| MontelEdwards | Bodsda: i didnt know their was a mailing list. | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| MontelEdwards | where is the signup link? | 00:00 |
| Bodsda | MontelEdwards: yes there is, but lets keep that chatter to #ubuntnu-beginners please | 00:00 |
| MontelEdwards | Bodsda: agreed. | 00:00 |
| Riddell | ** Kubuntu meeting in #kubuntu-devel | 00:01 |
| MontelEdwards | Are we go for the meeting now? | 00:03 |
| Rocket2DMn | I think we're waiting for bodhizazen | 00:04 |
| MontelEdwards | Rocket2DMn: oh ok | 00:06 |
| Rocket2DMn | nhandler, let's get started | 00:09 |
| Ash_R | +1 Rocket2DMn | 00:10 |
| nhandler | #startmeeting | 00:10 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 18:10. The chair is nhandler. | 00:10 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 00:10 |
| nhandler | Ok, time for the Ubuntu Beginners Team meeting | 00:10 |
| nhandler | [TOPIC] Add ~ubuntu-beginners-council as administrator for all Ubuntu Beginners Team Launchpad teams | 00:10 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Add ~ubuntu-beginners-council as administrator for all Ubuntu Beginners Team Launchpad teams | 00:10 |
| nhandler | Discussion has already taken place on the mailing list about this topic, and it appears that a good portion of the team has no objections to this | 00:11 |
| bodhizazen | :) | 00:11 |
| jamesrfla | Welcome bodhizazen | 00:11 |
| nhandler | Hey bodhizazen, feel free to take over, I'll just send the MootBot commands :) | 00:11 |
| bodhizazen | do we have an agenda ? | 00:12 |
| Bodsda | o/ I have no objections | 00:12 |
| nhandler | Agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/Meetings | 00:12 |
| jamesrfla | bodhizazen: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/Meetings | 00:12 |
| Bodsda | bodhizazen: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/Meetings/#General%20Agenda%20Items%20and%20Proposals | 00:12 |
| nhandler | [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/Meetings | 00:12 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/Meetings | 00:12 |
| bodhizazen | got it :) | 00:13 |
| bodhizazen | I think it is a good idea nhandler | 00:13 |
| nhandler | To summarize the agenda item, by having the council as an admin, they would be able to add/remove members as well as modify various details about the team. They would not take over running the teams, this would be left to the Focus Group Leaders | 00:13 |
| Rocket2DMn | Does this apply to the umbrella team as well? | 00:14 |
| bodhizazen | I also feel we should consolidate LP wiki pages and mailing lists where at all possible | 00:14 |
| nhandler | bodhizazen: All mailing lists aside from the main team one and the council one should have been disabled | 00:15 |
| nhandler | Rocket2DMn: This would apply to all teams except ~ubuntu-beginners-council | 00:15 |
| bodhizazen | IMO it is important to be able to administrate these LP teams if an administrator goes AWOL (which has not happened recently, but is a problem when it occurs). | 00:15 |
| Rocket2DMn | do we know if the other mailing lists have been disabled? | 00:15 |
| Bodsda | the original ufbt mailing list no longer works | 00:15 |
| Rocket2DMn | thats b/c the team name changed | 00:16 |
| nhandler | Rocket2DMn: Yes. Unless they have been manually recreated, they were all deleted when the teams were renamed | 00:16 |
| Rocket2DMn | ok, thanks nhandler | 00:16 |
| bodhizazen | sweet | 00:16 |
| nhandler | Think we can vote on this issue? | 00:16 |
| bodhizazen | I do not feel our mailing list is so active that we really need more then one list at this tiem | 00:16 |
| bodhizazen | +1vote :) | 00:16 |
| Rocket2DMn | agreed bodhizazen , we discussed that a few months ago | 00:17 |
| Bodsda | +1 | 00:17 |
| nhandler | [VOTE] Add ~ubuntu-beginners-council as administrator for all Ubuntu Beginners Team Launchpad teams. | 00:17 |
| MootBot | Please vote on: Add ~ubuntu-beginners-council as administrator for all Ubuntu Beginners Team Launchpad teams.. | 00:17 |
| MootBot | Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to MootBot | 00:17 |
| MootBot | E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting | 00:17 |
| nhandler | +1 | 00:17 |
| bodhizazen | +1 | 00:17 |
| MootBot | +1 received from nhandler. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1 | 00:17 |
| MootBot | +1 received from bodhizazen. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2 | 00:17 |
| swoody | +1 | 00:17 |
| MootBot | +1 received from swoody. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3 | 00:17 |
| Ash_R | +1 | 00:17 |
| MootBot | +1 received from Ash_R. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4 | 00:17 |
| Bodsda | +1 | 00:17 |
| jgoguen | bodhizazen: +1 | 00:17 |
| MootBot | +1 received from Bodsda. 5 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 5 | 00:17 |
| MontelEdwards | +1 | 00:17 |
| MootBot | +1 received from MontelEdwards. 6 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 6 | 00:17 |
| Rocket2DMn | +1 | 00:17 |
| MootBot | +1 received from Rocket2DMn. 7 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 7 | 00:17 |
| Snova | +1 | 00:17 |
| jgoguen | +1 | 00:17 |
| MootBot | +1 received from Snova. 8 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 8 | 00:17 |
| MootBot | +1 received from jgoguen. 9 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 9 | 00:17 |
| drs305 | +1 | 00:17 |
| MootBot | +1 received from drs305. 10 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 10 | 00:17 |
| bgs100 | +1 | 00:17 |
| MootBot | +1 received from bgs100. 11 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 11 | 00:17 |
| nhandler | Any more votes? | 00:18 |
| ibuclaw | +1 | 00:18 |
| st33med | +1 | 00:18 |
| MootBot | +1 received from ibuclaw. 12 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 12 | 00:18 |
| MootBot | +1 received from st33med. 13 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 13 | 00:18 |
| bodhizazen | lol | 00:18 |
| MontelEdwards | Think that was it, lol | 00:18 |
| nhandler | #endvote | 00:18 |
| st33med | I just came in lol | 00:18 |
| st33med | I didn't know what I voted on so... I SCREWED THE VOTES, RECOUNT! | 00:19 |
| st33med | XD | 00:19 |
| nhandler | [ENDVOTE] | 00:19 |
| MootBot | Final result is 13 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 13 | 00:19 |
| Vantrax | lol | 00:19 |
| nhandler | [ACTION] nhandler to contact LP team owners to get necessary permission changes made | 00:19 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: nhandler to contact LP team owners to get necessary permission changes made | 00:19 |
| bodhizazen | thank you nhandler | 00:20 |
| nhandler | [AGREED] Add ~ubuntu-beginners-council as administrator for all Ubuntu Beginners Team Launchpad teams. | 00:20 |
| MootBot | AGREED received: Add ~ubuntu-beginners-council as administrator for all Ubuntu Beginners Team Launchpad teams. | 00:20 |
| * cprofitt apologizes for being late | 00:20 | |
| nhandler | [TOPIC] Add a logo to the beginners team social group | 00:20 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Add a logo to the beginners team social group | 00:20 |
| Vantrax | we have a social group? | 00:20 |
| Ash_R | On ubuntu forums the social group Beginner Team Members [ http://ubuntuforums.org/group.php?groupid=79 ] lacks a logo. It has the default question mark. Should it not be changed to something else, such as the logo used on launchpad ( https://launchpadlibrarian.net/15997130/branding.png ) ? Another idea, could be to do a similar logo to that of the unanswered posts team ( http://ubuntuforums.org/image.php?groupid=52&dateline=1229 | 00:20 |
| Ash_R | 849008 ) . If any action is to be taken I think only bodhi can change the logo as he created the social group. | 00:20 |
| Ash_R | any thoughts? | 00:21 |
| bodhizazen | I am "OK" with that, but to be honest was consiering disbanding the social group as we all hang on IRC | 00:21 |
| MontelEdwards | bodhizazen: all hang? | 00:21 |
| MontelEdwards | what do you mean? | 00:21 |
| bodhizazen | LOL | 00:21 |
| Bodsda | if we keep the social group, which i dont think brings anything to the team, then we should get a logo, but I have no issues with disbanding it | 00:22 |
| bodhizazen | hang-out, ie are active on IRC | 00:22 |
| nhandler | Are there any reasons to have the social group? | 00:22 |
| Bodsda | MontelEdwards: we are an IRC orientated team | 00:22 |
| cprofitt | bodhizazen, I would not disband | 00:22 |
| Bodsda | who work heavily on the forums | 00:22 |
| nhandler | cprofitt: Why not? | 00:22 |
| cprofitt | it still serves as an ad that we exist | 00:22 |
| bodhizazen | When we started the team, social groups were the rage | 00:22 |
| nhandler | Don't we have a moderated user group on the forums already? | 00:22 |
| Ash_R | nhandler, wasn't it a place to introduce ourselves not only to the team but also to the forum based community | 00:23 |
| bodhizazen | now we have irc and mailing lists and what noe | 00:23 |
| bodhizazen | *not* | 00:23 |
| MontelEdwards | woah woah woah, do you mean take away the team IRC? | 00:23 |
| Ash_R | some may bot be on irc | 00:23 |
| Bodsda | MontelEdwards: no | 00:23 |
| Ash_R | *not | 00:23 |
| cprofitt | I do not see a reason to have more than one social group, but keeping one would still serve a purpose | 00:23 |
| cprofitt | and does no harm | 00:23 |
| MontelEdwards | Bodsda: then what? | 00:23 |
| bodhizazen | Well, the problem was ... | 00:23 |
| nhandler | Ash_R: If they have any intention of joining the team, they will need to get on IRC | 00:23 |
| bodhizazen | we got a ton of join requests from non-members | 00:23 |
| bodhizazen | so ... | 00:24 |
| Bodsda | MontelEdwards: the forums have social groups, just a little team page thingy.. we have one but hardly use it | 00:24 |
| bodhizazen | we made 2 social groups | 00:24 |
| bodhizazen | one moderated, members only | 00:24 |
