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BUGabundobillybigrigger: been reading it! looks good00:15
billybigriggeranyone here use deluge alot?01:13
billybigriggerlike daily?01:13
billybigriggerseems with yesterdays updates deluge has pooped the bed on me01:13
billybigriggereverytime i open a torrent, and try to change where the files are saved it instantly crashes01:13
darthanubisbillybigrigger, I gave up on deluge. Transmission is working it's butt off01:38
racecar56hihi01:39
* BUGabundo $ sudo shutdown -t now ; echo 1 lamb, 2 lamb, 3 lamb 4rrrr lammbbbb.....01:45
billybigriggerdarthanubis::: uggh i hate trans01:58
legodudeanyone else having really slow graphics performance in the latest karmic?02:05
legodudelike unusably slow?02:06
yoasif_legodude, i've seen some slowdowns, don't really know how to triage it02:06
yoasif_nah not unusably slow here02:06
legodudethis is maybe 100x slower than jaunty02:06
legodudeeverything in the GUI pretty much02:06
legodudeswitching windows will take secnds02:07
legodudeseconds02:07
legodudeand resuming is much slower02:07
legodudetime to poke around launchpad02:09
syn-ackhrm02:42
yofelnice... compiz crashed...04:23
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yofeland apport doesn't seem to care :(04:25
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DanaGHmm, earlier today, I ran into a nouveau-kms kernel... where'd it come from, and where'd it go off to?04:47
DanaGI think it was from the sarvatt PPA.04:48
DanaGBut it's not anywhere now.04:50
DanaGAnd I didn't change my sources.list.04:50
DanaGah, found it... it got into the radeon kms PPA by accident earlier, when it's supposed to be in its own PPA.04:54
DanaGhmm, nouveau KMS is giving me a null pointer dereference.05:12
DanaGhttp://pastebin.com/f13b90ed05:12
DanaGhmmm, I wonder why the nouveau KMS PPA doesn't work.05:51
billybigriggeram i supposed to be using the nouvea driver?05:54
billybigriggeror nvidia driver?05:55
billybigriggerand what is the difference?05:55
billybigriggerDanaG::: ?05:55
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DanaGugh, this sound card is being all slow and crappy -- speeding up and slowing down.05:57
DanaGor rather, it's a combination of a crappy CPU with a 48KHz-only sound card.05:57
DanaGIt's actually speeding up and slowing down.05:59
DrSwhy i can't install .deb files ? :    http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/7131/bugevw.png09:09
DrSi'am using  Karmic koala09:10
tgpraveenkklimonda: still up for using video chat over xmpp09:10
tgpraveenthough I don't have a webcam only mic09:11
virtualdshouldn't apport be enabled automatically when upgrading with update-manager -d?10:20
mvovirtuald: yes it should, fixed in bzr - thanks11:09
kane77hi, I installed alpha 2 in virtualbox to test drive it, but it seems that the installation did not add me to sudoers file.. what do I do now?11:51
syn-ackHey guys, anyone know what the support status is with the nvidia 178 driver and X is so far?12:23
syn-ackI know its blob and yadda yadda but I was hoping someone may have had an insight12:24
coz_syn-ack,   which video card?12:24
syn-ackRiva12:25
syn-ackapparently 178 and Xorg 1.6 are no workie but hey if I can futz something together so be it12:25
syn-ackNow that Im running "newer than 1.6" yeah12:26
syn-ackcoz_: Still getting the whole "nvidia.ko module not found" bs12:27
coz_syn-ack,  I believe  it has to do with nvidia it self as well... I know that my favorite driver was the 169.12 and it is no longer installable12:28
coz_syn-ack, no kernel module avaiable12:28
syn-ackYeah and Ive had no luck with that nv replacement thingie either.12:29
syn-ackyay.12:29
coz_syn-ack,   have you tried any of the newer drivers?12:29
