| Corey | So noone knows then ? | 00:00 |
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| * robert_ancell reads about GtkActionGroup | 00:00 | |
| rickspencer3 | Corey: this is not really a place where people wold know | 00:00 |
| Corey | where would i found out then ? | 00:00 |
| rickspencer3 | hmmm | 00:00 |
| rickspencer3 | #ubuntu, maybe? | 00:00 |
| Corey | I also wish to know if in the next realise, maybe LAMP should should be pre-installed.... | 00:01 |
| Corey | #ubuntu I have tried | 00:01 |
| rickspencer3 | Corey: in terms of LAMP, that would be for the server guys, i would think | 00:01 |
| rickspencer3 | there is a product called Ubuntu server that is good for that | 00:01 |
| rickspencer3 | the desktop, not so much | 00:02 |
| Corey | Is there any wehre were you can put in requests for next editions | 00:02 |
| rickspencer3 | Corey: yes | 00:02 |
| robert_ancell | rickspencer3: It appears you use them to logically group your actions, the example the docs give is having a group per document and joining all those actions together to make the menus. I've never used them though | 00:02 |
| rickspencer3 | Ubuntu has an open planning process | 00:02 |
| Corey | wheres that ? | 00:02 |
| Corey | Do you have the URL ? | 00:03 |
| rickspencer3 | https://wiki.ubuntu.com | 00:03 |
| Ampelbein | Laney: i have an own version of that script running, the result is at http://217.11.53.243/new/versions.psp . it enhances seb128's version with comments. code available at https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~amoog/+junk/desktop-versions | 00:04 |
| Corey | Cheers I'll check it out | 00:04 |
| Laney | Ampelbein: Cool, I suggested that addition earlier | 00:04 |
| rickspencer3 | robert_ancell: I didn't find that doc, could you please me link? | 00:04 |
| rickspencer3 | but essentially, they are optional? | 00:04 |
| Ampelbein | Laney: i don't know if that will work on people.ubuntu.com though. it needs mod_python enabled to dynamically generate the comments in html. | 00:05 |
| Laney | Ampelbein: find out how MoM does it? | 00:05 |
| robert_ancell | rickspencer3: http://library.gnome.org/devel/gtk/unstable/GtkActionGroup.html | 00:05 |
| robert_ancell | rickspencer3: i guess so? | 00:05 |
| Ampelbein | Laney: pretty much, yeah. the newcomment.py is "inspired" by MoM ;-) | 00:05 |
| Laney | then I'd guess it should be alright | 00:05 |
| rickspencer3 | robert_ancell: right, so I read through that, but it's not clear why you need actiongroups | 00:06 |
| rickspencer3 | I'll keep plugging, thanks | 00:06 |
| robert_ancell | rickspencer3: let me know too :) | 00:08 |
| Ampelbein | Laney: I'll have a chat with seb128 tomorrow, let's see what he thinks about it. | 00:10 |
| Laney | sweet | 00:10 |
| Laney | I guess I should do this update with a bzr merge | 00:11 |
| rickspencer3 | robert_ancell: I guess you nest actions in an action group element, but glade does not seem to support this :( | 00:16 |
| robert_ancell | rickspencer3: it sounds like relatively new functionality. Probably don't want to mention it to quickly users | 00:17 |
| rickspencer3 | right | 00:17 |
| robert_ancell | rickspencer3: We should probably make a cut down version of http://library.gnome.org/devel/gtk-tutorial/unstable/ | 00:17 |
| rickspencer3 | except that I don't think we should tell people to use the DOM | 00:18 |
| rickspencer3 | I think you are supposed to inline XML | 00:18 |
| rickspencer3 | I think glade has not caught up with gtkbuilder yet | 00:18 |
| robert_ancell | We need a gap document... | 00:19 |
| rickspencer3 | robert_ancell: do you think we should forget about actions and such for quickly? | 00:19 |
| rickspencer3 | just bind the controls right to signal handlers and forget all the action/action group stuff, I suppose | 00:19 |
| robert_ancell | rickspencer3: yes, I think we should only mention basic functionality (let people find out about more advanced stuff themselves) | 00:19 |
| rickspencer3 | right, especially since the "advanced stuff" is totally half bakes wrt glade | 00:20 |
| robert_ancell | rickspencer3: absolutely. Glade is aiming to support everything but it will take time | 00:21 |
| robert_ancell | rickspencer3: Is there a wiki space for quickly? I think we need to write down what sort of applications a quickly user would create, then look at can we do that and how hard it would be | 00:23 |
| rickspencer3 | the whole system seems unnecessarily complex ... I think it should be a simple matter to build abstraction around it, but I just can't figure some of the stuff out | 00:23 |
| rickspencer3 | robert_ancell: please, be my guest | 00:23 |
