <tgpraveen1> frandavid100: read that post too it seems it is incorrect
[15:45] <frandavid100> certainly
[16:12] <tgpraveen1> anybody know if there si a ppa for gnome shell?
[16:22] <frandavid100> looked for that the other day, couldn't find any
[16:24] <tgpraveen1> yeah me too can't find it
[16:24] <tgpraveen1> darn wanted to see how it was doing
[16:24] <tgpraveen1> :-(
[16:24] <frandavid100> I guess it'll appear in karmic repos at some point
[16:25] <frandavid100> I did install it once though
[16:25] <frandavid100> it really isn't difficult
[16:25] <frandavid100> if you just wanna check it out, you could give it a shot
[16:27] <frandavid100> wow, I just realised ekiga isn't installed by default anymore
[16:30] <tgpraveen1> frandavid100: yay! I never did like ekiga.
[16:30] <frandavid100> I wanted to
[16:31] <frandavid100> but I never gave it use
[16:49] <stormy2k> Hello everyone. Has anyone else problems with installing the package "sun-java6-doc"?
[17:00] <tgpraveen1> frandavid100: so is empathy the default now?
[17:07] <Twigathy> http://blogs.computerworld.com/linux_2_6_30s_best_five_features <-- FS-Cache is relevent to my interests c_c
[17:14] <ripps> Does anybody have any bluetooth issues with 2.6.30?
[17:15] <tgpraveen1> for me bluetooth has not worked since intrepid it worked on hardy though
[17:16] <tgpraveen1> and using hardy kernel+intrepid also it worked
[17:16] <tgpraveen1> :-(
[17:18] <ripps> Well, technically, I'm using jaunty, but I'm using the 2.6.30 mainline kernel, and my kensinton micro usb bluetooth dongle doesn't work with it. it works with 2.6.29 and earlier, so I was wondering if i was because I was using 2.6.30 with jaunty...
[17:40] <yoasif> can someone please confirm this bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/frozen-bubble/+bug/386104
[17:59] <frandavid100> do you guys know if empathy has an IRC channel?
[18:00] <tgpraveen1> frandavid100: #telepathy
[18:09] <frandavid100> thanks a lot man
[18:17] <maxb> That was a bit peculiar - gnome-screensaver didn't want to relinquish its hold, hanging with a plain black screen with a flickering mouse pointer - I had to kill it from another VT
[19:48] <ripps> So... nobody else has any bluetooth issues with kernel 2.6.30
[19:57] <tgpraveen1> hi anybody using
[19:57] <tgpraveen1> banshee here
[19:58] <tgpraveen1> I am on 1.5
[19:58] <tgpraveen1> and the context pane is grayed out
[19:58] <tgpraveen1> I want to use this any idea?
[19:58] <tgpraveen1> any body is using it properly?
[20:03] <billybigrigger> version 1.4.3-5 in the repos
[20:03] <billybigrigger> where'd you get 1.5?
[20:13] <tgpraveen1> unstable ppa
[20:44] <legodude> just upgraded to alpha2, is X slow for everyone?
[20:45] <legodude> like most redraws are ~100x slower than jaunty
[20:47] <legodude> this is with and without compositing enabled
[20:47] <legodude> and my uvc cam stopped working :(
[21:08] <legodude> oh yeah, and X is often maxing out one cpu
[21:19] <BUGabundo> boas noites
[21:55] <dupondje> yelp broken for everybody ?
[21:55] <dupondje> :)
[21:56] <billybigrigger> broken as in how?
[21:56] <billybigrigger> as in won't run
[21:56] <billybigrigger> ya
[21:56] <dupondje> yep, segfaults
[21:56] <billybigrigger> :P are you filling a bug?
[21:57] <billybigrigger> ill subscribe and upload my report if you have one open
[21:57] <dupondje> If isn't doesn't exist yet :D
[21:58] <dupondje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/yelp/+bug/382119
[21:58] <dupondje> already existing :P
[21:58] <billybigrigger> k
[21:58] <billybigrigger> ill append my report to it
[22:01] <kklimonda> hmm... what was a procedure to get a list of packages that are newer than version in official repository?
