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dcushmanHow can a *NIX n00b developer with 20+ years of professional software development get up to speed and make a useful contribution?00:03
directhexokay, moving here was step 1 ;)00:03
dcushmanI follow direction well :)00:03
directhexthere are a few options open to you, each has its own answers to your question00:03
directhex* developer, * packager, * translator, * bug maintenance & QA, * general advocacy stuff00:04
directhexwhere do you see yourself wanting to focus your skill set?00:04
dcushmanWell, I am pretty sure I could help out with new development or maintenance. Also pretty good at writing/implementing test plans.00:06
lajjrdcushman: go for developer00:07
dcushmanHappy to do packaging also. Pretty much have done everything since Assembly on 6501 :)00:07
directhexokay, it sounds like your first target should be to pick a Free Software app you like. which might sound obvious, but it's not needed for the advocacy role00:08
dcushmanI just want to help where it's needed.00:08
directhexpick something you make use of, and you're in a position to say "X isn't quite right, it should be better"00:08
lajjrsame here.00:08
dcushmanSo better to just focus on an app, than to contribute to the big picture? Just want to make for sure I understand your suggestion.00:09
directhexgenerally speaking, the quality of work on something you're passionate about is much higher than "general" stuff you might not have intimate knowledge of00:09
dcushmanVery good point00:10
directhexthe best generalist roles are packager-related, but it sounds like you're more of a developer, which means i'd recommend you pick an app to contribute towards00:10
directhexwhat's your current programming background?00:10
dcushman.NET Developer currently focusing (Employment) on WCF/WF. Moving to DSL Modeling with Oslo/Quadrant. Language skills C#/Python/Ruby/PHP/Light on Perl.00:11
directhexand are you running ubuntu, kubuntu, xubuntu...?00:12
dcushmanSoftware Architect is my current role. Running Jaunty on 3 boxes. Small 5 node Hadoop cluster on Jaunty server.00:12
directhexokay. looking to work on desktop-related things? they're typically the most visible00:13
dcushmanUser of Ubuntu since 5.04/linux since early days00:13
dcushmanSure. But mostly just looking for something that matters to more than my companies bottom line00:14
dcushman:)00:14
dcushmanI would say, I'm not that great at UI development.00:15
directhexokay. judging by your skill set, i'm going to suggest a few apps you could look at - and the ways to look at those apps would be things like checking the bug tracker (verifying whether a bug still exists in the upstream latest source, and fixing it if need be), or just getting stuck in with features00:15
dcushmanExcellent. Point the way and I'll see what I can do.00:16
directhex<disclosure>the team i'm a member of would benefit directly or indirectly from part of your skillset - but so would other teams - so i'm going to be as even-handed as my knowledge set stretches</disclosure>00:16
dcushmanUnderstood.00:16
directhexokay. on an ubuntu desktop, there is tomboy (note-taking app) and f-spot (photo manager app), both of which are c#. there's rhythmbox (music library app) which is c, and may be replaced by banshee (c#) depending on how the apps' features stack up. on that last point, there are some things banshee is missing which it needs in order to be considered "ready" for that takeover - equally rhythmbox could do with some love to make it more00:18
directhex likely to stay entrenched00:18
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directhexthere's stuff like RSS aggregators which you might find useful (e.g. liferea), or twitter nonsense (e.g. gwibber), or IM clients (e.g. empathy, pidgin)00:19
directhexgenerally speaking, just use your desktop and say "man, this bit is a bit i could make my own". it's all Free, so it's all up for lovin'00:20
dcushmanI use Tomboy and Banshee pretty much every day. Rhythmbox seems pretty solid too.00:22
directhexthen i'd pick one of those. i'm not going to try and convince you which, except to say that the media players are more in need of competent workers than tomboy is, right now, but for differing reasons00:23
