[00:15] billybigrigger: been reading it! looks good [01:13] anyone here use deluge alot? [01:13] like daily? [01:13] seems with yesterdays updates deluge has pooped the bed on me [01:13] everytime i open a torrent, and try to change where the files are saved it instantly crashes [01:38] billybigrigger, I gave up on deluge. Transmission is working it's butt off [01:39] hihi [01:45] * BUGabundo $ sudo shutdown -t now ; echo 1 lamb, 2 lamb, 3 lamb 4rrrr lammbbbb..... [01:58] darthanubis::: uggh i hate trans [02:05] anyone else having really slow graphics performance in the latest karmic? [02:06] like unusably slow? [02:06] legodude, i've seen some slowdowns, don't really know how to triage it [02:06] nah not unusably slow here [02:06] this is maybe 100x slower than jaunty [02:06] everything in the GUI pretty much [02:07] switching windows will take secnds [02:07] seconds [02:07] and resuming is much slower [02:09] time to poke around launchpad [02:42] hrm [04:23] nice... compiz crashed... === FFForever-Away is now known as FFForever [04:25] and apport doesn't seem to care :( === dmb_ is now known as dmb [04:47] Hmm, earlier today, I ran into a nouveau-kms kernel... where'd it come from, and where'd it go off to? [04:48] I think it was from the sarvatt PPA. [04:50] But it's not anywhere now. [04:50] And I didn't change my sources.list. [04:54] ah, found it... it got into the radeon kms PPA by accident earlier, when it's supposed to be in its own PPA. [05:12] hmm, nouveau KMS is giving me a null pointer dereference. [05:12] http://pastebin.com/f13b90ed [05:51] hmmm, I wonder why the nouveau KMS PPA doesn't work. [05:54] am i supposed to be using the nouvea driver? [05:55] or nvidia driver? [05:55] and what is the difference? [05:55] DanaG::: ? === DanaG1 is now known as DanaG [05:57] ugh, this sound card is being all slow and crappy -- speeding up and slowing down. [05:57] or rather, it's a combination of a crappy CPU with a 48KHz-only sound card. [05:59] It's actually speeding up and slowing down. [09:09] why i can't install .deb files ? : http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/7131/bugevw.png [09:10] i'am using Karmic koala [09:10] kklimonda: still up for using video chat over xmpp [09:11] though I don't have a webcam only mic [10:20] shouldn't apport be enabled automatically when upgrading with update-manager -d? [11:09] virtuald: yes it should, fixed in bzr - thanks [11:51] hi, I installed alpha 2 in virtualbox to test drive it, but it seems that the installation did not add me to sudoers file.. what do I do now? [12:23] Hey guys, anyone know what the support status is with the nvidia 178 driver and X is so far? [12:24] I know its blob and yadda yadda but I was hoping someone may have had an insight [12:24] syn-ack, which video card? [12:25] Riva [12:25] apparently 178 and Xorg 1.6 are no workie but hey if I can futz something together so be it [12:26] Now that Im running "newer than 1.6" yeah [12:27] coz_: Still getting the whole "nvidia.ko module not found" bs [12:28] syn-ack, I believe it has to do with nvidia it self as well... I know that my favorite driver was the 169.12 and it is no longer installable [12:28] syn-ack, no kernel module avaiable [12:29] Yeah and Ive had no luck with that nv replacement thingie either. [12:29] yay. [12:29] syn-ack, have you tried any of the newer drivers? [12:30] syn-ack, lspci | grep -i vga [12:30] heh, this is a karmic box, I'd hope that thats all there is on this thing. :P [12:30] OH [12:30] yeah sorry.... [12:30] yeah, they dont work so well [12:30] 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV6 [Vanta/Vanta LT] (rev 15) [12:32] mm that card requires a legacy drive correct? [12:32] aye [12:32] like I said the 178xxx driver [12:33] syn-ack, yeah... I dont know for sure ... hopefully one of the glx legacy drivers will be available [12:33] syn-ack, is this a replaceable card or on the motherboard? [12:33] its an AGP card. [12:34] oh well