| pleia2 | oh hey, you guys are experts, a fellow in an ubuntu channel is trying to argue with me that "holy crap" is not bad and wants a list of bad words/phrases he shouldn't say in ubuntu channels | 00:25 |
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| pleia2 | obviously such a list is nonsense, but I am not sure how to handle this | 00:25 |
| pleia2 | ("family friendly" didn't work, apparently he says this in front of kids too) | 00:25 |
| pleia2 | this user has a history of bad language, has been warned repeatedly | 00:25 |
| Seeker` | "whatever the channel operator deems to be bad language" | 00:30 |
| Seeker` | I believe that there is something in | 00:30 |
| Seeker` | !guidelines | 00:30 |
| ubottu | The guidelines for using the Ubuntu channels can be found here: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines | 00:30 |
| Seeker` | that states that ops have the final say on what is/isn't appropriate | 00:30 |
| Seeker` | pleia2: can I ask which channel? | 00:31 |
| elky | pleia2, let me guess, this is mteck? | 00:31 |
| elky | he's come crying to me in PM | 00:32 |
| pleia2 | elky: MTecknology in #ubuntu-us | 00:32 |
| pleia2 | Seeker`: thank you | 00:32 |
| pleia2 | I haven't banned him (just removed), and told him he could return if he can sort out how to conduct himself | 00:33 |
| pleia2 | but he's having a difficult time understanding that his frequent expletives are not welcome | 00:34 |
| elky | pleia2, how do you expect people to express exlaimation? | 00:35 |
| elky | 'by golly'? | 00:35 |
| pleia2 | I'm really not sure :) | 00:37 |
| pleia2 | and it doesn't bug me if it's infrequent (even if I might joke about a swear jar) but this has been pretty constant, daily "WTF?!" "holy crap!" etc | 00:37 |
| elky | the former i can sympathise with, but the latter i just cant... there's a game called 'craps' for crying out loud. | 00:38 |
| pleia2 | it very well might be a regional thing | 00:39 |
| elky | and you are in a different region of the US to him? | 00:39 |
| pleia2 | I am not sure I would have said anything if I hadn't just spoken to him an hour before about "WTF?!" | 00:39 |
| pleia2 | yeah, he's quite a bit further west | 00:40 |
| Seeker` | elky: I think the existance of a game called "craps" is probably coincidental | 00:41 |
| elky | Seeker`, here 'craps' means 'the runs' | 00:41 |
| elky | so unless people are not allowed to say various other non-s words for defecation in the channel... | 00:42 |
| elky | pleia2, he's trying to claim it's not daily | 00:42 |
| pleia2 | a few times a week | 00:42 |
| ubottu | bastidrazor called the ops in #ubuntu (ramrod) | 01:33 |
| * Pici personally doesn't have a problem with the word 'crap' | 02:33 | |
| elky | Pici, it's not so much the word as the constant use despite being asked not to | 02:37 |
| Pici | elky: yes, well that would be annoying | 02:44 |
| tonyyarusso | elky: btw, it has always been my understanding that the game name is unrelated. anywho..back to life | 03:22 |
| Flannel | It comes from the french word for toad. | 03:23 |
| elky | tonyyarusso, my point was the word itself is ambiguous | 03:24 |
| tonyyarusso | elky: Fine by me - I'm not really trying to give input on that aspect. | 03:26 |
| tonyyarusso | Flannel: Really? Interesting. How are toads related to dice? | 03:26 |
| elky | in aus, crap is an acceptable word for poop, 'the craps' is diarrhoea and a crapper is a toilet. an i find it hard to swallow that a culture that names a bear 'pooh' is so allergic to poop words | 03:27 |
| Flannel | No idea. | 03:28 |
| Flannel | I just read wikipedia | 03:28 |