dcushmanJust out of curiosity, which project are you associated with?00:24
directhexwill it influence your decision?00:24
dcushmannot at all00:24
directhexthen i'm part of the debian mono group, so "anything in c#" is my remit00:24
dcushmanah, just a tiny project then :)00:25
dcushmanI have great admiration for all the mono work done so far.00:25
dcushmanI've been trying to convince my employers to take a look at moving some of our simpler back end processes off the license beasts, just to get a mono project started in house.00:26
directhexwell, if it works for you, it's worth a shot!00:28
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Ngis there anything missing from bug #300814 that a universe sync request should have?00:28
ubottuLaunchpad bug 300814 in hdapsd "please sync hdapsd 1:20090401-1 from Debian/Sid" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/30081400:28
ajmitchNg: ubuntu-universe-sponsors team should be subscribed, and it's not really a sync from reading the comments, is it?00:30
directhexNg, it's not clear whether it should be a sync or a merge - does one of debian's recommends need to be removed or not?00:30
ajmitchI think the recommended package is one that's not in ubuntu00:31
ajmitchat least it's the debian maintainer requesting it00:32
Ngdirecthex: ajmitch: I'm not exactly sure :/00:32
directhexdcushman, anyway, i'd take a look at one of the media players, since you expressed an interest. rhythmbox is a very "mature" app, which unfortunately means it's starting to come across some fundamental design choices from when it was still young, and hit those issues hard. development pace has slowed - meaning people are starting to talk (prematurely) about the "death" of it. it could do with some fresh bloof to help keep it up-to-00:33
directhexdate and relevant with more than dull backend API changes. banshee has a much more active, vibrant development community, but has its share of outstanding bugs and issues (largely as a result of being a much younger project). it could dow tih more manpower to help work through bugs, inject exciting new features, and help them achieve their goals within a sensible timeframe00:33
NgEvgeni was just talking about it on ##ibmthinkpad ;)00:33
directhexNg, when you're certain either way between sync/merge, update the bug title to reflect it, subscribe u-u-s, and ping again in here00:33
directhexif i'm still awake, you might get lucky00:33
dcushmanThanks for the info and insight.00:34
* Laney wolf whistles00:34
Ngdirecthex: probably easiest if he was here... which he is... Zhenech :)00:36
Zhenechheya00:36
ZhenechNg said you need more info on #300814 ?00:36
directhexZhenech, not clear whether the bug is a merge or sync, as the "sync it" line also says something should be changed in debian/control00:36
Laneykarmic and gwibber. An unhappy marriage?00:37
Laney(the message window is blankety blank)00:37
Zhenechdirecthex, well, maybe this is just my bad knowledge of your terms :)00:37
Zhenechdirecthex, a sync as in "1:1 copy of debians version" would do pretty well00:37
Laneythat is what a sync is00:38
ajmitchZhenech: sync means to "copy as is, overwrite any ubuntu changes"00:38
Zhenechaye00:38
ajmitchyour last comment seemed to indicate that you'd change the Recommends:00:38
directhexLaney, python rubbish. try gtwitter00:38
Laneydirecthex: supports laconica?00:38
Zhenechbut then there is #258342 which would be grave as per debians policy00:38
Laneyisn't a dead project?00:38
directhexLaney, dunno. patch that mutha, it's in pkg-cli-apps!00:38
Laneyhaha00:38
ajmitchLaney: gwibber has been randomly giving me issues also00:39
Laneyit's pretty heavily patched already iirc00:39
Zhenechso just killing the recommends line would make it a "merge" (right?) and the 100% perfect solution00:39
ajmitchZhenech: yeah, pretty much00:39
james_wLaney: I saw the same00:39
Laneyjames_w: any fix?00:39
james_wLaney: I suspect webkit00:39
ajmitchsince you said you'll drop the existing ubuntu changes related to udev?00:39
LaneyI don't see a bug for it. YEah, me too00:39
directhexsyncs i know how to take care of. merges i'd need to read the manual00:39
