[08:57] <ttx> Hey guys, I have an armel build failure at: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wesnoth/1:1.6.2-1ubuntu1/+build/1079861
[08:57] <ttx> Boils down to "configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables"
[08:57] <ttx> Any hint on how I could debug that ?
[08:57] <kblin> no c compiler installed?
[08:58] <ttx> kblin: that's on an armel buildd so I suppose there is build-essential installed :)
[08:58] <persia> Maybe related to the recent binutils upload?  I heard a rumour that there were increased build failures on all non-x86 hardware.
[08:58] <kblin> good point, I see the line where gcc 4 is installed
[08:59] <kblin> doesn't the ubuntu build system do something like "cat config.log" if configure fails?
[08:59] <ttx> kblin: unfortunately, not :)
[08:59] <persia> Adding cat config.log would be something someone could do in debian/rules to debug something.
[08:59] <kblin> because that's where I'd start
[09:00] <ttx> persia/kblin: I'll see if the rumour confirms itself and if not, do some debian/rules instrumentation in my PPA
[09:00] <ttx> thanks
[09:01] <persia> ttx, If your PPA has non-x86 :)
[09:01] <persia> Otherwise, I'd recommend looking for some hardware or virtualisation environment.
[09:01] <kblin> qemu-arm works ok..
[09:01] <persia> (it shouldn't take that long to get to ./configure, even in low memory-limited qemu-system-arm)
[09:01] <ttx> ok, I'll look into that.
[09:02] <kblin> if you get past the random installer hangs
[09:02] <kblin> though I didn't try 9.10 there
[09:04] <ttx> looking at the buildd logs at https://launchpad.net/builders/nageia/+history it might just make sense to retry the build.
[09:05] <ttx> all builds are currently failing
[09:05] <kblin> ouch
[09:06] <kblin> I agree, given that all of those fail a couple of minutes into the build, with configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables :)
[12:13] <lool> ogra: build-arm-rootfs is a huge success; I keep reading about it in various places; I wish it would become a real project though: source code control, new features, bug reports and the like
[12:14] <ogra> its in the works
[12:14] <lool> ogra: Could you make that happen?  I'm happy to contribute if it's in some shared place
[12:14] <ogra> i'm currently pondering how to integrate oem-config properly
[12:14] <ogra> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/mobile-arm-karmic-offline-installer-gui :)
[12:15] <ogra> i want to get over the script in the qemu instance and use proper tools ...
[12:15] <ogra> i'll put a branch up today
[12:15] <ogra> and prepare a package before end of the week
[12:19] <lool> Ok, cool
[12:21] <lool> ogra: e.g. 53052.124.124.219.226.1245156274.squirrel@iwavesystems.com
[12:22] <lool> ogra: With time, I'm starting to think we could use an ubuntu-arm@ ML, and perhaps a LP team
[12:22] <lool> We have a release out of the door, will support more SoCs and get more enthusiasts over time which use Ubuntu as a base
[12:23] <ogra> yeah, fully agreed
[12:24] <ogra> i'm getting chased down by a guy on ubuntu-users@ about his arm probs since weeks, he alone would have filled such a list since UDS :)
[12:33] <ogra> lool, there you go https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-arm-roofs-builder ... i'll create a maintainer team (or hand it to a newly created LP ubuntu-arm team) later
[12:34] <ogra> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-arm-roofs-builder/trunk will have it with the next publisher run (i already pushed)
[12:35] <lool> ogra: Hmm consider naming things without ARM
[12:35]  * ogra sees lool answered savita on ubuntu-devel ... 
[12:36] <lool> ogra: only to one of the two questions
[12:36] <ogra> he is the guy i try to educate on ubuntu-users i mentioned above
[12:36] <ogra> yes, i answered all of his questions several times already
[12:36] <ogra> he asks them over and over and doesnt understand
[12:36] <lool> That sucks
[12:37] <ogra> yeah
[12:37] <ogra> well, thats the nature of ubuntu-users@ .... i asked him several times to come here, but he didnt find his way yet
[12:38] <ogra> in a one to one IRC conversation i'm sure he would get his imx31 system up and running fast
[12:38] <lool> ogra: Back to ubuntu-arm-roofs-builder, I think the approach would work very well with other use cases such as mips or even i386, so it would be nice to not use arm in the name :)
[12:38]  * lool lunch &
[12:38] <ogra> well, its initially written for armel only :)
[12:39] <ogra> i can rename it if qemu grows support for other arches we support with it
[12:41] <ogra> (usb-imagewriter supports SD cards too, but i wouldnt rename it to be just imagewriter (to generic) or usb-and-sd-imagewriter (to long)) :)
[12:53] <playya> sometimes its better to post in on a ML. then the recipient can read it again and again
[12:56] <lool> ogra: qemu-system-<tab>  :)
[12:57] <lool> ogra: The thing is that it's going to be hard to rename later when it's referenced, and it's not hard to make it generic
[13:25] <ogra> lool, any suggestions ?
[13:26] <ogra> playya, well, he asks the same question within five mails he sends within 15min at that speed IRC is more convenient
[13:31] <ogra> grmbl, indeed you can change everything but the url of the LP project
[13:32] <lool> ogra: Well rootfs-builder, or some cool project name
[13:33] <lool> argo!
[13:33] <ogra> so should i register a new project ?
[13:33] <lool> ogra: I think you can rename it
[13:33] <ogra> argo?
[13:33] <ogra> i can rename everything but the initial url i picked
[13:33] <playya> assisted rootfs gold obtainer
[13:33] <lool> ogra: Yeah, just a code name, and as you started it, agro sounded good  :)
[13:34] <ogra> heh
[13:34] <playya> can some of you poke the bzr guys to implement git import, please.
