/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/06/18/#kubuntu-devel.txt

javiok done, there it goes, straight to JontheEchidna neverending list :D00:16
javione last thing before going to bed, is there going to be akonadi support for google calendar on 4.3?00:21
vorian250300:25
javigoodnight00:31
JontheEchidna250200:41
JontheEchidnalol @ bug 1325400:42
ubottuLaunchpad bug 13254 in gtk "GTK File selector" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1325400:42
shtylmananyone had any luck with inkscape?00:42
JontheEchidnaI don't think GTK's file dialog will ever make me not want to kill kittens00:42
JontheEchidnaIt'd be a papercut except it's a big fscking gash00:43
shtylmanhahaha00:44
ScottKNew catagory: "Gaping Paper Cut".00:50
rgreeningScottK: hey00:53
rgreeningyou get over my snoring yet ScottK? yer ears still ringing? :P00:54
rgreeningScottK: have you seen my blogs/work on usb-creator-kde?00:54
* rgreening is feeling chatty00:55
JontheEchidna<3 integrating programs with kde400:57
JontheEchidnalittle effort, noticable improvements00:57
rgreening:)00:57
JontheEchidnacan be interesting at times, since jockey does its own command line parsing00:59
JontheEchidnaif jockey had been KDE from the start they wouldn't have to do such things :P00:59
shtylmanis there any hope of replace the awefill network manager icons?01:00
nelleryif CMakeLists.txt is not in the root directory, is there some way to specifiy its location, or should it just be moved?01:02
rgreeningshtylman: sebas blogged about want help with that. Maybe kwwii can help...01:04
ScottKrgreening: I have seen them.01:09
ScottKGood for you.01:10
ScottKshtylman: Did you file a bug on Karbon about not being able to scale by pixels?01:13
shtylmanScottK: no...its not a matter of scale by pixels...they don't list pixels as a unit01:14
shtylmanits more of a feature request01:14
ScottKshtylman: Yes, it'd be a wishlist bug.01:14
ScottKConsidering it a sufficiently important lack to cause you to use a non-KDE tool, I think it's worth asking.01:15
shtylmanI see...01:16
super__radis there a reason kubuntu doesn't include a torrent program on the cd? Would be nice to have either ktorrent or the new qt port of transmission on the cd01:16
ScottKsuper__rad: Are you sure ktorrent isn't on the CD?01:17
ScottKI show it as being part of kubuntu-desktop.01:18
super__radi installed ubuntu karmic alpha2 then installed the kubuntu-desktop package and ktorrent wasnt installed01:19
* ScottK investigates further.01:19
ScottKsuper__rad: What architecture?01:20
super__rad6401:21
ScottKLooks like it's only seeded for i386 for some reason.01:22
ScottKI'll look into it.01:22
super__radah right, thought it was a bit strange that it wasn't installed.01:23
ScottKsuper__rad: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/kubuntu.karmic/revision/769 - amd64 was full, so something had to go.01:25
super__radah right01:27
ScottKNo k3b either, fwiw01:27
super__radyeah had just noticed that aswell01:28
seelerickspencer3: pong01:29
rickspencer3seele: hi01:29
rickspencer3unfortunately, I need to go very soon01:29
seelerickspencer3: ok, tomorrow morning then?01:29
rickspencer3but I was wondering if you had made progress on the plan for 100 paper cuts?01:29
seelei started on an email to send to kubuntu-devel but it didn't make it out yet01:30
rickspencer3ok01:30
seelei'm stuck on how we do the community part of the bug selection01:30
rickspencer3so, for full disclosure, I already talked to ivanka about this01:30
rickspencer3and she is amenable, but I told her that *you* would be playing the Ux role for Kubuntu01:30
rickspencer3is that ok?01:30
seeleyes, that is fine with me :)01:31
seelei just need to figure out how to integrate with everyone else.. i'm still grabbing at straw right now01:31
rickspencer3you just need people to start adding bug tasks to the 100 paper cuts project, I think01:32
rickspencer3then you go through and set them to "invalid" if they are not paper cuts by the definition01:32
rickspencer3(in other words, my advice is to not over think it)01:33
seeleok.. so do we import kde bugs or just create new bugs? that's the part i'm confused about01:33
rickspencer3both01:33
seelei dont know how that bug system stuff works, i dont triage01:33
seeleok01:33
rickspencer3if there is an existing bug, you can create a bug task for it in the hunderpapercuts project01:33
rickspencer3so there is a parent child relationship Bugs have bug tasks01:34
rickspencer3so a single bug can have tasks in multiple projects01:34
rickspencer3in this way, a valid bug can be put into the paper cuts project, and set to invalid as a "paper cut" but not invalid as a bug, per se01:34
rickspencer3(that made no sense :P )01:34