coz_syn-ack,   lspci | grep -i vga12:30
syn-ackheh, this is a karmic box, I'd hope that thats all there is on this thing. :P12:30
syn-ackOH12:30
syn-ackyeah sorry....12:30
syn-ackyeah, they dont work so well12:30
syn-ack01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV6 [Vanta/Vanta LT] (rev 15)12:30
coz_mm that card requires a legacy drive correct?12:32
syn-ackaye12:32
syn-acklike I said the 178xxx driver12:32
coz_syn-ack,  yeah... I dont know for sure ... hopefully one of the glx legacy drivers will be available12:33
coz_syn-ack,  is this a replaceable card  or on the motherboard?12:33
syn-ackits an AGP card.12:33
coz_oh  well you could go to ebay and look for nvidia agp cards and get anything from the 6xxx series up to 7xxx series12:34
coz_syn-ack,  the 6xxx series should be cheap12:34
syn-ackIve thought about getting something else as well but I really dont know if I want to actually do that since this is a throwaway machine for all intents and purposes12:34
coz_oh ok12:34
coz_syn-ack,  even if you get another machine this one could stand in as a back up...or server or something useful12:35
coz_syn-ack,  $30 bucks or so should bet a 6xxx  card12:35
syn-ackIf I could find 1GBx3 PC133 RAM I would drop a new card in in a heartbeat12:35
coz_should get not bet12:35
coz_syn-ack,  did you check ebay?12:35
syn-acknah, scoured pricewatch and the usual12:36
coz_syn-ack,  ebay might be a good place for these things12:36
coz_just make sure any item has a guarantee no DOA12:37
coz_and returnable12:37
coz_syn-ack,  the problem is going to be that soon even the 6xxx series cards are going to be unsupported by nvidia12:37
syn-ackyeah... wish matrox still had decent shit12:38
coz_syn-ack, you could think about ati  since they do have opensource drivers for it  because the open source nouveau drives for nvidia still do not have 3d acceleration12:40
syn-ackyeah...12:40
syn-ackHow is the ATI 3d opensource so far?12:41
coz_syn-ack,  I dont use ati but I hear it is fine for the most part  although only certain cards can use the opensource driver let me get that info for you hold on12:41
coz_syn-ack,   From the 7000 to the X1950, you can use the open source "radeon" driver. All cards newer than the X1950 must use the proprietary "fglrx" driver.12:42
syn-ackyeah, thats what I figured... still no completely open spec12:43
coz_syn-ack,  I cant speak confidently about ati stuff at all I dont use them  but  again it is an alternative12:43
zniavre__178 nvidia driver ? where can i find it please?12:51
zniavre__i thought 173 were the last one for "legacy" card12:51
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mib_o6egw3k8Help bring Google Gears to Opera, star this issue http://code.google.com/p/gears/issues/detail?id=15&q=opera&colspec=Version%20Milestone%20Owner%20ID%20Summary%20Component13:50
BluesKajHey folks13:59
* Hobbsee waves14:00
BUGabundoboas tardes14:27
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k3ninhoI'm testing the xorg crack pushers Radeon KMS tools and the screen stays blank -- Xorg.0.log says that the LVDS of my laptop isn't recognised and no screens found.  Can I get help diagnosing/fixing?14:53
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k3ninhowill try mailing lists. --bye15:32
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sarmisakhi all16:01
Creative1412Hi guys can i upgrade 9.04 to 9.1016:51
hggdhCreative1412, yes you can. Be aware that unexpected things may happen16:51
Creative1412never mind just gimme the how to :)16:52
hggdhCreative1412, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicKoala/TechnicalOverview16:52
Creative1412thanks :)16:52
BUGabundoCreative1412: hi16:53
