[09:21] <ppawel> hey folks
[09:21] <ppawel> does current (0.5.x) upstart provide dbus interface with methods and signals?
[09:21] <ppawel> in ubuntu there is 0.3.9
[09:56] <Keybuk> ppawel: yes
[09:56] <Keybuk> though not on the D-Bus system bus
[09:56] <Keybuk> it's a private D-Bus connection
[09:57] <ppawel> hmm ok
[09:57] <ppawel> is new version of upstart going to be compatible with 0.5 ?
[09:57] <Keybuk> no
[09:58] <ppawel> we are looking for integrating upstart for service management in our system
[09:58] <ppawel> we were hoping for nice D-Bus API
[09:58] <Keybuk> the next version of upstart will have that ;)
[09:59] <ppawel> I understand, but what is the time line for next version ?
[09:59] <ppawel> I guess Ubuntu 9.10 ?
[09:59] <Keybuk> right
[09:59] <Keybuk> i'm working fulltime on the new version right now
[10:02] <ppawel> in what shape is it ? would you recommend using it ?
[10:02] <Keybuk> I tend to recommend using 0.3 at the moment
[10:02] <Keybuk> the new version doesn't build yet
[10:02] <Keybuk> talking of which, brb
[10:07] <ppawel> Keybuk, is it possible to talk to upstart 0.3.9 through D-Bus then? if yes, using the same API and configuration as is in 0.5 distribution? will D-Bus API change between 0.3 and 1.0?
[10:12] <Keybuk> no, 0.3 uses a private IPC protocol
[10:17] <Keybuk> sadmac: the cn_proc setsid patch has gone to lkml for the .31 merge window
[10:25] <ppawel> Keybuk, ok thanks for the support, looking forward to the new version, also will watch fosdem talk later today
[14:57] <sadmac> Keybuk: I take it that's your monitoring stuff? (or at least the setsid support therein)?
[15:10] <Keybuk> yeah
[15:10] <Keybuk> sometimes I really hate D-Bus
[15:10] <Keybuk> Upstart's test suite yet again provides testing of other parts ;)
[15:11] <sadmac> Keybuk: fun stuff
[15:15] <sadmac> Keybuk: I'm hoping to do a second pass on that wiki page this weekend. Seems the biggest thing I'm out of sync on is creation/destruction of "instances"
[23:03] <mbiebl> Md: hi
[23:04] <mbiebl> have you seen, that most of udev-extras was moved into udev today?
[23:05] <mbiebl> The only interesting bits left in udev-extras are the keymap handling stuff.
[23:18] <Md> mbiebl: this is part of the reason I am waiting to package it :-)
[23:20] <mbiebl> I just thought it was kind of ironic, that you submitted the ITP the very same day Kay moved over all the bits from udev-extras ;-)
[23:20] <mbiebl> anyways, thanks for packaging it.
[23:21] <mbiebl> Please keep me posted on the progress so we can coordinate future uploads of HAL etc
[23:21] <mbiebl> e.g. for the ACL handling 
[23:23] <Md> I doubt I will package a current udev before a couple of weeks, after I will finish with inn2 I first need to fix the bugs in the current one and then wait for libuuid from u-l to appear
[23:24] <mbiebl> np