seelehmm.. ok01:34
seelehow long is phase 1 and the period for people to submit papercuts?01:35
rickspencer3well ... I think it's drawing to a close, but I am sure there is flexibility to make it work for Kubuntu01:35
rickspencer3let's talk tomorrow01:35
seeleok01:35
rickspencer3my family is begging me to come away to dinner ;)01:36
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rickspencer3-afkbye bye01:36
* seele waves01:36
* DaskreeCH waves01:38
DaskreeCHseele: I had started making a set of paper cuts before RL kicked in01:39
JontheEchidna2,500: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.searchtext=kde01:39
seeleNightrose: will you be aruond tomorrow? i might need your help rallying the user troopers01:44
seeleJontheEchidna: so that is an import of bugs.kde.org?01:45
Nightroseseele: probably01:45
* seele doesnt know how this stuff works01:45
seeleNightrose: ok. once i figure out what to do, i might need help figuring out where all the users are01:45
Nightrosehehe alright01:45
JontheEchidnaseele: that's all of the bugs people have reported to ubuntu that contain the word "kde" in them01:45
seelei only ever work with developers so i'm not sure who uses forums or whatever01:45
DaskreeCHI think that's a cross section of where KDE has issues that people have reported from Ubuntu01:46
Nightroseyea - let's talk about it tomorrow01:46
Nightrosei am too tired atm01:46
Nightroseshould have been in bed two hours ago :D01:46
* DaskreeCH takes Nightrose to bed01:46
Nightrose\o/01:46
seeleJontheEchidna: ah.. see.. there are probably lots of good papercut bugs on bugs.kde.org because they get all kinds of junk01:46
seeleNightrose: ni'01:46
JontheEchidnayeah, I'd agree01:46
JontheEchidnatheir wishlist stuff generally goes untended01:47
JontheEchidnathey need a wishsquad and a bugsquad :P01:47
seelemaybe we can get non-kubuntu users invovled by posting those types of bugs to launchpad. since a lot of our stuff goes back upstream they benefit too01:47
DaskreeCHFile a bug for that against bugsquad01:47
seeleand say what? i dont understand01:48
seelethey triage right? they dont actually file the bugs?01:49
DaskreeCHseele: Yeah I was making a joke we should file a bug for bugsquad that they are missing a Wishsquad01:50
DaskreeCH(which is essentailly a wish bug)01:51
vorian249901:52
vorianJontheEchidna: haha01:56
voriandude, that kmines bug is trippy01:56
JontheEchidnayeah, quite the upstream discussion01:56
JontheEchidna249801:58
DaskreeCHwhich bug?01:58
JontheEchidnabug 38711301:58
ubottuLaunchpad bug 387113 in kdegames "kmines show where mines are..." [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/38711301:58
DaskreeCHQuassel is really annoying me now01:59
voriani saw a .2 release of an irc client01:59
vorianhuh, maybe not02:04
jjesseanyone able to package and update choqoK?  there is a new 0.6.1 which fixes the bug where it won't receive updates from twitter02:23
jjessei filed a bug about it on bugs.kde.org and the author closed the bug as resolved in .6.102:24
vorianjjesse: it's in karmic, and a backport has been requested02:26
jjessevorian: yay02:27
DaskreeCHWait 0.6 is in backports? I though that 0.4 was Jaunty02:27
vorianhttp://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=default&section=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=choqok02:27
jjesseDaskreeCH: yes i am currently runing .6 from backports02:28
jjessehowever it doesn't receive twitter updates02:28
DaskreeCHAh sweet02:28
jjessewell sweet its in backports, not sweet it doesn't receive updates from twitter02:30
DaskreeCHhttps://edge.launchpad.net/~neversfelde/+archive/ppa02:30
jjesseoh yay02:31
jjessehrmm should i add yet another PPA02:34
jjesseor wait for the backport02:34
DaskreeCHAdd it install then remove it and wait for the backport to catch up :)02:37
shtylmanRiddell: did you say no branding on the installer? :( ... but it filles the space so nicely ... (sad) ...02:39
DaskreeCHWas there a Kubuntu meeting recently?02:40
vorianyeah, last night02:41
vorianit was wild02:41
vorianbooze02:41
voriandrugs02:41
DaskreeCHdamn I was out last night. Where are the logs?02:41
vorianuno momento!02:41
vorianDaskreeCH: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/06/17/%23kubuntu-devel.txt02:43
vorianit's fantastic luck, the way the time/day of the meeting start02:43
DaskreeCH:-D03:06
DaskreeCHHa ha I love rickspencer3 as well :)03:09
DaskreeCHvorian:03:29
DaskreeCHhttp://zekecoma.blogspot.com/2009/06/aki-v002-released.html03:29
* vorian looks03:29
vorianyah!03:30
vorianneeds packaging03:30
DaskreeCHWOuld be really neat of all these people writing things that we already have already would put some time into something like nepomuk03:31
vorianhmm03:32
