[04:16] <macvr> _MMA_: Hi... http://files.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/smiley1.png this my WIP smirk, this is the gnome smirk > http://files.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/face-smirk.png ...Check out the eyes... Do the eyes in mine look OK?
[04:34] <dashua> http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/16659/screenshot_l55gj8.png ; http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/16658/screenshot_gd69Ds.png ; http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/16656/screenshot_005_fe8Hg9.png
[04:34] <dashua> Blue attempt is coming along
[05:30] <macvr> _MMA_: busy? could you give feedback on my  ^
[05:31] <macvr> _MMA_: also i'm a bit stumped about , what details to add 128px smileys ?
[09:26] <macvr> thorwil:hi... did you clean up the breathe wiki too?
[09:27] <thorwil> macvr: no, haven't touched it since a long time
[09:28] <macvr> thorwil: some one has! how do i view historyof the wiki changes? a lot of the attachments are deleted!
[09:29] <thorwil> macvr: the Info link
[09:29] <thorwil> macvr: though i'm not sure how the attachments are handled
[09:30] <thorwil> macvr: but if you see a lot of text links instead of images, that could be due to the wiki surge protection
[09:30] <thorwil> aka let-us-make-good-use-of-the-wiki protection
[09:31] <macvr> thorwil: info also shows the attachments history... Michote seems to have deleted!
[09:32] <macvr> thorwil: isnt he new? should i send a mail regarding his inappropriate deletion of other s work?
[09:34] <thorwil> macvr: he deleted other than his own submissions?
[09:34] <macvr> yes! a lot of them... even andrew,s folder
[09:35] <thorwil> macvr: if so, contact Cory. or send mail to michote and ask him what he was thinking, CCing Cory
[09:35] <macvr> yeah... will do... thanx
[09:37] <thorwil> macvr: as long as we can't be sure what happened, i would keep it off the list
[09:37] <macvr> thorwil: check the this link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/BreatheIconSet/Submissions?action=info
[09:38] <thorwil> yeah, did already
[09:39] <macvr> so shall i send to list too?
[09:40] <macvr> i hadnt backed up a couple of stuff!
[09:40] <thorwil> macvr: no, mail to michote and Cory
[09:40] <macvr> ok...
[09:41] <thorwil> macvr: i guess you can just go back to a revision before the deletions and retrieve the attachments from there
[09:41] <macvr> NO :(
[09:46] <thorwil> macvr: ok, i see the wiki is a bit stuoid in that regard, but you can view the text revisions and get the images and svg right from the page
[09:47] <thorwil> you just can't bring up the attachments list for any but the current rev
[09:48] <macvr> i kinda think its probably ideal... not to over load the wiki with old unwanted stuff...
[09:48] <thorwil> macvr: also, each ATTNEW has view anf get links ...
[09:49] <thorwil> macvr: anyway, do keep backups and consider using version management at home
[09:49] <macvr> but such new users being "helpful" is scary!
[09:49] <macvr> yeah backups is good!
[09:49] <macvr> :(
[09:50] <thorwil> you could even open a bzr branch at launchpad
[09:51] <macvr> ah... ! bzr seems too complicated... maybe when i have time , i'll look into it :)
[09:52] <thorwil> macvr: it's dead simple, actually
[09:52] <thorwil> things only get a little complicated with merging and stuff, but that never happens with a single user branch
[09:53] <macvr> another thing... my "work" is too minuscule for a separate branch :P
[09:53] <thorwil> macvr: no
[09:54] <macvr> :)
[09:54] <thorwil> there's no reason not to have a branch for just a text file or just 1 or a handful of icons
[09:55] <macvr> oh... i didnt know that....
[09:56] <macvr> maybe as i said when i have patience , i'll open one....  right now i figuring a way NOT to yell at michote in the mail :/
[14:19] <dashua> SiDi: Sup mate?