| rickspencer3 | https://edge.launchpad.net/~quickly | 00:23 |
| rickspencer3 | you could add bluerpints and such | 00:24 |
| robert_ancell | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Quickly | 00:24 |
| rickspencer3 | There's some strange relationships between actiongroups, actions, accellgroups, accellerators, and widgets | 00:24 |
| rickspencer3 | but no one has documented the relationship (that I can find) | 00:24 |
| rickspencer3 | just the interfaces for the individual classes | 00:25 |
| rickspencer3 | oh right, and accell paths | 00:25 |
| rickspencer3 | you need like six classes to set up simple key bindings | 00:26 |
| rickspencer3 | </rant> | 00:26 |
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| pitti | Good morning | 06:44 |
| pitti | kenvandine: they fit right now, but have zero i18n support | 06:45 |
| didrocks | good morning pitti o/ | 07:22 |
| pitti | hey didrocks, bonjour | 07:35 |
| crevette | & good morning | 07:53 |
| didrocks | hello crevette / | 07:53 |
| crevette | hey hey didrocks | 07:53 |
| huats | morning everyone | 08:02 |
| MacSlow | Greetings everybody! | 08:10 |
| seb128 | good morning there | 08:19 |
| didrocks | hi seb128! | 08:24 |
| mvo | hey seb128 | 08:24 |
| mvo | hey didrocks | 08:24 |
| seb128 | hey didrocks mvo | 08:24 |
| didrocks | hello mvo | 08:24 |
| robert_ancell | seb128: morning seb, check out the versions script.. | 08:29 |
| seb128 | hello robert_ancell | 08:29 |
| vuntz | seb128: my dear friend | 08:30 |
| vuntz | seb128: I know you want to be my tester :-) | 08:30 |
| seb128 | hey vuntz, yes? | 08:31 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, checking | 08:31 |
| * vuntz tests the bugs out of xephyr before using his seb128 joker | 08:33 | |
| seb128 | vuntz, what are you playing with? | 08:34 |
| vuntz | just triaging some panel bugs | 08:35 |
| vuntz | I can't reproduce http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=332054 and http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=570458 | 08:35 |
| ubottu | Gnome bug 332054 in Panel "Autohide second panel at the top of the screen makes desktop icons jump" [Normal,New] | 08:35 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, trying to update but the server seems to not give any data today | 08:35 |
| seb128 | ie it's hanging ... | 08:35 |
| seb128 | ah, working now | 08:35 |
| seb128 | waouh, lot of good work there! | 08:36 |
| robert_ancell | :) | 08:37 |
| * seb128 run update to see the httml | 08:38 | |
| seb128 | html | 08:38 |
| seb128 | waouh! | 08:38 |
| robert_ancell | it's the one stop desktop shop | 08:39 |
| vuntz | seb128: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=576865 is a bug in some Ubuntu patch, fwiw | 08:39 |
| didrocks | seb128: can you update the online version, please? :) | 08:39 |
| ubottu | Gnome bug 576865 in general "gnome-panel crashed with SIGSEGV in IA__gtk_widget_hide()" [Critical,Resolved: notgnome] | 08:39 |
| seb128 | didrocks, pitti, mvo: http://people.ubuntu.com/~seb128/versions.html | 08:39 |
| robert_ancell | seb128: I think you missed my last push, it gets the non GNOME stuff too | 08:40 |
| seb128 | ^ check out, robert_ancell rocked today | 08:40 |
| mvo | nice | 08:40 |
| didrocks | seb128: waow, nice ^^ | 08:40 |
| pitti | awesome! | 08:40 |
| pitti | the ordering is much better now, and bug links FTW | 08:40 |
| didrocks | congrats robert_ancell ;) | 08:40 |
| pitti | robert_ancell: *hug* | 08:40 |
| robert_ancell | thanks all! | 08:40 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, I've revision | 08:41 |
| seb128 | 15 | 08:41 |
| robert_ancell | what is the bzr command to list revision? | 08:41 |
| seb128 | bzr log | less? ;-) | 08:42 |
| pitti | robert_ancell: list what? | 08:42 |
| robert_ancell | I have 18 | 08:42 |
| seb128 | did you push your changes? | 08:42 |
| robert_ancell | pitti: list the revision | 08:42 |
| robert_ancell | I pushed them as you were downloading. they seem all pushed | 08:42 |
| * seb128 pulls again | 08:42 | |
| seb128 | that's being sloooow today for some reason | 08:43 |
| robert_ancell | pitti: what was the issue with the builds last night? | 08:43 |
| seb128 | what issue? | 08:43 |
| pitti | robert_ancell: bzr log|head or bzr info -v | 08:43 |
| pitti | robert_ancell: new binutils was uploaded, should be fixed now | 08:43 |
| robert_ancell | pitti: The logs were gone when I woke up so I couldn't see that the problem was with gnome-games | 08:43 |
| robert_ancell | s/that/what | 08:43 |
| pitti | robert_ancell: I mailed you the two "real" FTBFSes | 08:44 |
| seb128 | if there is no log that's because there is a new build? | 08:44 |
| pitti | the others were just binutils fallout and were retried | 08:44 |
