[00:00] TheMuso: I agree, not my thing really [00:00] Ok. How does one officially claim a package, since I am new to the team in terms of process? [00:01] TheMuso: There is not process at the moment. Just open a bug for the update, then make the changes [00:01] there is no "official claiming" [00:02] we tend to know who do upgrades usually and let things continue this way [00:02] so feel free to do the update [00:03] Ok I'll take care of it then. [00:03] soc1: but the patch is simpler, see debian/gconf-defaults e.g. in totem [00:05] ah thanks, ok [00:29] robert_ancell: mhh ok, totem-common.gconf-defaults ... [00:29] but i guess i need to edit the scheme ... because i don't want to change a particular panel, but every panel which will ever be generated [00:31] soc1: Don't you want to set the default value of the gconf key? So all users who have not chosen a preference will get the ones you want [00:32] soc1: setting gconf-defaults will modify the schema defaults as it is installed [00:38] ah ok [00:38] thanks === rickspencer3 is now known as rickspencer3-afk [00:40] /schemas/apps/panel/global/panel_show_delay 0 should do it, right? [00:47] Whats the usual procedure for updating the autoconf stuff when configure.ac is patched? Is it a matter of installing gnome-common, and running autogen.sh, and turning the resulting autoconf file changes into a patch? [00:51] robert_ancell: ^^ are you able to answer my query, given what you've done so far? This is what I would normally do, but I am wondering whether the desktop team has a different procedure. [00:52] TheMuso: Seb showed me to run "autoreconf" and if that doesn't work run "gnome-autogen.sh". But either is fine as long as it builds [00:52] soc1: Yes [00:53] robert_ancell: Ok that helps, thanks. === asac_ is now known as asac [07:02] Good morning [07:28] hey robert_ancell! [07:28] (congrats for releasing gcalctool :D) [07:29] hey didrocks [07:29] robert_ancell: good morning [07:29] pitti: hey, up early! [07:29] robert_ancell: not really, 8:30 here [07:30] didrocks: It was really broken too. I'm just glad I got it together enough to make a working release! [07:30] pitti: as I said, early :O) [07:30] I'm already here for half an hour :) [07:30] hi pitti ;) [07:30] robert_ancell: pitti is watching you ^^ [07:31] didrocks: I was wondering who installed the webcam in the corner of my office... [07:31] robert_ancell: :) [07:31] robert_ancell: did you update/worked on brasero (and gnome-games?) [07:32] didrocks: not yet, been working on compiz and plan to do some packaging now. Feel free to do any you want... [07:33] ok, will begin with brasero. Then, gnome-games if I have some time [07:36] * didrocks needs to take a bzr backport as I can't pull from my intrepid server because of repostiroy format... [08:04] seb128 is going to kill me [08:05] I'm going through paper cut bugs and most of the ones that don't have a package assigned seem to be for either nautilus, gtk+2.0, or gnome-control-center :P [08:08] the ux and design teams are getting spammed too :P [08:18] I'm doing cheese :) [08:21] robert_ancell: 2.27.2-0ubuntu2 has never been released (you didn't ask for sponsorship). I include it with the new version and upload to universe [08:21] robert_ancell: btw in changelog: "Fix enviornments typo" <- this is collector :) [08:22] didrocks: collector? [08:24] robert_ancell: at first glance, I was thinking your wrongly typoed "environment" in changelog but indeed, you was just quoting the typo :) [08:25] didrocks: :) [08:30] didrocks: I'm trying to update the autoreconf patch for evince but running autoreconf is making it huge! how did you make your patch so small? [08:30] hello everybody [08:30] seb128: hi seb [08:31] robert_ancell, evince only requires autoconf [08:31] seb128: how do you know that? [08:31] because only the configure.ac changed [08:31] hey seb128, bonjour [08:31] you need autoreconf