[00:13] <cwillu> BUGabundo, bug #388189
[00:13] <cwillu> Other bugs were similar but turned out to be different
[00:14] <BUGabundo> cwillu: thanks
[00:25] <billybigrigger> did anyone else have raid problems with upgrading to karmic? like after upgrading my disk UUID's got all mixed up, causing grub2 to not be able to find my root, and fstab couldnt mount my array because fstab had the wrong uuid
[00:41] <billybigrigger> sweet
[00:41] <billybigrigger> webcam works out of the box with karmic/cheese now :P
[00:41] <billybigrigger> no audio though :(
[00:43] <BUGabundo> ahah
[00:54] <billybigrigger> ooh deluge crash :P
[00:55] <BUGabundo> what's new?
[00:57] <maxb> I had a variety of raid-related issues with karmic, yes
[00:58] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo::: maybe due to the new gtk2.0 update today
[00:59] <billybigrigger> Jun 16 17:53:56 cabo kernel: [ 2035.299715] deluge[6739]: segfault at fffffffff8004040 ip 00007f6617818e59 sp 00007ffff610d010 error 4 in libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0.1702.0[7f6617763000+43e000]
[00:59] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: gdb it
[00:59] <billybigrigger> eh?
[01:00] <BUGabundo> LOL
[01:00] <BUGabundo> !gdb
[01:00] <maxb> or rather, first install ddebs, then gdb it
[01:00] <BUGabundo> !debug
[01:00] <billybigrigger> laugh all you want
[01:00] <BUGabundo> maxb: for some cases, plain gdb can be helpful
[01:00] <billybigrigger> :P im new to +1
[01:00] <BUGabundo> not as much as full libs but it help
[01:00] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: so were we all at some point
[01:01] <BUGabundo> one year ago, I would have done the same you did!
[01:01] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: feel free to handbrake me any time you see fit
[01:01] <billybigrigger> giver
[01:01] <BUGabundo> any time it is possible, I'll throw you a bone ^W link
[01:02] <billybigrigger> im reading so your making fun of my lack of knowledge doesn't bother me :P
[01:03] <BUGabundo> I did NOT make fun of you or your lack of knowlage
[01:03] <BUGabundo> I don't know everything... damn I know nothing... really
[01:03] <billybigrigger> so your "gdb" comment refers to G_DEBUG=fatal_criticals deluge
[01:03] <cwillu> billybigrigger, he gets to ragging on your too bad, just ask him about the time he asked me to sponsor him ;p
[01:03] <billybigrigger> eh?
[01:03] <billybigrigger> trying to get deluge to crash
[01:04] <BUGabundo> cwillu: not sponsor! testify!
[01:04] <billybigrigger> heh
[01:05] <BUGabundo> I'm the new kid on the block... I know nothing. eager to learn
[01:05] <BUGabundo> and then babel all I've read like I'm a Wizard
[01:05] <billybigrigger> muahaha
[01:05] <BUGabundo> I do a very good job as a BOT with IA
[01:06] <billybigrigger> ok, whats a trap?
[01:06] <billybigrigger> running gdb on deluge it triggered apport
[01:06] <BUGabundo> oops
[01:06] <billybigrigger> and syslog is showing trap
[01:06] <BUGabundo> that shoult NOT happen
[01:06] <billybigrigger> not segfault
[01:06] <billybigrigger> so i should not report this then?
[01:07] <billybigrigger> Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_tree_sortable_set_sort_column_id: assertion `GTK_IS_TREE_SORTABLE (sortable)' failed
[01:07] <billybigrigger> aborting...
[01:07] <billybigrigger> Trace/breakpoint trap (core dumped)
[01:07] <BUGabundo> humm
[01:07] <BUGabundo> wait a few hours
[01:07] <billybigrigger> haha
[01:07] <BUGabundo> could be package instability
[01:07] <billybigrigger> can i ask why?
[01:07] <billybigrigger> ahh
[01:07] <billybigrigger> you don't think it has anything to do with the new gtk2.0 updates?
[01:07] <BUGabundo> I've seen it happen in the past
[01:08] <BUGabundo> no need to bug devs with stuff that goes way *before* they manage to read their bug mial
[01:08] <billybigrigger> sounds good
[01:08] <billybigrigger> maybe ill go work on that grub2 wiki page :P
[01:09] <BUGabundo> nice
[01:09] <BUGabundo> still not done?
[01:09] <billybigrigger> no
[01:09] <billybigrigger> a guy from the ubuntu-doc-fr team said i could translate their wiki page
[01:09] <RichardWolfVI> BUGabundo: http://paste.ubuntu.com/196979/ Inkscape segafault
[01:10] <billybigrigger> but i don't know how comfortable i feel copy/pasting their page
[01:10] <billybigrigger> but it is written nice, but google translation doesn't do a great job and i don't know french soo...