vorianlooks a lot like konversation03:32
DaskreeCHPreach it03:35
vorianneversfelde: other thing - un-assign yourself when you subscribe sponsors03:54
yuriyseele: so maybe when people put a kde bug in the papercuts project they should assign it to you?04:42
yuriyso you can accept/invalidate without looking through all the papercuts bugs04:43
LaserJockhi all, just thought I'd drop by and say well done on Jaunty. It seems to be the best KDE4 I've tried yet05:12
DaskreeCHLaserJock: Aww shucks :)05:13
DaskreeCHLaserJock: Now to get you to come in and say that everytime we have a new version :)05:14
LaserJockwell, it certainly has been getting better over time05:14
LaserJockcoming from more of the GNOME side I'm amazed that you guys pump out whole new upstream releases on stable Kubuntu releases05:15
nixternaloi oi07:39
nixternalRiddell: http://www.nixternal.com/files/kubuntu-qa-feedback.plasmoid07:39
nixternalAlpha 1 :)07:40
MamarokJontheEchidna: any plans on packages of Amarok 2.1.1 ? an important bugfix btw :)08:30
Riddell>plasmapkg -i kubuntu-qa-feedback.plasmoid09:56
RiddellInstallation of /home/jr/src/feedback/kubuntu-qa-feedback.plasmoid failed.09:56
Riddellnixternal: got any source?09:57
Riddell    from PyKDE4 import plasmascript09:58
RiddellImportError: cannot import name plasmascript09:58
Riddelloh, hmm, pykde problem09:58
Mamarokhm, we get that agoin with the backports-PPA:09:58
Mamarokdpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase-workspace-dev_4%3a4.2.90-0ubuntu1~jaunty1~ppa2_i386.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/libkephal.so', which is also in package kdebase-workspace-bin09:58
RiddellMamarok: ok, let me fix10:01
MamarokRiddell: thx10:02
RiddellI wonder if RPM has problems with overlapping files10:04
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Quintasanhiho10:04
Mamarokno idea, but I remember RPM to be a real dependency hell from ym Mandrake times10:05
Riddellfix uploaded10:06
Quintasanhow come I don't have plasmapkg binary?10:10
RiddellQuintasan: install the new kdebase-runtime10:16
Riddellnixternal: ooh it worked10:19
Riddellbut I had to move plasmascript out from python-support10:19
MamarokRiddell: here comes another one: dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase-runtime_4%3a4.2.90-0ubuntu1~jaunty1~ppa2_amd64.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/kde4/libexec/kdesu', which is also in package kdesudo10:20
Riddellhum, that is more tricky10:20
Riddellthat's a dpkg diverts issue10:21
QuintasanRiddell: helped in Karmic but not in Jaunty10:23
Riddellanyone remember what we agreed to do with that diverts?10:23
Mamarokbtw, any chance to see packages for Amarok 2.1.1 soon? people are asking for it10:27
Riddellthere's a new amarok?10:34
Mamarokof course, a bugfix release of 2.110:34
MamarokNightrose sent mail to the packagers almost 10 days ago AFAIK10:35
Mamarokrelease was yesterday10:35
Riddellfooey10:36
Mamaroktagging was last Friday10:36
* Riddell gets onto it10:36
MamarokRiddell: thanks :)10:36
javithere is a problem with strigi in karmic alpha2, at least under amd6410:46
javii need to do sudo ln -s /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/lib/i386/server/libjvm.so10:46
javi/usr/lib/libjvm.so10:46
Riddelljavi: not really our area, file a bug on java, we only do KDE here10:47
javior the strigi group under desktop search in system settings will complaint: "sudo ln -s /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/lib/i386/server/libjvm.so10:47
javi/usr/lib/libjvm.so10:47
javi>_<10:48
javiit will say "strigi service failed to initialize, most likely due to an instalation problem"10:48
javii've been looking to kdebugs and sebas says is more a packaging issue10:48
javihttps://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19354110:51
ubottuKDE bug 193541 in general "Useless error message: "Strigi service failed to initialize"" [Normal,Reopened]10:51
* sebas notes that sebas != trueg10:59
javiups, I'm sorry10:59
javiso, do i report this to launchpad or where?11:03
jussi01!bug | javi11:05
ubottujavi: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug using the command « ubuntu-bug <package> » If that fails, you can report bugs manually at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug - Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots11:05
Tonio_hi11:22
Tonio_Riddell: update-notifier-kde broken....11:22
Tonio_Riddell: the link in /usr/bin is broken11:22
Tonio_Riddell: investigating11:22
Tonio_Riddell: fixed11:31
Riddellwhat needed fixing?11:35
vorianneversfelde: your daisy plasmoid was uploaded.  Thanks for your contribution to Kubuntu.12:43
Riddellwhat does  a daisy plasmoid do?12:57
vorianRiddell: it's pretty neat12:57