when you have changes to makefile.aml for example [08:31] hello pitti [08:31] seb128: ah, i see [08:31] configure update -> autoconf [08:32] that's what we do for most of the launchpad integration changes [08:32] a lot of my patches will be too big... [08:32] IANAAG, but doesn't that sometimes also require aclocal? [08:32] pitti, dunno, I'm running autoconf only for years and it's working [08:32] okay [08:32] pitti, could be technically wrong but that does the job [08:32] well, it should complain/fail if it wants aclocal, anyway [08:33] well usually launchpad integration changes are "launchpad-integration" added to a pkg-config line [08:33] robert_ancell: just make sure to rm -r autom4te.cache/, then it should be okay [08:33] so it's nothing to do with aclocal [08:33] pitti: What is in the cache? I delete that out of the resultant patch file [08:34] robert_ancell: you can do that as well, I just find it easier to rm before I create the patch [08:34] sure [08:34] robert_ancell: it speeds up subsequent auto* runs, but these are huge, and by and large just junk [08:34] * robert_ancell doesn't believe there is such a thing as an autoconf guru. Autoconf is where skynet will come from [08:34] what is in the cache? cache informations, nothing useful for the package to build [08:35] robert_ancell++ [08:35] make hazard [08:35] Keybuk is the closer of an autotools guru we have around [08:40] hey seb128! [08:40] lut didrocks [08:42] * seb128 sponsors gcalctool [08:43] oh brasero is really well integrated with nautilus now [08:43] seb128: and you didn't sponsored gtkhtml3.14? /me is sad ;) [08:43] didrocks, it's in junk, I only sponsor things on proper components ;-) [08:44] seb128: :p [08:44] any reason you let it in junk? [08:44] you apparently registered the product [08:44] seb128: yes, just forgot to push it again :) [08:44] doing it now [08:44] joke aside if we push it to the ubuntu-desktop bzr would be better to use the right product no? [08:44] thanks [08:44] seb128: it even has to [08:45] there's no +junk for teams, just for individuals [08:45] pitti, there is [08:45] oh, I was told there isn't [08:45] maybe they changed that recently [08:45] pitti, I push versions to ubuntu-desktop/+junk/versions yesterday [08:45] * pitti STFU [08:45] I push*ed* versions [08:45] and some people looked at it so apparently that worked [08:46] updating file-roller... [08:47] * seb128 reviews gcalctool, gtkhtml, file-roller [08:47] seb128: no-one has done file-roller afaik, I'm about to start [08:48] ah ok [08:48] I though you were uploading it for review [08:49] seb128: do you use bzr for file-roller? it has a bzr link but it doesn't to clone [08:49] I think I planned too by launchpad sucks [08:49] want to clone [08:50] good morning everyone [08:50] there is no "file-roller" product [08:50] the product is named "fileroller" [08:50] would anyone object if i took the gnome-terminal and vte updates? [08:50] so I'm not sure if I pushed to "fileroller" and just delayed to get the product renamed and forgot [08:50] seb128: ok, i'll have a look [08:50] chrisccoulson, hey, not at all, they are yours [08:50] robert_ancell, thanks [08:50] seb128 - thanks [08:51] i notice gnome-screensaver is out of date too, but vaguely remember you discussing an issue with that last cycle. is that the case, or is it ok to update too? [08:52] there is 2.26 in bzr [08:52] we still didn't resolve this "screen will not unlock after upgrade" [08:52] yes, I will update it an see if the issue still exists... [08:52] but apparently nobody is going to work on that until we got bitten [08:52] so I'm leaning toward uploading now [08:53] i thought it was something like that. i'll try and take a look at that when i get the chance if the issue still exists [08:53] didrocks, would be nice to do the 2.27 update ;-) [08:53] seb128: ok. I'm finishing brasero, uploading cheese and then work on this one :) [08:56] brasero done [08:56] testing cheese [08:56] gcalctool uploaded [08:56] reviewing gtkhtml [08:56] it seems that #ubuntu-destkop is owned by bots :) [08:57] lol [09:02] I've requested fileroller to be renamed to file-roller [09:03] reviewing evince [09:03] robert_ancell, thanks [09:04] brb === crevette__ is now known as crevette [09:17] cheese uploaded, working on gnome-screensaver [09:17] * seb128 reviews cheese [09:18] seb128: hum, cheese is in universe [09:18] didrocks, have you looked at the typo fix sponsoring request for cheese? [09:18] seb128: yes, I have included it in this update [09:18] ok, feel free to upload then [09:18] since it's in universe and you can do that ;-) [09:19] that's what I have done already. I must confess ^^ [09:19] excellent! [09:19] that's a way to see if I have still universe access :) [09:19] soon archive reorganisation [09:20] for permission, at the end of the release, isn't? [09:20] during the cycle was my understanding [09:20] but I might be wrong I didn't follow the details [09:21] yes, near the end of the cycle IIRC for step 1 [09:22] ok, I just noted that it was for this cycle [09:22] I don't care too much since I've upload rights everywhere [09:22] of course :) [09:22] but it will be good for your guys, you will be able to upload your desktop upgrades ;-) [09:23] robert_ancell, put gnome-games on your todolist for tomorrow if you didn't yet, maybe open a bug to "register" it ;-) [09:23] yes :-) I saw some people still asks for core-dev, not sure if I should in some monthes (maybe even after archive reorg), if I still upload some server packages... well, will see :) [09:24] didrocks: were you going to do gnome-games? If not I'll do it tomorrow [09:25] robert_ancell: I had this in my plan. But as there is gnome-screensaver now, I'm delaying it :-) Feel free to do it ;) [09:25] didrocks: that may take some time, ok I claim it then [09:27] seb128: do you know how debian/file-roller.mime was generated? I need to add some more entries [09:28] robert_ancell, I would say "by hand" [09:28] seb128: :) [09:29] just copy the current lines and replace the mimetype and command [09:30] seb128: I'm trying to work out if they have an executable to test for === cjwatson_ is now known as cjwatson [09:44] seb128: the issue is still present [09:44] (for gnome-screensaver) [09:44] didrocks, not surprised ... [09:45] we never know :-) Well, no good traces to debug the issue :/ [09:51] seb128: do you think it worthes to dedicate some time to fix it this week-end? [09:51] or wait for upstream or upload it... [09:51] didrocks, I would say "upload" [09:52] nobody is going to work on it until it's annoying enough [09:52] seb128: ok, I'm finishing the package so... will see user's returns. === pitti is now known as pitti_ [10:02] I'm loving http://people.ubuntu.com/~seb128/versions.html, so much easier to see where we are behind! [10:06] lol @ bug 387715 [10:06] Launchpad bug 387715 in gnome-games "Crying icon in mines too sad " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/387715 [10:06] some bug reports are quite entertaining [10:06] heh [10:06] :) [10:07] seiflotfy1: gnome-screensaver is ready, though (and there is a bug with lp inline editor if you click on update description then :)) [10:07] hey james_w, crevette ;) [10:07] uhm didrocks wrong person? [10:07] hey didrocks [10:07] hey didrocks [10:07] seiflotfy1: sorry, yes, it was intented to seb128, autocompletion rules ^^ [10:11] bye all [10:16] did someon experienced some black flash on the display recently, I seen such flashes while on battery [10:19] hi [10:20] about https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/387518 [10:20] Launchpad bug 387518 in gnome-panel "The auto-hide default settings of the gnome-panel are cumbersome, making the panel look sluggish and uncomfortable" [Undecided,New] [10:26] i found the values i want to change