| robert_ancell | pitti: the links in the emails were dead | 08:44 |
| pitti | right, because of the mega give-back | 08:44 |
| pitti | robert_ancell: just delete them | 08:44 |
| seb128 | the build logs are cleaned when the builds are retried | 08:44 |
| seb128 | ok, bzr just hang on me today | 08:45 |
| * seb128 kicks launchpad | 08:45 | |
| pitti | robert_ancell: you can ook at https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-games -> click on top version to get the current logs | 08:45 |
| robert_ancell | pitti: i see now, thanks | 08:46 |
| seb128 | *shrug*, 160 bug emails during the night | 08:46 |
| seb128 | and -discuss is crazy too today | 08:46 |
| didrocks | seb128: I think you can almost mark all of them as read... a lot of trolls... :/ | 08:47 |
| seb128 | didrocks, I did go through those quickly yes | 08:47 |
| seb128 | I'm pondering un-subscribing | 08:48 |
| seb128 | the ratio signal noise is too high nowadays | 08:48 |
| didrocks | fortunately, I have two hours a day of transportation, that enables me to do/triage this paperwork thanks to my gphone ^^ | 08:49 |
| seb128 | urg, that's quite a lot | 08:49 |
| seb128 | ok, launchpad doesn't reply, reconnection to see if that's an issue there | 08:49 |
| didrocks | seiflotfy: "urg, that's quite a lot" -> Paris... ^^ | 08:50 |
| didrocks | oupss, sorry seiflotfy | 08:50 |
| pitti | seb128: hm, bzr push hangs for me as well | 08:50 |
| seb128 | pitti, ok thanks | 08:50 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, I will get your new revisions and update the page when they fix launchpad | 08:50 |
| robert_ancell | seb128: cool | 08:51 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, anyway good job, the page looks much better now ;-) | 08:51 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, btw how do you get versions for non GNOME components? | 08:51 |
| seb128 | I'm curious | 08:51 |
| crevette | didrocks, I thought you were working for cano, as I see you working a lot of time on packaging during the dauy | 08:51 |
| crevette | :) | 08:51 |
| seb128 | you look to the upstream tarballs? | 08:51 |
| robert_ancell | seb128: scan the pages for tarball names | 08:51 |
| robert_ancell | seb128: messy but works | 08:51 |
| didrocks | crevette: no, I'm just "effective" enough in my daily work so that people don't remark this :p | 08:52 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, you code the urls for each component in the source? | 08:52 |
| seb128 | didrocks, make me think about my job before canonical ;-) | 08:52 |
| robert_ancell | seb128: yes, each package has a URL. The GNOME packages all have the same URL and it uses vincents list instead for them | 08:52 |
| didrocks | seb128: :-) | 08:52 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, ok good, I know about the GNOME versions I did this one ;-) | 08:53 |
| seb128 | now we just need a way to run that script regularly somewhere | 08:53 |
| robert_ancell | seb128: I think we should split the script into two so it can scan for upstream versions each day and scan for LP bugs each time it is run | 08:53 |
| seb128 | I'm not sure where somewhere is yet though | 08:53 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, yeah I was thinking about something like that too, though maybe versions more often than 1 day on new GNOME days | 08:54 |
| robert_ancell | agreed | 08:54 |
| seb128 | pitti, mvo: any idea where I could run the versions script? | 08:55 |
| pitti | seb128: I'd use rookery | 08:55 |
| seb128 | rookery can't connect to ftp.debian.org | 08:55 |
| pitti | seb128: works fine for me | 08:56 |
| seb128 | weird | 08:56 |
| pitti | pitti@rookery:~$ wget http://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.html | 08:56 |
| seb128 | $ lftp ftp.debian.org | 08:57 |
| seb128 | lftp ftp.debian.org:~> debug 3 | 08:57 |
| seb128 | lftp ftp.debian.org:~> ls | 08:57 |
| seb128 | ---- Connecting to ftp.debian.org (130.89.149.226) port 21 | 08:57 |
| seb128 | **** Socket error (Connection refused) - reconnecting | 08:57 |
| pitti | seb128: ah, I guess the firewall allows http, but not ftp | 08:57 |
| seb128 | oh | 08:58 |
| seb128 | ok, that's easy then ;-) | 08:58 |
| seb128 | indeed, my experimental sources were using ftp, works when using http now | 08:59 |
| * pitti -> dentist, bbl | 09:05 | |
| seb128 | pitti, good luck | 09:07 |
| crevette | bzzzzZZZzz | 09:08 |
| chrisccoulson | robert_ancell - i assigned bug 388263 to myself. i already started it sometime ago, but it got sidelined due to other committments | 09:11 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 388263 in gnome-panel "Update to 2.26.2, merge with Debian" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/388263 | 09:11 |