| bodhizazen | the other unmoderated | 00:24 |
| bodhizazen | over time it seems the social groups have been used less and less | 00:24 |
| bodhizazen | if we keep it, I am OK with adding an icon | 00:25 |
| MontelEdwards | Oh forget that then | 00:25 |
| cprofitt | if it was causing some damage I could see getting rid of it... | 00:25 |
| cprofitt | but it really does no harm... | 00:25 |
| Bodsda | it does no harm keeping it | 00:25 |
| nhandler | Should we vote on this? | 00:25 |
| swoody | I'm in favor of keeping, and adding an icon | 00:25 |
| cprofitt | and people looking at members profiles will see it and see that a group exists | 00:25 |
| Ash_R | its a subtle minor change :) | 00:25 |
| nhandler | [VOTE] Delete the UBT Social Group on the Forums? | 00:25 |
| MootBot | Please vote on: Delete the UBT Social Group on the Forums?. | 00:25 |
| MootBot | Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to MootBot | 00:25 |
| MootBot | E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting | 00:25 |
| jamesrfla | +1 nhandler | 00:25 |
| MootBot | +1 received from jamesrfla. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1 | 00:25 |
| jamesrfla | oh | 00:26 |
| cprofitt | -1 | 00:26 |
| Bodsda | -1 | 00:26 |
| MootBot | -1 received from cprofitt. 1 for, 1 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 0 | 00:26 |
| MootBot | -1 received from Bodsda. 1 for, 2 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now -1 | 00:26 |
| nhandler | +0 | 00:26 |
| MootBot | Abstention received from nhandler. 1 for, 2 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now -1 | 00:26 |
| Ash_R | -1 | 00:26 |
| MootBot | -1 received from Ash_R. 1 for, 3 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now -2 | 00:26 |
| jamesrfla | -1 | 00:26 |
| drs305 | +1 | 00:26 |
| MootBot | +1 received from drs305. 2 for, 3 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now -1 | 00:26 |
| bodhizazen | 0 | 00:26 |
| swoody | -1 | 00:26 |
| ibuclaw | 0 | 00:26 |
| MootBot | -1 received from swoody. 2 for, 4 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now -2 | 00:26 |
| bodhizazen | +0 | 00:26 |
| MootBot | Abstention received from bodhizazen. 2 for, 4 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now -2 | 00:26 |
| Rocket2DMn | +0 | 00:26 |
| jamesrfla | um I want to change mine to -1 | 00:26 |
| MootBot | Abstention received from Rocket2DMn. 2 for, 4 against. 3 have abstained. Count is now -2 | 00:26 |
| duanedesign | -1 | 00:26 |
| MootBot | -1 received from duanedesign. 2 for, 5 against. 3 have abstained. Count is now -3 | 00:26 |
| ibuclaw | +0 | 00:26 |
| MootBot | Abstention received from ibuclaw. 2 for, 5 against. 4 have abstained. Count is now -3 | 00:26 |
| bgs100 | +0 | 00:26 |
| MootBot | Abstention received from bgs100. 2 for, 5 against. 5 have abstained. Count is now -3 | 00:26 |
| nhandler | jamesrfla: Just vote again | 00:26 |
| Joeb454 | 0 | 00:26 |
| Joeb454 | +0 | 00:26 |
| MootBot | Abstention received from Joeb454. 2 for, 5 against. 6 have abstained. Count is now -3 | 00:26 |
| jamesrfla | it said I already votted | 00:26 |
| Bodsda | jamesrfla: dont worry, its minus anyway | 00:27 |
| nhandler | [ENDVOTE] | 00:27 |
| MootBot | Final result is 2 for, 5 against. 6 abstained. Total: -3 | 00:27 |
| MontelEdwards | crap | 00:27 |
| MontelEdwards | i forgot to vote | 00:27 |
| ibuclaw | MontelEdwards, ideally, only members should vote | 00:27 |
| nhandler | [VOTE] Add icon from Launchpad to Social Group | 00:27 |
| MootBot | Please vote on: Add icon from Launchpad to Social Group. | 00:27 |
| MootBot | Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to MootBot | 00:27 |
| MootBot | E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting | 00:27 |
| jamesrfla | +1 | 00:27 |
| MootBot | +1 received from jamesrfla. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1 | 00:27 |
| Joeb454 | +1 | 00:27 |
| ibuclaw | +0 | 00:27 |
| MootBot | Abstention received from ibuclaw. 1 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 1 | 00:27 |
| MootBot | +1 received from Joeb454. 2 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 2 | 00:27 |
| nhandler | +1 | 00:27 |
| MootBot | +1 received from nhandler. 3 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 3 | 00:27 |
| Bodsda | +1 | 00:27 |
| MootBot | +1 received from Bodsda. 4 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 4 | 00:27 |
| Ash_R | +1 | 00:27 |
| MootBot | +1 received from Ash_R. 5 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 5 | 00:27 |
| Rocket2DMn | +1 | 00:27 |
| MontelEdwards | +1 | 00:27 |
| MootBot | +1 received from Rocket2DMn. 6 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 6 | 00:27 |
| MootBot | +1 received from MontelEdwards. 7 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 7 | 00:27 |
| swoody | +1 | 00:27 |
| MootBot | +1 received from swoody. 8 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 8 | 00:27 |
| drs305 | +1 | 00:28 |
| MootBot | +1 received from drs305. 9 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 9 | 00:28 |
| bodhizazen | +1 | 00:28 |
| MootBot | +1 received from bodhizazen. 10 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 10 | 00:28 |
| cprofitt | +0 | 00:28 |
| MootBot | Abstention received from cprofitt. 10 for, 0 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now 10 | 00:28 |
| duanedesign | -1 | 00:28 |
| MootBot | -1 received from duanedesign. 10 for, 1 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now 9 | 00:28 |
| bodhizazen | which icon do we want ? | 00:28 |
| nhandler | bodhizazen: The icon on https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-beginners | 00:28 |
| Snova | +1 | 00:28 |
| MootBot | +1 received from Snova. 11 for, 1 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now 10 | 00:28 |
| nhandler | [ENDVOTE] | 00:29 |
| MootBot | Final result is 11 for, 1 against. 2 abstained. Total: 10 | 00:29 |
| Ash_R | bodhizazen, perhaps we should leave it open for submissions | 00:29 |
| Ash_R | or maybe not as it would be good for unity of the logos on the forum and launchpad | 00:29 |
| nhandler | [AGREED] Add icon from https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-beginners to Social Group | 00:29 |
| MootBot | AGREED received: Add icon from https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-beginners to Social Group | 00:29 |
| nhandler | [TOPIC] Discuss purpose of the council | 00:30 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Discuss purpose of the council | 00:30 |
| nhandler | [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/Structure#Jedi%20Council | 00:30 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/Structure#Jedi%20Council | 00:30 |
| nhandler | The purpose of the council is briefly discussed above | 00:30 |
| nhandler | Sadly, paultag is not present | 00:30 |
| nhandler | Based on the discussion on the mailing list, it appears that several members want the council to take a more active role in the running of the team | 00:31 |
| Bodsda | note: agenda item added (sorry for last minute addition) | 00:31 |
| nhandler | Before doing this, I would like to decide on a clear purpose and guidelines for the council | 00:31 |
| duanedesign | what is not being done? | 00:31 |
| bodhizazen | icon has been changed ;) | 00:32 |
| Bodsda | yay :) | 00:32 |
| nhandler | [IDEA] Have council create charter to be approved at next team meeting | 00:32 |
| MootBot | IDEA received: Have council create charter to be approved at next team meeting | 00:32 |
| nhandler | This is what the motu-release team did during the Jaunty cycle | 00:32 |
| cprofitt | it may take more than one meeting to iron out a charter | 00:33 |
| bodhizazen | I think I missed the discussion nhandler =) | 00:33 |
| cprofitt | but the idea is sound... | 00:33 |
| Rocket2DMn | Just FYI, I won't be here for the next meeting. I'm leaving Friday for vacation | 00:33 |
| cprofitt | I also did not catch this discussion on the mailing list... | 00:33 |
| bodhizazen | what is it we want the council to do ? | 00:33 |
| Rocket2DMn | I won't be able to participate in such a discussion at this time | 00:33 |
| cprofitt | I will have to make sure I am on it... | 00:33 |
| bodhizazen | in general | 00:33 |
| cprofitt | Rocket2DMn, why? | 00:33 |
| ibuclaw | nhandler, afaik, the "Knights" are the proactive role members in general who try to keep the peace | 00:33 |
| Rocket2DMn | cprofitt, i can right now (this evening), but ill be gone for a few weeks starting on Friday, and I'm very busy up til then. | 00:34 |
| nhandler | ibuclaw: I agree. I expressed my opinion on the issue on the list | 00:34 |
| ibuclaw | the "Council" make decisions when things escalate beyond what the "Knights" can handle (ie: temp bannings, etc,etc) | 00:34 |
| Rocket2DMn | so i wont be able to help much with putting together a proposal | 00:34 |
| cprofitt | k | 00:34 |
| nhandler | Rocket2DMn: Ok, we will be sure to catch you up when you return | 00:35 |
| nhandler | [VOTE] Have council create charter to be approved at next team meeting | 00:35 |
| MootBot | Please vote on: Have council create charter to be approved at next team meeting. | 00:35 |
| MootBot | Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to MootBot | 00:35 |
| MootBot | E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting | 00:35 |
| Rocket2DMn | thats fine nhandler | 00:35 |
| Rocket2DMn | +0 | 00:35 |
| MootBot | Abstention received from Rocket2DMn. 0 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 0 | 00:35 |
| ibuclaw | +0 | 00:35 |
| MootBot | Abstention received from ibuclaw. 0 for, 0 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now 0 | 00:35 |
| Bodsda | +0 | 00:35 |
| MootBot | Abstention received from Bodsda. 0 for, 0 against. 3 have abstained. Count is now 0 | 00:35 |
| jamesrfla | +0 | 00:35 |