james_wLaney: I upgraded to the daily PPA, which pulled in a newer webkit as well00:39
directhexjames_w, bugs? in MY webkit?00:39
directhexthat's unpossible!00:40
Laneyhm00:40
Laneymaybe I'll just install the webkit and see what happens00:40
Zhenechajmitch, right, these are not needed anymore, we dont ship the udev rule anymore, and postinst will remove the old cruft if any00:40
Laneynow now though00:40
ajmitchZhenech: great, I guess it'll only take a couple of minutes to get a new debdiff made & attached00:40
Zhenechsure00:40
ajmitchsince directhex seems oh-so-eager to sponsor uploads today :)00:41
ZhenechArchitecture: i386 amd64 powerpc <- does the powerpc hurt you in any way? or will it be just ignored?00:42
directhexit will be used for the totally not official powerpc buildd00:42
directhexfor the ps3 port!00:42
ajmitchI guess it's not worth adding lpia in there anymore :)00:42
Zhenechwhich has no accelerometer I could read out, but ok00:42
Zhenechajmitch, is lpia not for Intel Atoms?00:43
Zhenechor will it run on a regular pentium/core too?00:43
ajmitchit's i386 with not a lot changed in the way of compiler flags, I believe00:44
ZhenechI can add it if it makes sense (there are people running lpia on their thinkpads...)00:46
Nrrdstefanlsd: Thanks so much dude! New patches made, .deb built and installed :)00:46
ajmitchZhenech: I'm not sure if the lpia arch will really be supported with karmic, but I suspect it can't hurt to add it00:47
Zhenechok00:47
Zhenechlpia in, recommends out. posting debdiff00:48
ajmitchfetching the sid source now00:49
ajmitchnot that it's particularly large00:49
Zhenechhere you go00:51
Zhenechhttp://launchpadlibrarian.net/27970141/hdapsd_20090401-1ubuntu1.debdiff00:51
ajmitchthanks00:52
ajmitchI don't think there's much point changing Maintainer to the MOTU list for this00:55
ZhenechI read and care for the bugs, so prolly not :)00:56
ajmitchI did add in bug #300814 to the changelog though00:57
ubottuLaunchpad bug 300814 in hdapsd "please sync hdapsd 1:20090401-1 from Debian/Sid" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/30081400:57
Zhenechew, yes, I forgot that00:58
Zhenechthanks00:58
ajmitchno problem, now to just wait for it to be built & published & all :)00:59
Zhenechgreat thanks00:59
Zhenechstuff that has no ubuntu modifications stil gets autosynced, right?00:59
Zhenechand stuff that isnt in ubuntu yet (because it hit debian just yesterday) has still a chace to get in too?01:00
Zhenechsorry for all the questions :)01:01
ajmitchyes & yes01:04
Zhenechgreat01:04
ajmitchuntil debian import freeze on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicReleaseSchedule01:04
ajmitchafter that it's manual sync of new stuff01:04
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Zhenechjudging from my mails and LP the upload was successfull01:13
Zhenechthank you very much01:13
ajmitchno problem01:15
Zhenechthen I finally can go to bed with a good feeling01:18
Zhenechn801:18
ajmitchnight01:18
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kklimondadoes every merge request have to mention all remaining changes?01:42
kklimondaOr is it sufficient to say that all changes remain in place?01:43
RAOFAll the remaining changes, IIRC.  Because each one of those changes should be justifiable, and merge requests is a good time to periodically make that justification.01:44
kklimondaRAOF: even if merges are done close to each other? like a week apart or something01:45
RAOFWell, the debian package has changed.01:45
RAOFThe MOTU wiki would be the canonical reference for this, though.01:46
LargePrimehello01:54
LargePrimeI am looking for a piece of software that looks like one is running "green dam" spyware01:55
LargePrimeanyone heard of such?01:56
directhexi've heard of green dam..... but it's not clear what exactly you want to do01:56
LargePrimeI desire to make it appear as if green dam is running, when it is nto01:57
LargePrimenot01:57
LargePrimeI have some friends who are at risk01:57
LargePrimethey are installing ubuntu on flash drives, and making that install appear to be windows01:58
LargePrimethey are required to have green dam installed.01:58