| * chrisccoulson thinks all that green is too bright for his eyes | 09:12 | |
| robert_ancell | chrisccoulson: cool, I started working but ended up a bit lost :) | 09:13 |
| chrisccoulson | robert_ancell - it's quite a lot of work | 09:13 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, ok, update works now | 09:15 |
| seb128 | http://people.ubuntu.com/~seb128/versions.html updated | 09:17 |
| robert_ancell | chrisccoulson: less green for you now :) | 09:18 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, maybe we could split the page in 2 tables? | 09:18 |
| seb128 | there is some weird components you added there | 09:18 |
| seb128 | ie poedit? | 09:18 |
| robert_ancell | I dunno, I was just added stuff into extras that I had installed... I want to make the extras stuff invisible by default and have a toggle at the top of the page | 09:19 |
| seb128 | or blender? | 09:19 |
| seb128 | anyway it's already much better | 09:20 |
| seb128 | we can do tweaking on the way if required | 09:20 |
| seb128 | I will set a cron job today to update the list | 09:20 |
| robert_ancell | We should look at poularitycontest and make the top installed stuff able to be shown | 09:20 |
| seb128 | well, I think we have enough to do already | 09:20 |
| robert_ancell | Absolutely, it's always a work in progress. | 09:20 |
| seb128 | so we should probably limit that to components we work on | 09:20 |
| seb128 | or have 2 pages, one for ubuntu-desktop and one for extra components | 09:20 |
| seb128 | the other are nice to track but not a priority to work on for us | 09:21 |
| robert_ancell | Sure | 09:21 |
| robert_ancell | I tried to put everything in default_packages that is in the default desktop install | 09:21 |
| vuntz | stupid question: where's the show desktop button on the default panel on ubuntu? | 09:22 |
| seb128 | right | 09:22 |
| seb128 | vuntz, top right corner? | 09:22 |
| seb128 | hum | 09:22 |
| seb128 | ignore me, I'm not sure | 09:23 |
| seb128 | rather bottom left in fact I think ;-) | 09:23 |
| vuntz | so like upstream? | 09:23 |
| seb128 | yes | 09:23 |
| vuntz | okay... So I don't understand http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=540147 :-) | 09:23 |
| ubottu | Gnome bug 540147 in Show Desktop Button "show desktop on the left side" [Enhancement,Unconfirmed] | 09:24 |
| seb128 | vuntz, the guy says he's using mandriva | 09:24 |
| vuntz | yeah, but they said they were using upstream defaults... | 09:24 |
| vuntz | asking to mandriva people now | 09:25 |
| robert_ancell | bye all | 09:25 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, bye | 09:25 |
| didrocks | seb128: maybe we should differentiate "open task" (opened bug, in progress state") and "ready to sponsor" (bug in triaged state) in versions.html? Because here, we have no clue that bug-buddy is actively updated bu huats for instance, and if he opened a bug, you don't know if it's ready to be sponsored or not. | 09:28 |
| seb128 | didrocks, open a bug when you start on something subscribe sponsors when ready? | 09:28 |
| seb128 | we can easily look for the sponsor team being subscribed or not | 09:29 |
| didrocks | seb128: yes, also. We just have to put this information in the page. I can do it tonight. | 09:29 |
| seb128 | cool | 09:29 |
| seb128 | dpm, hello | 09:53 |
| seb128 | dpm, could you have a look to bug #357678 and try to make sure it gets fixed in the next italian language pack update? | 09:54 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 357678 in evolution "event time cannot be specified any more" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/357678 | 09:55 |
| seb128 | it's a frequent issue for italian users apparently | 09:55 |
| mvo | if noone mind, I can take the metacity sponsoring | 10:02 |
| seb128 | mvo, go for it, there is another update? pitti did an upload yesterday I think, check before if that was just a bug not closed or an another change | 10:02 |
| seb128 | oh ftbfs fix, ok good | 10:03 |
| mvo | seb128: its one from robert, it was not commited yet, fixes a build failure | 10:03 |
| seb128 | cool | 10:03 |
| * mvo uploads | 10:03 | |
| asac | mvo: hi | 10:03 |
| asac | mvo: do you have a minute or five today to discuss something on third party stuff? | 10:04 |
| mvo | asac: sure | 10:04 |
| mvo | asac: phonecall? | 10:04 |
| asac | mvo: yes. what time would be best (not right now please)? | 10:05 |
| dpm | seb128: hi, I'm reading the bug report right now... | 10:05 |
| seb128 | dpm, thanks | 10:06 |