[01:10] <BUGabundo> RichardWolfVI: I know I sound like a bot, but I'm not one!
[01:10] <BUGabundo> RichardWolfVI: what is that for?
[01:11] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: are they already updated for Grub2??
[01:11] <RichardWolfVI> BUGabundo: Earlier today, you asked me for running GDB on Inkscape
[01:11] <RichardWolfVI> about 15 hours ago
[01:11] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo::: its older, talks about installing on 8.04/8.10/9.04
[01:12] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: no use for us now, is it ?
[01:12] <billybigrigger> nope
[01:13] <BUGabundo> RichardWolfVI: I did?? I have the worse memory, believe me!
[01:13] <billybigrigger> so i was thinking of writing a whole new one for karmic
[01:13] <billybigrigger> just don't know where to stary
[01:13] <BUGabundo> RichardWolfVI: $ dpkg -S /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0
[01:13] <billybigrigger> start
[01:13] <BUGabundo> you still need a few extra debug libs
[01:13] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: HEAD /sarcasm
[01:16] <RichardWolfVI> BUGabundo: libglib2.0-0: /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0
[01:19] <BUGabundo> RichardWolfVI: now install the -debsym of that paackage
[01:25] <billybigrigger> i need food
[01:25] <billybigrigger> bbl
[01:25] <BUGabundo> me too
[01:25] <BUGabundo> its 1:30 am here
[01:26] <RichardWolfVI> BUGabundo: OK, installed
[01:26] <RichardWolfVI> now what?
[01:27] <BUGabundo> run it again on gdb
[01:27] <BUGabundo> and check for the next lib that is missing
[01:28] <BUGabundo> and repeat it all
[01:28] <BUGabundo> until you find what is causing the crash
[01:28] <RichardWolfVI> OK
[02:11] <DanaG> heh, if you accidentally have nouveau kms load, thus preventing nvidia from starting..... then failsafe-X comes on top and wrecks it with VESA.
[02:11] <DanaG> So, it renders your consoles unusable.
[02:11] <DanaG> Might be good to have failsafe-X use fbdev instead of vesa, if KMS is in use.
[02:23] <BUGabundo> $ sudo echo snoozzz | /proc/cpuinfo
[02:24] <DanaG> huh?  that makes no sense.
[02:24] <BUGabundo> see how much I need to go to bed?
[02:24] <BUGabundo> see you tommorow
[02:31] <RichardWolfVI> Inkscape segafaults unsexpectedly, GDB output: http://paste.ubuntu.com/197399/
[02:33] <ghindo> Partial upgrades aren't advisable, correct?
[02:46] <Sarvatt> ghindo: if its hotkey-setup you're referring to  its ok to let it go
[02:49] <ghindo> Sarvatt: Let it go as in, skip it for now?
[02:49] <Sarvatt> let it delete it :)
[02:53] <ghindo> Thanks :)
[03:04] <DanaG> argh, what the hell?  I middle-scroll (i.e. two-finger scroll)... and my cursor randomly teleports to the lower-right corner of the screen.
[03:06] <DanaG> OUCH!  I opened "ear candy"... and it just BLASTED me.
[03:07] <DanaG> It cranked my volume ALL THE WAY UP!
[03:07] <DanaG> and it KEEPS doing it.
[03:08] <DanaG> Okay, that app is a miserable failure.  It keeps turning my volume up.  and up.  and up.
[06:30] <FFForever> how do i turn down my screen brightness?
[06:30] <FFForever> my function + f7 does not work =(
[06:33] <msl> xset dpms force suspend   :)
[06:33] <msl> Of course, then it isn't useful... :)
[06:33] <FFForever> ...
[06:33] <FFForever> ...
[07:06] <cwillu> msl, xset dpms force off will just turn off the backlight, if you insist on giving only half-useful advice :p
[07:07] <cwillu> DanaG, complaining about earcandy taking over your volume settings is like complaining about a tiling window manager moving all of your windows around
[09:17] <zniavre> hello
[09:17] <zniavre> does the nvidia graphic driver 173.14.xx works on karmic please?
[09:26] <RichardWolfVI> zniavre: Is it in the repo?
[09:26] <zniavre> 173.14.16 yes they are, but with vbox it seems to does not work
[09:27] <RichardWolfVI> it should work
[09:27] <RichardWolfVI> ¿how so?
