| hugo303 | Fiveby5184 | 10:43 |
|---|---|---|
| hugo303 | *slaps his head, hard, and changes password | 10:45 |
| Keybuk | d'oh | 10:46 |
| rikard | Does anyone know how to get upstart 0.3.9 to work with multiple dependencies? | 12:30 |
| Keybuk | it doesn't | 12:39 |
| === Keybuk changed the topic of #upstart to: Upstart 0.3.10 "Two minutes to Belgium" | Upstart 0.5.1 "Unexpected item in bagging area" | http://upstart.ubuntu.com/ | “Unable to set oom adjustment”? Mount /proc before running init. | ||
| sadmac | Keybuk: I didn't know there was going to be a 0.3.10... | 14:26 |
| * sadmac would have written a lot more patches | 14:26 | |
| Keybuk | heh | 14:27 |
| Keybuk | I didn't necessarily plan one | 14:27 |
| Keybuk | but assert() bugs are always worth fixing | 14:27 |
| sadmac | damn, you should have held it up. I could have fixed 10 minor annoyances over the weekend. | 14:27 |
| sadmac | Red Hat BZ is full of 3-liner "flag foo is missing from shutdown" type patches | 14:28 |
| sadmac | well, its full of the complaints anyway | 14:28 |
| Keybuk | those don't seem worth fixing ;) | 14:30 |
| Keybuk | once you cave in and agree an option should exist, you have to keep it forever | 14:31 |
| sadmac | Keybuk: you did say "SysV compatible" when you released. RH Engineering is holding you to that quite rigorously. | 14:38 |
| sadmac | Keybuk: also, you could have cleaned up/taken the "preserve state across re-exec" patch | 14:38 |
| sadmac | fedora carries it | 14:39 |
| Keybuk | no I didn't | 14:39 |
| Keybuk | that's obvious by the fact Upstart doesn't read /etc/inittab <g> | 14:39 |
| Keybuk | preserve state across re-exec -> then that would have to be supported by 0.5 and 0.10 | 14:40 |
| sadmac | Keybuk: I seriously hope we're going to support that... | 14:40 |
| Keybuk | support which? | 14:40 |
| sadmac | preserving state across reload | 14:43 |
| Keybuk | yes | 14:43 |
| Keybuk | and once I do, that API will never be broken | 14:43 |
| Keybuk | which is why I'm being slightly hesistant of writing down that API | 14:43 |
| * Keybuk tries to figure out his branch mess | 14:47 | |
| Keybuk | *ahem* | 14:47 |
| sadmac | Keybuk: I think introducing it into 0.3.* wouldn't be harmful. 0.5+ breaks from that in so many ways anyway | 14:47 |
| sadmac | by 0.10 state transfer between minors wouldn't even make sense. 0.10 state doesn't even look that much like 0.3.9 state | 14:48 |
| Keybuk | exactly my point? | 14:57 |
| sadmac | Keybuk: so why not carry the 0.3 patch and retire the release in style? | 14:58 |
| Keybuk | better question, why carry the patch? | 14:59 |
| Keybuk | carrying it will suddenly bless that API, and there will be bugs when it doesn't work in future | 15:00 |
| Keybuk | it doesn't cost you anything to apply it in Fedora after all | 15:00 |
| sadmac | you can close with ENOTSUPP | 15:00 |
| Keybuk | but it must be supported | 15:00 |
| Keybuk | the patch is in the release | 15:00 |
| Keybuk | see what I mean | 15:00 |
| Keybuk | if I apply the patch and release with it, I'm declaring it supported | 15:00 |
| sadmac | which it will be, in the 0.3.9 series only | 15:00 |
| sadmac | across minors, you can just say "no" | 15:01 |
| Keybuk | hmm, it's not an unconvincing argument ;) | 15:07 |
| Keybuk | if you could file a bug (target 0.3), clean up and attach the patch (making sure it has test cases) - I'll do a 0.3.11 with it | 15:07 |
| sadmac | sweet. I might compile a list of other things that might suit a 0.3.11. You can line-item those when I get them (they'll all be comparatively tiny) | 15:09 |
| * sadmac wonders what else we're carrying in CVS... | 15:10 | |
| sadmac | shouldn't be much... | 15:10 |
| sadmac | oh wow. 9 patches. | 15:11 |
| sadmac | force-on-shutdown-reboot is a genuine bugfix. you'll want that. | 15:12 |
| Keybuk | sure, file bugs on them | 15:12 |
| sadmac | will do. | 15:12 |
| Keybuk | use the "Target to release" thingy to set them as 0.3 | 15:12 |
| Keybuk | (you can also tag 0.5 and trunk that way too) | 15:12 |
| sadmac | Keybuk: is ubuntu built on gcc43+ yet? | 15:13 |
| sadmac | we're still carrying a patch to add a header file that needs | 15:13 |
| Keybuk | yes | 15:13 |
| Keybuk | limits.h? | 15:13 |
| Keybuk | that one went into 0.3.10 | 15:13 |
| sadmac | yeah | 15:13 |
| sadmac | cool | 15:13 |
| Keybuk | as did an amd64 fix | 15:13 |