vorianit's a round launcher, or a pseudo dock12:58
Riddelloh aye12:59
ScottKnixternal (and Riddell): For feedback what about a 'kubuntu-feedback' project on Launchpad and use the new apport thing where you can ask questions?13:36
* txwikinger_work is frustrated about KDE's regression 13:48
Mamarokwhat regression?13:49
txwikinger_workplasma-desktop13:49
txwikinger_workit always dies on me a slowly death13:49
Mamaroktxwikinger_work: which KDE?13:49
txwikinger_workKDE 4.3 beta I think13:49
txwikinger_workbeta 213:50
Mamaroktxwikinger_work: works fantastic here in Jaunty, 4.2.9013:50
txwikinger_workhowever, I had the same problem with 4.213:50
Mamaroknot a regression, more like a configuration problem on your side I think13:50
txwikinger_work4.2.90 is 4.3 beta213:50
txwikinger_workwell.. it works for awhile, but after several hours, all the icons on plasmoids and panels disappear13:51
txwikinger_workand the texts too13:52
txwikinger_worknot sure what that has to do with configuration13:52
Mamaroktxwikinger_work: I know, that's why I said, you have a configuration problem, maybe missing packages13:52
txwikinger_workwhy is it working when it is started then?13:52
rgreeningtxwikinger_work:, Mamarok: plasma here eats memory/cpu and eventually slows to a halt as well.13:52
MamarokI have occasional plasma crashes, but it restarts itself13:52
Mamarokthe icon-teyt disappearance was something I had in 4.2.2-4.2.4, not in beta 2 anymore13:53
rgreeningit consumes 98% cpu after a while. might be one of the applets.13:53
txwikinger_workrgreening: Well.. I have 8GB RAM now... Itis not running out of memory13:53
rgreeningcpu..13:53
Mamaroktxwikinger_work: check the widgets you use, might well be one of those13:53
rgreeningthat's what I was figuring for my issue as well.13:53
txwikinger_workthat would be bad13:54
txwikinger_workwidgets should not be able to degrade plasma-desktop itself13:54
txwikinger_workthat would be badly contained13:54
txwikinger_workthat would be a major design flaw IMHO13:54
Mamaroktxwikinger_work: the now playing widget has a problem FWIW...13:54
txwikinger_workDon't use that one13:54
* txwikinger_work is at work... doesn't play anything ;)13:55
txwikinger_workwhat happens if I kill plasma-desktop? does it restart by itself?13:58
Mamaroktxwikinger_work: it should, yes13:58
* txwikinger_work is missing the plama binary which he could restart plasma with13:58
txwikinger_workit should?13:58
Mamaroktxwikinger_work: then install it?13:59
txwikinger_workhow?13:59
txwikinger_workwhich package is it in?13:59
txwikinger_workI have now plasma-desktop... not plasma anymore that is running13:59
txwikinger_workok.. it is not restarting itself!14:01
txwikinger_workah.. I can start plasma-desktop instead.. it just doesn't work if there is already one running14:02
txwikinger_workwell.. but it doesn't find the icons anymore14:03
txwikinger_workprobably because it moans that it does not find the .desktop files14:03
txwikinger_workwell.. maybe not14:04
rgreeningtxwikinger_work: kquitapp plasma-desktop && plasma-desktop14:15
rgreeningif you explicitly kill, it does not re-spawn (as far as I understand it)14:16
Tm_TFYI plasma-mid is working these days for testing (:)14:19
Tm_Tatleast for me it is14:19
ScottKTm_T: Cool.  Time for Tonio_ to get busy with packaging it ....14:22
rgreeninglol14:23
rgreeningScottK: usb-creator-kde is almost ported.14:23
rgreeningwhee...14:23
Tm_TScottK: as pre-alpha that is14:23
ScottKrgreening: Excellent.14:23
ScottKTm_T: Yes, but we have hopes of including it in Karmic as some kind of 'technology preview' for Karmic +1/KDE 4.4.14:24
rgreeningScottK: a few more gobject conversions, a merge and then it's packaging, translations, and clean-up.14:24
ScottKGreat.14:24
rgreeningScottK: I've learned a lot of gtk (not that I wanted too) and qt in the process.. :)14:25
ScottKrgreening: Careful.  You are probably our "Ubuntu has one, but we don't, please port it" expert now.14:26
rgreeninghah. yeah.....14:26
rgreeningScottK: I hink it will be easier now though... so we may have to make a list...14:27
neversfeldevorian: thank you14:47
vorianno problemo14:48
ScottKRiddell: I noticed that k3b and ktorrent are still dropped from !i386 images.  We've got ~50MB free currently.  How would you feel about me putting them back?14:49
Riddellyes they should  go  back14:51
ScottKOK.  I'll take care of it.14:52
ScottKRiddell: I'll put scim-tables-additional back too.14:53
ScottKNevermind.14:55
ScottKThat one is commented out anyway.14:55
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neversfeldeIs the kubuntu packaging session today?15:08
vorianyes15:09
vorian18:00 iirc15:09
neversfeldeI guess UTC?15:09
vorianyup15:10
neversfeldeok, I will listen to it :)15:10