BUGabundothe proper way to upgrade is using Update Manager16:53
BUGabundoso you just start it with : $ update-manager -d16:53
BUGabundoplease go to Software Sources and comment out any 3rd party PPAs or repos.16:54
Creative1412it woks :)16:54
Creative1412work*s16:54
BUGabundoCreative1412: what does?16:54
Creative1412ok16:54
Creative1412i am downloading the upgrade :16:54
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BUGabundomais um cristo... n leu as release notes!16:55
BUGabundoI bet he will come back screaming touchpad doesn't work :\16:56
hggdh:-)16:56
BluesKajBUGabundo, I can't stand the touchpad thing. I use a mouse even with our laptop :)17:00
BUGabundoI use it a lot . so no tapping is a drag17:00
joaopintoI hate touchpads17:01
BUGabundojoaopinto: you just use Desktops. you don't count17:04
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joaopintoBUGabundo, nope, thinkpad all the way17:05
rippsI want to upgrade to Karmic and assit with testing, but I don't want to just upgrade, I want to reformat and install with ext4, but I need backup all my personal data. Trying to get enough room for backup on my external harddrive by deleting a bunch of crap.17:51
ripps*to much anime and porn17:51
BUGabundo!language | ripps:18:02
ubotturipps:: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.18:02
BUGabundoripps: please avoid _some_ of those words, ok?18:02
billybigriggerBUGabundo::: is there a certain way i should be upgrading each morning?18:02
billybigriggersudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade is fine right?18:03
BUGabundobillybigrigger: ~~~18:03
BUGabundoahhh you mean getting updates18:03
hggdhbillybigrigger, dist-upgrade is better18:03
BUGabundoI recommend using Update-Manager18:03
billybigrigger~~~ ? whats that :)18:03
BUGabundoso it also aplies Policie changes18:03
billybigriggerupdate-manager never pops up for me18:03
BUGabundoif that fails, use aptitude safe-upgrade18:03
BUGabundobillybigrigger: that's a bug ^W feature of Jaunty18:04
BUGabundobug 33294518:04
ubottuLaunchpad bug 332945 in null "[Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/33294518:04
BUGabundoI can't believe its still active!18:04
BUGabundoI have 141 unread emails from that bug alone18:04
billybigriggerhah18:04
BUGabundonot funny. believe me18:05
BUGabundoI know a few users how left Ubuntu after "that" _decision_18:05
billybigriggerwhat decision? to make update-manager pop up?18:06
billybigriggeror not pop up?18:06
BUGabundoto pop up, and remove the tray icon18:07
BUGabundonow that we talk on It18:07
BUGabundolet me update my system, again18:07
tgpraveenhi I added https://launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/+archive/ppa18:11
tgpraveenrepos it has empathy 2.27.318:11
tgpraveenand I have.27.218:11
tgpraveenso when I upgrade I still get I have latest version18:12
tgpraveenI think it is bcoz there are two versions in the ppa18:12
tgpraveen         empathy - 2.27.3-0ubuntu118:12
BUGabundotgpraveen: hi18:12
tgpraveenand          empathy - 2.27.2-2~ppa118:12
BUGabundoplease pastebin $apt-cache policy empathy18:12
tgpraveenso how do I get the .3 version?18:12
tgpraveenempathy:18:13
tgpraveen  Installed: 2.27.2-1ubuntu1~ppa9.04+118:13
tgpraveen  Candidate: 2.27.2-1ubuntu1~ppa9.04+118:13
tgpraveen  Version table:18:13
tgpraveen *** 2.27.2-1ubuntu1~ppa9.04+1 018:13
tgpraveen        500 http://ppa.launchpad.net jaunty/main Packages18:13
tgpraveen        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status18:13
tgpraveen     2.26.1-1ubuntu1 018:13
tgpraveen        500 http://archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages18:13
BUGabundo!paste | tgpraveen18:13