[22:04] <iizarianW> okay vbscript is fucking gay
[22:04] <iizarianW> javascript is more powerful than that shit
[22:05] <iizarianW> oops im sorry wrong channel window :D
[22:06] <dupondje> apporting :P
[22:06] <dupondje> lets make launchpad goes overflow :D
[22:06] <dupondje> to much bugs :D
[22:08] <billybigrigger> there
[22:11] <dupondje> added mine also
[22:11] <dupondje> bugggyyyy :D
[22:11] <dupondje> and after 2 weeks
[22:11] <dupondje> audacious-plugins is still not merged :(
[22:11] <dupondje> ffs
[22:14] <BUGabundo> iizarianW: I know it was an accident! but please try to be careful with you language!
[22:16] <dupondje> we still have to many bugs ! :D
[22:16] <dupondje> lets hope my network driver gets fixed also :p
[22:16] <dupondje> Broadcom is getting pissed off :) 2 bugs in 1 week :P
[22:18] <iizarianW> BUGabundo yes i was think i was focused in on a private channel. Don't really want to blurt things out in public :/
[22:18] <iizarianW> thinking*
[22:33] <virtuald> something got stuck, mouse clicks are ignored and i can't alt-tab
[22:33] <virtuald> how annoying
[22:34] <virtuald> hah
[22:34] <virtuald> right clicks works though, but it's still stuck
[22:35] <virtuald> wheel doesn't work either
[22:35] <virtuald> what am i gonna do
[22:35] <BUGabundo> virtuald: dead compiz ?
[22:35] <BUGabundo> jump to a TTY?
[22:35] <virtuald> no
[22:36] <virtuald> tty-jumping didn't work either :>
[22:36] <virtuald> tried that
[22:36] <virtuald> i mean, it didn't unstick it
[22:36] <virtuald> but i can switch to a tty
[22:36] <virtuald> right clicks stopped working now
[22:37] <billybigrigger> notebook?
[22:37] <virtuald> nope
[22:38] <billybigrigger> recent updates?
[22:38]  * BUGabundo forgot to update today
[22:38] <billybigrigger> me to
[22:38] <virtuald> it's happened before
[22:38] <virtuald> but i did update some hours ago
[22:39] <virtuald> btw i'm running graphics drivers from the radeon-kms ppa so it might have to do with that
[22:40] <virtuald> new gtk2 package
[22:40]  * BUGabundo runs UM
[22:40] <billybigrigger> a few new gtk packages
[22:41] <BUGabundo> you call 110MiBs little ??
[22:41] <DanaG> my international keybaord layout stopped working
[22:41] <billybigrigger> who?
[22:41] <DanaG> so now I can't use international characters.
[22:41] <BUGabundo> damn... its 1/3 rd of the OS
[22:42] <BUGabundo> DanaG: lots of changes to it
[22:42] <DanaG> I
[22:42] <BUGabundo> maybe you got caught in the midle ground
[22:42] <DanaG> I'm using the xinput2 ppa, by the way.
[22:43] <billybigrigger> errrrr
[22:44] <billybigrigger> someone want to talk a look in their syslog
[22:44] <billybigrigger> and compared to mine
[22:44] <billybigrigger> http://pastebin.com/f7cd270ec
[22:44] <billybigrigger> mine is chalk full of these I/O errors....
[22:44] <billybigrigger> Jun 16 15:43:30 cabo kernel: [410430.805537] end_request: I/O error, dev fd0, sector 0
[22:44] <billybigrigger> Jun 16 15:43:43 cabo kernel: [410443.013250] end_request: I/O error, dev fd0, sector 0
[22:44] <billybigrigger> Jun 16 15:43:55 cabo kernel: [410455.217499] end_request: I/O error, dev fd0, sector 0
[22:45] <billybigrigger> every few seconds, maybe because i don't have an fd0???
[22:45]  * BUGabundo checking
[22:46] <BUGabundo> nothing even close to that
[22:46] <BUGabundo> laptop btw
[22:46] <billybigrigger> hmm
[22:46] <billybigrigger> /dev/fd0 exists....
[22:46] <virtuald> is DeviceKit the new name for hal?
[22:47] <billybigrigger> i just don't have a floppy drive on this machine
[22:48] <billybigrigger> yes
[22:48] <billybigrigger> "hal" (which is going to be deprecated soon) to "DeviceKit-power" and "udev-extras".