Mamarokditto, hope I don't forget15:10
Mamarokwhere?15:10
vorian#ubuntu-classroom15:11
vorianOur next Packaging Training Session is going to show Kubuntu a little15:11
vorianlove. This Thursday (June 18) at 18:00 UTC, MOTU Jonathan Thomas15:11
vorian(JontheEchidna) will be leading a session on packaging KDE4 Apps and15:11
vorianPlasmoids. Find out what it takes to pitch in and join the Kubuntu15:11
voriancommunity. Learn the ways of the Kubuntu Ninjas!15:11
neversfeldeWho or what is a Kubuntu Ninja?^^15:13
Mamarokneversfelde: the Kubuntu packagers :)15:14
neversfeldeMamarok: psssst!15:14
Riddellvorian: where is that announced?15:15
JontheEchidna"Ninjas are very nice kind of unicorn developers with code monkey abilities. "15:16
JontheEchidnahttps://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas15:16
JontheEchidna^not where it was announced15:16
vorianRiddell: on the15:16
vorianpfft15:16
vorianOn the MOTU mailing list15:16
Riddellthis deserves blogging15:18
Riddellshouldn't  it be on  https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Classroom  ?15:18
vorianum,15:19
voriannhandler: is one of the fellas in charge of the weekly packaging classes15:19
freinhardRiddell: kdesudo doesn't return the executed commands exit code?15:20
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shtylmanRiddell: screengrab #2 ... my attempt to make it more ... 'air' like... http://shtylman.com/stuff/kubuntu_installer/ubiquity_idea1.png15:40
Riddellshtylman: damn that's blingy15:46
Riddellfreinhard: don't know, Tonio_ might15:47
JontheEchidnasexy @ ubiquity15:47
shtylman:)15:50
ScottKRiddell: kubuntu-meta updated.15:51
freinhardRiddell: code looks like kdesudo doesn't. doesn't matter anyways since install-package uses kdesu.15:54
freinhardi'm somehow confused anyways. kdesudo and kdebase-runtime ship /usr/lib/kde4/libexec/kdesu15:55
Riddellfreinhard: it's a divert, when kdesudo is installed /usr/lib/kde4/libexec/kdesu is kdesu15:57
freinhards/is kdesu/is kdesudo/15:59
rgreeningshtylman: nice15:59
rgreeningRiddell: I have an app that uses a QProgressDialog and I connect a method to the canceled slot. The method runs a KMessageBox to ask for confirmation. However, if I say no, then the QProgressDialog is still destroyed and the app closes (cause the main window is hidden) and not sure what to do..16:06
Riddellcanceled() is a signal?16:09
Riddell"This signal is emitted when the cancel button is clicked. It is connected to the cancel() slot by default."  you can see if you can disconnect that signal16:09
rgreeningRiddell: How do I disconnect a signal?16:13
rgreeningRiddell: QProgressDialog::disconnect I presume...16:14
RiddellQObject.disconnect() ?16:14
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rgreeningRiddell: this seems to work... took a while to get the correct syntax.. self.disconnect(self.progress_bar,SIGNAL('canceled()'),self.progress_bar.cancel)16:38
rgreeningI kept trying SLOT('cancel()') as last parameter... and fail.16:38
Riddellyou're not thinking python enough :)16:40
rgreeninglol16:42
rgreeningI'm lernin16:42
rgreening:P16:42
rgreeningRiddell: at least the app is getting close to usable now...16:42
freinhardRiddell, Tonio_ : might be interested in the two branches i just pushed for update-notifier-kde and kdersudo.16:43
rgreeningRiddell: any chance you can help me figure out how the translations should occur in usb-creator-kde? Since it uses the same backend as the gtk one, messages are sent to frontend in gettext format, so using i18n alone (or in addition to) may not be possible. I need some assistance.16:45
rgreeningalso, Riddell, do we have all our specs completed? today is some feature spec freeze...?16:47
Riddellyes specs are all completed and approved16:50
* shtylman working on addimg mrore to the installer spec....16:50
Riddellif it shares translations with the gtk one it should use gettext16:50
shtylmanRiddell: should I bother? or is it past the deadline?16:51
Riddelltake a look at ubiquity's KDE frontend16:51
Riddellshtylman: it would be good if you did, so we have an idea what the plans are16:51
shtylmanalso...wiki is down for me...anyone else get that problem?16:51
shtylmanRiddell: ok...will do ... I will add the screenshot I sent you as well as write up some of the other mplementation related tasks16:51
freinhardshtylman: no response from wiki.kubuntu.org16:52
Riddellrgreening: I'd expect you can just copy and paste the gettext bits from the gtk one16:53
shtylmanfreinhard: same...followed by internal server error16:53
freinhardshtylman: still loading...16:54
rgreeningRiddell: what about translating the Qt ui file?16:55
rgreeninghow does that happen then?16:55
* rgreening is confused with translations16:55