ubottutgpraveen: pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/index.php?page=add | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic18:13
BUGabundoread man!!!!18:13
tgpraveensorry18:13
BUGabundonp18:14
BUGabundoplease DON'T do it again ok ?18:14
tgpraveenok18:14
BUGabundotgpraveen: $ sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude safe-upgrade18:14
BUGabundopastebin any errors or warnings. thanks18:14
BUGabundoNeed to get 107MB of archives. After unpacking 16.3MB will be freed.18:15
BUGabundodamn18:15
tgpraveenwell, I am jaunty still, #ubuntu was full so I thought maybe I could some help here please help (I know it's a little bit cheating ;-) )18:15
BUGabundomutt getting upgraded? this I have to see18:16
BUGabundoyeah it OT, actually18:16
tgpraveenso I shouldn't do that safe-upgrade18:16
BUGabundodo it18:16
BUGabundoits SAFE18:16
BUGabundoare you using the jaunty repo or karmic, from the PPA?18:17
tgpraveenI was using the jaunty18:17
BUGabundooh jaunty18:17
tgpraveenbuit now I see the prob18:17
BUGabundojust checked your paste18:17
tgpraveenthe .3 ver is for karmic series only18:17
BUGabundoyeah that could be it18:17
tgpraveendamn I thoought it was for jaunty also18:17
tgpraveenok18:17
tgpraveenthanks18:17
BUGabundonp18:18
tgpraveenanyways. last time I upgraded to jaunty at alpha 4 or so18:18
BUGabundomaybe it will be18:18
tgpraveenthis I might do it sooner it seems18:18
BUGabundoits just building18:18
BUGabundotgpraveen: feel free to join us18:18
BUGabundoits quite nice, actually18:18
tgpraveencould you tell me any changes from jaunty currently in karmic except for the background cahnges (grub,ext4,etc18:19
BUGabundotgpraveen: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicKoala/TechnicalOverview18:23
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BUGabundoin case you missed it: Ubuntu Global Jam NOW on #ubuntu-meeting19:00
LordKownow i remember why thunderbird > evolution19:43
BUGabundoLordKow: eheh19:43
BUGabundowhy?19:43
LordKowBUGabundo: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution/+bug/38116419:43
ubottuLaunchpad bug 381164 in evolution "database disk image is malformed" [Low,Incomplete]19:43
LordKowi guess i'll give evolution the benefit of the doubt and blame sqlit19:44
LordKow*sqlite19:44
hexa-hello19:45
hexa-did anybody notice gtk applications crashing?19:45
LordKowi just had a gtk application crash but i dont think it has anything to do with gtk.19:45
BUGabundohexa-: not here19:45
hexa-well i have eclipse crashing with a libgtk error19:46
hexa-nautilus is crashing on some folders19:46
hexa-and tragtor won't even open giving a libgtk error19:46
hexa-having a file open/save/whatever dialog navigating to the same folders as in nautilus makes the whole program crash19:46
joejcwhat r the best new features?19:47
hexa-joejc: depends.19:47
joejcon?19:47
BUGabundohexa-: fully updated?19:47
hexa-see the blogs, or the ubuntu planet19:47
hexa-BUGabundo: yes.19:47
BUGabundohey joejc19:47
joejchi19:48
BUGabundohexa-: are you sure? what mirror?19:48
hexa-de.archive.*19:48
BUGabundojoejc: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicKoala/TechnicalOverview19:48
hexa-is there a more current one?19:48
BUGabundohexa-: can you change to main and try again?19:48
hexa-minus de.?19:48
hexa-okay19:49
joejcboot time faster?19:49
hexa-unrelated updates19:49
hexa-compiz, mplayer, update-manager...19:49
BUGabundohexa-: can't reproduce19:51
BUGabundobut someone was here 2 days with some probs19:51
hexa-nvm that19:52
hexa-i'm trying and searching launchpad19:52
BUGabundook19:52
BUGabundohexa-: let me know about it too19:52
hexa-i will19:52
BUGabundothanks19:55
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joejcwhy does ubuntu +2 go here?20:27