| sadmac | Keybuk: oh, want to roll our events.5 manpage into a general release? | 15:14 |
| Keybuk | sure | 15:14 |
| sadmac | cool | 15:14 |
| ion_ | CVS⁈ | 15:15 |
| sadmac | I'll have all this filed by saturday (earlier if my date stands me up tonight) | 15:15 |
| sadmac | ion_: don't remind me | 15:15 |
| sadmac | ion_: Fedora packages are in CVS. We have one branch per release. Inside each branch is an rpm specfile and all the patches we apply (upstream tarballs are kept separate in a lookaside cache and pulled in when we build) | 15:19 |
| sadmac | its actually fairly easy to work with. we have a makefile that does the hard stuff. | 15:20 |
| sadmac | cahnge specfile, copy in patch, commit, make tag, make build | 15:21 |
| * Keybuk tries to make util build again | 15:22 | |
| Keybuk | shutdown.c: In function ‘shutdown_now’: | 15:23 |
| Keybuk | shutdown.c:490: error: too few arguments to function ‘nih_dbus_proxy_new’ | 15:23 |
| sadmac | phantastiq | 15:23 |
| Keybuk | builds now ;) | 15:28 |
| sadmac | 5 minutes. Not bad. But can you do it in space? | 15:29 |
| Keybuk | I _AM_ in space | 15:30 |
| sadmac | The boss took you along on his vacation this year? | 15:31 |
| Keybuk | I wish | 15:31 |
| ion_ | I am in time. | 15:32 |
| Keybuk | the most we get for good behaviour is a ride in the jet | 15:32 |
| sadmac | I think Shuttleworth jokes are the equivalent of saying "your mom" to an Ubuntu dev. | 15:32 |
| sadmac | at least the spaceboy ones. | 15:32 |
| Keybuk | Your CEO is so dull he worked for Delta | 15:33 |
| Keybuk | etc. | 15:33 |
| sadmac | Jim's actually a lot more fun than I thought. Not as intimidating as Szulik, but he drinks the Kool-aid, which is nice | 15:35 |
| sadmac | runs rockbox on his iPod | 15:36 |
| sadmac | look forward to the release of Red Hat Enterprise Music Bus soon | 15:36 |
| sadmac | echo -e '#include<pthread.h>\n#include<unistd.h>\nmain(){pthread_t | 15:39 |
| sadmac | t;pthread_create(&t,NULL,pause,NULL);pause();}'|gcc -o t -x c - -pthread | 15:39 |
| sadmac | thats... a new way to specify a reproducer in BZ... | 15:39 |
| Keybuk | BZ? | 15:44 |
| Keybuk | oh, BugZilla | 15:45 |
| Keybuk | damnit, the 0.3 code is easier to read than the 0.5 | 15:46 |
| sadmac | Keybuk: what's the cause? | 15:50 |
| Keybuk | sadmac: of the code being easier to read? | 16:03 |
| sadmac | Keybuk: rather of it being harder. Is there a particular disease? | 16:04 |
| Keybuk | I don't like the way blocked stuff is done in 0.5 basically | 16:04 |
| Keybuk | then again, at least it work s:p | 16:05 |
| Keybuk | ...with respawn of running while post-start process | 16:05 |
| Keybuk | test:job_process.c:1090: Assertion failed in job_process_terminated: job->state == JOB_POST_START | 16:05 |
| Keybuk | \o/ | 16:05 |
| sadmac | | | 16:05 |
| sadmac | \ | 16:05 |
| sadmac | there's a regular on fedora-devel-list who's name is listed as King InuYasha | 16:06 |
| sadmac | I can't tell if he's serious or not | 16:06 |
| Keybuk | now, if distcheck would just pass ... | 18:45 |
| sadmac | Keybuk: what's up with it? | 18:47 |
| Keybuk | just taking its time | 18:48 |
| Keybuk | there's no reason it shouldn't pass | 18:48 |
| Keybuk | but I'm paranoid | 18:48 |
| Keybuk | and out-of-tree builds hate me | 18:48 |
| ion_ | A process too slow? Throw more hardware at it. :-) | 18:49 |
| Keybuk | /home/scott/co/upstart-0.5/upstart-0.5.2/_build/util/../../util/initctl.c:349: undefined reference to `job_get_name_sync' | 18:50 |
| Keybuk | see | 18:50 |
| Keybuk | HATRE | 18:50 |
| Keybuk | HATE | 18:50 |
| sadmac | carpe odium | 18:50 |
| * Keybuk waits again | 18:53 | |
| Keybuk | Too Many Test Cases | 18:53 |
| sadmac | Keybuk: we could probably parallellize a lot of them if we thought about how | 18:54 |
| === Keybuk changed the topic of #upstart to: Upstart 0.5.2 "Something, something, something, D-Bus" | Upstart 0.3.10 "Two minutes to Belgium" | http://upstart.ubuntu.com/ | ||
| ion_ | Next up: 0.10. :-P | 19:12 |
| sadmac | Keybuk: we went to GPLv3? I thought your license preferences tended the other way | 19:13 |
| sadmac | Keybuk: you rewrote nih_dbus_tool in expat? | 19:15 |
| sadmac | *or rather in C | 19:15 |
| keesj | http://paste-it.net/raw/public/j16d3e1/ same kind of error undefined reference to `dbus_message_iter_abandon_container' | 19:23 |
| keesj | that one looks more like a dbus thing actualy | 19:23 |