| chrisccoulson | vuntz - iwas thinking about taking a look at fixing gnome bug 164057 if no-one else is interested in working on it. what are your thoughts on how it should behave? | 10:06 |
| ubottu | Error: Could not parse XML returned by Gnome: not well-formed (invalid token): line 76, column 27 (http://bugzilla.gnome.org/xml.cgi?id=164057) | 10:06 |
| chrisccoulson | ugh | 10:07 |
| chrisccoulson | http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=164057 | 10:07 |
| ubottu | Error: Could not parse XML returned by Gnome: not well-formed (invalid token): line 76, column 27 (http://bugzilla.gnome.org/xml.cgi?id=164057) | 10:07 |
| mvo | asac: after lunch? I don't really mind the time as long as its not too late | 10:07 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, there is a bug which has a patch to add a gconf key somewhere | 10:08 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=549788 | 10:09 |
| asac | mvo: when is lunch in your world? | 10:09 |
| ubottu | Gnome bug 549788 in Panel "Make MAX_ITEMS_OR_SUBMENU a gconf key" [Enhancement,Unconfirmed] | 10:09 |
| pitti | seb128: thanks, was just checking today; I have two followup sessions with real bzzzzzz now, though :/ | 10:09 |
| pitti | seb128, mvo: metacity yesterday was FTBFS, this will probably be the fix | 10:09 |
| pitti | so go for it | 10:09 |
| seb128 | pitti, checking what? I switched context since I pinged you I think ;-) | 10:09 |
| vuntz | chrisccoulson: no strong opinion. Calum's idea was nice, except that we'd need to put the most used locations inline. And we don't have the notion of "most used" | 10:10 |
| pitti | seb128: dentist | 10:10 |
| seb128 | oh right | 10:11 |
| seb128 | pitti, good ;-) | 10:11 |
| seb128 | not so much for the bzzzzzz though | 10:11 |
| pitti | two ancient fillings need to be replaced | 10:11 |
| seb128 | I will probably have some of those soon too | 10:12 |
| pitti | haven't been to the dentist for 3 years, was about time | 10:12 |
| seb128 | indeed | 10:12 |
| seb128 | I tend to go once a year for checking | 10:13 |
| seb128 | *shrug*, users complaining about logout sound not working | 10:14 |
| crevette | pitti, I went there two weeks ago, didn't went to see him for 5 years (shame) | 10:14 |
| crevette | I was happy when i told me "no problem" | 10:14 |
| crevette | :) | 10:14 |
| pitti | lucky you! | 10:15 |
| pitti | seb128: feature! | 10:15 |
| seb128 | pitti, "who cares"? ;-) | 10:15 |
| seb128 | the hundredpapercut is creating lot of noise for sure | 10:15 |
| seb128 | everybody claim having paper cut issues now | 10:15 |
| asac | crevette: do you know http://www.blueman-project.org/ ? | 10:23 |
| chrisccoulson | thanks seb128 | 10:23 |
| crevette | asac, I heard of it | 10:23 |
| chrisccoulson | vuntz - yeah, i like calum's idea too. i don't know how you define "most used" either really though | 10:24 |
| chrisccoulson | also, the bookmarks menu collapses in the same way too doesn't it? | 10:25 |
| asac | crevette: I think we need a package so we can test/compare | 10:25 |
| crevette | I seen a packaging in a PPA | 10:25 |
| asac | crevette: i tested gnome-bluetooth and asked me about a few things, which blueman seems to have addressed | 10:25 |
| asac | especially wrt to DUN networks | 10:26 |
| asac | crevette: any clue about that PPA? | 10:27 |
| crevette | I confess I don't do networking with bluetooth, so I can't say :), my use-case is quite limited | 10:27 |
| crevette | https://edge.launchpad.net/~blueman/+archive/ppa | 10:27 |
| asac | debian bug 448153 | 10:27 |
| ubottu | Debian bug 448153 in wnpp "ITP: blueman -- GTK+ bluetooth management utility for GNOME" [Wishlist,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/448153 | 10:27 |
| asac | thx | 10:30 |
| seb128 | brb | 10:30 |
| asac | which team is owning UNR? is that us? | 10:32 |
| asac | or mobile? ... or noclue? | 10:32 |
| pitti | asac: mobile | 10:40 |
| pitti | asac: so, David Mandala | 10:40 |
| asac | thx | 10:42 |
| mdz | so, after a gpu hang and a reboot, my pointing device (trackpoint) is no longer detected :-/ | 10:59 |
| mdz | it seems to not be in hal anymore | 10:59 |
| mdz | there is no input device for it | 10:59 |
| mdz | seems like a kernel problem, but my kernel hasn't changed | 11:01 |
| asac | scary. maybe you to powercycle your machine completely? | 11:01 |
| mdz | yeah, I'll try that | 11:02 |
| mdz | asac, yep, that fixed it | 11:05 |
| asac | good. so i can get the latest bits without loosing my pointer ;). thanks! | 11:11 |
| * asac upgrades | 11:11 | |
| asac | crevette: seems we have blueman already ;) | 11:19 |
| asac | https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/blueman | 11:19 |
| asac | came from debian a few days ago | 11:19 |