| MootBot | Abstention received from jamesrfla. 0 for, 0 against. 4 have abstained. Count is now 0 | 00:35 |
| Ash_R | +0 | 00:35 |
| MootBot | Abstention received from Ash_R. 0 for, 0 against. 5 have abstained. Count is now 0 | 00:35 |
| bodhizazen | +0 | 00:35 |
| MootBot | Abstention received from bodhizazen. 0 for, 0 against. 6 have abstained. Count is now 0 | 00:35 |
| nhandler | I will abstain since I am on the council | 00:35 |
| nhandler | +0 | 00:35 |
| MootBot | Abstention received from nhandler. 0 for, 0 against. 7 have abstained. Count is now 0 | 00:35 |
| bodhizazen | lol | 00:35 |
| cprofitt | +0 | 00:35 |
| MootBot | Abstention received from cprofitt. 0 for, 0 against. 8 have abstained. Count is now 0 | 00:35 |
| duanedesign | +1 | 00:35 |
| swoody | +1 | 00:35 |
| MootBot | +1 received from duanedesign. 1 for, 0 against. 8 have abstained. Count is now 1 | 00:35 |
| MootBot | +1 received from swoody. 2 for, 0 against. 8 have abstained. Count is now 2 | 00:35 |
| Joeb454 | +0 | 00:35 |
| MootBot | Abstention received from Joeb454. 2 for, 0 against. 9 have abstained. Count is now 2 | 00:35 |
| Rocket2DMn | Team members need to vote plesae | 00:36 |
| cprofitt | I am indifferent to this... but we have been running fairly well w/o such a charter | 00:36 |
| bodhizazen | nhandler: or someone please forward the email to me, I can not find the discussion in my inbox | 00:36 |
| drs305 | +0 | 00:36 |
| MootBot | Abstention received from drs305. 2 for, 0 against. 10 have abstained. Count is now 2 | 00:36 |
| Joeb454 | I only abstained because I'm currently on the council, and we seem to be doing OK as is | 00:36 |
| cprofitt | nhandler, please forward it to me as well | 00:36 |
| cprofitt | unless the discussion was all today | 00:36 |
| nhandler | [ACTION] nhandler to forward email to entire council | 00:36 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: nhandler to forward email to entire council | 00:36 |
| bodhizazen | thank you :) | 00:36 |
| * cprofitt nods | 00:37 | |
| nhandler | [ENDVOTE] | 00:37 |
| MootBot | Final result is 2 for, 0 against. 10 abstained. Total: 2 | 00:37 |
| nhandler | [AGREED] Have council create charter to be approved at next team meeting | 00:37 |
| MootBot | AGREED received: Have council create charter to be approved at next team meeting | 00:37 |
| Rocket2DMn | o/ | 00:37 |
| * bodhizazen would like to suggest there are always things to do if people would like "assignments" , lol | 00:37 | |
| duanedesign | I think the main proponent of the council taking on a more active role was ptag | 00:37 |
| nhandler | [ACTION] Council to schedule meeting to start work on a charter | 00:37 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: Council to schedule meeting to start work on a charter | 00:37 |
| Rocket2DMn | Did you want to include paultag directly in creating that charter? | 00:37 |
| nhandler | Yes Rocket2DMn ? | 00:37 |
| jamesrfla | bodhizazen: is there a wiki on that? | 00:38 |
| cprofitt | woah... | 00:38 |
| cprofitt | that was 10 abstentions... I do not think the measure passed | 00:38 |
| nhandler | Rocket2DMn: I have no objections to including him | 00:38 |
| bodhizazen | no jamesrfla , we had a discussion on a task list at one point ... | 00:38 |
| MontelEdwards | cprofitt: is right | 00:38 |
| nhandler | cprofitt: A vote of +0 is non-blocking on the issue | 00:39 |
| cprofitt | nhandler, ? | 00:39 |
| cprofitt | We had less than 50% of the members vote yes | 00:39 |
| nhandler | cprofitt: Only a vote of -1 is considered "blocking" on an issue. +0 does not block. | 00:39 |
| swoody | cprofitt: but nobody voted to stop it :) | 00:39 |
| cprofitt | if we are going to have a +1 and 20 +0s = a yes vote I will stop voting +0 | 00:39 |
| duanedesign | even if a charted is a reiteration of already established procedure, at least it was addressed | 00:39 |
| MontelEdwards | MootBot: should take off +0 because its pointless | 00:40 |
| cprofitt | do we have rules for votes... | 00:40 |
| bodhizazen | abstentions do not prevent a measure from passing, you need to -1 | 00:40 |
| Rocket2DMn | duanedesign makes a good point | 00:40 |
| cprofitt | please change my vote to a -1 then | 00:40 |
| Rocket2DMn | we can just reiterate what we already do | 00:40 |
| Rocket2DMn | (and dont do) | 00:40 |
| nhandler | cprofitt: No, we have not created clear guidelines for the votes | 00:40 |
| Hellow | What if the entire team votes +0? | 00:40 |
| cprofitt | as the voting does not follow any rules I am familiar with | 00:40 |
| Hellow | er, 0 | 00:40 |
| MontelEdwards | Good question habtool | 00:40 |
| MontelEdwards | ah | 00:40 |
| MontelEdwards | Hellow: | 00:40 |
| nhandler | cprofitt: We have been using the standard voting procedure used by most other teams in the community | 00:40 |
| bodhizazen | we have, however, discussed votes before | 00:40 |
| bodhizazen | In general .... | 00:41 |
| bodhizazen | to block an action you need to -1 | 00:41 |
| cprofitt | nhandler, I did not know we had a procedure to handle such a large contingent of +0 votes | 00:41 |
| bodhizazen | In general if the majority of the team abstains we put the item on the next meetings agenda | 00:41 |
| cprofitt | bodhizazen, +1 | 00:42 |
| cprofitt | that is what I thought | 00:42 |
| Joeb454 | I'd say put it on the next agenda | 00:42 |
| nhandler | However, in this case, we are just having the council propose a charter (which won't take affect until approved at the next meeting) | 00:42 |
| Joeb454 | paultag isn't here either | 00:42 |
| Ash_R | me too | 00:42 |
| cprofitt | and with only 2 votes for and 10 abstentions I would not count it as passed | 00:42 |
| Joeb454 | though nhandler does have a point... | 00:42 |
| bodhizazen | we have no "rules" for how many voting members need to be present to hold a vote or what % an action needs to pass | 00:42 |
| MontelEdwards | bodhizazen nhandler cprofitt can we just re vote? | 00:42 |
| bodhizazen | has been "simple majority" | 00:42 |
| MontelEdwards | Now that we know the rulew | 00:42 |
| bodhizazen | yes :) | 00:42 |
| Hellow | I would have to say that 10 abstentions and 2 +1s would not pass | 00:42 |
| zu22 | hi guys | 00:42 |
| st33med | 2/3s? | 00:42 |
| Joeb454 | MontelEdwards: you're not on the team, technically you shouldn't be voting : | 00:43 |
| Hellow | at least, if it was under my control :) | 00:43 |
| bodhizazen | well Hellow 2 +1 and 10 0 technically = | 00:43 |
| nhandler | [IDEA] Discuss voting guidelines on mailing list and vote on it at next meeting | 00:43 |
| MootBot | IDEA received: Discuss voting guidelines on mailing list and vote on it at next meeting | 00:43 |
| bodhizazen | 2 + votes | 00:43 |
| st33med | 2/3s of the votes have to be +1 | 00:43 |
| zu22 | 0 | 00:43 |
| bodhizazen | as abstensions are deciding not to vote | 00:43 |
| Joeb454 | +1 | 00:43 |
| bodhizazen | IMHO | 00:43 |
| Rocket2DMn | lol, vote on voting guidelines | 00:43 |
| MontelEdwards | Joeb454 true, but im more active than you so i dont see the point of me not voteing | 00:43 |
| MontelEdwards | no offense | 00:43 |
| Hellow | MontelEdwards: That's debatable, but lets discuss it in a different channel | 00:44 |
| Hellow | Also, only team members can vote | 00:44 |
| Hellow | eod :P | 00:44 |
| jamesrfla | zu22: do a + then your number | 00:44 |
| bodhizazen | MontelEdwards: you are too new to see the point | 00:44 |
| zu22 | +1 | 00:44 |
| bodhizazen | ask the young members team :) | 00:44 |
| jamesrfla | +1 | 00:44 |
| zu22 | i vote for Ubuntu Beginners Team | 00:44 |
| zu22 | :) | 00:44 |
| MontelEdwards | bodhizazen: i have been here for 3 months | 00:44 |
| jamesrfla | bodhizazen: young members team? | 00:44 |
| Bodsda | MontelEdwards: please, discuss in #ubuntu-beginners | 00:44 |
| bodhizazen | Well some of us have been here for longer | 00:44 |
| * Hellow has been here for... over a year, I think | 00:45 | |
| bodhizazen | so please ask in a more appropriate venue, lol | 00:45 |
| * jamesrfla about the same a Hellow probably less | 00:45 | |
| nhandler | So do we just want to discuss the voting on the mailing list for now? | 00:45 |
| MontelEdwards | no, its been more than 3 months its 5 | 00:45 |
| Hellow | Also, lol voting on voting | 00:45 |
| Ash_R | jamesrfla, we have a focus group :) | 00:45 |
| Bodsda | MontelEdwards: enough, please | 00:45 |
| Hellow | MontelEdwards: Only team members can vote. EOD. | 00:45 |
| zu22 | Bodsda +1 | 00:45 |
| Hellow | yes, +1 Bodsda | 00:46 |
| MontelEdwards | Hellow: eod? | 00:46 |
| Bodsda | end of discussion | 00:46 |
| Hellow | MontelEdwards: End Of Discussion | 00:46 |
| nhandler | [VOTE] Discuss voting guidelines on mailing list and vote on it at next meeting | 00:46 |
| MootBot | Please vote on: Discuss voting guidelines on mailing list and vote on it at next meeting. | 00:46 |
| MootBot | Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to MootBot | 00:46 |
| MootBot | E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting | 00:46 |
| Bodsda | can we get back ontopic please | 00:46 |
| cprofitt | +1 | 00:46 |
| MootBot | +1 received from cprofitt. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1 | 00:46 |
| Bodsda | +1 | 00:46 |
| MootBot | +1 received from Bodsda. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2 | 00:46 |
| zu22 | +1 | 00:46 |
| MootBot | +1 received from zu22. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3 | 00:46 |
| jgoguen | +1 | 00:46 |
| MootBot | +1 received from jgoguen. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4 | 00:46 |
| swoody | +1 | 00:46 |
| MootBot | +1 received from swoody. 5 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 5 | 00:46 |
| Hellow | +0 | 00:46 |
| jamesrfla | +1 | 00:46 |
| MootBot | Abstention received from Hellow. 5 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 5 | 00:46 |
| MootBot | +1 received from jamesrfla. 6 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 6 | 00:46 |