| mbiebl | Is that related to the D-Bus patch that Scott referenced in his announcement email? | 19:45 |
| mbiebl | Keybuk: what bad things will happen, if this patch is not applied? | 19:46 |
| Keybuk | sadmac: my licence preferences don't apply to Upstart | 19:47 |
| Keybuk | that's up to Canonical ;) | 19:47 |
| Keybuk | keesj: see NEWS | 19:47 |
| Keybuk | mbiebl: Upstart won't combile, obv :) | 19:47 |
| sadmac | Keybuk: oic | 19:48 |
| mbiebl | Keybuk: ah,ok. So keesj' problems are indeed related to this missing dbus patch | 19:48 |
| Keybuk | you can replace _abandon_ with _close_ | 19:49 |
| Keybuk | but then libdbus will randomly assert() on you | 19:49 |
| Keybuk | you can remove the lines, but then you'll get a memory leak | 19:51 |
| * sadmac is near to cleaning up the hideous locking in linux's wait*() syscalls | 19:51 | |
| sadmac | no more quantum-critical sections! | 19:51 |
| Keybuk | cisco in "whinging about licensing" again shocker | 19:58 |
| keesj | I have the same problem . I feel very sorry | 19:59 |
| * keesj goes and reads the GPLV3 again | 20:02 | |
| Keybuk | keesj: why? | 20:11 |
| Keybuk | What is it about v2->v3 that you don't like? | 20:12 |
| keesj | I don't think is about liking or not. at least at work we gplv3 will be very hard(read impossible) to sell. | 20:14 |
| Keybuk | you don't ship any current versions of FSF software? | 20:14 |
| Keybuk | what version of gcc do you use? | 20:14 |
| keesj | our company has booth hardware and things like maps they really like to sell | 20:15 |
| Keybuk | you can sell hardware with GPLv3 software on it | 20:15 |
| keesj | we use recent gcc like 4.2 but that doesn't pose restrictions on the software we create | 20:15 |
| keesj | I can sell a close source project compiled with gcc so that is not a good example | 20:16 |
| Keybuk | gcc 4.2 is under the GPLv3 | 20:16 |
| Keybuk | which version of coreutils do you use? | 20:16 |
| keesj | don't know something relased with the code sourcery we use let met check | 20:17 |
| Keybuk | CodeSourcery the company/products? | 20:17 |
| keesj | the toolchain | 20:17 |
| Keybuk | they're partners of Canonical, and certainly include GPLv3 pieces | 20:17 |
| keesj | nope , well perhaps lgpl | 20:18 |
| Keybuk | (you know that GPLv2 software can't be linked with LGPLv3 right? :p | 20:19 |
| Keybuk | so every single piece of GPLv2+ software on a system linked to an LGPLv3 library is automatically GPLv3 :p) | 20:19 |
| keesj | well I guess I need to find an other job :p | 20:20 |
| Keybuk | seriously though | 20:20 |
| Keybuk | why the concern? | 20:21 |
| Keybuk | we do work in the embedded and mobile spaces | 20:21 |
| Keybuk | no GPLv3 trouble there | 20:21 |
| keesj | dear Mister GSM provider please provice us the source code for your GSM stack so we can abuse your network, and make your device not FCC compliant | 20:25 |
| sadmac | oh boy do people ever have some funny ideas about what this license means | 20:26 |
| Keybuk | you don't need the source any more than you do in GPLv2 | 20:26 |
| Keybuk | you can ship GPLv3 code in the same system as commercial code | 20:26 |
| Keybuk | just as you can with GPLv2 | 20:26 |
| keesj | no it's not about source it's about freedom for the devloper ! | 20:27 |
| Keybuk | huh? | 20:28 |
| sadmac | keesj: what freedom do you think has gone missing? | 20:28 |
| keesj | well the "tivoization" part for example or wanting keep control over what software runs on the embedded device | 20:29 |
| sadmac | keesj: what's wrong with that? I paid for the damn device. | 20:30 |
| sadmac | and LGPLv3 strikes all of that | 20:30 |
| sadmac | explicitly | 20:30 |
| sadmac | brb kernel | 20:31 |
| keesj | Well quite frankly I will check the license of the binutils and such but for the moment assume GPLV3 is not OK | 20:38 |
| sadmac | Keybuk: I don't see your patch in linus yet. Who said they took it? | 21:16 |
| joshk | is there a way to print something to tty0 even during a quiet boot? | 23:27 |
| joshk | i have this /etc/rc.local file that takes a while to run | 23:27 |
| joshk | i've tried: stderr, and log_*_msg from /lib/lsb/init-functions, and nothing shows up | 23:27 |
| joshk | i guess upstart is filtering out all of stderr and stdout. There's no way to work around that? | 23:28 |
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