[09:27] <zniavre> 180 works 173 no
[09:27] <zniavre> and i can't install them with 2.6.30 kernel on jaunty so i guess there is something wrong
[09:27] <RichardWolfVI> What do you mean with that it doesn't work with vbox
[09:28] <zniavre> it 's possible to install them
[09:28] <zniavre> 180 at least
[09:28] <zniavre> 173 make an error about nvidia.ko
[09:29] <RichardWolfVI> Explain better, please
[09:29] <RichardWolfVI> what it as to do with vbox?
[09:29] <zniavre> sorry im french english is a bit difficult for me
[09:30] <tgpraveen> maybe there is a ubuntu-fr
[09:30] <zniavre> im asking here for karmic
[09:30] <RichardWolfVI> well, explain step by step what are you trying to do
[09:31] <zniavre> 173 failed to install on karmic (vbox) but 180 can
[09:32] <zniavre> 173 failed to install on jaunty 2.6.30 kernel
[09:32] <zniavre> i was wondering if 173 are ready yet to be installed on 2.6.30
[09:32] <zniavre> this is understandable ?
[09:33] <RichardWolfVI> I thought that one should stick to the vbox driver in vbox
[09:33] <zniavre> vbox is not the worry i do not want to use those driver but just checking if they can be installed
[09:34] <zniavre> vbox can't use them by the way
[09:34] <RichardWolfVI> you just can't use other video drivers in the VM
[09:35] <RichardWolfVI> you're virtualizing your graphics card
[09:35] <zniavre> No
[09:36] <zniavre> sorry i guess im unable to be clear you still stuck on vbox
[09:37] <RichardWolfVI> you must use the vbox video driver, other drivers are not well suited
[09:37] <zniavre> :o(
[09:39] <zniavre> well why 180 can install without error when 173 failed  ? (i still instist i do not want to use those drivers on vbox but just try the instalation process)
[09:41] <RichardWolfVI> zniavre: Maybe they have simplier means for a VESA fallback
[09:42] <zniavre> RichardWolfVI,  do you hav nvidia legacy graphic card who can only use this driver (173) ?
[09:43] <RichardWolfVI> zniavre: No
[09:43] <zniavre> ok
[09:43] <RichardWolfVI> what's the output of glxinfo under the 180 driver?
[09:44] <zniavre> but i do not use his driver anyway !
[09:44] <zniavre> i can't
[09:44] <zniavre> i just want to install it
[09:45] <zniavre> 173 in fact
[09:46] <RichardWolfVI> you say the 180 driver works
[09:47] <RichardWolfVI> I want to know what's the glxinfo output under it
[09:48] <zniavre> sorry for my english > i said works but the good sentence must be > 180 can be installed
[09:50] <zniavre> i never started those driver i m quite  sure it's impossible
[09:50] <RichardWolfVI> So just stick to the vbox driver
[09:50]  * zniavre is crying
[09:50] <RichardWolfVI> the nvidia drivers won't work
[09:51] <zniavre> I know this !!!
[09:51] <RichardWolfVI> because under vbox, the video device is a virtual one
[09:51] <zniavre> i do not want to use them
[09:51] <RichardWolfVI> not the one you actually have
[09:52] <zniavre> you do not want to understand or im unable to be clear ?
[09:52] <zniavre> i just want to check the installation process
[09:52] <zniavre> i do not want to use them
[09:53] <RichardWolfVI> zniavre: You want to intall divers that won't work, that's what I understand
[09:53] <zniavre> yes !!!
[09:53] <zniavre> :o)
[09:53] <RichardWolfVI> They won't work, period.
[09:54] <zniavre> :o(
[09:54] <zniavre> i DO NOT want to use it
[09:54] <zniavre> anyway sorry to disturb
[09:55] <zniavre> i will come back later
[09:55] <zniavre> thank you RichardWolfVI
[10:50] <exco> is there a known problem with Atom 330 boards (after some seconds the system freezes)
[11:54] <m_tadeu> hi everyone....
[11:55] <m_tadeu> i'm unable to regulate the screen brightness with the keyboard, but using the power manager software works fine
[12:05] <cwillu> m_tadeu, check the release notes, there was something relevant to that I believe
[12:11] <m_tadeu> as I see, I should install devicekit-power, right?
[12:29] <coz_> in the last few versions  ... i use scsi drivers... booting always fell back to initramfs   where I had to type exit and then edit /boot/grup/menu.lst and insert  rootdelay=40   is this going to be fixed in karmic?
[12:32] <kklimonda> coz_: have you reported it or Do you have a bug number?