LargePrimethey desire to make it appear as such01:59
LargePrimeis that clear?01:59
LargePrimedirecthex:02:00
directhexi see02:00
directhexi don't know enough about how it's supposed to look02:01
LargePrimeit can be downloaded.  i can get you a link02:01
directhexi've never heard of such a thing, but drawing a UI not hooked up tp anything shouldn't be too hard02:01
LargePrimeone could even use the icon resource from the install02:01
LargePrimeI can get bitmaps of some screens02:02
LargePrimedirecthex:02:02
directhexLargePrime, it's 2am, i'm not going to work on this for you02:04
directhexLargePrime, like i said, i don't know of anything existing, but i'm sure something could be done02:05
LargePrimesorry.  I did not mean to imply you would.  I appreciate your time.  project seems very resonable to me02:06
LargePrimewanted to check with another02:06
LargePrimeok see you.  if you desire you may contact me at largeprime@hotmail.com02:06
nelleryany REVU admins around?02:14
ajmitchnellery: what's up?02:15
nelleryajmitch: Hi, can I be marked as a Reviewer on REVU?02:16
ajmitchpay the fee & I'll happily do so ;)02:16
ajmitch(done)02:17
nelleryajmitch: thanks :)02:17
copproHow do I request a backport?02:28
kiwidrewi've decided to fix a package that's been broken in jaunty for quite some time (LP #345208).  got the package source with 'apt-get source python-pythonmagick'.  running 'debuild -S' complains about missing GPG key (since i don't have fabrice's private key, i assume).  i'm a bit lost as to what to do next...04:31
ubottuLaunchpad bug 345208 in pythonmagick "Broken package" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/34520804:31
ajmitchyou can ignore the gpg problem, since you won't need to be signing an upload04:36
ajmitchthe next step would be to make a debdiff with the fix & attach that patch to the bug in launchpad, then subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors04:37
kiwidrewokay, but debuild bails out after the gpg error...  so i don't have a source .deb yet04:37
ajmitchdebuild -S -us -uc04:37
RAOFThere isn't a source deb.  Just the .dsc, .orig.tar.gz, and .diff.gz04:38
kiwidrewhmm, well i'm really quite lost now.  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Contributing doesn't seem terribly helpful.  (i've made .deb packages for my own internal projects before, but for those i just packaged up pre-built binaries and so didn't touch source .debs and that stuff...)04:40
kiwidrewis there a better resource explaining what i need to do to go from what 'apt-get source python-pythonmagick' gives me to a python-pythonmagick.deb ?04:41
RAOFkiwidrew: debuild.  Just don't pass in "-S", which tells debuild to _only_ build the source package (.dsc, .tar.orig.gz, .diff.gz)04:41
kiwidrewah, that's better.  now i'm actually getting somewhere.  thanks!04:43
jsmidtIs there a IRC channel that shows bugs in Ubuntu as they come in/are changed?05:54
StevenK#ubuntu-bugs for the former, I belive05:54
StevenK*believe05:54
jsmidtStevenK, thank you05:55
ajmitchStevenK: that still sucks from the firehose?06:06
StevenKajmitch: I dunno :-P06:07
stefanlsdNrrd: you around?06:10
stefanlsdWhat happens when a package gets 2 advocations on REVU? The 2nd advocate should upload it to the archive, or is there a process?06:14
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dholbachgood morning!06:49
jsmidtdholbach, would it be hard setting up harvest as either an RSS feed or something that can be broadcast of some IRC channel?06:51
dholbachjsmidt: I plan to put some work into harvest to make things like that a lot easier06:52
dholbachjsmidt: not in the next 2-3 weeks, but afterwards06:52
jsmidtdholbach, okay thanks.06:52
dholbachthere's no point in working on the existing codebase as it's very web0.5 :)06:53
fabrice_spGood morning.07:00
fabrice_spAnyone with a PPC could have a look at Debian bug bug #528157 ?07:00
ubottuError: Launchpad bug 528157 could not be found07:00
fabrice_sp Debian bug #52815707:00
ubottuDebian bug 528157 in librep "librep: Compilation option -with-stack-direction=-1 has been dropped from ppc" [Normal,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/52815707:00
fabrice_spNCommander perhaps?07:00
