| owh | This might turn into a question that's too big for IRC, but I'm unsure where to start. I need to provide SSO for a small business. They're going to be using Google Apps as their email/calendar and the workstations are running Windows. Currently it's all peer to peer, but I need to centrally manage their installations. There's a Ubuntu 8.04 File/Print server... | 00:02 |
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| owh | I want the implementation to be Ubuntu based. I'd like them to have roaming profiles and I'd like it all to be centrally manageable. I like Google's UI for managing users and it seems to make sense to re-use that. | 00:03 |
| owh | Am I reaching for the moon? | 00:03 |
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| icarus_squared | what kernel does 9.04 SE come with? | 00:44 |
| uvirtbot | New bug: #387572 in bacula (universe) "package bacula-director-mysql 2.4.2-1ubuntu6 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/387572 | 00:55 |
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| uvirtbot | New bug: #387576 in libnss-ldap (universe) "Cannot use LDAP accounts on armel build; has incorrect symlink or /lib/nss_ldap.so incorrectly supplied" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/387576 | 01:16 |
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| fbc-mx | Is there an easy way of running a command recursively on every directory under the one I'm in? | 01:32 |
| fbc-mx | Ops I meant "IN every directory" | 01:33 |
| owh | fbc-mx: Use the find command. What are you trying to do? | 01:36 |
| qman__ | owh, It's certainly doable, but it'll take a lot of work. There's also not a lot in the way of documentation for creating complete solutions like that. You're going to need Samba in the very least, and probably openldap or kerberos | 02:59 |
| qman__ | I'm all for open source, but there's something to be said for the simplicity of setting up Active Directory. Getting a working Linux domain controller is pretty difficult. | 03:03 |
| twb | It kinda helps AD that Microsoft wrote the standards that you're talking about. | 03:04 |
| qman__ | That too, though it does help us that they used Kerberos | 03:04 |
| twb | They use Microsoft Kerberos. | 03:04 |
| twb | It's extended in some way that I forget the details of, though they did publish an RFC documenting it | 03:05 |
| sommer | twb: yep, and I believe that mit kerberos 1.7 will have much of their custom stuff | 03:05 |
| qman__ | Samba 4 should make things a lot easier when it finally comes out | 03:06 |
| owh | I *really* don't want to install a Windows server in this network, just so I have an AD. I might as well format the HDD on the Linux server and give them an all Windows solution. | 03:13 |
| owh | Next, I'll remove Thunderbird, Firefox and OO.org and throw them right back into the stone-age :) | 03:14 |
| owh | Imagine for a moment that I didn't say SSO with Google, does that change the picture any? How do real networks without Windows to central authentication? | 03:15 |
| owh | Uh, that should read: "How do real networks without Windows do central authentication?" | 03:15 |
| sommer | owh: I use openldap | 03:17 |
| sommer | owh: but to take advantage of Google's SSO facilities, I imagine you'll need to write some type of pam plugin to talk to google over the net | 03:18 |
| sommer | owh: are you talking about using a web based application for machine authentication? | 03:18 |
| owh | No. | 03:18 |
| owh | I want them to talk to the samba server which is currently a peer, but will become a domain controller. | 03:19 |
| owh | s/talk/authenticate/ | 03:19 |
| owh | I'd like the samba server to get credentials from somewhere else. | 03:19 |
| sommer | owh: ah, that's not that hard then... you'll need to configure samba as a domain controller, and the easiest thing is configure samba to get users from ldap | 03:20 |
| sommer | owh: there's information in the serverguide for setting samba up with ldap, and as a DC | 03:20 |
| sommer | owh: I am also migrating to goole apps, and the SSO stuff is on the todo list | 03:20 |