| duanedesign | +1 | 00:46 |
| bodhizazen | +0 | 00:46 |
| MootBot | +1 received from duanedesign. 7 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 7 | 00:46 |
| MootBot | Abstention received from bodhizazen. 7 for, 0 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now 7 | 00:46 |
| Rocket2DMn | +0 | 00:46 |
| MootBot | Abstention received from Rocket2DMn. 7 for, 0 against. 3 have abstained. Count is now 7 | 00:46 |
| MontelEdwards | +0 | 00:46 |
| MootBot | Abstention received from MontelEdwards. 7 for, 0 against. 4 have abstained. Count is now 7 | 00:46 |
| nhandler | +1 | 00:46 |
| MootBot | +1 received from nhandler. 8 for, 0 against. 4 have abstained. Count is now 8 | 00:46 |
| Joeb454 | +1 | 00:46 |
| MootBot | +1 received from Joeb454. 9 for, 0 against. 4 have abstained. Count is now 9 | 00:46 |
| nhandler | [ENDVOTE] | 00:47 |
| MootBot | Final result is 9 for, 0 against. 4 abstained. Total: 9 | 00:47 |
| Ash_R | +0 | 00:47 |
| nhandler | [AGREED] Discuss voting guidelines on mailing list and vote on it at next meeting | 00:47 |
| MootBot | AGREED received: Discuss voting guidelines on mailing list and vote on it at next meeting | 00:47 |
| nhandler | [TOPIC] Team Renaming | 00:47 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Team Renaming | 00:47 |
| nhandler | For those who have not noticed, the team has been renamed | 00:48 |
| bodhizazen | :) | 00:48 |
| bodhizazen | dead horse :) | 00:48 |
| cprofitt | [LINK] http://www.robertsrules.com/faq.html#6 | 00:48 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://www.robertsrules.com/faq.html#6 | 00:48 |
| Rocket2DMn | what?! really!? | 00:48 |
| Hellow | Was about to ask if we had already done thing :P | 00:48 |
| nhandler | We went from the Ubuntu Forums Beginners Team (UFBT) to the Ubuntu Beginners Team (UBT) | 00:48 |
| Hellow | this* | 00:48 |
| ibuclaw | Rocket2DMn, I'm just as shocked as you | 00:48 |
| duanedesign | \o/ | 00:48 |
| nhandler | This means that all Launchpad teams were also renamed | 00:48 |
| bodhizazen | and the channel :) | 00:48 |
| nhandler | So our main team is now https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-beginners | 00:48 |
| nhandler | [LINK] https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-beginners | 00:48 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-beginners | 00:48 |
| zu22 | kewl | 00:49 |
| nhandler | The Focus Group teams went from ~ubuntuforums-beginners-foo to ~ubuntu-beginners-foo | 00:49 |
| nhandler | During this transition, the mailing lists and their archives were deleted | 00:49 |
| bodhizazen | Rocket2DMn: It was a request from the CC really | 00:49 |
| nhandler | However, the mailing list for the main team and for the council are now back up (but with new addresses) | 00:49 |
| Hellow | Not really a request, more of a suggestion :P | 00:49 |
| zu22 | nhandler: lol why delete the archives? isn't that useful to have? | 00:49 |
| nhandler | zu22: It made it a LOT easier on the LP admins. And many team members have copies if needed | 00:50 |
| Rocket2DMn | bodhizazen, i know, i was playing dumb :) | 00:50 |
| zu22 | nhandler: ah | 00:50 |
| nhandler | The IRC channel also moved to #ubuntu-beginners | 00:50 |
| bodhizazen | Ah, you got me Rocket2DMn | 00:50 |
| nhandler | Now, we are working on ensuring that all wiki pages have the correct information | 00:50 |
| bodhizazen | lol | 00:50 |
| swoody | o/ | 00:50 |
| nhandler | Go ahead swoody | 00:51 |
| * bodhizazen suggests a team task / to-do list | 00:51 | |
| jamesrfla | +1 Bod | 00:51 |
| nhandler | bodhizazen: Generating the to-do list for the transition would probably be harder than the transition itself ;) | 00:51 |
| jamesrfla | +1 bodhizazen | 00:51 |
| cprofitt | bodhizazen, the headers are all that likely need to be changed... | 00:51 |
| cprofitt | so it should be simple to ensure that... | 00:51 |
| Hellow | bodhizazen: Although I admit that would be nice, isnt that covered, at least in part, by the various agendas that we have? | 00:51 |
| duanedesign | will #ubuntuforums-beginners eventually stop forwarding to #ubuntu-beginners? | 00:51 |
| cprofitt | I will check the EDU team header after the meeting | 00:51 |
| bodhizazen | no duanedesign | 00:52 |
| nhandler | cprofitt: I think I got the headers fixed. But many pages include the mailing list URL or links to the LP page or IRC channel | 00:52 |
| cprofitt | k | 00:52 |
| cprofitt | I will check the EDU pages tonight | 00:52 |
| bodhizazen | nhandler: make the to-do list generic enough to be fast and easy to maintain | 00:52 |
| nhandler | [ACTION] cprofitt to check EDU pages | 00:52 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: cprofitt to check EDU pages | 00:52 |
| Rocket2DMn | I think FG leads should check their own pages | 00:52 |
| nhandler | bodhizazen: If it is too generic, it won't help with anything | 00:52 |
| * MontelEdwards wouldnt mind scanning all the pages, he has nothing better to do. | 00:52 | |
| zu22 | swoody: wb | 00:53 |
| nhandler | [IDEA] Each FG Lead takes care of their own wiki pages | 00:53 |
| MootBot | IDEA received: Each FG Lead takes care of their own wiki pages | 00:53 |
| duanedesign | what happened toour launchpad job thig? | 00:53 |
| zu22 | nhandler +1 | 00:53 |
| duanedesign | s/thig/thing | 00:53 |
| bodhizazen | probably should discuss a team to-do list of some kind | 00:53 |
| swoody | ty zu22 | 00:53 |
| zu22 | [IDEA] Everyone add the new address to their .signature file | 00:53 |
| MootBot | IDEA received: Everyone add the new address to their .signature file | 00:53 |
| nhandler | bodhizazen: Would you like to create one? | 00:53 |
| bodhizazen | I would like to see if the team will use it first | 00:54 |
| swoody | So, the renaming hasn't affected any subscriptions, correct? We don't have to re-join all the LP groups we had joined previously? | 00:54 |
| bodhizazen | some say yea some say Ni | 00:54 |
| nhandler | Correct swoody | 00:54 |
| nhandler | [VOTE] Should we have a team todo list? | 00:54 |
| MootBot | Please vote on: Should we have a team todo list?. | 00:54 |
| MootBot | Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to MootBot | 00:54 |
| MootBot | E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting | 00:54 |
| Ash_R | +1 | 00:54 |
| MootBot | +1 received from Ash_R. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1 | 00:54 |
| bodhizazen | +1 | 00:55 |
| jamesrfla | +1 | 00:55 |
| MootBot | +1 received from jamesrfla. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2 | 00:55 |
| MootBot | +1 received from bodhizazen. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3 | 00:55 |
| cprofitt | +0 | 00:55 |
| MootBot | Abstention received from cprofitt. 3 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 3 | 00:55 |
| swoody | +1 | 00:55 |
| Hellow | +1 | 00:55 |
| MootBot | +1 received from swoody. 4 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 4 | 00:55 |
| MootBot | +1 received from Hellow. 5 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 5 | 00:55 |
| zu22 | +1 | 00:55 |
| MootBot | +1 received from zu22. 6 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 6 | 00:55 |
| duanedesign | +1 | 00:55 |
| MootBot | +1 received from duanedesign. 7 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 7 | 00:55 |
| Bodsda | +0 | 00:55 |
| MootBot | Abstention received from Bodsda. 7 for, 0 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now 7 | 00:55 |
| drs305 | +1 | 00:55 |
| MootBot | +1 received from drs305. 8 for, 0 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now 8 | 00:55 |
| Rocket2DMn | -1 | 00:55 |
| MootBot | -1 received from Rocket2DMn. 8 for, 1 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now 7 | 00:55 |
| nhandler | +0 | 00:55 |
| MootBot | Abstention received from nhandler. 8 for, 1 against. 3 have abstained. Count is now 7 | 00:55 |
| MontelEdwards | +1 | 00:55 |
| MootBot | +1 received from MontelEdwards. 9 for, 1 against. 3 have abstained. Count is now 8 | 00:55 |
| nhandler | [ENDVOTE] | 00:55 |
| MootBot | Final result is 9 for, 1 against. 3 abstained. Total: 8 | 00:56 |
| Hellow | MontelEdwards: Why are you voting? | 00:56 |
| nhandler | [AGREED] Create a team todo list | 00:56 |
| MootBot | AGREED received: Create a team todo list | 00:56 |
| nhandler | bodhizazen: Would you like to create it? | 00:56 |
| bodhizazen | the only way we can restrict that Hellow is to use Votebot | 00:56 |
| duanedesign | did we decide not to manage jobs through Launchpad? | 00:56 |
| bodhizazen | mootbot is open | 00:56 |
| zu22 | MOntelEdwards: please respect the team guidelines. Onlt members can vote. Thank you. | 00:56 |
| Hellow | Also, shouldnt we be more specific on what we do with our team Todo? | 00:56 |
| nhandler | duanedesign: That was a project through the -dev FG | 00:56 |
| MontelEdwards | bodhizazen: i cannot vote? | 00:56 |
| bodhizazen | I will, but should discuss how to use it | 00:56 |
| swoody | MontelEdwards: You are not a member of the BT, so no | 00:57 |
| bodhizazen | MontelEdwards: that has already been addressed with you ;) | 00:57 |
| Bodsda | MontelEdwards: this is not the place. please, discuss those issues in #ubuntu-beginners | 00:57 |
| nhandler | [ACTION] bodhizazen to create todo list | 00:57 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: bodhizazen to create todo list | 00:57 |
| bodhizazen | MontelEdwards: Mootbot allows you to vote , but team rules do not :( | 00:57 |
| jamesrfla | we had a discussion on one of these meetings | 00:58 |
| nhandler | bodhizazen: Can we discuss how to use the todo list in the main channel and via the mailing list? | 00:58 |
| * Hellow senses the issue of using Mootbot rising | 00:58 | |
| MontelEdwards | bodhizazen: Sorry, i wont vote any more | 00:58 |
| MontelEdwards | I thought Hellow was just saying that, i didnt believe him | 00:58 |
| Hellow | MontelEdwards: I never lie, even to those that I want to | 00:59 |