[22:49] <virtuald> ok
[22:50] <virtuald> why?
[22:51] <billybigrigger> dunno
[22:54] <billybigrigger> [   21.248543] end_request: I/O error, dev fd0, sector 0
[22:54] <billybigrigger> [   33.424762] end_request: I/O error, dev fd0, sector 0
[22:54] <billybigrigger> [   33.424765] Buffer I/O error on device fd0, logical block 0
[22:54] <billybigrigger> [   45.601822] end_request: I/O error, dev fd0, sector 0
[22:54] <billybigrigger> im getting those in my dmesg aswell
[22:55] <billybigrigger> [    2.269476] Floppy drive(s): fd0 is 1.44M
[22:55] <billybigrigger> wierd, i don't have a fdd
[22:55] <billybigrigger> hence my I/O errors :P
[22:57] <billybigrigger> is it possible to find out when a package on my system was last updated?
[22:57] <maxb> billybigrigger: LP 384469
[22:57] <billybigrigger> devkit-disks-daemon seems to be the culprit of my problem
[22:57] <DanaG> http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=10978&start=30
[22:57] <DanaG> yargh!
[22:57] <billybigrigger> yeah
[22:57] <billybigrigger> thanks maxb
[22:57] <DanaG> http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=95000
[22:57] <billybigrigger> poop on OO.o
[22:58] <BUGabundo> DanaG: that's an old bug!
[22:58] <BUGabundo> I filed onejust like that 6 months ago
[22:58] <DanaG> well, I'm getting some "insufficient user rights" issue.
[22:58] <DanaG> Trying to save to a file I know damn well I have rights to.
[22:58] <DanaG> Oh, and openoffice just plain crashed, this time.
[22:59] <DanaG> failed to run apport-collect as root... failed to copy xauth file.
[22:59] <robin0800> billybigrigger, Look atfstab and rem fd0 and blacklist .conf and add floppy driver
[22:59] <DanaG> rem fd0 andblacklist.conf?
[22:59] <DanaG> er, rather:
[22:59] <DanaG> comment out fd0, and make a NEW modprobe.d file of some sort.
[22:59] <DanaG> like, blacklist-floppy.conf
[22:59] <billybigrigger> oops
[23:00] <billybigrigger> :D
[23:01] <DanaG> Firefox is also telling me it has no space to write temp files.
[23:01] <DanaG> Yet, / is not full.
[23:01] <DanaG> Filesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[23:01] <DanaG> /dev/sda6             9.5G  8.5G  576M  94% /
[23:01] <billybigrigger> how bout your home?
[23:02] <billybigrigger> after blacklisting floppy i should run sudo update-initramfs -u
[23:02] <billybigrigger> correct?
[23:04] <robin0800> billybigrigger, yes and first sudo depmod -ae
[23:04] <billybigrigger> whoops :P
[23:04] <DanaG> document is open for writing by (unknown user)
[23:04] <DanaG> wtf?\
[23:04] <billybigrigger> robin0800::: still getting those IO errors
[23:05] <billybigrigger> can i not avoid a reboot here somehow?
[23:05] <robin0800> billybigrigger, Reboot
[23:05] <DanaG> sudo modprobe -r floppy
[23:05] <billybigrigger> bah
[23:05] <billybigrigger> :P
[23:05] <DanaG> try that?
[23:05] <billybigrigger> billybigrigger@cabo:/etc/modprobe.d$ sudo modprobe -r floppy
[23:05] <billybigrigger> FATAL: Module floppy is in use.
[23:05] <DanaG> fuser -v /dev/fd0
[23:06] <billybigrigger> returns nothing sudo fuser doesn't either
[23:06] <DanaG> odd.
[23:06] <virtuald> weird, i can select text in one gnome terminal and type in the other, but not switch apps
[23:06] <billybigrigger> and floppy module is still in use
[23:06] <virtuald> i can even paste and scroll in the other gnome-terminal, but not switch tabs
[23:07] <DanaG> error saving the document: file could not be opened.
[23:07] <DanaG> wtf?
[23:07] <billybigrigger> gnome-terminal supports tabs now??!?!!?