[12:32] <coz_> kklimonda,  well I have reported this for that last three versions of ubuntu   but I guess I can do it this time if I try karmic   .. I havent installed it yet  and wanted to know if this was fixed or going to be
[12:36] <kklimonda> coz_: It would be easier to just follow bug, if someone is working on that there will be a comment.
[12:36] <coz_> kklimonda,  ok thanks
[12:40] <m_tadeu> is the devicekit-power configurable in any way?
[14:01] <tgpraveen> does anybody know if the proprietary nvidia drivers support kms or not?
[14:02] <tgpraveen> because for 2.6.31 kernel intel and ati do support it and novoeu nvidia will not support till 2.6.32 or 33
[14:02] <tgpraveen> so does the propreitary one support it or will nvidia users like me suffer in karmic with poor performance?
[14:17] <BluesKaj> hiyas all
[16:05] <yoasif> anyone having trouble connecting to gtalk on empathy?
[16:21] <robin0800> yoasif, empathy has just been updated
[16:38] <yoasif> robin0800, will try the update
[17:01] <Kuaera> All of KDE4's settings were lost with the latest Qt updates in Koala, and refuse to be reset. I do note that I have a ~/.kde directory and no ~/.kde4, so I presume the fix for this is easy, but I wanted to make others aware of this problem if it appears.
[17:26] <dupondje> Is there any ETA on when new Nvidia drivers get into Karmic ? ;)
[17:28] <tgpraveen> dupondje: would they support KMS?
[17:29] <dupondje> KMS ?
[17:29] <PolitikerALT> =Kernel mode setting, AFIK
[17:33] <billybigrigger> which new drivers?
[17:38] <kklimonda> tgpraveen: closed drivers won't support KMS
[17:38] <kklimonda> at least last time I've checked developers said that they won't support it
[17:42] <dupondje> billybigrigger: http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_amd64_185.18.14.html
[17:42] <dupondje> those ?
[17:44] <billybigrigger> holy man, im out to lunch
[17:44] <billybigrigger> whats the latest in the repos?
[17:44] <billybigrigger> im running 180.60
[17:44] <tgpraveen> kklimonda: then what happens to users like me on nvidia card on karmic?
[17:45] <tgpraveen> coz novuoe won't have KMS by time of karmic
[17:45] <tgpraveen> so I will have a bad experience on karmic?
[17:45] <tgpraveen> :-(
[17:45] <tgpraveen> like this time intel users had?
[17:45] <billybigrigger> i don't know
[17:45] <billybigrigger> im so far behind on graphics drivers
[17:45] <kklimonda> tgpraveen: no - it will be the same as now
[17:46] <tgpraveen> kklimonda: but that measn I won't be able to have things like fast boot, nice suspend resume etc?
[17:46] <kklimonda> well, you will have fast boot as it's not really dependent on kms afaik.
[17:47] <kklimonda> but yes, your screen will flicker because of mode change when you suspend/resume
[17:47] <kklimonda> etc.
[17:51] <tgpraveen> hmmm... well if it aint gonna be degrade from jaunty then I will be happy as in karmic +1 we will have kms support in the oss driver
[18:02] <maxb> Does anyone have any nice way to run without the ubuntu-desktop metapackage, and not have update-manager "helpfully" reinstall it when you upgrade?
[18:03] <billybigrigger> empathy is going to replace pidgin in karmic correct?
[18:03] <maxb> Indeed, my question was precipitated by and upgrade attempting to install empathy :-)
[18:03] <billybigrigger> so maybe the dev's should look at making empathy play nice with the notification applet, like pidgin
[18:04] <billybigrigger> maxb::: it forced empathy on you?
[18:04] <billybigrigger> i thought it wouldn't be forced on upgrades, just new users/installs
[18:04] <maxb> It's installed, yes, but but pidgin isn't removed
[18:05] <billybigrigger> no, of course
[18:05] <billybigrigger> and that was just through updates?
[18:05] <maxb> yes
[18:05] <billybigrigger> odd
[18:05] <maxb> Not really
[18:05] <billybigrigger> why?
[18:06] <billybigrigger> you don't find it odd that a package is installed without you asking for it in UPDATES?
[18:06] <billybigrigger> unless something you have depends on it, which i doubt
[18:06] <maxb> ubuntu-desktop depends on it
[18:06] <billybigrigger> oooohh
[18:06] <billybigrigger> :D
[18:07] <billybigrigger> hmmm...i must be getting my info wrong then, i read somewhere that it wouldn't be installed on upgrades, just new installs
[18:12] <maxb> Oh, actually ubuntu-desktop only Recommends it, not Depends, which is good
[18:20] <elupus> is it possible to restore mbr grub to grub legacy from the karmic cd?