| bodhizazen | mailing list or channel, does not matter | 00:59 |
| nhandler | [TOPIC] FG meetings please! | 00:59 |
| MootBot | New Topic: FG meetings please! | 00:59 |
| bodhizazen | +1 | 00:59 |
| nhandler | Bodsda: You are up | 00:59 |
| Bodsda | cheers | 00:59 |
| Bodsda | so, I would like to see FG meetings, they are always TBA atm, lets get some meetings going to make members feel more involved and to help more people | 01:00 |
| * bodhizazen reminds team we are at the 1 hour mark :) | 01:00 | |
| bodhizazen | +1 Bodsda | 01:00 |
| jamesrfla | yeah I have another meeting that should be starting soon | 01:00 |
| nhandler | bodhizazen: No team is after us, so we are fine. | 01:00 |
| Ash_R | bodhizazen, if me and Joeb454 are still awake i say go for it :D | 01:00 |
| Ash_R | carry on! | 01:00 |
| cprofitt | I need to talk to bodhi about the EDU team | 01:01 |
| bodhizazen | OK, but people hate it when meeting goes over is all | 01:01 |
| cprofitt | but I agree on needing meetings | 01:01 |
| Hellow | I dont think I have seen a FG meeting in a while | 01:01 |
| bodhizazen | I think the Eduteam has grown beyond this team | 01:01 |
| cprofitt | did we as a team every hold the FG lead vote? | 01:01 |
| Bodsda | [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/Meetings#Focus%20Group%20Meetings | 01:01 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/Meetings#Focus%20Group%20Meetings | 01:01 |
| Joeb454 | +1 for ending the meeting if we need to :) but I'm still up Ash_R | 01:01 |
| nhandler | No cprofitt | 01:01 |
| Bodsda | FG leads, please add any meetings to that table | 01:01 |
| Rocket2DMn | I'll be having a Wiki FG meeting after I get back from vacation in early July | 01:01 |
| cprofitt | we can always move the meeting to #ubuntu-beginners | 01:02 |
| ibuclaw | Ash_R, don't forget ibuclaw and Bodsda | 01:02 |
| Bodsda | ibuclaw: huh? | 01:02 |
| nhandler | cprofitt: No need, nobody is after us | 01:02 |
| Ash_R | true, i didn't see you around ibuclaw + bodsa | 01:02 |
| Bodsda | what have i done? | 01:02 |
| nhandler | Ok, I don't think there is anything to vote on here | 01:02 |
| Bodsda | nope, just a kick up the backside | 01:03 |
| nhandler | Bodsda: Do you want to send out an email to the list so we can discuss it more? | 01:03 |
| Hellow | [IDEA] More Individual FG Meetings | 01:03 |
| MootBot | IDEA received: More Individual FG Meetings | 01:03 |
| MontelEdwards | Im going to eat dinner, bye =D | 01:03 |
| bodhizazen | Team members can always discuss to-do and FG on the main channel at any time | 01:03 |
| Bodsda | nhandler: sounds like a plan | 01:03 |
| bodhizazen | that is what the channel fsi 4 | 01:03 |
| Bodsda | ty Hellow | 01:03 |
| nhandler | [ACTION] Bodsda to send email to mailing list to discuss FG meetings | 01:04 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: Bodsda to send email to mailing list to discuss FG meetings | 01:04 |
| nhandler | [TOPIC] Any additional meeting topics? | 01:04 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Any additional meeting topics? | 01:04 |
| Hellow | lol | 01:04 |
| nhandler | Anything else to discuss tonight? | 01:04 |
| cprofitt | Status of EDU FG team -- though that may be council based first | 01:04 |
| bodhizazen | o/ | 01:04 |
| nhandler | Go ahead bodhizazen | 01:05 |
| cprofitt | and when the elections are going to happen | 01:05 |
| bodhizazen | I would like to get a sense of how the team feel behavior in teh channel is going in general | 01:05 |
| nhandler | I think the EDU FG issue might be better for the council to discuss first cprofitt | 01:05 |
| bodhizazen | problems ? | 01:05 |
| Vantrax | edu fg issue? | 01:05 |
| duanedesign | good i think | 01:06 |
| Hellow | bodhizazen: Sometimes behavior with some of our newer visitors gets out of hand | 01:06 |
| bodhizazen | cprofitt: there was a last minute change and the team became disinterested in "elections" | 01:06 |
| bodhizazen | lol | 01:06 |
| cprofitt | lol | 01:06 |
| Hellow | Otherwise, we are good imo. | 01:06 |
| cprofitt | so we are back to bodhi dictator... tis ok with me... | 01:06 |
| Hellow | also, lol | 01:06 |
| bodhizazen | so FG leads are appointed | 01:06 |
| * bodhizazen prefers elections | 01:06 | |
| * nhandler is still looking for a new LP FG lead | 01:06 | |
| cprofitt | I respect your lead... and you have built us so far bodhizazen | 01:06 |
| cprofitt | we should change the wiki then | 01:06 |
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| nhandler | cprofitt: Do you want to handle that? | 01:07 |
| cprofitt | updating the wiki ? | 01:07 |
| nhandler | Yes cprofitt | 01:07 |
| cprofitt | sure... I can do that with the EDU review tonight | 01:07 |
| nhandler | [ACION] cprofitt to modify wiki to reflect that no FG elections will be held. | 01:07 |
| nhandler | [ACTION] cprofitt to modify wiki to reflect that no FG elections will be held. | 01:07 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: cprofitt to modify wiki to reflect that no FG elections will be held. | 01:07 |
| bodhizazen | OK, well if there is a behavior issue bring it to the mailing list please :) | 01:08 |
| nhandler | [ACTION] Council to discuss Education FG issue | 01:08 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: Council to discuss Education FG issue | 01:08 |
| nhandler | Anything else to discuss? | 01:08 |
| Bodsda | o/ | 01:08 |
| nhandler | Yes Bodsda ? | 01:08 |
| bodhizazen | FYI we formed a young new users group to help with immature behavior, regardless of chronologic age, although I bet ie is more common in the chronologic short members | 01:08 |
| jamesrfla | yeah I just signed up for that team :) | 01:09 |
| ibuclaw | bodhizazen, how is that different from what is already out there? | 01:09 |
| drs305 | o/ | 01:09 |
| Bodsda | I'd just like to politely request that biccerring between members should not be done in #ubuntu-beginners -- i know there is some anamosity between some members so please take it elsewhere | 01:09 |
| Ash_R | group page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/FocusGroups/YNU | 01:09 |
| ibuclaw | ie: ##ubuteens or ##ubuntu-youths | 01:09 |
| drs305 | +1 Bodsda | 01:09 |
| Hellow | Also related is GNUTeens, but heh | 01:09 |
| jamesrfla | ibuclaw: they can take my ##ubunteen channel | 01:09 |
| nhandler | Bodsda: If 2 members have a problem, it should be brought to the Council's attention | 01:10 |
| ibuclaw | sorry if there are any spelling mistakes :) | 01:10 |
| bodhizazen | ibuclaw: we have some people on the team interested in helping me with the young members | 01:10 |
| bodhizazen | so hopefully more guidance will be provided | 01:10 |
| * zu22 gotta go | 01:10 | |
| Hellow | bodhizazen: I will help, even though I am young myself :P | 01:10 |
| bodhizazen | the idea is to do in discreetly | 01:10 |
| bodhizazen | *it* | 01:10 |
| Bodsda | nhandler: ok, il go there in future, ty | 01:10 |
| bodhizazen | and not embarrass people on the main channel | 01:11 |
| nhandler | Any more things to discuss? | 01:11 |
| bodhizazen | it is a behavior group, not a social club if you catch my drift =) | 01:11 |
| bodhizazen | Thanks Hellow | 01:11 |
| nhandler | I guess I will handle the minutes for this meeting again. | 01:11 |
| bodhizazen | we could probably use a wiki page :) | 01:11 |
| * Hellow gets on it | 01:11 | |
| nhandler | [ACTION] nhandler to handle minutes for meeting | 01:11 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: nhandler to handle minutes for meeting | 01:11 |
| bodhizazen | nhandler: are the minutes not automagic on this channel ? | 01:12 |
| nhandler | [ACTION] Hellow to create wiki page for Young New Users Group | 01:12 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: Hellow to create wiki page for Young New Users Group | 01:12 |
| Rocket2DMn | those arent minutes, those are just logs | 01:12 |
| Rocket2DMn | we dont really keep minutes | 01:12 |
| nhandler | bodhizazen: We have the MootBot minutes, but they are not usually complete | 01:12 |
| * Hellow is lost | 01:12 | |
| bodhizazen | oic, lol | 01:12 |
| nhandler | Rocket2DMn: The team reporting page has the minutes | 01:12 |
| Rocket2DMn | ah yeah nhandler , i forgot about that | 01:12 |
| bodhizazen | nhandler: you are doing a ton for the team | 01:13 |
| nhandler | :) | 01:13 |
| Rocket2DMn | nhandler is a BT monster | 01:13 |
| bodhizazen | are you sure you are not taking on too much ? | 01:13 |
| jamesrfla | +1 Rocket2DMn | 01:13 |
| bodhizazen | I do not want to see youburn out | 01:13 |
| Hellow | BT Monster = rawr | 01:13 |
| nhandler | bodhizazen: Neither do I. Which is one reason I am intentionally not taking all of the meeting actions ;) | 01:13 |
| bgs100 | Hellow, lol | 01:13 |
| jamesrfla | I can help you out nhandler just tell me what to do if I can | 01:14 |
| nhandler | jamesrfla: Sure thing | 01:14 |
| nhandler | [VOTE] End the meeting? | 01:14 |
| MootBot | Please vote on: End the meeting?. | 01:14 |
| MootBot | Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to MootBot | 01:14 |
| MootBot | E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting | 01:14 |
| Hellow | +1 | 01:14 |
| MootBot | +1 received from Hellow. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1 | 01:14 |
| Rocket2DMn | +1 | 01:14 |
| MootBot | +1 received from Rocket2DMn. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2 | 01:14 |
| jgoguen | +1 | 01:14 |
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| drs305 | +1 | 01:14 |
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| jamesrfla | +1 | 01:14 |
| MootBot | +1 received from jamesrfla. 5 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 5 | 01:14 |
| Vantrax | +1 | 01:14 |
| cprofitt | +1 | 01:14 |
| MootBot | +1 received from Vantrax. 6 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 6 | 01:14 |
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| swoody | +1 | 01:14 |