ajmitchmorning dholbach07:05
dholbachhiya ajmitch07:06
dholbachhi ara07:06
aramorning dholbach07:07
fabrice_sphey dholbach !07:07
aradholbach: do we have someone for the training session?07:07
fabrice_spwill try later07:07
dholbachara: I don't - I sent a reminder to the whole team yesterday07:08
aradholbach: yes, I saw that07:08
didrocksmorning o/07:32
didrocksdholbach: I read a lot of "regenerate debian/control in such package, it's more for people who aren't used to such packages (with debian/control.in to tell them "hey, there is a control.in there... be careful)07:33
dholbachhm :)07:33
xnoxwhat's control.in ?07:51
xnoxnever seen that before07:51
RAOFxnox: read debian/rules.  That's indicative that debian/control can be autogenerated (control.in -> sometool -> control)07:55
didrocksdholbach: just a tought, but if you really think this is not necessary, I can not put it, less paperwork :)08:04
didrocksxnox: control.in are generic control file used to generate debian/control08:04
xnoxRAOF: didrocks: thanks. I'll look into it08:06
mrooneyIs there an rdepends equivalent for recommends? I am trying to figure out which desktop applications use which spelling libraries such as aspell.08:24
RAOFmrooney: grep-aptavail should do something like that for you, I think.08:32
mrooneyRAOF: thanks!08:35
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rancor][Hi, I got a question about packaging non free, binary only software with no "generic" changelog that are distributed on the softwares web page only. Shall the changelog just contain changes to the Ubuntu deb packag?09:28
azeemrancor][: I think in that case, just ship a changelog.Debian.gz, no changelog.gz09:28
rancor][azeem, ah, thanks.09:29
xnoxrancor][: lintian will complain about a lot things. Simply apply human common-sence09:31
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rancor][If lintian detectes any warning, is the package "okey" anyway. For example that the package contains an extra "LICENSE"-file instead of copyright. Is this any problem or can lintian detect warnings without any conserns?09:41
rancor][xnox, ah, dident see your reply. Thanks09:42
AnAnt_Hello, sorry that I ask again, but when will Debian syncs stop ?09:51
sorenAnAnt_: June 25th.09:51
sorenAnAnt_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicReleaseSchedule (DebianImportFreeze)09:51
AnAnt_soren: so if a new package got added 2 days in Debian, most probably it will be synced ?09:53
sorenAnAnt_: Certainly.09:53
sorenAnAnt_: Assuming the usual criteria are met, of course.09:54
sorenAnAnt_: E.g. that the package in Ubuntu doesn't have an "ubuntu?" version.09:54
AnAnt_ok09:55
AnAnt_thanks09:55
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bigondoes anyone has in plan to merges the network manager plugins for vpn from debian?10:51
slytherinbigon: which vpn?10:59
bigonslytherin: network-manager-{openvpn,pptp,vpnc}11:01
slytherinbigon: hmm. you should talk with asac as he manages most of the NM related packages.11:05
asacbigon: awe is on it11:06
bigonok11:08
bigonthx11:08
stefanlsdjames_w: whats the procedure with revu uploads? Does the 2nd advocate just upload? do you then archive the package?11:14
james_wstefanlsd: I'm just signing the package :-)11:16
james_wbut yes, you are correct11:16
stefanlsdok. thanks :)11:17
kklimondatseliot: what is the status of bug 270846 for nvidia-glx-71 ? driver is still incompatible with intrepid?11:36
ubottuLaunchpad bug 270846 in nvidia-graphics-drivers-71 "build of nvidia kernel module fails" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/27084611:36
tseliotkklimonda: yes and (currently) Nvidia has no plans to add the support for new X.org releases to -7111:37
tseliotlet me add a comment to that bug report11:38
tseliotdone11:40
kklimondathanks11:40
robinpis this package broken because of its dependencies: http://packages.ubuntu.com/jaunty/kformula12:20
robinpi.e. is it saying it needs koffice-libs (<< 1:1.6.4) AND koffice-libs (>= 1:1.6.3) ?12:21
joaopintokoffice-libs version is 1:1.6.3-7ubuntu612:22
joaopintoassuming you are refering to jaunty12:22
joaopintoit is installable12:22
directhexplenty of things match koffice-libs (<< 1:1.6.4) AND koffice-libs (>= 1:1.6.3)12:23