rgreeningdo we have a translations expert in the group?16:55
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shtylmanrgreening: it is a recursive function that translates based on the qobject name16:56
shtylmanrgreening: line 486 http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-installer/ubiquity/trunk/annotate/head%3A/ubiquity/frontend/kde_ui.py16:58
Riddellmm, not terribly pretty, but it works16:58
shtylmanthose match up with the translator files tags16:59
shtylmanRiddell: what is the "Release Note" section supposed to say?17:01
rgreeningshtylman: maybe you could help integrate that for me :)17:03
Riddellshtylman: "New in this release, ubiquity has bling appeal"17:03
shtylmanhahaha .. ok17:03
rgreeningshtylman: those functions look really ugly and very specific to the ubiquity app17:09
shtylmanrgreening: that is entirely possible :) ... that code base was there before me... so I don't know all the details...just the basics of how it works17:10
shtylmanI would look at the gtk translation side of usb-creator and see what they do and if they have a similar method call17:10
Tonio_freinhard: looking at kdesudo17:10
Tonio_freinhard: have a url for your branch17:11
nixternalScottK: with apport and the questions, that could work, but do we want bug reports that are just feedback? though we could add on to it, but we still need a place for it all to go17:13
freinhardTonio_: https://code.launchpad.net/~freinhard17:16
Tonio_freinhard: got it thanks, I'll revu17:17
nixternalRiddell: so what did you think about alpha 1 for feedback? :) I amused myself with Lime Survey at least17:24
Riddellnixternal: the feedback plasmoid looks great17:28
nixternalheh, should we think about going that route? if we do, then we will need to add Lime Survey to feedback.kubuntu.org or such17:29
akos_Hi! Could someone please have a look at Ubuntu bug 373260? It is listed as a bug of kdebase, but I think is more of a deficiency of the X init mechanism.17:31
ubottuUbuntu bug 373260 in kdebase "~/.Xmodmap does not get loaded" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/37326017:31
shtylmannixternal: got a screencap for the plasmoid? or a package?17:41
nixternalHAHAHAHA, who left responses?17:41
shtylmanI am glad someone made it happen :)17:41
nixternalshtylman: http://blog.nixternal.com - screencaps and link to the package17:42
Riddellnixternal: yes I think we should17:43
nixternalWhat issues did you experience with translations? - I CANT READ TEH ANGLIZH17:43
nixternalWhat issues did you experience while running Kubuntu? - I CANT RUN IT AS Long as I want''''' my wife makes me stop!17:43
nixternallol, and then they rated the survey a 1 :D17:44
nixternalRiddell: with that then, probably a good idea to have the server dudes take a look at setting up Lime Survey for us17:45
shtylmannixternal: looks great! ... when does it pop up for the user? and personally...I think XML is a decent idea for something like this potentially :)17:45
nixternalwe can work on a template for it so it fits in to the rest of the site..I chose to use a very basic theme as to not clutter the plasmoid with pretty colors and text :)17:45
shtylmanwill this be in the default install...I hope?17:45
nixternalshtylman: that will be up to Riddell17:45
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Riddellthat's the idea, for beta17:46
nixternalshtylman: during the dev cycle yes, after that I don't know17:46
shtylmanI think it would be of great benefit after as well...if we want to try out new features or ask people about their experience with something...having that available to popup would be indespensible17:47
JontheEchidnaneat plasmoid17:51
nixternalactually the plasmoid isn't neat at all, it is only like 6 lines of generic code :)17:51
nixternaltis the nice thing about it, nice and small17:51
JontheEchidna<3 QtWebKit17:52
nixternalI will add a little more to it so it can: detect connection to the Internet - connection == feedback, no connection == label explaining wth it is17:53
Riddellnixternal: can you e-mail me what I should ask the sysadmins for?17:53
nixternalthen a way to sync in the case that you lose connection while filling it out17:54
nixternalRiddell: roger that17:54
nixternalRiddell: you've got mail!18:00
nixternalmaybe we should get newz2000 to do up some templates for it :)18:01
nixternalthough I would prefer pretty much a blank template with the Kubuntu logo...it even works great from iPhones and Blackberrys :)18:01
nixternalit actually lets you preview your survey in iPhone mode which is cool18:02
shtylmannixternal: would it be possible for the applet to notify the user of a new survey available..?18:03