| owh | Yeah, I'm aware of the docs for that. What I haven't figured out is how their local person can manage accounts using that. | 03:20 |
| sommer | at this time there isn't a great single solution for that... but there are gui tools to manage an LDAP directory, phpldapadmin, lat, etc | 03:21 |
| sommer | also from the command line smbldaptools will tweak user settings | 03:22 |
| owh | I've lookes at most if not all of those, but they all expose the innards of LDAP, which is highly obnoxious to a simple user. | 03:22 |
| owh | s/lookes/looked/ | 03:22 |
| sommer | agreed, but AFAIK there isn't a simple gui tool to do everything you'd like | 03:23 |
| sommer | err without exposing LDAP anyway :0 | 03:23 |
| owh | I'm happy to assist in an integrated Google SSO solution. From what I've read thus far, it's really there to provide local authentication to a remote Google Application. Not quite what I need. | 03:23 |
| owh | I really don't want to have to provide all manner of sync tools and password change things - yuk. | 03:24 |
| sommer | there was a lot of discussion at the last UDS for a central directory solution, and the plan is to use the adduser scripts for LDAP management | 03:24 |
| owh | That's probably going to help making it possible to manage the users through the existing Ubuntu User GUI Admin Tool | 03:25 |
| sommer | it should :-) | 03:25 |
| owh | So, I'm a decade too early then :) | 03:25 |
| owh | Ok, so, how does a large - say SUN - installation do this? | 03:26 |
| owh | I mean, I cannot believe we're the first to tread this ground. | 03:26 |
| sommer | I imagine there own admin tools | 03:26 |
| owh | So is everyone else just cobbling together all little bits and pieces with their own little scripts? | 03:27 |
| ajmitch | all the pieces are there - the bits to tie them together & manage them aren't | 03:27 |
| sommer | that's the consensus I've come up with... from being around multiple admins | 03:27 |
| ajmitch | and it's those management tools & ways of setting things up that take a significant amount of time | 03:27 |
| owh | Yup | 03:28 |
| sommer | right you pretty much expose no LDAP innards, or all of them | 03:28 |
| sommer | and if you don't expose them you're locked into a certain tree configuration... which may or may not be a bad thing | 03:28 |
| owh | So how does AD deal with that? I cannot imagine the MCSE's I know doing any thinking of their own. | 03:29 |
| owh | Point - click - hunt - click - hunt - whoops - click - fixed. | 03:29 |
| owh | Or is that unfair? | 03:30 |
| ajmitch | because a lot of things on the client & server are preconfigured in the case of AD | 03:30 |
| sommer | AD locks you into their directory layout | 03:30 |
| ajmitch | s/a lot/nearly everything/ | 03:30 |
| sommer | it's really hard to add attributes in AD for example | 03:30 |
| sommer | well once you do the pretty GUI admin tools won't know about your changes | 03:31 |
| owh | I read/skimmed the LP blueprint on some of this. I didn't really understand the concerns raised about example.com vs example, etc. | 03:32 |
| * owh is hunting for the URL | 03:32 | |
| ajmitch | flexibility is both the best & worst thing about what we have | 03:32 |
| owh | Never a truer word has been spoken. | 03:33 |
| owh | The URL: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/ldap-defaultdit-usergrp-mgmt | 03:33 |
| owh | There is nothing wrong with making a choice. Ubuntu is a good example of that, u-s, ditto. | 03:33 |
| * ajmitch spent a little bit of time looking at this in the past | 03:33 | |
| ajmitch | but not enough to suggest an easy way out :) | 03:34 |
| owh | Well, one comment in that page was to use the ubuntu-server survey to determine a starting point. SOHO was indicated by I'm guessing nijaba. | 03:35 |
| ajmitch | yep, that's the sort of target market I'd like to look at | 03:36 |
| ajmitch | since NZ is full of small businesses | 03:36 |
| owh | It's a good starting point. You can argue that a big organisation is a collection of SOHO's anyway. | 03:36 |
| * owh didn't know you were in NZ. | 03:37 | |
| ajmitch | yep, in Dunedin enjoying the snow today | 03:37 |