directhexlike 1:1.6.3-7ubuntu612:23
directhexor 1:1.6.3-1panda2panda3panda412:23
directhexor 1:1.6.4~nowimbeingfacetious12:23
robinpok - i was just looking at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/koffice/+bug/38320212:27
ubottuLaunchpad bug 383202 in koffice "Installing kformula results in complete removal of kubuntu-desktop" [Undecided,Confirmed]12:27
Laneywhat's with the branch linking? Something to do with DistributedDevelopment?12:28
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Laneymotu-sru dudes: bug 38752512:54
ubottuLaunchpad bug 387525 in do-plugins "Twitter plugin no longer receives updates, and all posts report failure despite success" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/38752512:54
cody-somervilleLaney, acked13:01
Laneycody-somerville: thanks13:01
Laneyoh yeah I should do a description, good catch13:01
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ivokshuats: hi13:40
ivokshuats: in barcelona you said you'll send an email regarding motu mentoring process13:40
huatshey ivoks !13:40
huatsyeah13:40
huatsI know...13:40
ivoks:)13:40
huatsI am a bit on a rush13:41
huatsI'll send you that in the afternoon...13:41
ivoksok13:41
huatsI need to go I have an interview13:41
ivoksgo, go!13:41
dholbachdyfet just asked me if somebody could have a look at the sipwitch package in revu14:02
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ruairidhHey14:36
ruairidhI'm wanting to join the MOTU team and have been checking out the dev documentation. Where do I go from here?14:39
LaneyFind something to do* and do it14:40
ruairidhI take it that I find this on Launchpad?14:41
Laney* this is not necessariliy easy, but we have various ways, such as harvest14:41
Laneyand the mentoring scheme14:41
xnoxLaney: =) I like your answer a lot14:41
dholbachhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/TODO too14:41
Laneya good place to start might be "bitesize" bugs on launchpad14:41
* Laney wonders what's on that list14:42
ruairidhCool, I'll check that out then14:42
Laneyoh, that's a nice link14:42
dholbachI'll start with the revampation-of-doom of harvest in 2-3 weeks I hope :)14:42
* Laney cries at the list of haskell unmetdeps14:43
dholbachhelp appreciated :)14:43
LaneyI feel bad not fixing them, but a new GHC release is coming very soon14:43
Laneyawkward situation14:43
gaspaLaney: ah, really? have you idea, when?14:46
Laneygaspa: couple of weeks according to simon marlow14:47
Laneythen $days for debian to package it14:48
gaspaLaney: ok, good14:49
Laneygaspa: will you be interested to help out with the rebuilds?14:55
LaneyI'll try and get a tracking page going - the OCaml team has a nice one that we might be able to nick14:55
gaspaLaney: sure, I'm trying to learn a little of both caml and haskell,14:56
gaspaso i'll be happy of working with their packages14:56
gaspa( with ocaml i've just started )14:56
Nrrdstef15:02
Nrrd(sorry, typo)15:02
bddebianHeya gang15:03
gaspaLaney: let me know about that.15:04
ruairidhIf I see something that needs packaging on Launchpad, I just assign it to myself right?15:05
joaopintoruairidh, IMHO unless you have some experience with packaging, creating a new package as an introduction to MOTU participation could be a bit overkilling15:09
ruairidhAh it's just I saw something on the "Needs-packaging" section on Launchpad and figured I'd do it15:09
debfxis a package in main/universe allowed to suggest/recommend a package in multiverse?16:53
Laneysuggest yes, recommend no (I think)16:55
directhexLaney, yup17:01
binarymutantif anyone has the time to advocate http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/pidgin-mbpurple I would be very appreciative =)17:02
debfxok, thanks17:03
pochustgraber, james_w: congrats!17:14
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fabrice_spHi. Anybody with ppc skills can have a look at Debian bug #528157? It's to know if we can safely sync librep or not. thanks!18:56
ubottuDebian bug 528157 in librep "librep: Compilation option -with-stack-direction=-1 has been dropped from ppc" [Normal,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/52815718:56