[23:07] <virtuald> btw, irc is in one of ther terminals
[23:07] <virtuald> billybigrigger: since ages
[23:07] <billybigrigger> i've been using a kde term, yakuake :P
[23:07] <virtuald> ok
[23:07] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: does it since forever?
[23:09]  * billybigrigger crosses fingers
[23:09] <billybigrigger> well hopefully i make it back
[23:09] <DanaG> Unable to copy the user's Xauthorization file.
[23:11] <DanaG> http://pastebin.com/f2d46cd00
[23:11] <DanaG> there's my /tmp
[23:14] <DanaG> oh, /tmp wasn't mounted... wtf?
[23:16] <DanaG> great... now it's telling me my password is WRONG.
[23:22] <billybigrigger> what auto-mounts raid devices on boot? every time i boot i get this error from fsck http://pastebin.com/f641085bc
[23:23] <billybigrigger> i can manually create the array no problems after i login with sudo mdadm -A /dev/md0 /dev/sda1 /dev/sdc1
[23:23] <billybigrigger> and then mounting /dev/md0
[23:24] <virtuald> i figure it's gksu that stuck
[23:24] <billybigrigger> that wasn't directed towards me was it
[23:24] <virtuald> no iM talking to myself
[23:24] <cwillu> BUGabundo, do me a favour:  print preview something using 6 pages per sheet and page ordering top-to-bottom,left-to-right, and tell me if it does it top to bottom, or bottom-to-top
[23:24] <DanaG> ugh, this 1280x1024 screen has so very tiny screen real estate.
[23:25] <DanaG> I'm used to my nice, big 1920x1200.
[23:25] <cwillu> DanaG, increase the dpi :p
[23:25] <billybigrigger> virtuald::: gksu? isn't that used to run GTK apps as superuser?
[23:25] <virtuald> yes
[23:25] <BUGabundo> cwillu: can you serve that in two plates, please!
[23:25] <virtuald> but i ran it from the terminal
[23:25] <DanaG> 1280x1024 is a rather STUPID resolution, anyway.
[23:25] <virtuald> and pressed ctrl-z and then bg 1 to put it in the background
[23:25] <DanaG> I mean, 5:4?  wtf were they thinking?
[23:25] <cwillu> BUGabundo, you know how you can print something so that several pages fit on each sheet?
[23:25] <billybigrigger> virtuald::: so, as i said, that wasn't directed towards me was it
[23:26] <BUGabundo> cwillu: I should know
[23:26] <BUGabundo> flooding gedit now
[23:26] <BUGabundo> humm gedit only goes up to 2x2 cwillu
[23:27] <cwillu> try it in evince
[23:27]  * BUGabundo open Ubuntu Pocket book
[23:27] <virtuald> billybigrigger: no like i said, i'm talking to myself. (or anyone interested)
[23:27] <cwillu> BUGabundo, oh, you're looking at a different buttobn
[23:27] <cwillu> and gedit doesn't give a proper print preview
[23:27] <billybigrigger> virtuald::: sorry thought you were joking :P
[23:27] <virtuald> :>
[23:27] <BUGabundo> cwillu: I am?
[23:28] <BUGabundo> im looking at the one *before* printing
[23:28] <cwillu> it's a tab in the print dialog itself
[23:28] <cwillu> page setup
[23:29] <virtuald> were does upstart put stuff that used to be in /etc/init.d/?
[23:30] <cwillu> virtuald, /etc/events.d, but almost everything is still in /etc/init.d
[23:31] <DanaG> event.d
[23:31] <DanaG> not plural.  = t
[23:31] <DanaG> =P
[23:31] <virtuald> ok
[23:31]  * cwillu smacks DanaG with a stick :p
[23:31]  * DanaG smacks cwillu with a funnoodle.
[23:31] <BUGabundo> cwillu: I'm lost
[23:31] <DanaG> =P
[23:32] <BUGabundo> see no such thing
[23:32] <BUGabundo> and you are not using my nick so I'm lost in the chat too
[23:32] <BUGabundo> cwillu: page setup only has format and paper size
[23:32] <cwillu> BUGabundo, when you print something, you see the page setup tab?
[23:32] <cwillu> ood
[23:33] <BUGabundo> cwillu: is it print setup or page setup?