| Flannel | tonyyarusso: someone suggests that it might be because the french brought it over to the US | 03:34 |
| ubottu | In #ubuntu, ajavid said: !ops Guest3396 is being rude and obnoxious and offtopic | 04:22 |
| ajavid | I'm here. | 04:33 |
| Flannel | ajavid: Shoving someone to ##windows for asking how to remove grub from their boot.ini is *not* support | 04:33 |
| ajavid | Flannel, look at previous history. I was never rude to anyone, and still am not. I am NOT supporting widnows | 04:33 |
| ajavid | I'm not telling anyone how to edit boot.ini | 04:33 |
| Flannel | No, but you need to tell them *what* to edit from it | 04:33 |
| ajavid | regardless of what you may think constitutes rudeness | 04:33 |
| ajavid | Flannel, if you go to boot.ini and you see wubi, would you remove windows? | 04:34 |
| Flannel | As I just said: I don't care about how you feel about windows. Nor do the people you're helping. If someone tried Ubuntu and chose not to keep it, for *whatever* reason, giving them the finger as they're leaving is *not* going to get them to come back. | 04:34 |
| ajavid | I highly doubt it. | 04:34 |
| ajavid | Flannel, you're a victim of your own perception | 04:34 |
| ajavid | there is nothing I can do about that | 04:34 |
| Flannel | ajavid: If you are dismissive to users like that again, you will be removed. | 04:35 |
| ajavid | I am/was not dismissive | 04:35 |
| Flannel | It reflects poorly on you, and our community. | 04:35 |
| ajavid | Flannel, please, look at at the past hours log | 04:35 |
| ajavid | Flannel, see how many people I'ved helped and how many thanks I've reciieved and how nice and courteous I've been | 04:35 |
| Flannel | Helping N people doesn't give you the right to be rude to 1. | 04:35 |
| ajavid | Flannel, kindly treat me with a bit more respect | 04:35 |
| Flannel | Sorry, but it doesn't work that way. | 04:35 |
| ajavid | Flannel, you're right, but I Was not being rude | 04:36 |
| ajavid | I agree, no reason/right to be rude to anyone, that is, IF i was eing rude | 04:36 |
| ajavid | I Wasn't (typo control-b) | 04:36 |
| ajavid | if they ask how to remove wubi from boot menu, and I say, edit boot.ini, its in there, and go to ##windows to find out how to edit boot.ini, there is ABSOLUTELY nothing wrong with that | 04:38 |
| ajavid | which is exactly what happened | 04:38 |
| Flannel | "Edit this file!!" isn't being helpful. | 04:38 |
| ajavid | you're saying I should have specifically told him to remove the wubi line from the file | 04:38 |
| ajavid | if you edit the file, and you see wubi line, thats wha tyou remove | 04:38 |
| Flannel | something along those lines, yes. | 04:38 |
| ajavid | I'm sorry i don't treat people like complete idiots | 04:38 |
| ajavid | you can feel free to do so, I won't | 04:38 |
| Flannel | ajavid: You wouldn't be treating him like an idiot, you'd be answering his question. | 04:39 |
| ajavid | Flannel, I think my answer was good enough. | 04:39 |
| Flannel | How much more effort would it have taken you to be more specific? | 04:39 |
| ajavid | hardly any | 04:39 |
| Flannel | Practically none. How much better would your support have been? | 04:39 |
| Flannel | many times moreso. | 04:39 |
| ajavid | it would have been better, I agree | 04:39 |
| ajavid | but it was fine as it was too | 04:39 |
| ajavid | you're point is valid, it could have been better, but it was fine | 04:40 |
| ajavid | there was nothing WRONG with it | 04:40 |
| Flannel | "edit this file" is not nearly as helpful as it ought to be. | 04:40 |
| ajavid | I dont' think we're going to see eye to eye on this | 04:40 |