| pitti | hm, today's live CD didn't build, because of empathy | 11:22 |
| pitti | http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/livefs-build-logs/karmic/ubuntu/latest/livecd-20090618-i386.out | 11:22 |
| pitti | kenvandine: ^ seems some more MIRs are in order | 11:22 |
| asac | yeah | 11:23 |
| asac | wow. so blueman is kind of impressive ;) | 11:27 |
| pitti | asac: better than gnome-bluetooth? | 11:28 |
| pitti | indeed, just looked at the screenshots | 11:30 |
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| seb128 | whiteboard change emails are the suck they don't tell you what changed | 11:35 |
| asac | first time i have the feeling that bluetooth just worked (now we just need a better volume applet that covers more features from pavucontrol - like moving streams) | 11:37 |
| asac | created a dialup network for my phone and it just showed up in NM ;) | 11:37 |
| asac | do we know what is planned for the volume applet this cycle? | 11:37 |
| asac | seb128: ? | 11:37 |
| seb128 | asac: we will switch to the new pulseaudio upstream one | 11:38 |
| asac | seb128: is that somewhere to test? | 11:38 |
| seb128 | asac: sudo apt-get install gnome-volume-control-pulse | 11:39 |
| seb128 | asac: are you speaking about the applet or the mixer dialog? | 11:39 |
| seb128 | asac: gnome-volume-control-settings is the new upstream dialog | 11:40 |
| asac | thanks. i will just check both | 11:40 |
| pitti | ugh, review queue empty once again | 12:30 |
| pitti | I think now I reviewed all karmic-targetted specs at least once | 12:30 |
| pitti | asac: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-karmic-audio-experience says we're going to use the puse-enabled mixer | 12:31 |
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| pitti | lunch o'clok | 12:32 |
| seb128 | pitti: enjoy | 12:35 |
| * seb128 just back from lunch | 12:35 | |
| seb128 | pedro_: ola! | 13:02 |
| pedro_ | salut seb128! | 13:03 |
| pitti | crevette: I just checked the Debian/Ubuntu obex-data-server diff, looks like it's mostly just noise and we can sync | 13:58 |
| crevette | ah okay, true there is my name on it :) | 13:58 |
| * pitti is currently checking the merges list | 13:58 | |
| crevette | I trust on you, go ahead !! | 13:58 |
| pitti | crevette: this is the only weird change: | 13:59 |
| pitti | + install -D -m 0644 $(CURDIR)/data/obex-data-server.conf $(CURDIR)/debian/obex-data-server/etc/dbus-1/system.d/obex-data-server.conf | 13:59 |
| pitti | ^ i. e. debian does _not_ have this line | 13:59 |
| pitti | my Q is, why does obex-data-server need a system d-bus configuration file in the first place? | 13:59 |
| pitti | isn't this per-user? | 13:59 |
| pitti | on the session bus? | 13:59 |
| crevette | there is both but we use session bus | 13:59 |
| pitti | crevette: do you care about this? if not, I'd just sync | 14:00 |
| crevette | I'm not sure I understand the impact, I would sync | 14:00 |
| * crevette hides | 14:00 | |
| * pitti pushes button | 14:00 | |
| crevette | and I'd blame filippo :) | 14:00 |
| pitti | it's all in bzr, so if we ever need the change, we just reapply it | 14:00 |
| seb128 | pitti: I commented on desktop-karmic-bug-workflow | 14:04 |
| seb128 | I'm not sure about the "needs info" button | 14:04 |
| seb128 | ie should we really triage those bugs or just flag those as "need to get extra informations to be useful" | 14:05 |
| pitti | seb128: I think those details probably don't need to get firmly fixed in the spec anyway | 14:05 |
| seb128 | ok | 14:05 |
| pitti | this power-triager-tool will be an evolving project anyway | 14:05 |
| seb128 | otherwise the spec looks alright to me | 14:05 |
| pitti | seb128: thanks for review | 14:05 |
| seb128 | you're welcome | 14:05 |
| pitti | it's a bit unfortunate that it mixes workflow with writing a new tool | 14:06 |
| seb128 | right | 14:06 |
| pitti | but *shrug*, I won't fuss about the tool, as long as it does what you need :) | 14:06 |
| seb128 | ;-) | 14:06 |
| pitti | didrocks: can you please check your vino merge? or whether we can sync? | 14:09 |
| seb128 | pitti: there is a sponsoring request from Laney for that I think | 14:10 |
| seb128 | hey rickspencer3 | 14:10 |
| pitti | seb128: hm, it doesn't appear on https://merges.ubuntu.com/main.html; other merges do | 14:10 |
| pitti | but maybe that needs to be done manually | 14:10 |
| pitti | hey rickspencer3 | 14:10 |
| pitti | rickspencer3: thanks for the burndown fixes, looks better now (http://piware.de/tmp/desktopteam-burndown-karmic.png) | 14:10 |
| rickspencer3 | hi pitti, hi seb128 | 14:10 |
| kenvandine | pitti, we should drop the recommends for elepathy-butterfly imho | 14:15 |