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nixternalright now we would have to configure that manually in the code as it is only use Plasma.WebView and KUrl to do all of the work18:07
JontheEchidnaanybody have somewhere where I could dump a small .tar.gz of a debian dir for my packaging session?18:10
nixternalJontheEchidna: bzr :)18:11
nixternallp:~you/+junk/foo18:11
JontheEchidnahmm, true18:11
nixternalya, I just figured that out on my own last night :p18:11
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kb9vqfHmmm...anyone have any suggestions on how to get packages through REVU? :)18:29
* kb9vqf notes his FDS packages have been languishing for over a month18:29
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seelerickspencer3-afk: ping19:49
ScottKRiddell: Could you have a look at the Ayatana integration spec and slam an approval on it?19:50
ScottKnixternal: The thing about using apport is we can hoover up a bunch of system info with the feedback and if there is a real bug in it, just reassign it where it goes.19:51
rgreening_Sime: ping19:52
rgreening_Sime: is there an i/o watcher type function for KDE/Qt? For example, say I have a PID of a running process, and I want to know if it has i/o ready so I can wake up another process...20:06
_Simergreening: hi20:07
nixternalrgreening: that is what dbus is for :p20:07
rgreening_Sime: trying to port gobject.io_add_watch and gobject.child_watch_add functions to something in Qt or KDE...20:07
_Simergreening: off the top of my head..... dunno... usually Python has close equivalents to C/C++.20:08
rgreening_Sime: yeah, I just can't seem to locate what I am looking for...20:08
nixternalqtdbus has the ability to look for events20:08
rgreeningnixternal: ?20:08
_Simergreening: what do you mean by i/o ready? you mean if that process wants to talk to your process?20:09
rgreening_Sime: have a look here first... http://www.pygtk.org/pygtk2reference/gobject-functions.html20:09
rgreening_Sime: look at child_watch_add and io_add_watch20:10
rgreeningI need to port a PyGTK app to PyKDE/PyQt... trying to replicate these functions20:10
nixternalrgreening: what about solid?20:11
nixternalSolid::DeviceNotifier20:11
rgreeningnixternal: have you looked at the above functions? This isn't about devices20:11
nixternaloh, thought it was, sorry20:11
rgreeningthis is a running process being watched20:11
rgreening:)20:11
rgreeningany thoughts _Sime?20:12
nixternalrgreening: KProcess?20:12
_Simergreening: QSocketNotifier20:12
_Simergreening: ??20:12
rgreening_Sime: that sounds promising20:13
rgreening_Sime: I think you have it20:13
rgreening:)20:13
* rgreening is not extremely well versed in all the Qt/KDE classes20:14
rgreeningnixternal: KProcess wants to start and control the process. Unfortunately, I already have the process and PID from pre-existing functions and code, which I cannot disrupt..20:15
rgreeningthanks _Sime. I'll see if I can make that work for me.20:15
neversfeldeJontheEchidna: are you creating an official package for plasmaboard?20:30
* ScottK notes the last comment in Bug 380701 and really hopes someone will look into it.20:35
ubottuLaunchpad bug 380701 in eric "Eric IDE fails to launch, cannot import Qsci" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/38070120:35
nhandlerRiddell: In regards to the packaging training session, there was a blog post about it 24 hours prior to the session20:39
_Simehave we got any python-plasma packagers in the room tonight?20:49
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JontheEchidnaneversfelde: Its still free for packaging20:56
neversfeldeJontheEchidna: ok, I have it on my ToDo, but it did not build last time I tried20:57
JontheEchidnait also needs kdebase-workspace-dev, which I found out a little bit ago20:57
JontheEchidnashame on me for not pbuilding before teaching the class20:58
ScottK_Sime: I note one or two around.  What is it you need?20:58
JontheEchidnain fact I never filled in the packaging myself :P20:58
_SimeScottK: python on karmic can't find PyKDE4.plasmascript20:58
_SimeScottK: from PyKDE4 import plasmascript20:58
neversfeldeJontheEchidna: you can't teach everything, the class needs it's own experience :)20:58
_SimeScottK: fails..20:58
neversfeldeLearning by doing^^20:59
ScottK_Sime: We also have a Scintilla problem too (Bug #380701)21:00
ubottuLaunchpad bug 380701 in eric "Eric IDE fails to launch, cannot import Qsci" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/38070121:00
_SimeScottK: it looks like some python modules are being shared between interpreters in a separate directory.21:01
ScottKSounds like madness related to the Python 2.6 transition then.21:02
_SimeI don't know what is going on. It just looks different to me.21:03
