[18:02] <thorwil> arg.
[18:02] <thorwil> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Karmic/Earthubuntu
[18:08] <kwwii> oh my
[18:08] <kwwii> Linux for Hummans
[18:11] <thorwil> kwwii: i bet the earth parts are from an image with non-permissive/no license
[18:12] <kwwii> thorwil: lol, yeah
[18:13] <thorwil> kwwii: let me add a comment to that effect on that page. now that i fought my urge to simply delete that page
[18:14] <kwwii> hehe, go ahead
[18:14] <thorwil> kwwii: which reminds me, i told the author of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Karmic/UbuntuLogoCurved that that is going nowhere and that he should remove it
[18:15] <thorwil> well, he didn't
[18:15] <kwwii> it is a blatant attempt at rebranding, which we don't allow anyway
[18:15] <kwwii> right, same thing
[18:15] <kwwii> essentially, people should not be changing the logo
[18:16] <kwwii> as that is breaking our trademark
[18:24] <thorwil> kwwii: logocurved deleted. added comment on earthubuntu and will give the author the chance to read it and delete the page himself before i do it
[18:26] <thorwil> i wonder if i should worry less about being seen as mean/elitist/control-freak whatever
[19:52] <kwwii> thorwil: well, to some extent we do have to watch out for that..people get their feelings hurt easily
[19:52] <kwwii> but as long as it is done correctly, and nicely, I do not see any harm in it, as it weeds out the less useful stuff
[20:05] <macvr> thorwil: regarding the earth logo ... i dont like the logo... but  wouldnt the earth part looked a tad better is it didnt have the jagged edges?
[20:06] <thorwil> macvr: sure, but why bother?
[20:06] <macvr> just out of curiosity, to know whats wrong with something... so that i dont do similar mistakes :P
[20:07] <thorwil> heh
[20:07] <macvr> BTW whre is the curved karmic logo url?
[20:07] <macvr> where^
[20:07] <thorwil> macvr: it's gone
[20:07] <macvr> already deleted?
[20:07] <thorwil> yes
[20:08] <macvr> aw... wanted to have a look at that too...  have you seen the new version of the devil smiley?
[20:09] <thorwil> macvr: if you know the url of a deleted page, you can go there. the wiki tells you the page doesn't exist, but if you click on "Info", you get the history
[20:09] <thorwil> macvr: like this one: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Karmic/UbuntuLogoCurved?action=info
[20:09] <macvr> cool... didnt know that!
[20:10] <thorwil> well, i researched that before i started deleting pages right and left ;)
[20:11] <macvr> ... man you are picky :P
[20:11] <macvr> but kinda good ...
[20:12] <thorwil> macvr, michote the gradient on the devil emotes matches that of the yellow ones really well now
[20:13] <macvr> yeah
[20:13] <thorwil> the horns look like made form a slightly different material, though
[20:13] <macvr> i like the glasses too, but maybe the mouth should be brown instead of green?
[20:13] <thorwil> the teeth on devil-sad need a little shading
[20:15] <thorwil> macvr: the mouth?
[20:16] <macvr> for the face-glasses... he has used green for the mouth... that makes the smiley kinda have a green shade... felt if it was brown, i might be better?
[20:16] <macvr> i/it/
[20:17] <thorwil> macvr: oh, yes
[20:17] <macvr> :)
[20:18] <macvr> regarding the horns... how could he improve it?... have the red shade merge with the surrounding?
[20:20] <thorwil> macvr: i though the mouth was almost-but-not-quite-black, but very neutral until you claimed it was green. but now in inkscape i see it's #24221cff
[20:20] <thorwil> not green
[20:21] <thorwil> macvr: i'd try copying the horn shape, make it a bit smaller, narrower, apply the brightest color from the face gradient and blur
[20:22] <macvr> ^ this is why i had suggested to come to the irc...
[20:23] <macvr> thorwil: only now i checked, the stroke is #082008ff , drak green... which kinda makes the whole thing feel green for me!
[20:25] <thorwil> macvr: oh, you mean the dimple. yes, has a green tendency
[20:25] <macvr> thorwil: also ... cory had asked me to make some changes with the 128 px smileys... i just seem to make them glossy... any suggestions how to make the right?
[20:26] <macvr> thorwil: not the dimple... the mouth has the green stroke with the grey fill
[20:27] <thorwil> macvr: the smilies i now see on the wiki are not glossy
[20:27] <thorwil> not even close to
[20:27] <thorwil> so i don't know what Cory wants there
[20:28] <macvr> no the ones... the adjustments i make on my system, to improve them i just tend to get glossy, away from the feel of the wiki ones
[20:28] <thorwil> macvr: you already made them. you know how to make them either way ;)
[20:29] <macvr> i believe , i was just drawing your thoughts :P
[20:30] <macvr> thorwil: http://files.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/smiley1.png ... this is the present WIP for smirk... any comments?