| ajmitch | you'll be coming to LCA next year I hope? | 03:37 |
| owh | Details? | 03:37 |
| ajmitch | late january in wellington | 03:38 |
| owh | Sounds like an interesting idea. | 03:38 |
| ajmitch | http://www.lca2010.org.nz/ | 03:38 |
| owh | Hmm, a very interesting idea indeed! | 03:38 |
| ajmitch | I'm just talking to one of the organisers now in our LoCo channel who wants people to talk about the sort of things you're asking | 03:39 |
| owh | Channel? | 03:39 |
| ajmitch | irc channel, the usual #ubuntu-nz | 03:39 |
| ajmitch | but we'll need someone able to talk on such things | 03:40 |
| owh | Well some of the time, if not most of the time, the problem is not writing the code. The problem is defining the problem. | 03:40 |
| owh | Design, Design, Design. | 03:40 |
| owh | And some coding on the side :) | 03:41 |
| ajmitch | of course | 03:41 |
| * ScottK works on some complex projects where the cost is 50% design, 20 % code, 30% testing and they don't test nearly enough. | 03:44 | |
| owh | One of my colleagues is the testing manager for a bank - he agrees :) | 03:45 |
| owh | In a previous life I was a multi-media developer, design was 85%. | 03:47 |
| twb | owh: it probably doesn't help that he's writing in COBOL on an AIX | 03:50 |
| owh | You have no idea how funny that is twb. Lemmie tell you a little anonymised story. | 03:51 |
| * twb cowers | 03:52 | |
| twb | "I work for an investment bank. I have dealt with code written by stock exchanges. I have seen how the computer systems that store your money are run. If I ever make a fortune, I will store it in gold bullion under my bed." -- Matthew Crosby | 03:52 |
| owh | An organisation bills $1million per day. It's a telco. Their billing software runs on a VAX cluster. VAXen are no longer made. They do not have infrastructure or resources to run an old system and a new system side-by-side to trial a new system. Their solution was to virtualise their hurd of VAXen. | 03:53 |
| twb | owh: ever seens the emulation layers necessary to run a Lisp Machine on AMD64 hardware? | 03:53 |
| * owh shudders. | 03:54 | |
| owh | That's like emulating a PDP-11 on a 6502 running virtually. | 03:54 |
| ajmitch | on such things empires are built | 03:54 |
| twb | lispm -> genera -> alpha -> powerpc (ivory) -> os x | 03:54 |
| owh | twb: Where's the AMD64 in that? | 03:55 |
| twb | os x runs on AMD64 CPUs now | 03:55 |
| owh | Didn't know that. | 03:55 |
| twb | Apple dropped PowerPC years ago | 03:55 |
| owh | I thought it was all Intel. | 03:55 |
| twb | (Note that 64-bit Intel CPUs are AMD64 architecture.) | 03:55 |
| owh | Ah | 03:56 |
| * owh is waiting for a shiny 17" MacBook to arrive. | 03:56 | |
| owh | This is so I can finally virtualise things again - bleh. | 03:57 |
| * ScottK has been bitten by "Don't worry, we're emulating the old environment so the software won't even know the difference." | 03:58 | |
| owh | Details? | 03:58 |
| owh | They don't have to be sordid :) | 03:58 |
| owh | So, if integrated SSO is not ready for prime-time like discussion seems to indicate. What would be a smart way to start down the road so past investments don't end up being thrown out with the bathwater? | 04:00 |
| ScottK | It didn't go well. | 04:03 |
| owh | What kind of issues were there? | 04:03 |
| ScottK | Except of timing and I/O the emulation worked fine. | 04:03 |
| owh | You mean internal clocks etc? | 04:04 |
| ScottK | Yes | 04:04 |
| ScottK | It was essentially hand built assembly language, so it mattered. | 04:04 |
| owh | When virtual time and real time don't match - fun. | 04:04 |
| ScottK | That and timing mattered for some of the pieces it was integrated with. | 04:05 |
| ScottK | The getting bitten part was that none of this was noticed until the project was in the integration testing phase. | 04:05 |
| ScottK | At which point it was too late to go back .... | 04:06 |
| owh | I can just imagine trying to implement say a serial driver in an emulated environment. | 04:06 |
| ScottK | You're imagining in the right direction. | 04:06 |
| owh | So you couldn't sync clocks in any other way? | 04:06 |