[14:21]  * dashua ponders updating to Karmic on his production machine
[14:21] <dashua> It's running 10X better than Jaunty on my Dell Mini
[14:25] <kwwii> anyone thinking about updating to a pre-release version should know that things can go horribly wrong (like when jaunty ruined my cd burner)
[14:29] <dashua> Jaunty was rock solid apart from a few audio issues.  I started at A3.  The development versions are becoming very solid.
[14:29] <dashua> Wow, no CD burner is not good.
[14:29] <dashua> I did it for the netbook for the kernel and the intel improvements and it was definitely worth it.
[14:30] <kwwii> the kernel wiped the firmware on my burner making it useless
[14:30] <dashua> UNR and Compiz did not work at all together on Jaunty, Karmic is working good.
[14:31] <dashua> Oh damn.  They really does suck.
[14:31] <kwwii> funny thing is, it still works in windows
[14:32] <dashua> Ha
[14:32] <dashua> It's usually the other way around
[14:39] <dashua> Hrm, where is this Mac-like OSX look we're going for described on the mailing list?
[14:39] <macvr> ^ haha
[14:41] <macvr> kwwii: there seems to be a problem with the download-them-all firefox extension and wiki... seems one member has deleted a lot of attachments by using it...!
[14:42] <macvr> kwwii: i'v asked him to report to the mailing list with a list of all the pages he has used the plugin... maybe since you have the extension.. could you check out what the problem is and warn members not to use it..
[14:50] <SiDi> dashua: fine, you ?
[14:50] <SiDi> karmic a3 is out ?
[14:50] <dashua> Good, weather is not good here
[14:50] <dashua> A2 was just released not too long ago
[14:51] <SiDi> weather is HOT here*
[14:52] <SiDi> just back from buying ice cream  :D
[14:52] <dashua> Rain :(
[14:53] <dashua> I came up with a blue kwasi version of Hanso.  I actually liked it for about a day, now back to brown =/
[14:54] <SiDi> kwasi ?
[14:54] <dashua> http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/16659/screenshot_l55gj8.png ; http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/16658/screenshot_gd69Ds.png ; http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/16656/screenshot_005_fe8Hg9.png
[14:54] <dashua> Based on, hacked up version
[14:55] <SiDi> it doesnt render good :(
[14:56] <dashua> Blue is not for me =/
[15:04] <kwwii> macvr: I cannot see any way that it can erase files from a wiki
[15:05] <kwwii> I used it to download but it kept hitting the surge protection
[15:06] <macvr> kwwii: i dont know how he did it... but i'v told him to provide more details to the mailing list... i think he is now tracing all the pages !
[15:06] <kwwii> freaky
[15:06] <kwwii> be sure the conversation makes it to the mailing list
[15:06] <macvr> kwwii: But this could happen to everone using downthemall-oneclick.
[15:06] <macvr> I found that if you click one pixel beside the real link and use right.click => downthmeall-oneclick,
[15:06] <macvr> it will start mass downloading and will visit all delete-links (filtering it as a download link).
[15:07] <macvr> ^that was his response
[15:17] <kwwii> ouch
[15:18] <kwwii> double ouch
[15:18] <kwwii> yes, that deserves and email
[15:18] <kwwii> and probably to more people than just this list
[15:22] <macvr> kwwii: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/BreatheIconSet/Submissions?action=info check out this page... you can see his accidental deletions... he is now adding the images back again... and i told him to definitely report this to the mailing list
[15:22] <kwwii> yeah, just read his email
[15:22] <kwwii> nasty that
[15:22] <kwwii> I just sent one telling people not to use it until we figure this out
[15:22] <kwwii> thanks for bringing this to my attention
[15:23] <macvr> np...
[15:23] <kwwii> then again, it would be a great way to delete things without giving an explanation :p
[15:23] <kwwii> Oops, your stuff is gone, if it was important, put it back up :p
[15:23] <macvr> haha .. you evil man :P
[15:26] <kwwii> ;)
[15:26] <kwwii> time for a break, bbl
[15:41] <michote> Hi
[15:41] <macvr> michote: for the devil-smiley... the top color is good , but the bottom becomes too dark
[15:42] <macvr> how many stops have you used for the red gradient?