* ScottK is still trying to catch up from 3 weeks of travel, so no time to really dig into it.21:04
* ScottK decides to blame JontheEchidna since he was in charge at the time.21:04
shtylmanoh yea...I forgot that I had an interesting bug when installing alpha2... don't know if anyone else has had this.... but when booting into alpha2 live env and two monitors are connected (with nvidia card) kde hangs and fails to load at around the second to last splash icon21:04
ScottKshtylman: I saw your installer art.  Did you consider taking up KDE upstream's offer of helping out with artwork?21:05
shtylmanScottK: didn't know they offered...I would be more than happy to take them up on it!21:05
* ScottK searches for the infos.21:06
rgreeningshtylman: sebas blogged about networkmanager plasmoid needing artwork.. if thats the one you are looking for21:08
ScottKshtylman: http://pinheiro-kde.blogspot.com/2009/06/sharing-brand.html and http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2009/06/building-brand-together.html are probably the two best.21:09
ScottKrgreening: No, I was looking for the one where KDE offered to help with co-branding.21:09
ScottKSince we pretty much ship upstream artwork, we ought to be easy.21:09
shtylmanScottK: k..I will reach out ot them and show them my screenshot and see if I can get the ball rolling with something :)21:11
ryanakcaOur wiki theme got installed! Could people go to https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Home?action=userprefs and test out the kubuntunew theme please?21:44
neversfelderyanakca: looks good21:50
shtylmanryanakca: indeed :) ... I like21:51
yuriyryanakca: neat. looks very.. dapper21:51
shtylmanI like the boxed in feel... makes the wiki seem more controlled21:51
ryanakcayuriy: Well, it matches kubuntu.org more than it used to ;) (patches welcome)21:54
shtylmanryanakca: now for the website ;)21:54
ryanakcashtylman: Yep, I finish my exams next Monday, then I'll be able to get through the website's TODO :)21:56
JontheEchidnawhoa, nice theme21:58
shtylmanryanakca: ooo looks forward to it...22:02
ryanakcaIf nobody seems to have any issues with it while they test it, it'll eventually get set as default :)22:02
ryanakcashtylman: ooo as in OO.o?22:02
shtylmanryanakca: ooo and in ooooooooo ahhhhhhh :)22:03
ryanakcaAh :)22:03
yuriyryanakca: a bit buggy: in konq I get title underlines going across the table of contents22:09
JontheEchidnaOn https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/ the only link out of Misson Development and Contributing I can click is Contributing22:16
yuriyryanakca: the title at the top doesn't include slashes, and is redundant with the "you are here" line22:17
Quintasanryanakca: great theme!22:23
darlek2009hello22:25
* shtylman thinks http://4.bp.blogspot.com/__JNFVYfijS4/SjL5HmIhzFI/AAAAAAAAAoE/kCBkS84sy38/s1600-h/Atra+Dot+1920x1200.jpg should be the default wallpaper for karmic kubuntu...possibly after a color change...but I do like the green personally :)22:27
neversfeldeGreen would not be a good choice :D22:28
JontheEchidnaheh, yeah22:29
JontheEchidnanice wallpaper tho22:29
JontheEchidnathat's one of the new ones for 4.3, come to think of it22:29
* ScottK thinks shtylman should go engage upstream and get both artistic help and credit to Kubuntu for trying to support this new branding initiative.22:29
* ScottK also thinks it has to be blue.22:30
shtylmanScottK: talking to them right now ... (did express my desire for blue)22:30
ScottKshtylman: Excellent.22:30
JontheEchidnaCurrently the weather wallpaper uses colorado farm for both cloudy and partly cloudy (blue sun is used for very cloudy)22:31
JontheEchidnaWhat would you guys think to using this wallpaper for partly cloudy? http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdebase/workspace/wallpapers/Evening/contents/22:31
darlek2009new to kubuntu group and irc, hope this is private query. may I ask a question?22:37
neversfeldewhy can't I open this picture?22:37
neversfeldedarlek2009: don't ask to ask, aks :)22:39
neversfeldeif it is a support question you should probably go to #kubuntu22:39
darlek2009thank you, neversfelde, I will go to kubuntu.22:40
DaskreeCHha ha22:41
ryanakcaQuintasan: thanks :)22:56
ryanakcayuriy: Mind filing a bug under the kubuntu-website project so that I don't forget please?22:57
RiddellScottK: where  is this Ayatana integration spec?23:06
Riddell_Sime: ping23:34
Riddell_Sime: how you would fancy doing a tutorial for Kubuntu tutorials day?23:35
ryanakcaRiddell: Should I call for testing (new wiki theme) on the Planet?23:37
yuriyryanakca: bugs filed23:44
ryanakcayuriy: Thanks23:46
Riddellryanakca: go for it23:47
Riddellryanakca: looking good to me though23:48

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