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| ibuclaw | +1 | 01:14 |
| MootBot | +1 received from ibuclaw. 9 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 9 | 01:14 |
| Bodsda | -1 | 01:14 |
| MootBot | -1 received from Bodsda. 9 for, 1 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 8 | 01:14 |
| bodhizazen | +0 | 01:14 |
| MootBot | Abstention received from bodhizazen. 9 for, 1 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 8 | 01:14 |
| Bodsda | i wanna stay | 01:15 |
| Vantrax | lol | 01:15 |
| Hellow | lol | 01:15 |
| nhandler | +1 | 01:15 |
| MootBot | +1 received from nhandler. 10 for, 1 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 9 | 01:15 |
| Ash_R | +1 | 01:15 |
| MootBot | +1 received from Ash_R. 11 for, 1 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 10 | 01:15 |
| duanedesign | +0 | 01:15 |
| MootBot | Abstention received from duanedesign. 11 for, 1 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now 10 | 01:15 |
| nhandler | [ENDVOTE] | 01:15 |
| MootBot | Final result is 11 for, 1 against. 2 abstained. Total: 10 | 01:15 |
| nhandler | The next meeting will take place two weeks from now on June 30th at 23:00 UTC in #ubuntu-meeting | 01:15 |
| Hellow | I have to wonder why we called a vote for that... | 01:15 |
| nhandler | #endmeeting | 01:15 |
| duanedesign | because we can :) | 01:15 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 19:15. | 01:15 |
| Joeb454 | 19.15? it's 01.15 here | 01:16 |
| jamesrfla | Joeb454: I think that is UTC or military time | 01:17 |
| * Ash_R wishes is was 19:15 | 01:17 | |
| Ash_R | jamesrfla, the meeting didn't start until 23:00 UTC | 01:17 |
| jamesrfla | okay so not UTC time then,... | 01:18 |
| Bodsda | jamesrfla: its 01:18 UTC+1 atm | 01:18 |
| Vantrax | mootbot is confused.. | 01:19 |
| * Ash_R should probably get to bed. i have work in 5 hours 40 minutes | 01:19 | |
| jamesrfla | +1 Ash_R | 01:20 |
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| robbiew | #startmeeting | 16:00 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 10:00. The chair is robbiew. | 16:00 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 16:00 |
| mterry | Hello! | 16:00 |
| * robbiew slides into the room at the last minute :) | 16:00 | |
| liw | yo | 16:00 |
| mvo | jo | 16:00 |
| evand | hi-ya | 16:01 |
| * slangasek waves | 16:01 | |
| robbiew | okie dokie...let's get this thing rolling | 16:02 |
| robbiew | [TOPIC] DMRaid Update | 16:02 |
| MootBot | New Topic: DMRaid Update | 16:02 |
| mterry | That's me I guess | 16:02 |
| robbiew | mterry: so I gather TheMuso has informed you of the hardware requirements | 16:02 |
| robbiew | heh | 16:02 |
| mterry | I'm bailing on dmraid. I don't have access to multiple hard drives after all. Mostly what I and OEM have is netbooks that can't use more than one. And apparently dmraid doesn't let me chain thumb drives | 16:03 |
| cjwatson | (here) | 16:03 |
| robbiew | :/ | 16:04 |
| robbiew | poor dmraid...no one loves it :*( | 16:04 |
| mterry | I don't even own a tower, and OEM doesn't seem to either | 16:04 |
| evand | I have a laptop from Dell that has software RAID that I can send your way, but last I checked the card wasn't supported by dmraid. Let me double check | 16:04 |
| liw | mterry, do you have the hw requirements handy? | 16:05 |
| mterry | yes... hold on | 16:05 |
| mterry | From Luke: You will need a motherboard bought in the last few years, which has an Intel ICH SATA chipset, I think this can be anywhere from ICH7 through ICH10. YOu also need at least 2 disks of the same size, that you can allocate to dmraid testing. This will likely require you to initialize them for RAID, test data, whipe them, and then re-init them again, depending on the RAID leve you want to test. Finally, you will have to enable the RAID | 16:05 |
| mterry | features in the motherboard's BIOS. | 16:05 |
| liw | I have ICH9 (he says, feeling clouds of doom gather overhead) | 16:07 |
| mterry | liw: You have disks too? | 16:07 |
| liw | the machine has four hard disks, yes | 16:07 |
| mterry | heh, ok | 16:07 |
| robbiew | :D | 16:07 |
| * mterry lives in a world of disposable crappy laptops. Hasn't seen 4 disks together since the 90s | 16:08 | |
| robbiew | liw: can you connect with TheMuso sometime this week? | 16:08 |
| liw | see, I was right about the clouds... | 16:09 |
| liw | robbiew, sure; I can wipe the desktop and try to get dmraid working | 16:09 |
| robbiew | heh | 16:09 |
| mterry | liw: Sorry man | 16:09 |
| robbiew | [ACTION] liw to enter the storm of dmraid and talk to TheMuso | 16:09 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: liw to enter the storm of dmraid and talk to TheMuso | 16:09 |
| robbiew | [TOPIC] Karmic Roadmap & Status | 16:10 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Karmic Roadmap & Status | 16:10 |
| robbiew | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/ReleaseStatus/Karmic | 16:10 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/ReleaseStatus/Karmic | 16:10 |
| * robbiew created the uber-doober of wiki pages | 16:10 | |
| robbiew | I think I've gotten every possible blueprint that *may* go into Karmic listed | 16:11 |
| cjwatson | yow | 16:11 |
| * liw thinks blueprint.lp should do that... | 16:11 | |
| robbiew | liw: +1000 | 16:11 |
| robbiew | I still need to defer a few more, as 40+ is too many | 16:12 |
| cjwatson | you *can* do milestone targeting in LP | 16:12 |
| cjwatson | it's more an aggregation problem ... | 16:12 |
| * robbiew will continue reviews and deferrals this week | 16:12 | |
| cjwatson | so who hasn't finished drafting yet? | 16:12 |
| slangasek | o/ | 16:12 |
| cjwatson | I have 1.5 to go | 16:12 |
| evand | robbiew: tis missing https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-karmic-usb-creator-for-windows | 16:12 |
| cjwatson | (sorry ...) | 16:12 |
| evand | I have oneish to go | 16:13 |
| slangasek | 1 | 16:13 |
| robbiew | evand: damn...and that's one I told davidm we would do :/ | 16:13 |
| robbiew | thnx | 16:13 |
| robbiew | adding now | 16:13 |
| robbiew | [ACTION] robbiew to add http://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-karmic-usb-creator-for-windows to Karmic Roadmap | 16:13 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: robbiew to add http://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-karmic-usb-creator-for-windows to Karmic Roadmap | 16:13 |
| * mterry gets cjwatson to draft his specs for him | 16:13 | |
| * cjwatson adapts a netbook for use as a shuriken | 16:14 | |
| robbiew | heh | 16:14 |
| robbiew | I need to assign http://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-karmic-i586-support | 16:14 |
| * robbiew notices Keybuk has been quiet | 16:15 | |
| robbiew | :P | 16:15 |
| Keybuk | robbiew: you didn't ping me ;) | 16:15 |
| liw | I have ... three to write, assuming they don't get deferred | 16:16 |
| * robbiew could have sworn there were calendar invites for this meeting...as no one reminds him to attend (heh) | 16:16 | |
| robbiew | liw: okay | 16:16 |
| Keybuk | i586 => waiting on infinity to make us a build, I guess | 16:16 |
| cjwatson | I'm told infinity was on it (as in, when I last asked, I was told he'd already been in touch with us), but I don't know current status | 16:17 |
| Keybuk | robbiew: the calendar doesn't affect me being quiet though :p | 16:17 |
| cjwatson | perhaps somebody who has been in touch with him could file an RT ticket? | 16:17 |
| robbiew | Keybuk: touche' | 16:17 |
| slangasek | I only had the one ping from him about whether it was a good time to snapshot | 16:17 |
| slangasek | what's the RT ticket supposed to say? | 16:17 |
| Keybuk | PLATFORM TEAM CAN HAZ 586 BUILZ PLZ | 16:18 |
| cjwatson | we need a fresh test build of alpha 2 plus a test build with the toolchain set to 586 | 16:18 |
| cjwatson | or words to that effect | 16:18 |
| slangasek | ok | 16:19 |
| cjwatson | realistically, now, it has to be of the current archive, not alpha 2, but ... | 16:19 |
| cjwatson | unless he already took a snapshot | 16:19 |
| slangasek | I'm hoping he did that part :) | 16:19 |
| Keybuk | whoah | 16:19 |
| Keybuk | hang on | 16:19 |
| Keybuk | spooling far too far ahead there | 16:19 |
| Keybuk | it has to be a snapshot of an archive, with a 586-optimised compiler provided for that snapshot | 16:19 |
| Keybuk | if we snapshot now but use last month's compiler, we're in the same crazy test we were before | 16:19 |
| cjwatson | right, doesn't Adam already have the necessary patch in hand | 16:19 |
| cjwatson | ? | 16:20 |
| Keybuk | no, he has a compiler package | 16:20 |
| Keybuk | and a snapshot of the archive taken while we were at UDS | 16:20 |
| Keybuk | at least, afaik | 16:21 |
| robbiew | Keybuk: can I assign the blueprint to you, since you are clearly "in the know" on this one? | 16:22 |
| Keybuk | robbiew: I thought it was assigned to me :p | 16:22 |
| robbiew | heh | 16:22 |
| robbiew | it is now | 16:22 |
| robbiew | [TOPIC] Feature Milestones | 16:23 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Feature Milestones | 16:23 |
| robbiew | I would like everyone to *try* to target their features to milestones this release | 16:23 |
| robbiew | and will look for this in any blueprint that I review | 16:24 |
| Keybuk | robbiew: can I target milestones for the next release? :) | 16:24 |
| robbiew | it's not a "set in stone" thing, but I think having some sort of target to shoot for (besides Beta) can help folks plan a little better | 16:24 |
| cjwatson | I haven't been doing that consistently in my reviews yet, I'm afraid | 16:24 |
| cjwatson | but I can start | 16:24 |
| robbiew | Keybuk: yeah...the boot performance stuff is a special case | 16:24 |
| robbiew | cjwatson: no worry | 16:24 |
| robbiew | I will be going over them all this week, anyway (yipee) | 16:25 |
| robbiew | so I can gently nudge people ;) | 16:25 |
