[00:06] <Vantrax> ^.^
[00:07] <Vantrax> we need to get some momentum going again
[00:07] <Vantrax> bodhi is it possible to set up sftp on your test server, its just easier as im doing the theme dev from a windows box
[00:17]  * pleia2 waves to jamesrfla 
[00:17] <jamesrfla> Hi pleia2
[00:50] <jamesrfla> so we have a meeting in about 10min?
[00:53] <cprofitt> Vantrax, what did you think of the courses uploaded? Do we need to make another to guide people on how to make courses?
[00:53] <pleia2> jamesrfla: yep
[00:53] <Vantrax> they looked pretty good
[00:53] <Vantrax> we just need to sort out our structure
[00:54] <cprofitt> 'our structure'?
[00:54] <Vantrax> and work out how we want to manage the four programs
[00:54] <cprofitt> meaning team structure?
[00:54] <cprofitt> or course structure?
[00:54] <Vantrax> course
[00:54] <Vantrax> we need to do team too, that is a focus of this meeting unless im just crazy
[00:55] <cprofitt> k
[00:55] <cprofitt> I think courses may have a different structure depending on the 'type'
[00:55] <Vantrax> very likely
[00:55] <cprofitt> the method of delivery and the content may require a different pedagogic structure to be successful
[00:56] <Vantrax> if its a background infromation one, done as self paced it will be very different to something with instructor support
[00:56] <cprofitt> pleia2, meeting in here or in #ubuntu-meeting?
[00:56] <pleia2> well, nothing else is going on in #ubuntu-meeting
[00:56] <cprofitt> Vantrax, it also depends on the depth of the material
[00:56] <Vantrax> also it seems that moodle doesnt really allow courses to be grouped into programs
[00:56] <Vantrax> yep
[00:57] <cprofitt> Vantrax, not sure I follow you on program groupings...
[00:57] <Vantrax> fair enough
[00:57] <Vantrax> if you look at the list of topics in the programs pages on the wiki there are alot of suggestions
[00:58] <Vantrax> many of those group into what i would think of as a course covering similar topics
[00:58] <Vantrax> the total of the courses under each page would be part of a program with that target
[00:58] <Vantrax> target being the intention of the program to provide training to a particular target group
[00:59] <Vantrax> does that make any sense?
[00:59] <Vantrax> <- baby due in 10 weeks, not sleeping quite right
[01:00]  * jamesrfla is glad that I am 16 and still a student
[01:00] <bodhizazen> meeting where ?
[01:00] <jamesrfla> bodhizazen: #ubutu-meeting
[01:00] <jamesrfla> I mean #ubuntu-meeting
[01:12] <thewrath> hey all
[01:13] <thewrath> im int eh meeting but i have to run to the store
[01:13] <jamesrfla> okay
[01:14] <pleia2> I am going to be honest guys, I really don't know enough about this subject to have an informed opinion
[01:15] <jamesrfla> yeah what is going on in #ubuntu-meeting right now I have no clue what is going on
[01:15] <pleia2> licensing is a complicated subject
[01:16] <jamesrfla> I am reading it but my guess is cprofitt and bodhizazen are arguing over some server privacy/property thing
[01:16] <jamesrfla> also Vantrax
[01:27] <Vantrax> lol
[01:28] <Vantrax> its a rather involved discussion we have had for weeks:P
[01:28] <Vantrax> basically we have source materials that have a non commercial lisence, but the ubuntu community uses cc-by-sa and you cant mix the two
[01:39] <mogain> Hellow pleia2 and gang
[01:39] <mogain> This is doctormo, my computer had died
[01:39] <pleia2> mogain: #ubuntu-meeting
[01:39] <mogain> This is my netbook ;-(
[01:39] <pleia2> aww
[01:44] <Vantrax> ahh
[01:45] <Vantrax> sorry mo, you missed your licensing discussion, but its going to hit up the mailing list
[01:45] <mogain> pleia2: Was there a thing about CC yet?
[01:45] <mogain> ah ok thanks
[01:45] <Vantrax> no decisions made, bodhi will send out an email to set the tone, and lay some ground rules
[01:46] <mogain> I would have preferred Vantrax or pleia2 send the email, oh well. ground rules will be about social conduct I have no doubt
[01:47] <pleia2> I don't know enough about the issue, honestly
[01:49] <Vantrax> yes:P
[01:50] <Vantrax> mogain: it will be fine
[01:50] <Vantrax> we talked about the ground rules in the meeting already
[01:50] <mogain> sounds ominous
[01:51] <mogain> I'll have to check out the logs
[02:07] <Vantrax> okies
[02:07] <cprofitt> bodhizazen, no offense meant on the license discussion...
[02:07] <Vantrax> lots to discuss which is good
[02:08] <bodhizazen> we need more frequent meetings
[02:08] <Vantrax> bodhizazen: i think we need one in two weeks
[02:08] <Vantrax> or even same time next week
[02:08] <bodhizazen> weekly woudl be god for a while
[02:08] <Vantrax> yeah
[02:08] <bodhizazen> move to bi-weekly as the structure allows
[02:08] <bodhizazen> we have a lot to do
[02:09] <bodhizazen> and a lot to discuss
[02:09]  * pleia2 nods
[02:09] <bodhizazen> this is IMO a critical time for the team
[02:09] <Vantrax> bodhizazen: can you set up sftp on your test server please
[02:09] <cprofitt> +1 bodhizazen
[02:09] <bodhizazen> and so I propose frequent meetings
[02:09] <Vantrax> im doing the theme on a windows box
[02:09] <bodhizazen> Vantrax: ssh ?
[02:09] <bodhizazen> what is wrong with scp ?
[02:10] <pleia2> winscp is lovely
[02:10] <cprofitt> pleia2, can you be the master of meeting scheduling...