| ajavid | if you feel the need to remove me, that is your perogative, feel free to do so | 04:40 |
| elky | Flannel, did he at least check the competence of the person first? | 04:40 |
| Flannel | elky: No, he just said "edit boot.ini" when someone asked about it | 04:41 |
| elky | eep | 04:41 |
| Flannel | and then said ask in ##windows | 04:41 |
| ajavid | no | 04:41 |
| ajavid | paste actual log | 04:41 |
| Flannel | Alright. | 04:41 |
| ajavid | I lost mine, I dunno exactly whatI said | 04:41 |
| ajavid | sorry | 04:41 |
| Flannel | http://paste.ubuntu.com/196778/ | 04:42 |
| nalioth | i'm personally not seeing an issue. | 04:42 |
| ajavid | nalioth, neither am I, however Flannel is giving me a hard time about it,and I didn't feel that is right | 04:43 |
| ajavid | if you can convince me that I did make a mistake and I was rude, I will apologize to whoever | 04:43 |
| elky | nalioth, i am. you dont tell people to edit windows .ini files | 04:43 |
| Flannel | nalioth: ##windows shouldn't have to know how to deal with grub | 04:44 |
| ajavid | Flannel, you miss the point completely | 04:44 |
| Flannel | ajavid: Yes, you despise windows, I know. | 04:44 |
| ajavid | I sent him to ##windows to figure out HOW to edit the boot.ini file | 04:44 |
| Flannel | ajavid: Just *skip* the question next time | 04:44 |
| ajavid | as it is not a trivial as editing | 04:44 |
| ajavid | you have to set soe system/hidden attributes off | 04:44 |
| Flannel | ajavid: And ##windows knows what to remove? | 04:44 |
| ajavid | I refus to support this in ubuntu | 04:45 |
| ajavid | i sent him to windows to find out HOW to edit boot.ini | 04:45 |
| Flannel | ajavid: then *dont* but don't half-ass support either. | 04:45 |
| elky | ajavid, then ignore it next time | 04:45 |
| ajavid | and I told him, the entry is in boot.ini, edit this file | 04:45 |
| ajavid | 10:40 <+ Flannel> ajavid: Yes, you despise windows, I know. | 04:45 |
| ajavid | desctruvtive, uncalled for | 04:45 |
| ajavid | 10:40 <+ Flannel> ajavid: Just *skip* the question next time | 04:45 |
| ajavid | not always | 04:45 |
| ajavid | I still do not think I did anything wrong | 04:45 |
| ajavid | 10:41 <+ Flannel> ajavid: then *dont* but don't half-ass support either. | 04:46 |
| elky | ajavid, you are not helping your situation at all. | 04:46 |
| ajavid | I have never provided half ass support | 04:46 |
| ajavid | I'm standing up for myself. | 04:46 |
| elky | ajavid, yes you have. that pastebin contains it. | 04:46 |
| ajavid | elky, and I agreed with hima bout it being better, however it was fine as it was | 04:46 |
| elky | ajavid, no it was not fine. | 04:46 |
| ajavid | edit boot.ini, go to windows to learn how to edit boot.ini | 04:46 |
| ajavid | if you edit boot ini and you you see wubi, be sure to remvoe something else, I suppose telling him exactly | 04:47 |
| ajavid | 20:24 < sirninja> How do I remove ubuntu as a boot option after I uninstall wubi? | 04:47 |
| ajavid | he did not ask how to remove it form boot.ini | 04:48 |
| ajavid | as my understanding goes | 04:48 |
| ajavid | telling him to look in boot.ini will do it for him | 04:48 |
| ajavid | edit boot.ini, and rmove the wubi line | 04:48 |
| ajavid | Flannel | 04:48 |
| ajavid | ss arguemtn is that I didn't mention the 2nd part | 04:48 |
| elky | ajavid, you dont just tell people to edit ini files. | 04:48 |
| ajavid | which I didn't think was neccesery | 04:48 |
| ajavid | as editing boo.ini implies that the wubi entry is there | 04:48 |
| ajavid | like I said | 04:48 |
| ajavid | I wasn't trying to treat him like an idot | 04:49 |
| elky | ajavid, you're not helping yourself at all. | 04:49 |