| Keybuk | cjwatson: foundations-karmic-kms-console appears to be suddenly assigned to me too, it wasn't on Monday | 16:25 |
| Keybuk | I didn't take any notes about that one - and IS don't appear to have published the videos yet | 16:26 |
| Keybuk | can you remember what we agreed? I thought it went something like "leave it all alone" | 16:26 |
| cjwatson | was that one videotaped? | 16:26 |
| robbiew | I don't think so | 16:26 |
| mterry | Keybuk: That one was where you said, let's not run usplash | 16:27 |
| cjwatson | Keybuk: I have some memories of it but mostly of testing things to make sure they already worked right | 16:27 |
| mterry | Keybuk: I don't remember anything else really coming out of it | 16:27 |
| cjwatson | and yes, there was the only-run-usplash-when-necessary thing | 16:27 |
| cjwatson | what about X on VT1? | 16:27 |
| Keybuk | yeah, I put that decision into boot-performance | 16:27 |
| robbiew | do we need to obsolete it? | 16:27 |
| cjwatson | oh | 16:28 |
| cjwatson | there was something about using a userspace terminal application, wasn't there? | 16:28 |
| cjwatson | so that we could do better font display | 16:28 |
| Keybuk | that was far in the future ;) | 16:28 |
| * cjwatson nods | 16:28 | |
| liw | let's break one thing at a time... | 16:28 |
| mterry | I do remember X on VT1 | 16:28 |
| Keybuk | "one day, all this will be apartments" kind of thing | 16:28 |
| mterry | Have to tell GDM and then have to not run getty on it | 16:28 |
| Keybuk | mterry: oh, we could put that in and stuff | 16:29 |
| Keybuk | good point | 16:29 |
| Keybuk | there seems to be a few notes to put there | 16:29 |
| robbiew | heh | 16:29 |
| Keybuk | I shall draft | 16:29 |
| cjwatson | see the discussion on #whereveritwas yesterday, I listed a bunch of stuff I could think of that assume X not on vt1 | 16:29 |
| robbiew | oh yeah | 16:29 |
| robbiew | #ubuntu-devel? | 16:29 |
| liw | X on tty -> will that be conditional on X being installed? (e.g., servers might want getty on tty1 anyway) | 16:29 |
| liw | cjwatson, I saw it, so probably #ubuntu-devel | 16:29 |
| cjwatson | I think it was #canonical or #distro unfortunately, but there was nothing secret there, it could be copied and pasted into the spec :) | 16:30 |
| Keybuk | cjwatson: can't see anything on irclogs.ubuntu.com :( | 16:30 |
| cjwatson | you commented on the discussion while it was in progress so I rather assumed you'd seen it | 16:30 |
| Keybuk | doesn't mean I remember it ;) | 16:31 |
| liw | hmm... #distro yesterday at around 18:45? | 16:31 |
| robbiew | [ACTION] Keybuk to draft KMS on the Console spec....based on mysterious irc discussion | 16:31 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: Keybuk to draft KMS on the Console spec....based on mysterious irc discussion | 16:31 |
| liw | (UTC) | 16:31 |
| robbiew | heh | 16:31 |
| cjwatson | yeah, what liw said | 16:31 |
| cjwatson | (took me a moment to find my logs) | 16:31 |
| liw | Keybuk, if you need, I can e-mail you logs | 16:31 |
| Keybuk | liw: please | 16:32 |
| * Keybuk checks irclogs.canonical.com | 16:32 | |
| Keybuk | hah, we don't log #distro | 16:32 |
| cjwatson | Keybuk: you said something at one point about it being possible to run getty and X on tty1 simultaneously, with KMS | 16:32 |
| cjwatson | Keybuk: is this still believed to be true? | 16:32 |
| Keybuk | cjwatson: yeah you can | 16:32 |
| slangasek | Keybuk: RT 34671 for the snapshot stuff | 16:32 |
| Keybuk | cjwatson: of course, getty receives all the raw input events on its standard input | 16:32 |
| Keybuk | cjwatson: so it's a less-than-ideal situation | 16:32 |
| cjwatson | ah, right, so we really ought to kill getty in that case | 16:33 |
| cjwatson | otherwise we have an android kind of situation | 16:33 |
| liw | Keybuk, sent | 16:34 |
| Keybuk | yeah | 16:34 |
| Keybuk | though not quite | 16:34 |
| cjwatson | sure, you aren't logged in | 16:34 |
| cjwatson | unless you get lucky :) | 16:34 |
| Keybuk | because the raw input stream for the word "reboot" doesn't look much like "reboot" <g> | 16:34 |
| cjwatson | true | 16:34 |
| cjwatson | still, best not | 16:34 |
| Keybuk | well, indeed | 16:35 |
| robbiew | anything else before we move onto the sprint update (or lack thereof)? | 16:35 |
| robbiew | [TOPIC] Platform Sprint Update | 16:36 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Platform Sprint Update | 16:36 |
| robbiew | so.... | 16:37 |
| robbiew | still waiting on confirmation of the location | 16:37 |
| liw | the sprint invokes ct-uluhu | 16:37 |
| robbiew | the current situation is Dublin is the first candidate...pending some bandwidth confirmation | 16:37 |
| slangasek | robbiew: I sent in a request to Atlas about booking for DebConf + Dublin yesterday afternoon, and haven't heard anything back yet :P | 16:37 |
| robbiew | and Glasgow is the fallback | 16:37 |
| mterry | ahem, sorry dropped off for a sec | 16:37 |
| slangasek | robbiew: have you heard anything more from them? | 16:38 |
| robbiew | slangasek: I heard back just now...so they are probably just waking up :P | 16:38 |
| * robbiew forgot to provide the dates for the platform sprint :/ | 16:38 | |
| slangasek | I gave them plenty of time to reply yesterday afternoon :) | 16:38 |
| robbiew | so will wait for 2nd response | 16:38 |
| robbiew | for those planning on coming home after Debconf, you are clear to arrange travel for it | 16:39 |
| robbiew | and just wait on the Platform Sprint location to plan that travel | 16:39 |
| slangasek | yes, nothing like spending 3 days straight on a plane :) | 16:40 |
| robbiew | we, who cannot do such things, should get prices assuming Dublin....and then see how much it would be to change to Glasgow within the next week or so...if needed | 16:40 |
| * liw suspects he's never able to back home again, too much travel | 16:40 | |
| * robbiew has very little sympathy for liw's travel...heh | 16:41 | |
| robbiew | anyway...sorry I don't have more info, but rest assured that I will relay it as soon as I get it | 16:41 |
| robbiew | [TOPIC] 8.04.3 | 16:42 |
| MootBot | New Topic: 8.04.3 | 16:42 |
| robbiew | http://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+milestone/ubuntu-8.04.3 | 16:42 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+milestone/ubuntu-8.04.3 | 16:42 |
| robbiew | slangasek: how are we looking on this? anything you need from folks on the team? | 16:42 |
| cjwatson | is it true to say that any bug for which we haven't uploaded a fix yet is too late for .3? | 16:43 |
| cjwatson | (that's code for "should I be deferring 250400 rather than worrying about it") | 16:43 |
| robbiew | heh | 16:43 |
| slangasek | cjwatson: it's tending to be, but given that the schedule is loose we can make exceptions if we need them | 16:43 |
| slangasek | robbiew: overall I think we're ok | 16:44 |
| * evand uploaded a new casper earlier today that he'd really like to see in that exceptions list. | 16:45 | |
| slangasek | evand: noted, thanks | 16:45 |
| evand | thank you | 16:45 |
| cjwatson | casper's definitely more important than ssl-cert :) | 16:45 |
| robbiew | okay...moving on | 16:46 |
| robbiew | [TOPIC] Sponsorship Queue | 16:47 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Sponsorship Queue | 16:47 |
| cjwatson | for once, this week, I don't feel guilty at all | 16:48 |
| robbiew | last 30 days: | 16:48 |
| robbiew | cjwatson, 23 bug comments, 12 sponsored uploads vorlon, 18 bug comments, 6 sponsored uploads james-w, 10 bug comments, 7 sponsored uploads mvo, 7 bug comments, 12 sponsored uploads evand, 1 bug comments, 0 sponsored uploads doko, 0 bug comments, 1 sponsored uploads scott, 0 bug comments, 1 sponsored uploads liw, 0 bug comments, 0 sponsored uploads | 16:48 |
| * evand makes up for that guilt with his own. | 16:48 | |
| slangasek | whooo I beat james_w | 16:48 |
| robbiew | courtesy of jono...your lovely community manager :D | 16:49 |
| * liw can't sponsor and feels no shame :) | 16:49 | |
| cjwatson | we're all still hugely behind the desktop team | 16:49 |
| cjwatson | or indeed dholbach on his own | 16:49 |
| mvo | new gnome makes it somewhat easier to sponsor :) | 16:49 |
| robbiew | liw: so how is the MOTU progress? heh | 16:50 |
| robbiew | dholbach, 92 bug comments, 62 sponsored uploads | 16:50 |
| robbiew | :) | 16:50 |
| mvo | but it would be cool to get a similar sponsoring culture as #ubuntu-desktop | 16:50 |
| liw | robbiew, my MOTU progress is exactly where it should be right now, given the circumstances | 16:50 |
| mvo | dholbach: woah! | 16:50 |
| Keybuk | damnit, how did I get a 1 in there? | 16:51 |
| slangasek | presumably, "do this thing, then resubscribe u-m-s" doesn't show up in the comment count | 16:51 |
| * Keybuk has been trying to keep his score at 0 | 16:51 | |
| robbiew | heh | 16:51 |
| liw | are those all bug comments, or just to some subset of all bugs? | 16:51 |
| mvo | liw: just in the context of sponsoring bugs | 16:51 |
| robbiew | liw: dholbach should be able to give you the details on these numbers | 16:51 |
| mvo | (AFAIK) | 16:52 |
| cjwatson | comments on bugs to which ubuntu-{main,universe}-sponsors is subscribed | 16:52 |
| liw | right, I haven't touched any of those | 16:52 |
| * liw makes everyone else look good by being at the bottom | 16:52 | |
| robbiew | actually....robbie.w is at the bottom | 16:53 |
| mterry | liw: Don't steal *all* the credit, I'm not even listed | 16:53 |
| mvo | robbiew: how is the motu progress ;) ? | 16:53 |
| robbiew | but I left that off...since I have no plans of moving up | 16:53 |
| robbiew | mvo: about the same as liw, apparently :P | 16:53 |
| mvo | lol | 16:53 |
| Keybuk | robbiew: I was just going to say "I can add you to MOTU", then realised I can't! | 16:54 |
| cjwatson | we voted to keep you on the board, but sabdfl hasn't flipped the switch back yet ... | 16:54 |