[18:21] <elupus> I accidentially missed the advanced button in karmic installer (which is very badly placed on the screen where you review your install settings) to change where to install grub
[18:22] <yoasif> ubuntu is going to become a hotbed of empathy issues soon
[18:22] <yoasif> if you guys start using it anyway
[18:23] <elupus> my other partition contains my boot dir, so i really only need to get grub legacy onto the mbr and point it there again
[18:25] <billybigrigger> elupus::: you want to go back to grub legacy?
[18:25] <elupus> yup
[18:25] <billybigrigger> you can do it from jaunty livecd
[18:25] <billybigrigger> but why don't you test grub 2?
[18:26] <elupus> was hoping i wouldn't have to download that..
[18:26] <billybigrigger> what's wrong with grub 2?
[18:26] <elupus> well mainly cause of the mentions about dual boot problems with grub 2 in alpha 2
[18:26] <elupus> and that it fubared the install
[18:27] <elupus> so I ended up with grub2 only pointing to the broken karmic install
[18:27] <billybigrigger> and you tried to re-install grub 2? or just giving up?
[18:27] <elupus> i really just want grub2 on the karmic partition then i'll chainload that from grub legacy
[18:27] <elupus> well the grub2 install seemed to work (apart from only finding the karmic install), but the karmic install failed
[18:28] <billybigrigger> so you need to re-install karmic
[18:28] <billybigrigger> not just grub
[18:29] <elupus> well karmic wasn't as important to get going compared to booting my old partition.
[18:29] <elupus> retrying as we speak with an updated livecd
[18:29] <elupus> lets see if it works better
[18:29] <billybigrigger> elupus::: your booting a livecd?
[18:29] <billybigrigger> want to help me out?
[18:30] <billybigrigger> im working on a grub 2 wiki entry
[18:30] <billybigrigger> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2#Recover%20Grub%202%20via%20LiveCD
[18:30] <elupus> it's running the install now thou.. kinda don't want to touch it :)
[18:30] <billybigrigger> would you mind following those directions and tell me how it works out? :P
[18:31] <elupus> on a sidenote.. disabling screensaver while running a system install seem like it could be a good idea
[18:31] <elupus> it's really scary when screen goes black :)
[18:33] <billybigrigger> there seems to be a fix out for dual-boot and grub 2
[18:34] <billybigrigger> err not a fix, a workaround
[18:35] <elupus> okey, this updated livecd worked abit.. then kernel panic.. sigh
[18:35] <elupus> still the grub2 screen did show an entry for my old install
[18:37] <elupus> sweet next reboot i'm getting to login screen
[18:37] <billybigrigger> how did you re-install grub? jaunty livecd?
[18:38] <elupus> didn't
[18:38] <billybigrigger> you re-installed karmic?
[18:38] <elupus> I booted livecd, ran apt-get upgrade to get all new packages
[18:38] <billybigrigger> ahhh
[18:39] <elupus> held back tztime (or similar) since that failed to upgrade
[18:39] <elupus> restarted install
[18:39] <elupus> so my install was done with fresh packages
[18:39] <elupus> if grub2 manages to boot my old system i might not need to reinstall old grub
[18:41] <billybigrigger> but it doesn't pick up your new karmic install?
[18:43] <yoasif> anyone know how to use adium message styles in empathy?
[18:43] <tgpraveen> yoasif: using 2.27.3?
[18:44] <yoasif> tgpraveen, .2
[18:44] <elupus> billybigrigger, it did.. so its running now
[18:44] <tgpraveen> only .3+ supports it
[18:44] <elupus> will test if boots my old install too in a bit
[18:44] <tgpraveen> wait for a few days
[18:44] <elupus> just need to get sshd setup on karmic first
[18:44] <yoasif> tgpraveen, bah... is it coming to the karmic repos soon?