in both panel-global.schemas.in (where they are marked deprecated) and in panel-toplevel.c (as #defines) [10:26] wheere is the right place to change it now? [10:35] seb128: (between two flickerings :)) gnome-screensaver is ready, though (and there is a bug with lp inline editor if you click on update description then :)) [10:35] re [10:35] didrocks: should be back stable now, got some karmic and wireless issues [10:36] seb128: hum, you told some days ago that karmic was giving you a hard time? Do you think I must upgrade at this point or wait a little bit? [10:36] not so sure [10:36] I'm not quite happy about the intel driver on my laptop [10:36] but my ati desktop works correctly [10:37] seb128: ok... I have a nvidia one. Might worth a try... [10:37] well it's not too bad [10:38] it's just that when you walk away and come back on intel your screen might not turn on again until reboot [10:38] my i915 seems happy [10:38] seb128: the most recent kernel enabled KMS on radeon, does that work for you? [10:38] and that after some hours xorg and compiz eat some gigabytes or ram [10:38] of ram rather [10:38] seb128: hum, that doesn't sound good :/ [10:39] I expect those to be intel issues though [10:39] my desktop has no such issues [10:39] ok. I will try to have some time to upgrade my laptop [10:49] didrocks: I guess you tested gnome-screensaver? ;-) [10:52] seb128: screen locking and screensaver launch yes (without hw acceleration) [10:55] I'm uploading hamster-applet before lunch [10:55] ok good [10:55] I'm uploading gnome-screensaver ;-) [10:55] thanks seb128 :-) [10:56] so, are there step by step instructions on how to submit new packages/new versions of existing packages? [10:56] I've tried using dput on my PPA and had some problems [10:57] about missing files, which are supposed to be in the tarball and files I dput'ed [10:58] how did you build the package you wanted to upload? [10:58] basically go to the source [10:58] and run "debuild -S -sa" [10:59] what error do you get? what version did you use? [10:59] yeah, did that, even built it locally fine, but then dput'ed it, and there are errors always: https://launchpad.net/~rodrigo-moya/+archive/ppa [11:00] ok [11:00] so the upload is not the issue [11:00] but it doesn't build? [11:00] * seb128 looks at the build log [11:01] do you have a debian/ folder before doing the debuild ? [11:01] yes [11:01] urg [11:01] it builds fine locally, as I said [11:01] and then dput my-ppa ..source.changes [11:02] rodrigo_: that is a hackish package [11:02] lecon one, you need an orig.tar.gz [11:02] rodrigo_, what is the content of the diff.gz ? [11:02] ie the upstream tarball named tomboy_0.15.1.orig.tar.gz [11:02] so it will put the debian changes in the diff.gz [11:02] seb128: ok [11:02] and you can see easily what you changed [11:02] NOOOOOOOOOOOO [11:03] Laney: ? [11:03] * Laney dives in front of the bullet [11:03] I mean, if someone's doing Tomboy, don't [11:03] seb128: I got the tomboy sources via apt-get source, is that the correct way, or should I use something else? [11:03] Laney: why? [11:03] because I already did it [11:03] and it's waiting to be uploaded to experimental [11:03] rodrigo_: that's the correct way [11:03] Laney: I need the very latest, even will do git snapshots [11:04] (there is a bug that I assigned to myself) [11:04] Laney: what version did you package? [11:04] 0.15.1 [11:04] Laney: ah, ok [11:04] we got some sexy space savings too [11:04] thanks to meebey [11:04] Laney: rodrigo is doing work on tomboy and that's a learning exercise too [11:04] seb128: so for submitting packages for karmic, what's the process? [11:04] well whatever [11:04] but I was going to sync it soon [11:05] Laney, in that case rodrigo_ is targetting jaunty apparently [11:05] Laney: I plan to package git snapshots, so unless you really want to do it, please leave tomboy to me [11:05] you want to do them