[15:42] <michote> which one?
[15:42] <macvr> both use the same red color right?
[15:43] <michote> the one of the backround and the horns yes
[15:43] <Viper550> hey
[15:43] <macvr> michote: i mean the face red gradient
[15:46] <michote> macvr: I use 3 stops, the darkest is #901010ff
[15:46] <macvr> delete the darkest
[15:50] <macvr> michote: i just tried in my system... just deleting the  the darkest #901010ff , and leaving it as just 2 stops... makes the smileys bright... i feel this is better...
[15:50] <michote> macvr: ok http://ubuntu-pics.de/bild/16684/face_devil_sad_WaOhGD.png
[15:51] <macvr> michote: yup , this looks brighter... :)
[15:51] <macvr> michote: for the horns, have you tried thorwil's suggestions?
[15:51] <michote> macvr: I even made some coour-studys on glasses ;)
[15:51] <michote> http://ubuntu-pics.de/bild/16685/face_glasses_dark_4sK2y1.png
[15:53] <macvr> michote: i really like the glases... but dont know which to choose :P
[15:53] <michote> macvr: yes, they use the facegradient now and blur on the outline and highlight
[15:54] <macvr> michote: i think the dark blue glasses are better..
[15:55] <macvr> michote: i think you misunderstood... he meant blur near the bottom , so that the horns merge with the face and there is no line
[15:56] <macvr> shine of the version in the wiki was nice, this one the horn shine has too much blur
[15:57] <michote> macvr: I didn't changed the blur of the shine
[15:58] <michote> I used blur on the outline to get the mergeeffect but getting a schadow under the horn
[15:58] <macvr> michote: check the 48px and 32px , the right horns have a second line! i think accidentally you have changed something
[15:59] <michote> macvr: I'll upload a blue version to the wiki
[16:01] <macvr> michote: even the 22px horn has that second line.... i think its the shadow from the back...
[16:02] <michote> macvr: the 128px has it, as well, I used one to fit the blur outline of the base, the other i used with a little offset as a shadow
[16:03] <thorwil> macvr: i actually meant blur for shading
[16:03] <thorwil> horns look allright to me now
[16:04] <thorwil> for the glasses, i'd pick bottom left. or something betwwen top left and bottom left
[16:05] <michote> thorwil: something betwwen top left and bottom left would be like bottom right
[16:06] <michote> I used dark red in bottom-left
[16:07] <thorwil> hmm, seems to have a slight blueish shift
[16:11]  * thorwil -> bicycle
[16:21] <michote> macvr: So what? ;)
[16:21] <michote> which glasses and should I change the horns once again?
[16:49] <macvr> michote: back...
[16:52] <macvr> michote: something wrong with my eyes! i see a shadow in the png but not in the svg!
[16:52] <macvr> the glasses blue seems nice
[16:53] <macvr> ^ the top left one
[16:53] <michote> did you opend the svg or just in nautilus?
[16:54] <michote> nautilus sometimes doesn't render everything in its preview
[16:55] <macvr> i opened it in inkscape only now... which shows no double line of the right horn .... but in the wiki and also the one you have hosted i see double lines in the right horn!
[16:56] <macvr> if you dont see it... ignore... i think i was looking at the LCD for tooooo long!
[16:56] <Viper550> http://grub.gibibit.com/ ypuv
[16:56] <Viper550> *you've seen this?