BUGabundojoejc: sorry?20:27
joejc if u join #ubuntu+2 it goes here20:28
BUGabundoeheeh20:28
hexa-well20:28
hexa-because there is no +2 yet announced20:28
BUGabundojoejc: cause it's the devel version ?20:28
hexa-there is no newer than +120:28
joejcwhy is there no channel for the people that are 6months ahead of the dev version?20:29
hexa-because it would not exist...20:29
joejcwhy not?20:29
hexa-ubuntu uses debian sid upstream for the new distros20:29
hexa-they begin the new development with a merge from debian sid20:29
hexa-u cannot talk about things that don't exist right now20:30
BUGabundoerrr20:30
BUGabundonot exacly but lets leave it like that20:30
hexa-well :D20:30
BUGabundo+2 exists... on blueprints20:30
BUGabundoand this # serves BOTH20:30
hexa-okay :o20:30
joejcarnt there things that cant be completed in 6 months?20:30
hexa-BUGabundo: does nautilus have some sort of debugging?20:34
BlinkizHi there. I would like to explore how the work with Karmic Koala is going. Like what features will be implemented. Does it exist?20:34
hexa-because when i start it from console and make it crash it doesnt give a clue20:34
hexa-https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicKoala/TechnicalOverview20:34
BUGabundohexa-: yes20:34
BUGabundo!debug | hexa-20:34
ubottuhexa-: For help debugging your program, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProcedures20:34
hexa-thanks20:35
Blinkizhexa-, The link you provided, it shows whats in alpha 2. Am looking for meeting protocols or similar20:35
Blinkizhexa-, Maybe "blueprints" is the right word here?20:36
hexa-yes20:36
hexa-maybe :)20:36
hexa-BUGabundo: so i start nautilus like this: $ G_DEBUG=fatal_criticals nautilus20:37
hexa-but it doesn't give any output20:37
Blinkizhexa-, Is this the right page to watch if I want to follow how the work with Karmic Koala is going? https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic20:37
hexa-it just goes back to prompt and nautilus starts20:37
BUGabundo!blueprints | Blinkiz20:37
ubottuBlinkiz: Want to suggest or discuss ideas of a future project/feature?  With Launchpad you can track blueprints (feature specification summaries) from discussion through review, approval, and implementation.  See https://blueprints.launchpad.net/20:37
BUGabundohexa-: yeah that's one way20:38
hexa-<program> --g-fatal-warnings doesnt work either20:38
BUGabundodid you replace <program> with nautilus?20:41
hexa-yes20:41
hexa-it starts20:41
hexa-the console goes back to the prompt20:41
hexa-can't even get a backtrace with gdb :|20:42
BUGabundohexa-: did you added the ddeb repo ?20:46
BUGabundoand run apt-get update?20:46
hexa-eh no20:46
BUGabundothen installed the nautilus gdb-symb packages?20:46
BUGabundoahh20:46
BUGabundothen how do you expect to have it running on gdb?20:46
hexa-hm ok20:47
hexa-does the dbgsym package replace mit nautilus binary?20:50
hexa-mit = my20:50
Sarvatthexa: gdb /usr/bin/nautilus $(pidof nautilus)20:51
Sarvattthen type run20:52
BUGabundoyeah what Sarvatt said20:52
BUGabundohi Sarvatt20:52
hexa-wow that is weird20:53
hexa-it doesnt crash anymore20:53
hexa-:o20:53
hexa-ah now again20:54
hexa-so when i do gdb [...] gdb loads the symbols20:54
hexa-then i type run and it tells me the debugging has already started and if i wanted to restart it, i say yes and nautilus opens20:54
hexa-nautilus window stays open and in the console appear20:55
hexa-Program exited normally.20:55
BUGabundohexa-: now type bt full20:55
BUGabundoto get a trace20:55
hexa-i did20:55
hexa-it says No Stack20:55
hexa-http://paste.ubuntuusers.de/395556/20:56
BUGabundoahh20:57
BUGabundoyou don't run It again20:57
hexa-if i don't run it again no window opens20:58