for karmic? [11:05] (once I get this dput thing to work, of course :) [11:05] or some ppa? [11:05] crevette: I'0m just testing on jaunty, but will do for karmic also [11:06] rodrigo_: there is no debian directory in your tarball [11:06] seb128: so, any step-by-step instructions? [11:06] rodrigo_: wget https://edge.launchpad.net/~rodrigo-moya/+archive/ppa/+files/tomboy_0.15.1-0~ppa4.dsc https://edge.launchpad.net/~rodrigo-moya/+archive/ppa/+files/tomboy_0.15.1-0~ppa4.tar.gz [11:06] dpkg-source -x *.dsc [11:06] look to the directory [11:06] so upgrade in a nutshell [11:06] [11:06] hmm, ok, so having the ..orig,tar,gz will fix it? [11:07] apt-get source tomboy [11:07] wget http://download.gnome.org/sources/tomboy/0.15/tomboy-0.15.2.tar.gz [11:07] mv tomboy-0.15.2.tar.gz tomboy_0.15.2.orig.tar.gz [11:07] (or cd tomboy-ubuntu version; uupdate ../tomboy-0.15.2.tar.gz) [11:07] tar xzf tomboy_0.15.2.orig.tar.gz [11:07] cp -R tomboy-ubuntu/debian tomboy-0.15.2 [11:07] cd tomboy-0.15.2 [11:07] debuild [11:07] ups [11:08] dch -v 0.15.2-0ubuntu1~rodrigo [11:08] before the debuild [11:08] you might also need to update some patches or build-depends [11:08] but that's the basic [11:08] yeah, I know that part :) [11:08] ok, great, thanks a lot :) [11:08] if you don't have the orig.tar.gz it will create a debian native package [11:09] ie all in a tarball [11:09] you want an upstream tarball and a diff.gz with the ubuntu changes [11:09] I'll try with tomboy 0.15.2, so Laney, please leave that to me [11:09] so make sure you have the upstream tarball correctly named [11:09] that's what dch does, right? [11:09] dunno what you did in your case, the debian directory seems to be a symlink [11:09] rodrigo_: There are some good fixes in Debian git that you probably want [11:09] yeah, right, it is [11:09] that's not due to the orig.tar.gz [11:09] image symlinking and such like [11:10] saves about 3M iirc [11:10] seb128: I was confused about where to put the sources/untar them [11:10] seb128: and so when it builds and works correctly in my PPA, how do I submit it for karmic? [11:10] Laney: cdbs in ubuntu does that automagically if tomboy is using cdbs [11:10] rodrigo_: open a bug and subscribe ubuntu-main-sponsors [11:11] add the diff.gz to the bug or a bzr url to your packaging [11:11] ok [11:11] and for new packages, the same? [11:11] packages not existing in karmic, I mean [11:11] ask on #ubuntu-motu for those maybe [11:11] seb128: how big is it installed currently? [11:11] seb128: ok, great, things are clearer now :) [11:11] I would tend to say to do the same but they are a review system named REVU [11:12] he also used pngquant to crush some images too [11:12] Laney: Installed-Size: 12820 [11:12] Size: 3630274 [11:12] http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/t/tomboy/current/changelog [11:12] given, that is against 0.14 [11:12] cool [11:13] and last question (for now :) ), is there any way of knowing who is packaging what? [11:13] that is, I don't want to step on Laney's toes if he's doing 0.15.1, for instance [11:13] I set the bug to "In Progress" on LP [11:13] ubuntu-desktop bugs, I guess? [11:14] rodrigo_: open a bug saying you work on the update and use the bug for sponsoring when you are ready [11:14] bug 381101 [11:14] Launchpad bug 381101 in tomboy "New upstream version 0.15.1" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/381101 [11:14] seb128: ok, cool [11:16] morning everyone ! [11:18] lut huats [11:18] hey seb128 ! [11:18] how are you ? [11:19] good, you? [11:19] busy I can imagine with 2.27.3 [11:19] :) [11:19] good too [11:19] so if you have anything to do, I am your men :) [11:19] that's ok, we have a great team and there is a reasonable number of tarballs [11:19] ok [11:20] huats: nothing to do right now but I will ping you if somebody comes ;-) [11:20] ok, let's do it :) [11:20] I am around [11:20] :) [12:01] seb128: I