| ajavid | if you still do not see my logic or reasoning then there is littl I can do | 04:49 |
| ajavid | elky, and what exactly does that mean? | 04:49 |
| ajavid | I stand up for myself and somehow that merits a 'threat' that I'm not helping myself? | 04:50 |
| ajavid | what exactly is your reason for telling me this? that I'll be bannd? | 04:50 |
| elky | ajavid, it means that you're going around in circles, which is not helpful for yourself. | 04:50 |
| ajavid | apparantly, with all due respect, Flannel is a bit unreasonable right now | 04:51 |
| ajavid | which is why I thought that repeating myself a few times might help it sink in. I'll stop. | 04:51 |
| ajavid | Anyway, I do not believe I did anythign wrong. | 04:51 |
| elky | ajavid, and we believe you did. as it's our channel, it's our judgement that counts. | 04:51 |
| Flannel | ajavid: Just don't do it again, and there won't be any issues. We already went over the cost/benefit analysis of proper support | 04:52 |
| ajavid | I've provied support almost everyday in #debian for the past 8-9 years. Never once have I been treated like this for trying to help someone. | 04:52 |
| ajavid | This is just plain wrong. | 04:52 |
| elky | ajavid, ubuntu is not debian. | 04:52 |
| ajavid | apparantly, in your self rightousness you fail to respect people in some manner | 04:53 |
| elky | debian lets anything fly. we dont. | 04:53 |
| ajavid | you shoudl be ashamed of yourself for imposing BS on people like this | 04:53 |
| ajavid | wow. great way to deal with issues. | 04:54 |
| ajavid | Really, with all due respect. Some of you maybe reasonable enough, but some are not. Quite honestly, SHAME on you. I'm out. | 04:55 |
| elky | riddance. | 04:55 |
| elky | he's not even in either debian main channel that i can see | 04:55 |
| elky | ah, there he is | 04:56 |
| elky | im yet to see any support in there from him, but i have found him talking about wanting to put his *cough* in a computer... | 04:59 |
| elky | and how the army is what you do when you want to kill people legally... | 05:00 |
| elky | this is just getting worse and worse | 05:00 |
| Myrtti | nalioth: I think ubot3 is broken again | 07:42 |
| Myrtti | ubot3: ping | 08:21 |
| ubot3 | ping yourself ;-) really the diodes all down my left side are sore | 08:21 |
| Myrtti | ubot3: info pidgin | 08:22 |
| jussio1 | grumle. | 09:33 |
| jussio1 | when did I part last? | 09:33 |
| Myrtti | [10:07] ~~~jussi01 [n=jussi01@ubuntu/member/jussi01] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] | 09:33 |
| jussio1 | ok, so only 1 hour or so ago | 09:34 |
| jussio1 | hrm | 09:34 |
| Myrtti | 90mins | 09:34 |
| * jussio1 goes to call people to sort out stuff | 09:34 | |
| Myrtti | ubot3: info xournal | 12:36 |
| nalioth | is ubottu working? | 13:01 |
| jussi01 | !test | 13:01 |
| ubottu | sigh... again? I'm busy here, I already told you it failed. | 13:01 |
| jussi01 | nalioth: looks that way... | 13:01 |
| nalioth | ubottu: info konqueror | 13:02 |
| nalioth | !info konqueror | 13:02 |
| ubottu | konqueror (source: kdebase): KDE 4's advanced file manager, web browser and document viewer. In component main, is optional. Version 4:4.2.2-0ubuntu4 (jaunty), package size 1190 kB, installed size 3504 kB | 13:02 |
| jussi01 | !info waon | 13:02 |
| ubottu | waon (source: waon): A Wave-to-Notes transcriber. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.8-0ubuntu2 (jaunty), package size 84 kB, installed size 240 kB | 13:02 |
| jussi01 | hehe | 13:02 |
| jussi01 | ubot3: !info waon | 13:02 |
| nalioth | well, ubot3 usually only breaks when the db goes south | 13:04 |
| nalioth | so i'm pretty clueless | 13:05 |