| pitti | kenvandine: that works for me, too | 14:15 |
| kenvandine | so we need the farsight stuff | 14:15 |
| kenvandine | pitti, i can't do it until the weekend though... actually taking vacation today/tomorrow :) | 14:16 |
| pitti | kenvandine: ah, enjoy | 14:16 |
| kenvandine | pitti, wanted to fill you in on u1 though | 14:16 |
| davmor2 | Guys query on empathy are you going to include the irc package for it or not as it isn't in by default currently? | 14:16 |
| pitti | kenvandine: doing an upload to drop butterfly then | 14:16 |
| kenvandine | ubuntuone-client and ubuntuone-storage-protocol is in REVU now | 14:17 |
| pitti | nice | 14:18 |
| Zdra | pitti: why dropping butterfly? | 14:18 |
| pitti | kenvandine: ^ | 14:18 |
| kenvandine | Zdra, it brings in more deps, and haze seems to satisfy the need for now | 14:18 |
| Zdra | pitti: kenvandine: not that butterfly in karmic is unusable, latest release fix most issues | 14:19 |
| kenvandine | Zdra, it didn't work last time i tried it :) | 14:19 |
| kenvandine | well... haze worked better | 14:19 |
| jcastro | they just had a release yesterday I think | 14:19 |
| jcastro | or the day before | 14:19 |
| kenvandine | Zdra, file a bug if you want us to reconsider that, and i will look at it after my vacation :) | 14:19 |
| kenvandine | Zdra, just assign it to me | 14:19 |
| * kenvandine needs to run though... later folks! | 14:19 | |
| Zdra | kenvandine: That's fine for me | 14:20 |
| seb128 | well we don't need a strong decision on it now | 14:20 |
| seb128 | we can play with both and see how they work | 14:20 |
| pitti | davmor2: telepathy-idle shold be there by default | 14:20 |
| Zdra | kenvandine: in fact I'm looking for comparaison between haze-msn and butterfly | 14:20 |
| Laney | can versions.html be made to update more often? | 14:21 |
| Zdra | kenvandine: In empathy we made the choice to privilege butterfly but we could reconsider | 14:21 |
| seb128 | Laney: it's not made to update at all right now | 14:21 |
| davmor2 | pitti: I'm not seeing irc as an account option and idle is only suggested and not recommended | 14:21 |
| Laney | seb128: Oh, s/more often// then :) | 14:21 |
| seb128 | Laney: still fixing some issues before having it running regularly | 14:21 |
| Laney | got it | 14:21 |
| davmor2 | unless that has changed | 14:21 |
| davmor2 | pitti: that's from upgrade I'm about to check a cd now | 14:22 |
| pitti | davmor2: probably needs seeding | 14:22 |
| didrocks | pitti: I was thinking someone declared to work on it yesterday, if there is nobody, ok, I can check | 14:23 |
| seb128 | mpt: grrr | 14:24 |
| pitti | WARNING: desktop-karmic-network-ui has no work items | 14:24 |
| pitti | WARNING: desktop-karmic-bluetooth-stack has no work items | 14:24 |
| pitti | WARNING: desktop-karmic-browsers has no work items | 14:25 |
| pitti | WARNING: desktop-karmic-firefox-3.5 has no work items | 14:25 |
| pitti | WARNING: desktop-karmic-content-library has no work items | 14:25 |
| mpt | WARNING: seb128 is angry | 14:25 |
| seb128 | mpt: I don't mark bugs duplicates because launchpad suck at searching bugs and I don't want to spend half of my days looking for useless numbers | 14:25 |
| seb128 | mpt: and I don't want the bug list to be noisy with things I know to be duplicates either | 14:25 |
| pitti | asac, kenvandine ^ | 14:26 |
| pitti | (just the daily nag) | 14:26 |
| mpt | seb128, I know what you mean, I was in the same position with bugs about Launchpad itself for years. But every so often I'd realize that whoops, this bug actually *hadn't* been reported before. | 14:27 |
| Laney | didrocks: I did it, don't worry | 14:27 |
| Laney | (vino) | 14:27 |
| seb128 | mpt: well the choise is between having a useless list full of known duplicates or a few bugs wrongly closed | 14:28 |
| seb128 | mpt: we have a number of bugs way higher that what we can work on anyway, so better to try to keep the buglist under control | 14:29 |
| didrocks | Laney: ok, that's what I was thinking :) did you keep the NM support in ubuntu? | 14:34 |
| didrocks | (this is the main diff between the debian version and ours) | 14:35 |
| Laney | didrocks: yes, but joss just added it | 14:35 |
| Laney | so next time: sync | 14:35 |
| didrocks | great ;) | 14:35 |
| rickspencer3 | hi didrocks | 14:36 |
| didrocks | hey rickspencer3 | 14:36 |
| rickspencer3 | pitti: I updated burndown.py yesterday | 14:36 |
| rickspencer3 | if you want to try it out | 14:36 |
| pitti | rickspencer3: [15:10] pitti| rickspencer3: thanks for the burndown fixes, looks better now (http://piware.de/tmp/desktopteam-burndown-karmic.png) | 14:36 |