[23:33]  * kklimonda pokes BUGabundo 
[23:33] <cwillu> file | print...
[23:33] <cwillu> and then page setup
[23:33] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: sorry! I said I was a lot busy
[23:33]  * cwillu pokes BUGabundo :p
[23:34] <BUGabundo> be right with you , as soon as I close 8 other IMs
[23:34] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: you did? It sounded like "I'm waiting for pidgin to restart" ;)
[23:34] <kklimonda> :D
[23:34] <BUGabundo> cwillu: ok see it
[23:34] <DanaG> damnit, now I can't change any of my settings -- they don't change!
[23:34] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: that was away long agio
[23:34] <BUGabundo> cwillu: 6x6?
[23:34] <BUGabundo> err 3x3 ?
[23:34] <BUGabundo> I can't do math
[23:34] <BUGabundo> cwillu: 3x2 ?
[23:35] <DanaG> Damnit, 86 DPI... how pathetic.
[23:35] <cwillu> 6 up, 3x2
[23:35] <cwillu> and set the columns so you'd read it as if there were 3 columns
[23:35] <cwillu> 135
[23:35] <cwillu> 246
[23:36] <BUGabundo> done
[23:36] <BUGabundo> top bot, lef righ
[23:36] <BUGabundo> next cwillu?
[23:36] <cwillu> first: does the print preview actually show that layout?
[23:37]  * BUGabundo processing 170 pages
[23:37] <BUGabundo> err
[23:37] <BUGabundo> its rotated
[23:37] <BUGabundo> but looks like it is :
[23:37] <BUGabundo> 2 4 6
[23:37] <BUGabundo> 1 3 5
[23:37] <cwillu> okay, next, is the first page of the file showing up in the right spot?
[23:38] <BUGabundo> need to zoom in
[23:38] <cwillu> nope
[23:38] <cwillu> that's evince or a different viewer?
[23:38] <BUGabundo> cover is on Left top corner
[23:38] <cwillu> so, upside down from what you asked it to do, basically?
[23:38] <cwillu> that's what I'm seeing too, but only on 2x3
[23:40] <BUGabundo> cwillu: evidence
[23:41] <BUGabundo> yeah pages number confirm wrong order
[23:41] <BUGabundo> BUT its side ways
[23:41] <BUGabundo> not top botom view mode
[23:41] <DanaG> If I wanted a 147 DPI desktop LCD.... I'd have to pay a total of around 700 bucks.
[23:41] <DanaG> Essentially, I'd have to buy a LAPTOP lcd and a controller card.
[23:41] <cwillu> BUGabundo, landscape is correct for that layout
[23:42] <cwillu> but the ordering is wrong
[23:42] <BUGabundo> cwillu: 2 pages is ok
[23:42] <BUGabundo> testing 16
[23:43] <BUGabundo> seem okaish
[23:43] <BUGabundo> cwillu: file a bug, upstream it, sub me
[23:43]  * BUGabundo closes evidence and goes looking at kklimonda log
[23:47] <DanaG> wtf... firefox is giving me an "out of space to save .part file" error even BEFORE asking me where to save the file!
[23:48] <cwillu> DanaG, it starts the download immediately
[23:49] <cwillu> like anything else you would click on (remember that the server is already sending the content, otherwise firefox wouldn't even know yet that it's a content type that it normally downloads to disk rather than simply viewing)
[23:50] <cwillu> so unless the browser is going to make a second request to get the pieces that it dropped, it has to save them somewhere
[23:50] <cwillu> BUGabundo, looks like it just doesn't respect the layout options at all in 6up mode
[23:51] <BUGabundo> cwillu: yes. bug non the less
[23:52] <cwillu> yes, but the one bug hadn't been reported, while the other bug already has two dupes :p
[23:52] <joaopinto> DanaG, doesn't firefox starts downloading in advance ?
[23:52] <joaopinto> ops, cwillu already told that
[23:52] <virtuald> x and gnome suddenly accept my clicks. and the world rejoice.
[23:53] <BUGabundo> cwillu: what other?
[23:53] <BUGabundo> joaopinto: it used to
[23:53] <cwillu> BUGabundo, other phrasing
[23:53] <cwillu> BUGabundo, just giving you the play by play, don't mind me :p