| nalioth | ubot3: info konqueror | 13:05 |
| ubot3 | konqueror: KDE 4's advanced file manager, web browser and document viewer. In component main, is optional. Version 4:4.1.4-0ubuntu1~intrepid2 (intrepid), package size 1321 kB, installed size 3884 kB | 13:05 |
| nalioth | guess supybots need a restart every couple of months | 13:05 |
| jussi01 | nalioth: yeah | 13:08 |
| nalioth | wonder if i ought to make that a cronjob | 13:08 |
| Daviey | Well why not put the supybots on a poor hosting provider and allow them to inadvertently reboot the server, spawning supybot on reboot? :) | 13:09 |
| Daviey | Dreamhost is my first thought :) | 13:09 |
| elky | irc is forbidden on dreamhost | 13:09 |
| Daviey | depends what page you read.. | 13:10 |
| Daviey | but i suspect you missed the point | 13:10 |
| Myrtti | IST VERBOTEN! | 13:10 |
| elky | Daviey, i have a dreamhost account. i suspect you miss my point. | 13:10 |
| Daviey | ok | 13:11 |
| nalioth | Daviey: i've had DH for years and not had any issues | 13:11 |
| nalioth | elky: it's not? i'm running several cgi gateways there | 13:11 |
| elky | nalioth, they rather suck at monitoring | 13:12 |
| elky | nalioth, although, you probably signed up when they didnt have the explicit statement in their TOS | 13:12 |
| Daviey | nalioth: sure, but the servers do tend to get rebooted every <30 days | 13:12 |
| nalioth | Daviey: i've not run any continous processes, so wouldn't know | 13:13 |
| Daviey | nalioth: ~2 years ago i tried to run irssi+screen with them.. Having a cronjob to re-start irssi was "interesting" | 13:14 |
| Daviey | (for clarification, it wasn't a serious suggestion..) | 13:15 |
| jussi01 | Daviey: we have the bots on a server that we can do pretty much anything to... | 13:24 |
| Daviey | jussi01: sure, it was a non-serious suggestion pointing to automating the process. | 13:30 |
| Daviey | Wish i hadn't of said anything now :) | 13:30 |
| * nalioth throws Daviey out the window | 13:32 | |
| * nalioth throws a custard afterward | 13:32 | |
| * jussi01 bites Daviey | 13:33 | |
| Daviey | nalioth: your custard is lumpy :( | 13:33 |
| * Myrtti throws a bucket of marmite | 13:33 | |
| popey | \o/ | 13:34 |
| elky | jussi01, well, we have the bots on numerous vpses actually | 13:34 |
| elky | marmite? om nom nom. | 13:34 |
| jussi01 | hello popey | 13:34 |
| elky | remind me to get some cheese tomorrow so i can have marmite and cheese on crackers plzkthx | 13:34 |
| nalioth | elky: you prefer marmite over vegemite? or 'our mate' ? | 13:35 |
| elky | nalioth, indeed i do. | 13:35 |
| nalioth | i don't like vegemite, as it's got a higher melting point than UK marmite | 13:36 |
| elky | marmite is the original and definately the better | 13:36 |
| jussi01 | vegemite is better. and elky, HOW UNAUSTRALIAN ARE YOU!!! | 13:39 |
| Myrtti | I want to kill authors of epiphany :-( | 13:39 |
| popey | vegemite is marmite for wusses | 13:42 |
| popey | :) | 13:42 |
| jussi01 | popey: bite me! | 13:42 |
| popey | vegemite has a smoother less harsh flavour imo | 13:42 |
| * popey nibbles jussi01 | 13:42 | |
| elky | popey, and it's got a tackier aftertaste | 13:43 |
| popey | yus | 13:43 |
| elky | jussi01, dont make me send you a jar of promite. | 13:44 |
| elky | now that stuff is foul | 13:44 |
| jussi01 | elky: yeah, well thats true | 13:45 |
| nalioth | i like marmite, as i can drop a spoonful in my cooking and it melts nicely - vegemite requires a higher temp to melt | 13:47 |
| Myrtti | nnngnghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghhghghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh I hate people who give lmgtfy links | 15:05 |