| Keybuk | cjwatson: the TB doesn't get to elect its own members though | 16:54 |
| cjwatson | the question of expiry is ... unclear | 16:55 |
| cjwatson | appointments have always been officially for a year, but you and mdz were never reelected | 16:55 |
| robbiew | [TOPIC] AOB/Good News | 16:55 |
| MootBot | New Topic: AOB/Good News | 16:55 |
| Keybuk | at least I remembered to add myself to appropriate teams such as ubuntu-core-dev ;) | 16:56 |
| mdz | cjwatson, I can fix that | 16:56 |
| mdz | cjwatson, (the expiry) | 16:56 |
| cjwatson | please do :) | 16:56 |
| cjwatson | fixing the website description (aka constitution) to be a bit less at variance from reality would be nice too, but I think there's a bug about that ... | 16:56 |
| mvo | is there a timeline when the vfs based union mounts will land? | 16:56 |
| * mvo is eagger to try them with update-manager :) | 16:57 | |
| liw | does ubuntu participate in LCA? | 16:57 |
| robbiew | liw: LCA? | 16:57 |
| Keybuk | mvo: just waiting for a patch that works ;) | 16:57 |
| cjwatson | as in linux.conf.au? | 16:57 |
| robbiew | ah | 16:57 |
| liw | yeah, linux.conf.au | 16:57 |
| Keybuk | mvo: the current patch set conflicts with autofs in an interesting way | 16:57 |
| Keybuk | mvo: (you can't exec anything on a union mount, basically) | 16:58 |
| mvo | haha | 16:58 |
| mvo | not ideal ;) | 16:58 |
| Keybuk | liw: we've always traditionally attended, though it's a long way away so some people prefer not to | 16:58 |
| robbiew | liw: I think so...i recall davidm possibly going last year | 16:58 |
| mvo | is it realistic that it still lands for karmic even with those problems? | 16:58 |
| Keybuk | mvo: honestly, finding a few bugs makes me feel happier about it | 16:59 |
| davidm | robbiew, I did indeed go to LCA last year | 16:59 |
| cjwatson | Keybuk: YM you've got close enough to be *able* to find bugs? | 16:59 |
| Keybuk | I'd be scared if we had a patch and no bugs - because I'd want to know when the big arsed bug was going to bite us | 16:59 |
| Keybuk | cjwatson: that too | 16:59 |
| robbiew | liw: ^^^^ | 16:59 |
| mvo | ok | 16:59 |
| robbiew | FYI, slangasek, Keybuk, cjwatson, and me are in Millbank for the BootPerformance Sprint next week: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/BootPerformance/DebianUbuntuSprint | 16:59 |
| Keybuk | if I can mount the union, and apt-get dist-upgrade the contained squashfs, I'll be happy ;) | 16:59 |
| Keybuk | you mean we're not doing it on The Boat? | 17:00 |
| robbiew | heh | 17:00 |
| robbiew | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 11:00. | 17:00 |
| robbiew | need to end meeting...think QA is next | 17:00 |
| liw | thanks | 17:00 |
| mvo | thanks | 17:01 |
| slangasek | thankee | 17:01 |
| al-maisan | thanks! | 17:01 |
| heno | hi everyone | 17:59 |
| davmor2 | hello | 17:59 |
| sbeattie | hey | 17:59 |
| pedro_ | hola hola! | 18:00 |
| ara | hello :) | 18:00 |
| ogasawara | hi | 18:00 |
| eeejay | marhaba | 18:00 |
| * fader waves. | 18:01 | |
| heno | bdmurray is away today but might make an appearance | 18:01 |
| schwuk | hi | 18:02 |
| heno | #startmeeting | 18:02 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 12:02. The chair is heno. | 18:02 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 18:02 |
| heno | doesn't look like https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Meetings has really been updated | 18:02 |
| heno | but many items are still relevant :) | 18:03 |
| pedro_ | indeed | 18:03 |
| heno | [TOPIC] UbuntuBugDay highlights -- pedro | 18:03 |
| MootBot | New Topic: UbuntuBugDay highlights -- pedro | 18:03 |
| pedro_ | past Thursday we celebrated a hug day based on update-manager and update-notifier | 18:04 |
| pedro_ | we had a really good participation from the bugsquad as you can see per: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20090611 | 18:04 |
| * heno did a quick edit | 18:04 | |
| pedro_ | the heroes of that day are: mr-toph, jgoguen, showard314, Kamus, micahg | 18:05 |
| pedro_ | thanks a lot folks for helping us ;-) | 18:05 |
| heno | rock! | 18:05 |
| heno | thanks pedro_ | 18:05 |
| pedro_ | and tomorrow we are celebrating a hug day based on empathy: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20090618 | 18:05 |
| davmor2 | could be fun | 18:05 |
| pedro_ | so feel free to join us, triage some bugs, test the new application and file some bugs as well ;-) | 18:05 |
| heno | pedro_: should we talk about rb and pidgin bugs? | 18:06 |
| pedro_ | if we have time, yeah | 18:06 |
| heno | it would be valuable to have bdmurray here for that though | 18:07 |
| heno | pedro_: you said you were taking it up with the desktop team this/next week? | 18:07 |
| pedro_ | heno: ok , let me raise that with the desktop folks and we can talk about it on the next meeting | 18:07 |
| heno | ok, great | 18:07 |
| pedro_ | exactly | 18:08 |
| heno | [TOPIC] qa.u.c landing page. Any news? | 18:08 |
| MootBot | New Topic: qa.u.c landing page. Any news? | 18:08 |
| heno | AFAICS it's no longer blocked on server access | 18:08 |
| heno | schwuk: ? | 18:08 |
| * ara is looking forward to seeing a beautiful landing page | 18:09 | |
| schwuk | heno: Last I heard it was waiting on IS to finsihed the migration, but no action. I've poked the last IS'er to touch it. | 18:09 |
| schwuk | And he's just come back with "it's very high on my list, in fact it's top" | 18:09 |
| pedro_ | where was the mock up of the landing page? | 18:10 |
| * pedro_ can't find it | 18:10 | |
| heno | schwuk: ok. let me know if it's still pending on them Friday | 18:10 |
| schwuk | heno: yes | 18:10 |
| * cr3 heno I'm surprised the IS team has time to go around servers and purge packages, such as my latex requirements, and not finish the landing page already <grumble> :) | 18:11 | |
| ara | pedro_: http://people.ubuntu.com/~schwuk/homepage/ | 18:11 |
| pedro_ | ara: gracias | 18:11 |
| heno | [TOPIC] SRU Verifications -- sbeattie | 18:12 |
| MootBot | New Topic: SRU Verifications -- sbeattie | 18:12 |
| sbeattie | Two bits: | 18:12 |
| sbeattie | First up, thanks to Fumihito YOSHIDA and the Japanese LoCo team, Imtiaz Rahi Russ Miranda, and Arnaud Quette for helping out toverify fixes this week. | 18:12 |
| ara | schwuk: before it is too late... there is already a broken link | 18:12 |
| schwuk | ara: well stop renaming projects! | 18:13 |
| ara | schwuk: what was the new name for hwtest that I just forgot? | 18:13 |
| ara | schwuk: :P | 18:13 |
| sbeattie | and second, the next testing day will focus on SRU verifications for the upcoming 8.04.3 point release: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/UbuntuTestingDay/20090622 | 18:13 |
| schwuk | ara: touche! | 18:13 |
| sbeattie | (that page is still in progress) | 18:13 |
| pedro_ | there's quite a lot of hw specific bugs to verify there, eek | 18:14 |
| sbeattie | Yeah, it'd be great if people could look that over to see if they have that hardware. | 18:15 |
| pedro_ | sbeattie: what do you think about doing a blog post with a list of the required hardware for those bugs and ask people to test that packages? | 18:15 |
| sbeattie | pedro_: I think it'd be a good idea. | 18:15 |
| pedro_ | planet ubuntu has a wider audience | 18:15 |
| cr3 | sbeattie: I certainly have some hardware, like the 1420N somewhere near the top of the list | 18:15 |
| * heno agrees | 18:16 | |
| sbeattie | cr3|fader: that's another point; once we get 8.04.3 isos going, can we do a round of the certification testing on them? | 18:16 |
| cr3 | sbeattie: yep | 18:16 |
| fader | sbeattie: That shouldn't be a problem | 18:17 |
| sbeattie | awesome! | 18:17 |
| heno | great! | 18:17 |
| sbeattie | expect nagging. :-) | 18:17 |
| heno | ok, thanks sbeattie | 18:17 |
| heno | [TOPIC] Spec Roadmap review -- heno | 18:18 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Spec Roadmap review -- heno | 18:18 |
| schwuk | ara: fixed | 18:19 |
| heno | just 3 specs not approved now | 18:19 |
| ara | schwuk: thanks | 18:19 |
| ogasawara | heno: both mine (kernel bug handling and hwdb) are finished drafting and just pending review | 18:19 |
| heno | and tomorrow is the project wide drop-dead date | 18:19 |
| heno | ogasawara: we need to nag pgraner harder ;) | 18:20 |
| heno | or I can help review them, just let me know, pgraner | 18:20 |
| heno | and finally the checkbox enhancements spec needs more detail | 18:21 |
| heno | schwuk: do you need help with that? | 18:21 |
| ogasawara | schwuk: I added a use case to that spec yesterday, hope you don't mind | 18:21 |
| schwuk | heno: site is live - there's some more cleanup to do WRT CSS, but we're not blocked on IS anymore. | 18:21 |
| schwuk | heno: No - still adding more detail. | 18:22 |
| schwuk | ogasawara: I saw - thanks! | 18:22 |
| heno | woho - excellent timing! | 18:22 |
| heno | http://qa.ubuntu.com/ | 18:22 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://qa.ubuntu.com/ | 18:22 |
| ara | \o/ | 18:22 |
| pedro_ | woohoo! | 18:23 |
| ogasawara | nice! | 18:23 |
| fader | Huzzah! | 18:23 |
| heno | schwuk: ok, I'll want to do a final spec review tomorrow | 18:23 |
| davmor2 | yay! | 18:23 |
| heno | yeah, it would be nice to have link colours match u.c | 18:24 |
| schwuk | heno: noted | 18:24 |
| heno | schwuk: can you clean up a few things like that and then blog about it? | 18:24 |
| schwuk | heno: sure | 18:25 |
| heno | great | 18:25 |
| schwuk | For everyone else: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-qa-website/+filebug :) | 18:25 |
| heno | any other topics? | 18:25 |
| heno | #endmeeting | 18:27 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 12:27. | 18:27 |
| heno | that was quick! | 18:27 |
| schwuk | \o/ | 18:27 |
| schwuk | thanks heno | 18:27 |
| pedro_ | thanks you guys | 18:27 |
| davmor2 | thanks | 18:27 |
| ara | thanks everyone | 18:27 |
| sbeattie | thanks everyone. | 18:27 |
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