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AnAntwill tomboy & fspot still be installed in Ubuntu desktop by default ?19:18
Laneyyes, why?19:18
ximionhi!19:22
ximionCan someone please review my GeoGebra-package on REVU? I think I've fixed all locense issues now: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/geogebra19:22
AnAntgot disconnected19:26
AnAntwill tomboy & fspot still be installed in Ubuntu desktop by default ? or will they be replaced with non-Mono alternatives ?19:26
AnAntsorry, asked in wrong place (I think)19:28
fabrice_spximion, as it seems no tarball is provided upstream, you should add a get-orig-source target in your rules file to rebuild the tarball19:29
fabrice_spso your watch file is not of any use19:29
fabrice_sp(as the dirs file)19:29
binarymutantif anyone has the time to advocate http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/pidgin-mbpurple I would be very appreciative =)19:30
ximion@fabrice_sp: The problem with GeoGebra is, that there are no usable sources distributed on the webpage... I'll fix this now. Thanks for looking at the package!19:31
fabrice_spximion, how do you get the source? It seems upstream is not willing to give access to the source...19:39
fabrice_sphttp://www.geogebra.org/download/install.htm has a kind of installer19:39
dtchengeser: for bug 384683, i can reproduce this FTBFS on every amd64 karmic install i've tried19:40
ubottuLaunchpad bug 384683 in haskell-x11-xft "[karmic] FTBFS on no-change source rebuild" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/38468319:40
ximion@fabrice_sp: I extracted all necessary files from the installer. We had a discussion about the GeoGebra sourcecode at Launchpad: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/10865419:41
ubottuLaunchpad bug 108654 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] geogebra" [Wishlist,Fix committed]19:41
ximionWe had also license issues, because GeoGebra is licensed under GPLv2, but the documentation is not...19:42
ximion(Because that it's important that the package is clean...)19:42
ximionI can't write a get-orig-source rule to extract the *.jar file automatically, because the filenames and paths are changing with every new release in the InstallAnywhere file.19:44
fabrice_spximion, I think you need to give a way to generate the tarball (but I'm not a MOTU)19:47
hyperairhmm how does one get the output of g_message?19:47
hyperairas in, get those messages dumped onto a terminal19:48
hyperairis there some option i can set?19:48
hyperairor some environment variable?19:48
fabrice_spximion, you can't use the watch file to get the install file, and unzip it in the get-orig-source target?19:48
ximionThe installer archive contains a huge amout of mess that is only used for the installer itself. Also all files have different names in the installer .jar archive...19:49
ximionOpen http://www.geogebra.org/download/GeoGebra_3_2_0_1.jar in an archive manager to see... Oh, I see GeoGebra 3.2 is released.. Maybe the situation is now better?19:50
fabrice_spximion, it's worth having a look, because at the actual state, it's difficult19:51
ximionAnother question: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/icontool is advocated, but there's no watch file present... So, is a debian/watch file really essential?19:52
fabrice_splet me check19:53
fabrice_spdon't know: should ask to james_w19:54
fabrice_spanyway, the second motu that review that package could request to have a watch file19:54
fabrice_spa question to MOTUs: as per Bug #345208, the pythonmagick package is broken in Jaunty, so it's worth a SRU. I've checked and Debian has a newer version that we can sync for karmic (it builds, and run file in Karmic). How does the SRU fit with a different version in Karmic than the one we have to fix in Jaunty?19:55
ubottuLaunchpad bug 345208 in pythonmagick "Broken package" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/34520819:55
fabrice_sp(by the way, I think I know how to fix the package in Jaunty)19:56
dtchenhyperair: G_DEBU19:56
dtchenG_DEBUG, rather19:56
hyperairdtchen: thanks, i'm looking at that, but what should i set it to exactly?19:56
POXfabrice_sp: (pythonmagick) version in Debian also doesn't have this really nasty workaround19:58