| Pici | +1 | 15:05 |
| Myrtti | "but next time he'll know how to google it" | 15:06 |
| Pici | In a support channel? | 15:06 |
| Myrtti | yup | 15:06 |
| Myrtti | -fi | 15:06 |
| Myrtti | why do I bother? I only get bad tempered in ubuntu channels these days | 15:09 |
| Pici | Tell them that the answer is unacceptable | 15:10 |
| Myrtti | Pici: he's already protested my complain with "but next time he'll know how to google it" | 15:13 |
| Myrtti | I'm stumped | 15:13 |
| nalioth | beats the alternative google URL | 15:13 |
| Myrtti | ooh, now he gave the link to the first page result | 15:13 |
| Pici | I feel that its not good behavior for a support channel. | 15:14 |
| * jussio1 wonders where this is... | 15:14 | |
| Myrtti | jussio1: the JFGI thing? | 15:14 |
| Myrtti | witnessed in #ubuntu-fi | 15:14 |
| jussio1 | Myrtti: yeah, Im not in many chans if you didnt notice | 15:15 |
| jussio1 | ooh, skype does /me :D | 15:15 |
| Myrtti | sure, it does replaces as well | 15:15 |
| Myrtti | atleast on the windows client | 15:16 |
| jussio1 | :D | 15:16 |
| Myrtti | misstype something and correct it on the following line with s/client/application/ | 15:16 |
| genii-around | Is jussi's site up and down today ? I seem to be getting a lot of disconncts | 15:21 |
| jussio1 | genii-around: yes | 15:21 |
| nalioth | jussio1: I told you that random genii-disconnect script was not random enough :P | 15:21 |
| jussio1 | genii-around: power outages today | 15:21 |
| genii-around | nalioth: Bah! ;) | 15:22 |
| jussio1 | nalioth: rofl | 15:22 |
| genii-around | jussio1: OK. I'll stay on Konv then for a while | 15:22 |
| jussio1 | genii-around: Ill let you know when it comes back up. | 15:22 |
| genii-around | Thanks :) | 15:22 |
| === jussio1_ is now known as jussio1 | ||
| jussio1 | !ircc | 17:05 |
| ubottu | The Ubuntu IRC Council is the team governance council for the the Ubuntu IRC channels on the freenode network - For serious inquiries please join #ubuntu-irc-council - See also https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam/IrcCouncil | 17:05 |
| jussio1 | ooh, someone updated it already. :) | 17:06 |
| Pici | jussio1: yes, the person from the factoid factory | 17:06 |
| jussio1 | Pici: nice :d | 17:07 |
| Pici | I didn't touch !appeal, we should touch the wiki page it references instead. | 17:07 |
| jussio1 | yeah | 17:07 |
| jussio1 | someone should do that... | 17:07 |
| * Myrtti assigns jussi01 on the job | 17:13 | |
| Myrtti | first rule of the internets: "do not say 'someone should do it'" | 17:14 |
| === Gary is now known as evilGary | ||
| ubottu | fccf called the ops in #ubuntu (sllide indecent) | 17:36 |
| === jussio1_ is now known as jussio1 | ||
| ubottu | In ubottu, narrowtux said: !busybox is Busybox is a recovery shell built-into the kernel | 19:38 |
| ubottu | In ubottu, narrowtux said: !foo is foo | 19:40 |
| ubottu | In ubottu, narrowtux said: !foo is also bar | 19:40 |
| * Pici thinks that <also> is hackish | 20:33 | |
| popey | vcghjkgfdcx == Samuel_AFK | 20:41 |
| popey | who was banned from -uk and has changed nick to evade that ban | 20:42 |
| popey | and changed username | 20:42 |
| === stew is now known as HolieThePony | ||
| nalioth | hmmm | 22:46 |
| * genii-around sips | 22:48 | |
| genii-around | I think bazhang's connection is broken | 22:56 |
| nalioth | genii-around: how about the sky? blue, dya think? | 22:57 |
| * genii-around looks outside to make sure | 22:59 | |
| genii-around | Sorta grey today :) | 22:59 |
| === HolieThePony is now known as stew | ||
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