[18:45] <tgpraveen> not soon few days
[18:45] <tgpraveen> but there is a possiblitity it might come in 2 days
[18:45] <yoasif> tgpraveen, any way to get it now? :)
[18:45] <tgpraveen> but then it won't have libchamplin
[18:46] <tgpraveen> yoasif: compile it
[18:46] <tgpraveen> yourself ;-)
[18:46] <yoasif> tgpraveen, but then i have to deal with upstream for bug reports :P
[18:47] <elupus> crud.. karmic hasn't solved glx incompatibility with older glx servers
[18:47] <tgpraveen> yoasif: yeah. imho projects like telepathy should be dealt upstream only for bugreports
[18:47] <tgpraveen> doing it on lp just increases a lot of useless work forwarding the report to upstream by somebody else
[18:47] <yoasif> tgpraveen, heh... karmic's telepathy seems messed up for me for gtalk
[18:48] <yoasif> tgpraveen, i get so many conflicting reports on whether to report to lp or upstream... it's hilarious
[18:49] <tgpraveen> yoasif: you are using development versions so you should expect problems .3 does solve a lot of probs though
[18:50] <yoasif> tgpraveen, yeah... i don't really understand ubuntu's development model though -- are we supposed to be testing software that is known to be broken? because if so, the response to bug reports on lp kinda sucks :(
[18:51] <kklimonda> tgpraveen: it didn't work in 2.26.x for me too :/
[18:51] <tgpraveen> well this is for people who wanbt bleeding edge software with many new features so need testing for bugs
[18:51] <kklimonda> yoasif: submit bugs in applications to upstream developers
[18:51] <tgpraveen> kklimonda: what specifically didn't work
[18:52] <yoasif> hehe... except that empathy loses features :P
[18:52] <yoasif> vs pidgin anyway
[18:52] <tgpraveen> yoasif: yeah and if you can't pin to a specific app or the app is from ubuntu then file on lp
[18:53] <kklimonda> tgpraveen: hmm... we just couldn't hear each other.. only half a second of voice went though every few seconds..
[18:53] <tgpraveen> yoasif: both have some pros and cons.and mainly telepathy is in freedesktop and gnome lets not go into that.
[18:54] <kklimonda> yoasif: still it's better to report bugs upstream. we (the bug squad) just don't have resources to forward them all ourselves.
[18:54] <yoasif> tgpraveen, yeah -- i don't have an issue with the philosophy, just the timing... it would suck if empathy isn't "all that" and then ships
[18:54] <kklimonda> yoasif: faster it becomes default faster they will fix bugs.
[18:54] <kklimonda> yoasif: fwiw I prefer getting empathy as default into karmic and not leaving it for lts..
[18:54] <tgpraveen> kklimonda: don't know there were many such bugs which caused similar things which were fixed and it was a little buggy hopefully it would be stable in .28
[18:55] <kklimonda> tgpraveen: i hope so - it would be great if voip worked..
[18:55] <kklimonda> (voip in jabber, I haven't tested sip yet ;) )
[18:55] <yoasif> kklimonda, guess i have to go and file some stuff upstream -- but then there are groups in MOTU that do nothing about packaging bugs... for weeks now
[18:56] <kklimonda> yoasif: you want to hear an ugly truth about community projects?
[18:56] <yoasif> sure
[18:56] <kklimonda> yoasif: if it doesn't work and no one seem to have time to fix it just do it yourself..
[18:57] <yoasif> yeah... except the whole thing about having to become a developer and all that... it takes time, heh :/ i can work around most issues, i'm more concerned about newbies etc
[18:58] <kklimonda> yoasif: you can send a fix and ask motu to sponsor it
[18:58] <yoasif> yeah i tried that for a zsnes packaging issue, i guess it wasn't as neat as they wanted, and the packaging documentation is outdated in places
[19:00] <yoasif> it's pretty funny -- some packages have a lot of support -- and others are /dead/
[19:01] <yoasif> also, about submitting bugs upstream -- what's the best way to keep from wasting their time -- like once, I had an ubuntu dev forward me to upstream, and upstream came back and said it was ubuntu's bug (as i suspected) -- do i just have to compile packages on my own to test before going upstream?
[19:51] <BUGabundo> boas noites
[19:54] <charlie-tca> Good Afternoon, BUGabundo
[19:55] <BUGabundo> hey charlie-tca
[19:55] <BUGabundo> brb. dinner
[20:15] <elupus> how do one change what the default boot item is with grub2?
[20:18] <BUGabundo> elupus: no idea! its too new
[20:19] <BUGabundo> but look in /etc/defaults/grub2
[20:19] <elupus> yup there is something like GRUB_DEFAULT=0
[20:19] <elupus> the question is.. how do i know what to set it to,
[20:21] <BUGabundo> ohhh new bug!