| ScottK | The old system was extremely deterministic. The new one, not so much. | 04:07 |
| ScottK | Imagine something engineered for a hard RT kernel and you swap in a regular one and expect it to be happy. | 04:07 |
| owh | phone | 04:08 |
| owh | That was the weirdest phone call I've had in years. Anyway moving right along. | 04:12 |
| owh | Yeah, I can see your fun. | 04:13 |
| owh | How did you end up fixing it? | 04:13 |
| ScottK | Fortunately I didn't have to. I was involved in one of the projects that had to integrate with it. We got promised it would be transparent. We weren't at all suprised it wasn't. | 04:14 |
| ScottK | So we screamed and beat the other project with a metaphorical stick until they bug fixed a design into existence. | 04:15 |
| owh | Riiight. That's code for: "Ah, we uhm stopped virtualising it?" | 04:16 |
| ScottK | No, they actually made it sort of work. | 04:16 |
| ScottK | Well enough to pretend it was sort of OK until the real rehosted version was done. | 04:17 |
| ScottK | Then, of course, funding got cut so not all these bastardized ones got replaced ..... | 04:17 |
| ScottK | So the long term solution was lowered expectations. | 04:17 |
| ScottK | Very motivational story, yes? | 04:18 |
| owh | I'll say. | 04:18 |
| owh | That seems to be the modus operandi these days. | 04:19 |
| ScottK | Of course that was the last time they got away with 'Trust us ....'. | 04:19 |
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| owh | Authentication is a funny thing. Seems not all people can get their hands around the difference between me authenticating them and them authenticating me. | 05:26 |
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| th0m | hi | 09:04 |
| th0m | i just install ubuntu server (8.10, and 9.04) as guest os under vmware esx4. "dd" is very slow (20MB/s). I have 200MB/s result under debian (same config, iscsi san storage). A,y idea what could be wrong with ubuntu server default install/kernel please ? (mtpbase maybe something?) | 09:07 |
| _ruben | "interesting" .. never done any real performance testing with linux guests on esx (ESXi 3.5 in my case) .. dd is far from useful as a benchmark, iometer is way better, then again, its linux client is kinda crappy as well | 09:08 |
| Ethos | if I change etc/sudoers what service do I need to restart for the changes to take effect? | 09:11 |
| th0m | _ruben, i can understand that dd is not the tool for benchmark , but i should have at least the same perf as a debian default install. I cant get what's wrong ... | 09:13 |
| soren | Ethos: No need to restart anything. | 09:27 |
| Ethos | thanks | 09:32 |
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| owh | th0m: Are you running vmware tools/open-vm-tools in both - on the same hardware? | 09:55 |
| uvirtbot | New bug: #387728 in nut (universe) "package nut 2.4.1-2ubuntu4 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/387728 | 09:56 |
| uvirtbot | New bug: #244233 in mailman "Logrotate is noisy with: Re-opening all log files" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/244233 | 11:21 |
| uvirtbot | New bug: #387778 in bacula (universe) "Incorrect application entry for bacula-console-qt" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/387778 | 11:35 |
| uvirtbot | New bug: #387813 in bind9 (main) "package bind9 1:9.5.1.dfsg.P2-1 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/387813 | 12:11 |
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| uvirtbot | New bug: #387852 in mysql-dfsg-5.0 (main) "package mysql-server-5.0 5.1.30really5.0.75-0ubuntu10.2 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess new pre-removal script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/387852 | 13:31 |
| ewook | hail ivoks | 13:38 |
| ivoks | hi | 13:39 |
| ewook | yo :) | 13:40 |
| ivoks | ttx: you remember the hadoop session? | 13:49 |
| ivoks | The HDFS filesystem is a Java-based filesystem | 13:51 |
| ttx | ivoks: yes | 13:51 |
| ivoks | hm... sometimes, developers play interesting games :) | 13:51 |
| ttx | ivoks: yes :) | 13:51 |
| ivoks | ttx: so, were there any significant stuff regarding java dependecies? | 13:52 |