you could go to ebay and look for nvidia agp cards and get anything from the 6xxx series up to 7xxx series [12:34] syn-ack, the 6xxx series should be cheap [12:34] Ive thought about getting something else as well but I really dont know if I want to actually do that since this is a throwaway machine for all intents and purposes [12:34] oh ok [12:35] syn-ack, even if you get another machine this one could stand in as a back up...or server or something useful [12:35] syn-ack, $30 bucks or so should bet a 6xxx card [12:35] If I could find 1GBx3 PC133 RAM I would drop a new card in in a heartbeat [12:35] should get not bet [12:35] syn-ack, did you check ebay? [12:36] nah, scoured pricewatch and the usual [12:36] syn-ack, ebay might be a good place for these things [12:37] just make sure any item has a guarantee no DOA [12:37] and returnable [12:37] syn-ack, the problem is going to be that soon even the 6xxx series cards are going to be unsupported by nvidia [12:38] yeah... wish matrox still had decent shit [12:40] syn-ack, you could think about ati since they do have opensource drivers for it because the open source nouveau drives for nvidia still do not have 3d acceleration [12:40] yeah... [12:41] How is the ATI 3d opensource so far? [12:41] syn-ack, I dont use ati but I hear it is fine for the most part although only certain cards can use the opensource driver let me get that info for you hold on [12:42] syn-ack, From the 7000 to the X1950, you can use the open source "radeon" driver. All cards newer than the X1950 must use the proprietary "fglrx" driver. [12:43] yeah, thats what I figured... still no completely open spec [12:43] syn-ack, I cant speak confidently about ati stuff at all I dont use them but again it is an alternative [12:51] 178 nvidia driver ? where can i find it please? [12:51] i thought 173 were the last one for "legacy" card === zniavre__ is now known as zniavre [13:50] Help bring Google Gears to Opera, star this issue http://code.google.com/p/gears/issues/detail?id=15&q=opera&colspec=Version%20Milestone%20Owner%20ID%20Summary%20Component [13:59] Hey folks [14:00] * Hobbsee waves [14:27] boas tardes === genii_ is now known as genii [14:53] I'm testing the xorg crack pushers Radeon KMS tools and the screen stays blank -- Xorg.0.log says that the LVDS of my laptop isn't recognised and no screens found. Can I get help diagnosing/fixing? === ripps_ is now known as ripps [15:32] will try mailing lists. --bye === yofel_ is now known as yofel [16:01] hi all [16:51] Hi guys can i upgrade 9.04 to 9.10 [16:51] Creative1412, yes you can. Be aware that unexpected things may happen [16:52] never mind just gimme the how to :) [16:52] Creative1412, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicKoala/TechnicalOverview [16:52] thanks :) [16:53] Creative1412: hi [16:53] the proper way to upgrade is using Update Manager [16:53] so you just start it with : $ update-manager -d [16:54] please go to Software Sources and comment out any 3rd party PPAs or repos. [16:54] it woks :) [16:54] work*s [16:54] Creative1412: what does? [16:54] ok [16:54] i am downloading the upgrade : === YDdraigGoch is now known as WelshDragon [16:55] mais um cristo... n leu as release notes! [16:56] I bet he will come back screaming touchpad doesn't work :\ [16:56] :-) [17:00] BUGabundo, I can't stand the touchpad thing. I use a mouse even with our laptop :) [17:00] I use it a lot . so no tapping is a drag [17:01] I hate touchpads [17:04] joaopinto: you just use Desktops. you don't count === WelshDragon is now known as YDdraigGoch [17:05] BUGabundo, nope, thinkpad all the way [17:51] I want to upgrade to Karmic and assit with testing, but I don't want to just upgrade, I want to reformat and install with ext4, but I need backup all my personal data. Trying to get enough room for backup on my external harddrive by deleting a bunch of crap. [17:51] *to much anime and porn [18:02] !language | ripps: [18:02] ripps:: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly. [18:02] ripps: please avoid _some_ of those words, ok? [18:02] BUGabundo::: is there a certain way i should be upgrading each morning? [18:03] sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade is fine right? [18:03] billybigrigger: ~~~ [18:03] ahhh you mean getting updates [18:03] billybigrigger, dist-upgrade is better [18:03] I recommend using Update-Manager [18:03] ~~~ ? whats that :) [18:03] so it also aplies Policie changes [18:03] update-manager never pops up for me [18:03] if that fails, use aptitude safe-upgrade [18:04] billybigrigger: that's a bug ^W feature of Jaunty [18:04] bug 332945 [18:04] Launchpad bug 332945 in null "[Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/332945 [18:04] I can't believe its still active! [18:04] I have 141 unread emails from that bug alone [18:04] hah [18:05] not funny. believe me [18:05] I know a few users how left Ubuntu after "that" _decision_ [18:06] what decision? to make update-manager pop up? [18:06] or not pop up? [18:07] to pop up, and remove the tray icon [18:07] now that we talk on It [18:07] let me update my system, again [18:11] hi I added https://launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/+archive/ppa [18:11] repos it has empathy 2.27.3 [18:11] and I have.27.2 [18:12] so when I upgrade I still get I have latest version [18:12] I think it is bcoz there are two versions in the ppa [18:12] empathy - 2.27.3-0ubuntu1 [18:12] tgpraveen: hi [18:12] and empathy - 2.27.2-2~ppa1 [18:12] please pastebin $apt-cache policy empathy [18:12] so how do I get the .3 version? [18:13] empathy: [18:13] Installed: 2.27.2-1ubuntu1~ppa9.04+1 [18:13] Candidate: 2.27.2-1ubuntu1~ppa9.04+1 [18:13] Version table: [18:13] *** 2.27.2-1ubuntu1~ppa9.04+1 0 [18:13] 500 http://ppa.launchpad.net jaunty/main Packages [18:13] 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status [18:13] 2.26.1-1ubuntu1 0 [18:13] 500 http://archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages [18:13] !paste | tgpraveen [18:13] tgpraveen: pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/index.php?page=add | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic [18:13] read man!!!! [18:13] sorry [18:14] np [18:14] please DON'T do it again ok ? [18:14] ok [18:14] tgpraveen: $ sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude safe-upgrade [18:14] pastebin any errors or warnings. thanks [18:15] Need to get 107MB of archives. After unpacking 16.3MB will be freed. [18:15] damn [18:15] well, I am jaunty still, #ubuntu was full so I thought maybe I could some help here please help (I know it's a little bit cheating ;-) ) [18:16] mutt getting upgraded? this I have to see [18:16] yeah it OT, actually [18:16] so I shouldn't do that safe-upgrade [18:16] do it [18:16] its SAFE [18:17] are you using the jaunty repo or karmic, from the PPA? [18:17] I was using the jaunty [18:17] oh jaunty [18:17] buit now I see the prob [18:17] just checked your paste [18:17] the .3 ver is for karmic series only [18:17] yeah that could be it [18:17] damn I thoought it was for jaunty also [18:17] ok [18:17] thanks [18:18] np [18:18] anyways. last time I upgraded to jaunty at alpha 4 or so [18:18] maybe it will be [18:18] this I might do it sooner it seems [18:18] its just building [18:18] tgpraveen: feel free to join us [18:18] its quite nice, actually [18:19] could you tell me any changes from jaunty currently in karmic except for the background cahnges (grub,ext4,etc [18:23] tgpraveen: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicKoala/TechnicalOverview === _Siegfried is now known as Siegfried [18:45] * robin0800_ is away: Gone away for now [19:00] in case you missed it: Ubuntu Global Jam NOW on #ubuntu-meeting [19:43] now i remember why thunderbird > evolution [19:43] LordKow: eheh [19:43] why? [19:43] BUGabundo: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution/+bug/381164 [19:43] Launchpad bug 381164 in evolution "database