imagine epiphany tarball, is epiphany-webkit [12:01] yes [12:01] and it's on sync with debian so don't touch ;-) [12:02] oki :-) [12:08] pitti is back ;-) [12:08] meh, my server is back up (they repaired the VM host), but its networking is still broken [12:08] lunch time, bbl [12:08] seb128: have a good lunch [12:08] thanks, you too! [12:10] pitti: so bad :/ That's why I prefer to be self-hosted (appart when you have a power breakage during UDS and you can't access your server ^^): when something bad happens, it's my fault :) [12:10] they are usually very reliable [12:10] much more than I could ever do at home [12:10] * pitti sent a support ticket [13:03] hi [13:04] seb128: https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/387518 any idea how to process with that? i already attached a patch to the upstream bugzilla and i'm hoping they pick that up ... [13:04] Launchpad bug 387518 in gnome-panel "The auto-hide default settings of the gnome-panel are cumbersome, making the panel look sluggish and uncomfortable" [Wishlist,Triaged] [13:04] Hi soc [13:04] wait for them to reply [13:04] I think that's a duplicate too [13:05] that has been discussed some months ago on the lists too I think [13:05] ah ok ... [13:07] soc: you can try pinging vuntz when he's around, he work on gnome-panel for GNOME === cjwatson_ is now known as cjwatson [13:19] seb128: can I take gnome-desktop? [13:19] didrocks: if you do it quickly yes [13:20] didrocks: gnome-settings-daemon is broken because it needs new APIs which are in this version [13:20] quickly = during the afternoon [13:20] seb128: ok. I can do it during the afternoon, I think. The longer is the API breakage check :) [13:21] ;-) [13:23] seb128: ah ok thanks [13:24] vuntz: are you here? [13:39] yay [13:40] pitti: server back? [13:40] yep [13:42] seb128: I have to regenerate relibtoolize. So, that comes to my question for gnome-python-desktop, what is relibtoolize and how to generate it ? (it's seems to generate Makefile.in, like autoconf...) [13:42] run autoreconf [13:44] seb128: but in previous patch, we don't touch to Makefile.am. So, what's the use? [13:45] looking [13:50] didrocks: it's to avoid a rpath issue on amd64 apparently, I don't know enough about autotools to be sure what commands need to be ran and in which order [13:50] you need at least autoconf and alocal I think [13:50] it's easier to just run autoreconf [13:50] if you start using several commands, you should really just use autoreconf IMHO, to avoid breakage [13:50] but feel free to investigate an another way to do that [13:50] pitti: that's what I do but didrocks likes to understand what needs to be done theorically ;-) [13:50] (autoreconf -i, in particular) [13:51] pitti & seb128 : I will try autoreconf first to run them in the right orders. Thanks :) [13:51] didrocks: you want to _understand_ autotools? [13:51] seb128: you begin to understand mean :) [13:51] pitti: I tried... I began a little [13:51] * pitti draws a cross and mutters some exorcism spell [13:51] and see that's a mess ;) [13:51] ahah [13:51] seb128: s/mean/me [13:52] if you want to understand what your build system is doing, write Makefiles manually [13:52] :) [13:52] (well, actually I'm half-serious about it) [13:53] pitti: will think about it... really! :) [13:53] * didrocks is already far far away ;) [13:53] vuntz: *ping* [14:00] soc, vuntz will reply to you, don't need to ping him several times [14:01] hi there. can i do the eog update? [14:03] Ampelbein: hey, yes sure [14:09] awe: already running under full steam or still getting coffee et al;)? [14:15] * pitti blinks -- "firefox wifi scanner"? [14:19] crevette: ok [14:21] pitti: seb128: kenvandine: Riddell: bryce: asac: I forgot to send the reminder mail for the team meeting and to set up the meeting wiki page [14:21] :( [14:21] hey rickspencer3 [14:22] no worries [14:22] good morning rickspencer3 [14:22]