[16:58] <macvr> michote: if you dont see the double line of the right horn in the 48,32,22px ignore it... and upload the new version
[16:58] <macvr> Viper550: wow... looks nice
[16:59] <macvr> But usplash does it well too
[16:59] <Viper550> that's for grub 2
[17:00] <macvr> maybe they'll add this for karmic... since they are using grub2
[17:10] <michote> macvr: done
[17:29] <macvr> michote: when you are doing artwork... it is sometimes helpful being on the irc... look out for thorwil , he is very helpful and one of the devs involved in breathe
[17:29] <SiDi> and dont look out for sidi
[17:29] <SiDi> he's a troll
[17:29] <macvr> definately not SiDi :P
[17:29] <michote> Ok, i'll be here more often ;)
[17:30] <macvr> michote: But Cory is the main... his nick is _MMA_
[17:30] <macvr> they might take time to respond , but be patient :)
[17:31] <macvr> SiDi: what have you been upto besides remember when everyone eats? :P
[17:31] <macvr> remembering^
[17:31] <SiDi> What did the GIMP devs smoke when they decided a layer should have a height and a width instead of just using its alpha...
[17:31] <michote> we definately need a face-raspberry in reathe
[17:31] <SiDi> macvr: coding, lately
[17:31] <SiDi> and not having the internet, too
[17:32] <SiDi> and buying icecream
[17:32] <macvr> michote: as i said already said... finishing the ones in the list first , then rest
[17:32] <michote> ok, I'm on face-angel now
[17:33]  * macvr suddenly has a craving for ice cream
[17:33]  * SiDi hates gimp
[17:34] <macvr> michote: for the rest of the smileys, here is the list> http://standards.freedesktop.org/icon-naming-spec/icon-naming-spec-latest.html#guidelines
[17:38] <michote> thanks, but there're some different names than on submission (devilish, cool), it's like the gnom-icons
[17:39] <michote> does anybody know a good referenz for a gloriole?
[17:40] <SiDi> I wish the "align" tool of gimp could ALIGN my f***in layers
[17:45] <macvr> michote: have you edited the appointment soon? my version
[17:47] <michote> no I just downloaded the svg from the wiki and created a png from it using a nautilus-skript and uploaded it to the wiki
[17:48] <macvr> michote: the png is fuzzy... !
[17:48] <macvr> why are you using nautilus script?
[17:48] <macvr> you can export from inkscape
[17:49] <michote> yes, but I had to convert about 15 svg to png at once to restore all I deleted
[17:50] <macvr> luckily i have a backup of that...
[17:50] <michote> I used quality 100 in the script, but maybe its worse the export of inkscape
[17:51] <macvr> did you use the script for the devil smileys too?
[17:58] <macvr> michote: i'v re-uploaded my version of the appointment-soon
[18:02] <michote> no, on the smileys I used the export of inkscpe
[18:04] <michote> it was just on this accident on the wiki, I didn't want to open 15 svg, change the export path and export, when there is a script for it.
[18:05] <michote> I didn't know that it is worse
[18:18] <SiDi> How can i forbid gimp to draw the borders of layers ?
[18:26] <macvr> SiDi: ^haha ... looks like GIMP is really p**sing  you off!
[18:30] <SiDi> OH REALLY ?
[18:33] <SiDi> aaaargh
[18:33] <SiDi> how can i edit gradients Q_Q ?
[18:33]  * SiDi seriously doesnt wonder why people pay for photoshop Q.Q
[18:52] <IHateGimp> is it really impossible to have a gradient with THREE DAMN COLOURS ,
[18:56] <michote> no, rightclick in the gradient editor and duplicat segment
[18:59] <IHateGimp> but how to change the color of this segment ?
[23:16] <SiDi> good night everyone
[23:19] <kwwii> yeah, night all
[23:56] <lamalex> Does anyone have time to make a mockup?
[23:56] <lamalex> The ubuntu-us teams project is working on an interactive map for state locos, but the info popup is a little bit ugly and could use a designers touch
[23:56] <lamalex> http://divajutta.com/doctormo/locomap/locomap-fill.svg <-- current
[23:59] <MTecknology> lamalex: just fyi - it's the ubuntu-drupal team ;)
[23:59] <lamalex> meh, whatever
[23:59] <lamalex> doesn't really matter