[13:35] <ogra> pfft git
[13:35] <lool> Another Rootfs Growing Oddball
[13:35] <lool> playya: That's done?
[13:35] <ogra> lool, i can change everything in the details page, but not the project url, so i need to create a new one or leave the url but change the rest
[13:36] <lool> ogra: Really?
[13:36] <ogra> yeah
[13:36] <playya> lool, i can't pull git sources into LP
[13:36] <ogra> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-arm-roofs-builder/+edit doesnt offer to change "ubuntu-arm-roofs-builder"
[13:37] <playya> and i want to have several projects. not only branches *hides*
[13:37] <ogra> playya, no, you need to convert the git tree to something sane (i.e. bzr) and then you can push
[13:37] <lool> playya: I think you can now
[13:37] <lool> ogra: I think it's a separate action, like rename project
[13:38] <lool> ogra: Otherwise, you can simply file a question to ask for the change
[13:38] <playya> ok. I'll test it when i finished the debian dirs for the core stuff
[13:38] <lool> https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/8299 example
[13:38]  * ogra checks
[13:39] <lool> Crap, I can't easily find a project I own
[13:42] <lool> Ulteo PC Virtualization Seminars: ?550 for the whole day
[13:42] <lool> 550 EUR!
[13:42] <ogra> fun
[13:46] <ogra> how about "jarb"
[13:46] <ogra> (just a rootfs builder" :)
[13:48] <playya> or just another ...
[13:49] <ogra> jaurb probably, since its written for ubuntu only (yet)
[13:49] <lool> ogra: Well argo had the advantage of being ogra in reverse  ;-)
[13:50] <ogra> yeah, but no meaning at all :)
[13:50] <lool> I like jarb
[13:50] <playya> is anyone working on a graphical image builder?
[13:50] <lool> Simple, short, to the point, catchy
[13:50] <ogra> jarb is an abbreviation :)
[13:50] <lool> I hope it's not an insult in some language
[13:50] <ogra> playya, i am :) https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/mobile-arm-karmic-offline-installer-gui
[13:50] <lool> playya: See, that's the kind of things we could do if we had some common project
[13:51] <lool> I personally thought it would rock to have it in python, or integrated in uvb, but this is all rather futuristic  ;)
[13:51] <ogra> yeah, and really a lot crappy overhead
[13:52] <playya> vala vala vala
[13:52] <ogra> i want a gui to select the options and then it should launch oem-config from inside qemu
[13:52] <ogra> and i dont want to rewrite it in python :)
[13:54]  * ogra considers calling it kxvlpm03582 ... thats surely not an insult in any language :)
[13:55] <ogra> and as good to pronounce as the renamed screen-profile project :)
[13:58] <ogra> which gets me an idea ... persia any nice japanese suggestion for naming ubuntu-arm-roofs-builder ?
[13:59] <ogra> (japanese seems to be the current hype)
[14:00] <playya> call it anata wa rootf builder
[14:00] <playya> if i remember my japanese course correctly
[14:00] <ogra> awrb ?
[14:02] <dpb> awrb sounds like something written in ruby
[14:02] <ogra> awrb.sh :)
[14:03] <lool> argh no, not .sh!
[14:06] <ogra> argh ... "arm rootfs generation helper"
[14:07] <ogra> ;)
[14:07] <ogra> or s/arm/another/ ... as you like
[15:05] <persia> ogra, 根作 (but I'm not sure how to pronounce it)
[15:06] <ogra> is there an utf8 able equivalent i can use for LP ?
[15:06]  * persia tries a couple things
[15:07] <persia> nesaku probably isn't horridly wrong.
[15:08] <ogra> sounds good
[15:08] <ogra> what does it mean exactly ?
[15:08] <persia> Meaning is roughly "The harvesting of the source/basis" or "root build"
[15:08] <ogra> perfect
[15:08] <ogra> lool, ^^^^^
[15:09] <persia> Copy it to http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~jwb/cgi-bin/wwwjdic.cgi?1B for a closer gloss.
[15:09] <persia> it's not a normal compound, just one I cobbled up (so not an actual Japanese word or anything)
[15:19] <persia> ogra, Do let me know if you're seriously considering it: I'll ask in #ubuntu-jp
[15:20] <ogra> well, sounds better than all former suggestions yet
[15:20] <ogra> lool seems asleep though ... or has no opinion ...
[15:20] <persia> asleep at this hour?
[15:20] <ogra> heh
[15:57] <lool> a) I'm not asleep, just deep in a context and avoiding switches  :-)   b) I'm getting a headache  c) I disable beeping anyway!
[15:58] <lool> ogra: A non-feature-bound term is fine by me!
[15:58] <ogra> so lets go with "nesaku"
[15:59] <lool> As long as you don't name the project ogra's-arm-and-ubuntu-only-shell-rootfs-tarball-builder, it's going to work
[15:59] <ogra> nah, that would be to short
[15:59] <ogra> but probably nesaku.sh ?
[15:59]  * ogra hides
[16:01] <lool> Nice try
[16:01] <ogra> :)
[16:12] <persia> ogra, Let me see if anyone in jp is still awake, to avoid making a silly mistake.
[16:40] <persia> ogra, #ubuntu-jp folk say not to use that name.  It creates a reminder of farmers in olden times.  I have no good suggestions.
[16:41] <lool> ogra: nesaku-(not-the-old-farmers)
[16:41] <persia> heh.  No.
[16:41] <ogra> heh