[20:30] <thorwil> macvr: left eyes shape is freaky
[20:31] <macvr> well for smirk... that seems to be how several smileys are done :(...
[20:32] <macvr> thorwil: this is the gnome one http://files.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/face-smirk.png
[20:33] <thorwil> macvr: try this as reference: http://www.solarnavigator.net/films_movies_actors/actors_films_images/Steve_Martin_famous_smirk.jpg
[20:33] <macvr> how do i translate that!!!! you are kidding right!
[20:34] <macvr> i think he is smiling rather than a smirk
[20:34] <thorwil> macvr: no, not really. every normal smiley has at its core a real facial expression
[20:35] <macvr> ^that is correct
[20:36] <macvr> but smirk is a smug expression... its not a friendly smile, but rather a kinda "i know it better" smile
[20:37] <macvr> thorwil: to smile in an affected, smug, or offensively familiar way <
[20:38] <macvr> steve's smile is more pleasant to me :)
[20:38] <thorwil> what can i say, it shows to be hard to find good material
[20:38] <thorwil> http://harmonscottfineart.com/files/the-smirk.jpg
[20:39] <thorwil> http://images.veer.com/IMG/TILL/CYI/CYI0300011_T.JPG
[20:39] <macvr> i think i should do as you are doing... look at more faces, rather than how previous smileys were done...
[20:40] <macvr> ^the last one was great... perfect
[20:40] <thorwil> now this is really good: http://www.haven4gamerz.com/wp-content/gallery/lucy_pinder/pinder201600x1200.jpg
[20:40] <thorwil> ooh, what was i looking for, again? ;)
[20:41] <macvr> thorwil: i'm not sure where to look :P
[20:42] <macvr> thorwil: do you have these images of facial expressions stored? or just google?
[20:43] <thorwil> macvr: google. and bing, just to see how the differ
[20:43] <thorwil> but i do have a collection of headshots
[20:43] <macvr> thorwil: i like bing a lot ... especially for images it is awesome
[20:44] <thorwil> macvr: well, the 3rd result for "smirk" contains a naked male butt ...
[20:44] <macvr> the images zoom in... so dont have to waste time clicking for the pages
[20:46] <thorwil> macvr: anyway, work with both eyes and the whole shapes, not just top part
[20:46] <macvr> i dont get no butts!... maybe the results are more in sync with previous searches ;)
[20:47] <thorwil> lol
[20:47] <macvr> thorwil: ok... i'll work on that
[20:47] <thorwil> macvr: i use the us version, because the german bing starts with less features. http://www.bing.com/?mkt=en-us
[20:49] <macvr> i use the same... but still no butts for me... i now seriously think that search plays a part....
[20:50] <macvr> if thats the web design ....cool
[20:51] <thorwil> macvr: seriously? it can't in this case. my browser erases history and cookies each time i close it and this was my first visit to bing today
[20:51] <macvr> just imagine if results were more triggered by previous searches, that the search would be so custom tuned
[20:53] <macvr> thorwil: http://files.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/Screenshot-smirk%20-%20Bing%20Images%20-%20Mozilla%20Firefox.png ... i'm serious, they may be doing it in some way!
[20:54] <thorwil> macvr: yes, there are such approaches to search. but if i would let them collect data for this, it could not lead to _male_ butts ;)
[20:55] <macvr> maybe someone is miss using your sys... :P
[20:56] <macvr> thorwil: could you post a screenshot? of your search? i'm really amazed how bing has done this...
[20:57]  * macvr needs to research more into how BING do their search
[20:58] <thorwil> let it be known that macvr explicitly asked for a screenshot containing what has been mentioned already and should not be described with any further words!
[20:58] <thorwil> http://pic.piccdrop.com/i/c/1245268655.png
[20:59] <macvr> haha
[21:01] <macvr> thorwil: " ?q=smirk&go= " this is my query all i did was enter smirk and enter... i'm not sure how "go" got in there!
[21:01] <macvr> yours is just smirk
[21:02] <thorwil> of course
[21:02] <macvr> thorwil: do you have any insite? how "go" was also in the query?
[21:03] <thorwil> macvr: i'd be suspicious of your fingers
[21:03] <macvr> thorwil:  try again ... but "go" is also one of the queries!
[21:03] <macvr> tried^
[21:06] <macvr> when i use the auto complete, "go" is not part of the query... but when i manually enter , "go" seems to be part of the query!
[21:06]  * macvr needs to look into this
[21:07] <thorwil> macvr: are you bored? ;)
[21:08] <macvr> kinda more surprised , why this occurs....
[21:12] <thorwil> http://abduzeedo.com/icons-designer-master-everaldo-coelho
[21:12] <thorwil> good night!
[22:21] <dashua__> knome: http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/16643/screenshot_QFbcr3.png
[22:21] <dashua__> Blue mod of Hanso, still in it's infancy
[22:21] <dashua__> Hacking it up