BUGabundohexa-: now you get some one with better eyes to look at it20:58
BUGabundomaybe Sarvatt can help20:58
hexa-okay20:58
BUGabundoother wise you will have to ask seb128 on #ubuntu-devel20:58
hexa-Sarvatt: you still around?20:58
hexa-thank you20:58
Sarvatttheres no crash or problem there to backtrace20:59
BUGabundonp20:59
hexa-well20:59
hexa-i need to explain something20:59
hexa-until i rerun nautilus in gdb i couldnt cause they crash21:00
hexa-because there is no window open21:00
Sarvattit doesnt start and theres no error when you just run nautilus in terminal?21:00
hexa-when i rerun the window opens but in gdb it says instantly the Program exited normaly, even though it is still open21:00
hexa-it doesnt start in specific directorys21:01
hexa-oh well, wait21:01
hexa-it starts in the directory21:01
hexa-but if I change to it from another directory it crashes21:01
hexa-no nvm21:01
Sarvattleave it open in gdb and let it crash, it'll tell you when it crashes and you can do a bt full in there21:02
hexa-thats what doesnt work21:02
hexa-ah nvm21:02
hexa-i think i know what you mean :o21:02
Sarvattit'll leave the window open and you cant interact with it, thats normal21:02
* robin0800_ is back.21:03
hexa-http://paste.ubuntuusers.de/395557/21:03
hexa-it goes this far without me interacting any further21:03
hexa-but i cant open anyy nautilus windows at that point21:03
Sarvatttype run21:04
Sarvattand hit y21:04
Sarvattthen try your best to crash it21:04
hexa-http://paste.ubuntuusers.de/395558/21:04
hexa-it adds this21:04
hexa-and drops me back to the gdb prompt21:04
hexa-nautilus window has opened at that point21:04
hexa-and stays open21:05
Sarvattweird21:05
hexa-as if a new thread was forked21:05
Sarvattyeah it'll stay open until you close gdb21:05
hexa-no21:05
hexa-it stays open even if i close gdb21:05
Sarvattprobably still have an old gdb session going, can ya kill all of the nautilus and gdb processes and try again?21:08
hexa-ok21:08
hexa-nautilus automatically restarts21:09
BUGabundoah?21:11
BUGabundono it doesn't21:11
hexa-i type killall -9 nautilus21:11
hexa-and a second later ps |grep nautilus21:11
hexa-there is another session reopened21:11
BUGabundolet me try21:13
Sarvattits displaying your desktop icons21:13
hexa-exactly21:13
BUGabundoahh21:14
BUGabundoit happens21:14
BUGabundoLOL21:14
Sarvattif you run nautilus seperately it opens the file manager though, did it get rid of the one that was hanging around open that you said?21:14
Sarvattwhen you killall'ed it21:14
hexa-dunno21:15
hexa-ill retry gdb21:15
hexa-still the same21:15
BUGabundoanyone having trouble with FANS not stopping?21:23
hggdhon a laptop?21:25
BUGabundoyep21:25
BUGabundoalways hearing this horrible sound21:25
BUGabundoI know its HOT here21:26
BUGabundobut still it used to be quieter21:26
BUGabundoI wonder if it is kernel bug21:26
BUGabundoor hibernation21:26
BUGabundo 21:26:28 up 4 days,  6:29,  6 users,  load average: 1.59, 0.98, 0.7621:26
BUGabundowoot21:26
BUGabundomust be a record21:26
BUGabundousually after 2 or 3 I need a reboot21:26
Jeruvyare you running karmic?21:27
BUGabundoof course21:28
BUGabundosince week 1,521:29
BUGabundoLOL21:29
Jeruvysweet :)  I've not run it on a real box yet21:29
BUGabundoI do21:30
JeruvyI'll have to try it on my lt, project for the weekend21:31
BUGabundo!backports22:04
ubottuIf new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they may go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports - See also !packaging22:04
BUGabundojoaopinto: isto em rede 'e q e' giro22:34
BUGabundooops22:34
vigoWill 9.10a sit or reside next to 8.04.2 or 9.04?23:10
BUGabundoservidor0te23:10

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