[02:10] <pleia2> cprofitt: will do!
[02:10] <Vantrax> ahh, good point
[02:10] <bodhizazen> with ssh you can winscp if you like
[02:10] <Vantrax> ill hit up winscp
[02:10] <Vantrax> ignore me...
[02:10] <cprofitt> get us scheduled and setup in #ubuntu-meeting and on fridge etc?
[02:10] <dthacker> winscp is good.
[02:10] <pleia2> cprofitt: yep
[02:10] <jamesrfla> winscp is kick ass
[02:10] <Vantrax> <3 pleia2
[02:10] <bodhizazen> Vantrax: I will set up server tonight
[02:10] <bodhizazen> I have to say
[02:11] <bodhizazen> I have a lot on my plate with managing back end ;)
[02:11] <pleia2> oh, does someone know where mootbot spits the minutes?
[02:11] <dthacker> where can we get login info to see courses cprofitt has uploaded?
[02:11] <bodhizazen> Meeting same time next week ?
[02:11] <doctormo> What is this windows people keep on going on about?
[02:11] <Vantrax> we will have to give you some help
[02:11] <jamesrfla> sorry I was a bit confused in the beginning when you guys were talking about something with a server and who owns what. I was trying to finish up getting a Ubuntu server working with mailman, postfix, and apache2
[02:11] <Vantrax> dthacker: you can login with openid on learn.ufbt.net
[02:11] <pleia2> bodhizazen: I'll try to decide by tomorrow, I need to touch base with greg-g about when he's available and hopefully make it easier for -eu people (dougie richardson for instance)
[02:12] <Vantrax> just use http://launchpad...../~<username> as your string
[02:12] <Vantrax> pleia2: we might just do them in different times
[02:12] <Vantrax> so one week is easier for EU, and one week its easier for US
[02:12] <pleia2> Vantrax: sure, but we want greg-g at this next meeting, and it'd be nice to have a doc person too :)
[02:12] <Vantrax> yes
[02:13] <Vantrax> ill poke dougie and rocket too
[02:13] <pleia2> on the list dougie said 2 hours earlier would be ok
[02:13] <bodhizazen> OK
[02:13] <Vantrax> id also like an MOTU there
[02:13] <pleia2> I think greg-g was simply not around today
[02:13] <bodhizazen> the other thing we can do -
[02:13] <bodhizazen> "focus groups"
[02:13] <Vantrax> since the MOTU used to have a school..
[02:14] <bodhizazen> ie specific groups to work on specific issues and report back
[02:14] <Vantrax> bodhizazen: i dont think they are needed as such
[02:14] <doctormo> I appologise for being so late guys, :-( at least my laptop is now booting afterr some technical fixing.
[02:14] <pleia2> their classroom sessions are "motu school"
[02:14] <bodhizazen> Vantrax: I doubt that
[02:14] <pleia2> doctormo: broken computers :(
[02:14] <Vantrax> we already had teams outlined for different areas in the strategy document
[02:14] <Vantrax> i think we need to add testers into that tho
[02:15] <bodhizazen> we will likely need an "approval" team
[02:15] <bodhizazen> etc ...
[02:15] <doctormo> tnwop47Q
[02:15]  * dthacker needs to track down his openid
[02:15] <bodhizazen> and down the line
[02:15] <doctormo> damn keyboard ;-) at least I just spewed my tester password
[02:15] <pleia2> lol
[02:15] <bodhizazen> bbl :)
[02:16]  * dthacker looks away, as all good sysadmin's should
[02:16] <Vantrax> lol
[02:16] <Vantrax> what password:P
[02:17] <doctormo> lol
[02:17] <Vantrax> brb
[02:19] <cprofitt> dthacker, I think you can create an account...
[02:20] <cprofitt> and we can then get you the access to the courses...
[02:27] <Vantrax> more or less
[02:27] <Vantrax> cprofitt: does moodle allow proper groups to be created, so rather than having a list of administrators on the course, have just administrators group
[02:28] <cprofitt> I believe so...
[02:28] <cprofitt> I think they already have groups...
[02:28] <cprofitt> admin - instructor - student
[02:36] <Vantrax> yeah, we need to look into that
[02:39] <cprofitt> I can try to review the site tonight...
[02:39] <cprofitt> but I am fairly confident they have groups...
[02:39] <cprofitt> I think your concern is if we can make groups
[02:40] <thewrath> wat license did we agree on
[02:40] <thewrath> sorry iw ent to the store and stopped by the fire hall and didnt think it would take that long
[02:40] <cprofitt> thewrath, the current license agreed on is CC-BY-SA
[02:40] <cprofitt> though the issue of discussing it is not over.
[02:40] <thewrath> so it will not change then cprofitt?
[02:40] <thewrath> ah
[02:40] <thewrath> what are the other ones that were in heavy discussion
[02:45] <cprofitt> CC-BY-SA-NC
[02:45] <cprofitt> and there are several issues with using NC
[02:45] <cprofitt> and there is also the issue of 'ownership' of courses authored
[02:46] <cprofitt> that bodhi brought up
[02:55] <jamesrfla> well GTG to sleep night all
[03:11] <cprofitt> back
[03:13] <doctormo> wb cprofitt
[13:26] <zhoujingrui> hi
[17:53] <cprofitt> bodhizazen, you here?
[18:46] <cprofitt> hey bodhizazen
[19:53] <bodhizazen> 'lo cprofit
[19:54] <bodhizazen> the rabbit died :(
[19:54] <bodhizazen> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1188782
[20:01] <cprofitt> bodhizazen, ouch
[20:01] <cprofitt> hey DougieRichardson
[20:01] <DougieRichardson> hey cprofitt