[20:21] <BUGabundo> enable multimonitor
[20:21] <BUGabundo> using nvidia in my case
[20:22] <BUGabundo> turn of the LCD
[20:22] <BUGabundo> *off
[20:22] <BUGabundo> turn it on again, try to drag something to the 2nd monitor: FAIL
[20:22] <BUGabundo> elupus: still not much info on it. I hope we get a good MAN soon
[20:26] <elupus> calling update-grub twice wasn't a good idea
[20:29] <BUGabundo> ahhah
[20:30] <billybigrigger> elupus::: edit your /etc/default/grub file
[20:30] <billybigrigger> GRUB_DEFAULT=0
[20:30] <billybigrigger> 0 1 2 3 4 for what ever menu entry you want to be default
[20:30] <elupus> problem was to know what those entries meant
[20:31] <billybigrigger> how ever they are listed is 0 1 2 3 4
[20:31] <elupus> well that would have required me to reboot
[20:31] <elupus> didn't have any menu file
[20:31] <elupus> after a update-grub i atleast got one
[20:32] <elupus> still, that will break when ubuntu adds new kernels.. oh well i will live with that
[20:36] <billybigrigger> yup
[20:36] <billybigrigger> if menu entries are addedd/removed there will be breakage
[20:36] <billybigrigger> just need to remember from top to bottom, 0 1 2 3 4
[20:37] <billybigrigger> and edit accordingly if it does break
[20:45] <DanaG> argh, for some reason, trying to use i915 KMS results in "cannot display this video mode" on the monitor.
[20:46] <DanaG> .... and then, once xorg starts, it goes into powersave mode.
[20:49] <DanaG> gnargh, i915 KMS sets the wrong mode for the monitor.
[20:53] <DanaG> hmm, how do I get it not to set the wrong resolution?
[20:53] <BUGabundo> DanaG: I never hear anyone having so many troubles as you, in this #
[20:53] <BUGabundo> eheh
[20:53] <BUGabundo> DanaG: in the past you would set it on xorg
[20:54] <BUGabundo> but now we don't use it!
[20:54] <BUGabundo> try the Resolution app
[20:59] <DanaG> well, I can't do that when the screen is OFF and I'm blind.  =P
[20:59] <DanaG> Conversation from earlier:
[21:00] <dupondje> mmm, nouveau drivers seems quite nice :)
[21:00] <DanaG>  argh, for some reason, trying to use i915 KMS results in "cannot display this video mode" on the monitor. .... and then, once xorg starts, it goes into powersave mode.
[21:01] <BUGabundo> DanaG: that's not good
[21:01] <dupondje> I have an annoying problem with aptitude, it suddenly stops outputting when downloading packages, and when download is done, it starts outputting again
[21:02] <dupondje> somebody else with this problem ?
[21:02] <DanaG> Gives a whole lot of "unable to read EDID block"
[21:04] <BUGabundo> dupondje: let me test
[21:05] <BUGabundo> dupondje: http://paste.ubuntu.com/197950/
[21:07] <dupondje> BUGabundo: but no downloads ... :D
[21:07] <billybigrigger> sudo aptitude safe-upgrade works fine here
[21:07] <billybigrigger> 73% [5 linux-image-2.6.30-9-generic 26351078/27.2MB 96%]                                                                            751kB/s 17s
[21:08] <dupondje> well here it outputs also
[21:08] <dupondje> but suddenly stops :s
[21:08] <dupondje> Haal:3 http://archive.ubuntu.com karmic/main libqt4-designer 4.5.1-1ubuntu6 [1794kB]
[21:08] <dupondje> 30% [3 libqt4-designer 1676959/1794kB 93%]                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       438kB/s 14s(Database inlezen ... 153151 bestanden en mappen geïnstalleerd.)
[21:09] <billybigrigger> business as usual here
[21:10] <dupondje> weird :s
[21:10] <dupondje> having this issue some weeks now :s
[21:10] <BUGabundo> so its prob on your side only
[21:10] <BUGabundo> maybe a proxy on the ISP
[21:10] <BUGabundo> or aptitude conf?
[21:11] <dupondje> what the hell could cause it to just stop outputting @ some point :s
[21:11] <dupondje> its not like its an configuration setting ? ;)
[21:16] <DanaG> hmm, any ideas how to fix my KMS?
[21:18] <BUGabundo> none, to both of you
[21:26] <FFForever> Is there any reason why my built-in media card reader is not working?
[21:40] <DanaG> also, any time I stop typing for a while, it loses the next keystroke.
[21:54] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo::: wanna take a quick look at my grub 2 wiki entry? give me some feedback?
[21:54] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo::: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2
[21:56]  * BUGabundo looking
[21:56] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: but the best person for it would be colin (on #ubuntu-devel)
[21:57] <yoasif> BUGabundo, do you write code?
[21:57] <BUGabundo> yoasif: not even my name
[21:57] <yoasif> do you use gwibber?
[21:58] <BUGabundo> yes
[22:03] <DanaG> hat keyboard lag is really annoying.
[22:03] <DanaG> It loses keystrokes.
[22:04] <BUGabundo> DanaG: its worse when Firefox stops accepting keyb input :(
[22:21] <DanaG> amnit, that keyboard screwup is really annoying.