| ttx | ivoks: there are a few issues, but nothing that cannot be worked-around | 13:53 |
| ivoks | aparently, there is source package | 13:53 |
| ivoks | so we could try to get it in ubuntu | 13:53 |
| ttx | ivoks: I wanted to have a look at the debian packaging from Cloudera | 13:53 |
| ivoks | i might work on that, but i'll need your help with java stuff | 13:53 |
| ivoks | ttx: that's the one i was thinking about | 13:54 |
| ttx | ivoks: I can send you the email about deps I already sent to soren a few weeks ago | 13:54 |
| ivoks | that would be good | 13:54 |
| ttx | ivoks: my guess about the cloudera packages is that they packaged a binary directly... I would be very surprised if they did it following the rules | 13:54 |
| ivoks | ttx: that's what they said, i didn't check it yest | 13:55 |
| ivoks | yet | 13:55 |
| ttx | ivoks: mail sent | 13:56 |
| ttx | ivoks: I'm available for help :) | 13:57 |
| ivoks | i've read it | 13:57 |
| ivoks | i hate non-FHS apps | 13:58 |
| ttx | ivoks: Java applications are notoriously FHS-adverse. With a few notable exceptions | 13:58 |
| ttx | ivoks: and Java upstream usually don't like when you try to install their software in a FHS-compliant way. They blame all issues on your symlink hacks. | 14:00 |
| ivoks | this is a good argument for pro-mono advocates | 14:01 |
| ivoks | :) | 14:01 |
| ttx | (which makes sense, from their OS-neutral point of view) | 14:01 |
| ttx | heh, don't start me on that one ;) | 14:01 |
| RobertF | Hello | 14:28 |
| RobertF | 9.10 (alpha2) => frederic is not in the sudoers file. | 14:28 |
| dnperfors | RobertF: So? is he a member of the admin group? | 14:35 |
| RobertF | dnperfors: is it a bug? | 14:38 |
| RobertF | dnperfors: I create the user during the install | 14:38 |
| Sam-I-Am | i've heard about an issue where the user created during install doesnt always get sudo access like they should | 14:48 |
| Sam-I-Am | not sure if its an official bug yet | 14:48 |
| ivoks | there was one couple of releases ago | 14:51 |
| ivoks | iirc, selecting mail server task with a 'no configuration' option for postfix, resulted in not adding user to admin group | 14:52 |
| lamont | ivoks: how very strange | 15:11 |
| ivoks | yeah | 15:12 |
| ivoks | we had hard time to figure out how come that happend to that user | 15:12 |
| ivoks | until she put all the steps in install | 15:13 |
| soren | lamont: It turned out to be because the postinst of postfix exited with an error code causing the rest d-i's finish-install stuff to be skipped. | 15:13 |
| ivoks | there was even a blog about it | 15:13 |
| ivoks | right | 15:13 |
| soren | lamont: Yes, postfix. So it was all your fault :) | 15:14 |
| Sam-I-Am | always blame lamont :P | 15:18 |
| lamont | I totally win | 15:20 |
| uvirtbot | New bug: #387930 in kerberos-configs (universe) "package krb5-config 1.22 failed to install/upgrade: Unterprozess post-installation script gab den Fehlerwert 1 zur?ck" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/387930 | 15:20 |
| zul | so has anyone created a mirror from a cd-rom? | 16:28 |
| mathiaz | zul: what do you mean exactly? | 16:28 |
| mathiaz | zul: the packages on the cdrom have the same structure as a mirror | 16:29 |
| mathiaz | zul: there are dists/ and pool/ directories at the root of the iso | 16:29 |
| zul | mathiaz: gotcha | 16:29 |
| th0m | is there a way to freeze a test server ? | 16:46 |
| th0m | (to smiluate a troubleshooting) | 16:46 |
| th0m | cat /dev/random > /dev/something_crucial ? | 16:46 |
| ivoks | ttx: you should've been quiet :) | 16:59 |
| ttx | ivoks: I won't say anything more :P | 16:59 |
| ivoks | kirkland: so, what's your opinion on dkms? | 16:59 |
| ivoks | kirkland: did you use it for kvm backports? | 17:00 |
| ivoks | well, i have to go now... take care | 17:10 |
| leonel | will postgresql 8.4 included in Karmic ??? PostgreSQL 8.4 RC1 was released today .. | 17:31 |
| mathiaz | leonel: I'm not sure we include RCs in Debian/Ubuntu | 17:56 |
| leonel | mathiaz: of course not, I mean now that the RC 1 is out, the Final version will be on Jun 29 so .. I guess it can make to Debian / Ubuntu right ?? | 18:03 |