disk image is malformed" [Low,Incomplete] [19:44] i guess i'll give evolution the benefit of the doubt and blame sqlit [19:44] *sqlite [19:45] hello [19:45] did anybody notice gtk applications crashing? [19:45] i just had a gtk application crash but i dont think it has anything to do with gtk. [19:45] hexa-: not here [19:46] well i have eclipse crashing with a libgtk error [19:46] nautilus is crashing on some folders [19:46] and tragtor won't even open giving a libgtk error [19:46] having a file open/save/whatever dialog navigating to the same folders as in nautilus makes the whole program crash [19:47] what r the best new features? [19:47] joejc: depends. [19:47] on? [19:47] hexa-: fully updated? [19:47] see the blogs, or the ubuntu planet [19:47] BUGabundo: yes. [19:47] hey joejc [19:48] hi [19:48] hexa-: are you sure? what mirror? [19:48] de.archive.* [19:48] joejc: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicKoala/TechnicalOverview [19:48] is there a more current one? [19:48] hexa-: can you change to main and try again? [19:48] minus de.? [19:49] okay [19:49] boot time faster? [19:49] unrelated updates [19:49] compiz, mplayer, update-manager... [19:51] hexa-: can't reproduce [19:51] but someone was here 2 days with some probs [19:52] nvm that [19:52] i'm trying and searching launchpad [19:52] ok [19:52] hexa-: let me know about it too [19:52] i will [19:55] thanks === bac` is now known as bac [20:27] why does ubuntu +2 go here? [20:27] joejc: sorry? [20:28] if u join #ubuntu+2 it goes here [20:28] eheeh [20:28] well [20:28] because there is no +2 yet announced [20:28] joejc: cause it's the devel version ? [20:28] there is no newer than +1 [20:29] why is there no channel for the people that are 6months ahead of the dev version? [20:29] because it would not exist... [20:29] why not? [20:29] ubuntu uses debian sid upstream for the new distros [20:29] they begin the new development with a merge from debian sid [20:30] u cannot talk about things that don't exist right now [20:30] errr [20:30] not exacly but lets leave it like that [20:30] well :D [20:30] +2 exists... on blueprints [20:30] and this # serves BOTH [20:30] okay :o [20:30] arnt there things that cant be completed in 6 months? [20:34] BUGabundo: does nautilus have some sort of debugging? [20:34] Hi there. I would like to explore how the work with Karmic Koala is going. Like what features will be implemented. Does it exist? [20:34] because when i start it from console and make it crash it doesnt give a clue [20:34] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicKoala/TechnicalOverview [20:34] hexa-: yes [20:34] !debug | hexa- [20:34] hexa-: For help debugging your program, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProcedures [20:35] thanks [20:35] hexa-, The link you provided, it shows whats in alpha 2. Am looking for meeting protocols or similar [20:36] hexa-, Maybe "blueprints" is the right word here? [20:36] yes [20:36] maybe :) [20:37] BUGabundo: so i start nautilus like this: $ G_DEBUG=fatal_criticals nautilus [20:37] but it doesn't give any output [20:37] hexa-, Is this the right page to watch if I want to follow how the work with Karmic Koala is going? https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic [20:37] it just goes back to prompt and nautilus starts [20:37] !blueprints | Blinkiz [20:37] Blinkiz: Want to suggest or discuss ideas of a future project/feature? With Launchpad you can track blueprints (feature specification summaries) from discussion through review, approval, and implementation. See https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ [20:38] hexa-: yeah that's one way [20:38] --g-fatal-warnings doesnt work either [20:41] did you replace with nautilus? [20:41] yes [20:41] it starts [20:41] the console goes back to the prompt [20:42] can't even get a backtrace with gdb :| [20:46] hexa-: did you added the ddeb repo ? [20:46] and run apt-get update? [20:46] eh no [20:46] then