hyperairdtchen: i can't find anything (beyond overriding g_log in some .so in LD_PRELOAD) that'll help me do this without recompiling19:58
fabrice_spPOX, that's because the package detects correctly the libs linked to python2.619:58
ximion@fabrice_sp: [geogebra] I think I can create a proper get-orig-source rule for geogebra... But I have to completely restructure the package. I'll do this, hopefully the result will have good quality.19:58
fabrice_spin the Jaunty's version, it's not the case, so we have to 'force' the libs19:59
fabrice_spPOX,  ^, and we miss -lboost_python19:59
Laneyfabrice_sp: If it's fixed in Karmic, you can fix it in Jaunty in a different way if necessary afaik19:59
fabrice_sp(I think)19:59
dtchenhyperair: see "all" or "help"20:00
fabrice_spLaney, ok. I'll request the sync for Karmic, and fix the package in Jaunty in a different way then.20:00
fabrice_spthanks20:00
hyperairdtchen: nothing for log level message20:01
hyperairdtchen: only for warning and critical20:01
POXfabrice_sp: version in ubuntu had CPPFLAGS="-I/usr/include/python2.5" in debian/rules (for *all* Python versions, sic!)20:02
POXI know because someone tried to copy it in Debian20:02
fabrice_spPOX, I've fixed it in Jaunty to put python2.620:02
dtchenhyperair: have you checked how GSt handles logging and debugging?20:02
hyperairdtchen: no i haven't.20:02
fabrice_spPici, Debian package works fine in Karmic :-)20:03
hyperairdtchen: i'm poking around nautilus by the way20:03
fabrice_spPici, not for you. Sorry20:03
fabrice_spPOX,  ^20:03
POXfabrice_sp: if you really need such nasty workarounds (instead of real fixes), at lest use `pyversions -d` output in the future ;-P20:06
fabrice_spPOX, that's what I did after :-) I was quite 'young' in python packaging when I did that, and inherited the CPPFLAGS. So just changes python2.5 with python2.6 :-)20:07
fabrice_spIve submitted some Debian bug using pyversions -d20:07
fabrice_sp:-D20:07
POXso I have time till Thurday to sync my packages... ScottK will not be happy ;)20:09
POXfabrice_sp: the real fix is in debian/patches/01_autofoo_fixes.dpatch in case you want to backport it for Jaunty20:17
fabrice_spPOX, cool. I was trying to apply a minimum (hack) fix, but I'll try first with the patch. thanks!20:18
fabrice_spPOX, the patch is a LOT cleaner. I'll port the patch to Jaunty, to fix the package. Thanks again for the pointer ;-)20:24
huats_Tonio_: around ?20:31
Tonio_huats_: hey !!20:31
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geserdtchen: re bug 384683: I still can't reproduce it, not even through an upload to PPA (build successfully)20:54
ubottuLaunchpad bug 384683 in haskell-x11-xft "[karmic] FTBFS on no-change source rebuild" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/38468320:54
dtchengeser: ok, there's definitely a bug, then, because we're hitting some sort of nondeterminism20:55
dtchengeser: if you want to push a no-change rebuild for haskell-x11-xft to help with the ghc6 migration, it would be greatly appreciated20:56
Laneydon't do too much for ghc620:58
Laney6.10.4 coming soon20:58
dtchenright20:59
dtchenon the other hand, a whole mess of stuff is unmet, so i'm a bit up a creek as far as the window manager i use is concerned20:59
LaneyOh, yes, feel free to fix things to get your stuff working21:00
Laneyjust be aware that it will all break soon21:00
dtchenshrug, not too different from any other software21:00
Laneybut after that I'll be fixing at warp speed21:00
geserdtchen: no-change rebuild uploaded21:02
dtchengeser: many thanks21:02
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ebroderAny sru folks who could look at bug #338464 now that the fix is in Karmic?21:42
ubottuLaunchpad bug 338464 in anjuta "Needs Conflicts: libgbf-1-2" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/33846421:42
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picklesworthHello! :) Quick packaging question: Does it matter what kind of values I throw into the XS-VCs-Bzr field in debian/control ? For example, could I put lp:my-branch-alias, or a path to the project's code section?23:44

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