[22:27] <DanaG> It's particularly bad in OpenOffice... if you stop typing for so much as 5 seconds, then the next time you press and hold a key, it takes a full half-second or quarter-second (I think) to recognize it.
[22:30] <DanaG> ugh, and starting compiz on intel segfaults Xorg, or so it seems.
[22:31] <DanaG> or rather, starting fusion-icon segfaults it.... starting compiz manually gives me a non-updating desktop.
[22:32] <DanaG> oh, and interestingly enough, triggering "benchmark" fixes it.
[22:34] <DanaG> ugh, dontzap is false... and yet I still can't Zap xorg.
[22:34] <DanaG> damnit.
[22:34] <billybigrigger> errr
[22:34] <billybigrigger> they changed that
[22:34] <billybigrigger> dontzap doesn't matter anymore
[22:34] <billybigrigger> xorg dev's disabled it
[22:35] <DanaG> Really annoying.  What are you supposed to do know?  SAK is not an option... things like fglrx and nvidia break badly if you SAK them.
[22:35] <billybigrigger> check your xorg.conf
[22:35] <billybigrigger> Option "XkbOptions" "terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp"
[22:35] <billybigrigger> is that there? cause that's the option now
[22:35] <billybigrigger> if not add it
[22:36] <DanaG> or add it to console-setup?
[22:36] <billybigrigger> xorg.conf
[22:36] <billybigrigger> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1174240
[22:36] <dupondje> nouveau seems quite nice :)
[22:37] <billybigrigger> DanaG::: mind you, reading a bit more of that post, seems like thats for arch
[22:37] <billybigrigger> Apparently, the latest xorg-server package 1.6.1.901-1 on arch disables Ctrl-Alt-Bksp on user systems even if the "DontZap" flag is set to "False" in their xorg.conf.
[22:37] <DanaG> That's really rather rude.  =P
[22:38] <billybigrigger> xserver-xorg:
[22:38] <billybigrigger>   Installed: 1:7.4~5ubuntu21
[22:38] <billybigrigger> so yes, we're all affected by it
[22:39] <DanaG> ah, setting it in Gnome fixed it.
[22:39] <billybigrigger> not in xorg.conf?
[22:39] <DanaG> Didn't have to.
[22:40] <DanaG> oh, and I have no keyboard settings in xorg.conf; I instead let it take them from console-setup.
[22:40] <DanaG> okay, now to fix the  non-updating windows....
[22:40] <DanaG> how?
[22:40] <billybigrigger> /etc/default/console-setup
[22:40] <billybigrigger> ?
[22:41] <billybigrigger> ahh nvm i see it
[22:41] <billybigrigger> XKBOPTIONS=""
[22:42] <billybigrigger> dunno
[22:43] <billybigrigger> whats wrong with your windows...
[22:43] <billybigrigger> compiz problem?
[22:43] <DanaG> yeah... they don't update.
[22:44] <DanaG> It stops drawing, and leaves behind one frame of whatever the screen last looked like.
[22:44] <billybigrigger> hmm can't help i don't use compiz
[22:44] <DanaG> It takes a viewport-rotate to fix it.... for one frame.
[22:44] <DanaG> And then it stops again.
[22:47] <DanaG> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1154769
[22:48] <DanaG> interesting.
[22:48] <billybigrigger> read that this morning too
[22:48] <DanaG> If empathy would use the same log format as pidgin does... then I'd use it.
[22:48] <billybigrigger> sucks, i installed empathy expecting a viable pidgin replacement
[22:48] <DanaG> I use pidgin because I use one logs dir for both Windows and Linux.
[22:48] <billybigrigger> empathy sucks
[22:48] <DanaG> s/use/consider possibly using/
[22:49] <billybigrigger> empathy doesn't even play nice with libnotify which i was pissed about
[22:49] <billybigrigger> whats the point of implementing these new notifcations in 9.04 and then defaulting to programs that don't support it?
[22:49] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/notify-osd/+bug/334809
[22:52] <billybigrigger> :(
[22:52] <billybigrigger> what a mess
[22:55] <DanaG> yeahzzz.
[22:56] <billybigrigger> i figured if empathy IS definitely replacing it though, might as well start testing it
[23:09] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo::: did ya get a chance to read that wiki page? can you give me and quick feedback or am i on the right track with it?
[23:09] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: its open... among the other 80
[23:09] <billybigrigger> muahaha your bloody hardcore
[23:10] <billybigrigger> your talking firefox tabs?
[23:10] <billybigrigger> ~20 is my max :P
[23:10] <BUGabundo> let me sent it to the 2nd monitor
[23:29] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo::: is his nick colin?
[23:30] <BUGabundo> think so