| mathiaz | leonel: probably - if pitti has time to upload 8.4 to debian before FeatureFreeze (end of august) | 18:04 |
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| newtoubuntu | i am trying to uninstall gnome flash | 18:50 |
| newtoubuntu | can any one help? | 18:50 |
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| giovani|work | what's gnome flash? | 18:52 |
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| jeiworth | hi all, we are currently looking for a decent groupware for our tiny grafic design office, so far i have been checking zimbra, opengroupware and openxchange and it looks like we'll go for zimbra (although i have a bit of a stomach ache due to yahoo perhaps being sold to the evil overlord ;o)) anyone here with experience with opensource groupware? | 19:13 |
| sarthor | Hi, How to install / Run http://www.shorewall.net/MultiISP.html#lsm | 19:19 |
| kirkland | ivoks around? | 19:19 |
| mathiaz | kees: does this compiler error ring a bell? http://paste.ubuntu.com/197240/ | 20:09 |
| Hecate | hezali, i don't know what gnome föash is supposed to be, either. maybe you're talking about gnash aka. gnu flash. if you do: this is totally off topic in the server chan. | 20:11 |
| kees | mathiaz: checking | 20:27 |
| kees | mathiaz: never seen that before. | 20:27 |
| kees | mathiaz: http://www.cellperformance.com/mike_acton/2006/06/understanding_strict_aliasing.html might be helpful? | 20:28 |
| mathiaz | kees: ok - I haven't done any investigation on this one | 20:28 |
| mathiaz | kees: is the failure related to the FORTIFY defaults? | 20:29 |
| kees | mathiaz: I don't think so -- likely just gcc tightening semantics of the language | 21:24 |
| maw | on a fresh install, what does ubuntu-server use as a MTA | 21:29 |
| maw | can mail be relayed off the server or do I need to install postfix? | 21:29 |
| oruwork | maw-> I am very new to linux and I set up postfix / dovecot about 6 monhts ago for a 10 people company that i work for and we haven't had a single problem | 21:37 |
| oruwork | maw-> to be more specific, its not just for internal email, its for external | 21:37 |
| maw | my question was asking if anyone knows if an MTA is shipped in the default install | 21:38 |
| maw | so apps can send email etc... | 21:38 |
| oruwork | yes it does | 21:38 |
| Nafallo | maw: not unless you ticket the task for it | 21:38 |
| maw | I am not trying to setup a mailserver for users | 21:38 |
| Nafallo | ticked even | 21:38 |
| oruwork | maw-> yeah, you have to check the mail task at install | 21:38 |
| maw | that would have been postfix if I clicked that box? | 21:38 |
| Nafallo | oh. shipped. | 21:38 |
| Nafallo | I reckon so. | 21:39 |
| maw | ah ok | 21:39 |
| Nafallo | postfix and exim (IIRC) are both on the install disk. | 21:39 |
| Nafallo | but none is installed by default of course :-) | 21:39 |
| maw | right... just clarifing. FreeBSD ships with sendmail already installed but configured as a local mailer | 21:40 |
| Nafallo | maw: it's a decision made to not install any listening daemons by default. | 21:40 |
| Nafallo | cups would be the exception, but set to bind to localhost in default installs. | 21:41 |
| maw | right | 21:41 |
| maw | I essentially verified that with netstat -an | 21:42 |
| maw | ok thx for clarifying | 21:42 |
| Nafallo | netstat -ltun is what I would have used :-) | 21:42 |
| maw | whoops forgot the l :P | 21:43 |
| Nafallo | a and l are a bit mutually exclusive aren't they? | 21:44 |
| * Nafallo checks the manual | 21:44 | |
| Nafallo | yeah. looks like it. | 21:44 |
| hvn | I'll add sudo and -p: sudo netstat -ltunp | 21:44 |
| hvn | shows the listening process too | 21:45 |
| maw | indeed, -a and -l would have similar info. That is not necessary as one might want to know just listening compared to all | 21:45 |
| billybigrigger | can any suggest a good apache log analyzer? besides awstats and webalizer? | 21:54 |
| uvirtbot | New bug: #348990 in postfix (main) "Deinstallation doesn't delete all files" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/348990 | 22:41 |
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