installed the nautilus gdb-symb packages? [20:46] ahh [20:46] then how do you expect to have it running on gdb? [20:47] hm ok [20:50] does the dbgsym package replace mit nautilus binary? [20:50] mit = my [20:51] hexa: gdb /usr/bin/nautilus $(pidof nautilus) [20:52] then type run [20:52] yeah what Sarvatt said [20:52] hi Sarvatt [20:53] wow that is weird [20:53] it doesnt crash anymore [20:53] :o [20:54] ah now again [20:54] so when i do gdb [...] gdb loads the symbols [20:54] then i type run and it tells me the debugging has already started and if i wanted to restart it, i say yes and nautilus opens [20:55] nautilus window stays open and in the console appear [20:55] Program exited normally. [20:55] hexa-: now type bt full [20:55] to get a trace [20:55] i did [20:55] it says No Stack [20:56] http://paste.ubuntuusers.de/395556/ [20:57] ahh [20:57] you don't run It again [20:58] if i don't run it again no window opens [20:58] hexa-: now you get some one with better eyes to look at it [20:58] maybe Sarvatt can help [20:58] okay [20:58] other wise you will have to ask seb128 on #ubuntu-devel [20:58] Sarvatt: you still around? [20:58] thank you [20:59] theres no crash or problem there to backtrace [20:59] np [20:59] well [20:59] i need to explain something [21:00] until i rerun nautilus in gdb i couldnt cause they crash [21:00] because there is no window open [21:00] it doesnt start and theres no error when you just run nautilus in terminal? [21:00] when i rerun the window opens but in gdb it says instantly the Program exited normaly, even though it is still open [21:01] it doesnt start in specific directorys [21:01] oh well, wait [21:01] it starts in the directory [21:01] but if I change to it from another directory it crashes [21:01] no nvm [21:02] leave it open in gdb and let it crash, it'll tell you when it crashes and you can do a bt full in there [21:02] thats what doesnt work [21:02] ah nvm [21:02] i think i know what you mean :o [21:02] it'll leave the window open and you cant interact with it, thats normal [21:03] * robin0800_ is back. [21:03] http://paste.ubuntuusers.de/395557/ [21:03] it goes this far without me interacting any further [21:03] but i cant open anyy nautilus windows at that point [21:04] type run [21:04] and hit y [21:04] then try your best to crash it [21:04] http://paste.ubuntuusers.de/395558/ [21:04] it adds this [21:04] and drops me back to the gdb prompt [21:04] nautilus window has opened at that point [21:05] and stays open [21:05] weird [21:05] as if a new thread was forked [21:05] yeah it'll stay open until you close gdb [21:05] no [21:05] it stays open even if i close gdb [21:08] probably still have an old gdb session going, can ya kill all of the nautilus and gdb processes and try again? [21:08] ok [21:09] nautilus automatically restarts [21:11] ah? [21:11] no it doesn't [21:11] i type killall -9 nautilus [21:11] and a second later ps |grep nautilus [21:11] there is another session reopened [21:13] let me try [21:13] its displaying your desktop icons [21:13] exactly [21:14] ahh [21:14] it happens [21:14] LOL [21:14] if you run nautilus seperately it opens the file manager though, did it get rid of the one that was hanging around open that you said? [21:14] when you killall'ed it [21:15] dunno [21:15] ill retry gdb [21:15] still the same [21:23] anyone having trouble with FANS not stopping? [21:25] on a laptop? [21:25] yep [21:25] always hearing this horrible sound [21:26] I know its HOT here [21:26] but still it used to be quieter [21:26] I wonder if it is kernel bug [21:26] or hibernation [21:26] 21:26:28 up 4 days, 6:29, 6 users, load average: 1.59, 0.98, 0.76 [21:26] woot [21:26] must be a record [21:26] usually after 2 or 3 I need a reboot [21:27] are you running karmic? [21:28] of course [21:29] since week 1,5 [21:29] LOL [21:29] sweet :) I've not run it on a real box yet [21:30] I do [21:31] I'll have to try it on my lt, project for the weekend [22:04] !backports [22:04]