| pitti | :) | 14:37 |
| rickspencer3 | sweet | 14:37 |
| kenvandine | pitti, desktop-karmic-content-library was marked as informational | 14:52 |
| pitti | kenvandine: ah, ok | 14:53 |
| kenvandine | pitti, there are no actions from it... | 14:53 |
| pitti | I should teach my script about that | 14:53 |
| kenvandine | maybe your script should not warn on those | 14:53 |
| kenvandine | :) | 14:53 |
| kenvandine | pitti, you saw that u1 stuff made it to REVU? | 14:54 |
| pitti | I heard, yes | 14:54 |
| kenvandine | ok | 14:54 |
| rodrigo_ | kenvandine: so, my blueprints look ok, so what do I need to do next? | 14:55 |
| kenvandine | rodrigo_, i think pitti should be marked as approver | 14:55 |
| rodrigo_ | ah ok | 14:55 |
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| kenvandine | then send it to review status | 14:56 |
| kenvandine | and wait for pitti to critic it :) | 14:56 |
| * pitti sharpens the review knife again :) | 14:58 | |
| * rodrigo_ prepares some nice wine bottles to send to pitti | 14:59 | |
| pitti | rodrigo_: fail! I don't drink wine | 14:59 |
| pitti | beer appreciated, though :) | 14:59 |
| rodrigo_ | pitti: ok, beer then :) | 14:59 |
| * pitti ^5s rodrigo_ | 14:59 | |
| rodrigo_ | pitti: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/couchdb-glib-package-for-karmic and https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/evolution-couchdb-package-for-karmic , all yours :D | 15:00 |
| pitti | rodrigo_: please set it to "review" when you are happy with the wiki spec | 15:01 |
| rodrigo_ | pitti: ah ok | 15:01 |
| rodrigo_ | pitti: done | 15:05 |
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| pedro_ | Zdra, cassidy, have you guys seen something similar to bug 335986 ? | 15:30 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 335986 in empathy "Unable to open URL while using Russian locale" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/335986 | 15:30 |
| jcastro | Zdra, cassidy, also, should we be encouraging people to use what's in the telepathy in the PPA? I see some bugs reported against Jaunty that are probably dupes of stuff you guys fixed in 2.27.x. | 15:32 |
| dobey | pitti: hey | 15:32 |
| cassidy | jcastro: jaunty users who are interested in testing telepahy/empathy should definitely use the PPA, yeah | 15:33 |
| dobey | pitti: btw, ubuntuone-storage-protocol and ubuntuone-client are in REVU now :) | 15:33 |
| jcastro | ok | 15:33 |
| cassidy | I'm maintaining to keep it as up to date as possible | 15:33 |
| Zdra | pedro_: 2.24 is obsolete | 15:36 |
| Zdra | pedro_: ask to retry with 2.26 or 2.27 | 15:36 |
| Zdra | pedro_: but I see no reason for it to fail, we just call gtk_show_uri() | 15:37 |
| pedro_ | Zdra: alright, will do that, thanks you | 15:38 |
| pedro_ | Zdra: may you have a look later to bug 206547 ? your last comment suggest wontfix but there's a few comments from the community on it | 15:57 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 206547 in empathy "Add option to open messages automatically" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/206547 | 15:57 |
| Zdra | pedro_: there is an upstream bug about that | 15:58 |
| asac | pitti: i think all from that list should have work items now. i also added desktop-karmic-modemmanagers ... please approve that for karmic goal as well. | 16:09 |
| asac | pitti: (its not a real spec. more a work item attached lightweight spec - see whiteboard comment i dropped there) | 16:10 |
| asac | pitti: did you keep mozilla...wifi spec intentionally out of the burn down script? | 16:12 |
| asac | pitti: would be ok with me ... just wonder if the work item deadline applies for that one too ;) | 16:12 |
| seb128 | versions is automatically in a cron job now | 16:13 |
| seb128 | +updated | 16:13 |
| Laney | hoorah | 16:14 |
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| pitti | seb128: yay | 16:39 |
| pitti | asac: not intentionally, it just doesn't match the desktop-karmic-* pattern, thus the script doesn't see it | 16:40 |
| * pitti fixes | 16:40 | |
| asac | pitti: hmm. ok. i wouldnt mind ;) | 16:40 |
| asac | but let me add a few items there too | 16:40 |
| pitti | asac: modemmanagers ack'ed for karmic | 16:41 |
| asac | pitti: thanks! | 16:44 |
| asac | ok items added to wifi scanning too. i think i am done for whatever i have now. | 16:44 |
| pitti | asac: mind if I rename mozilla-karmic-firefox-wifi-scanning to desktop-karmic-firefox-wifi-scanning? | 16:44 |
| pitti | (if you want to get WI coverage for it) | 16:45 |
| pitti | if this should be under the desktop team umbrella, it's easier to find "our" specs that way | 16:45 |
| asac | pitti: if you think its better. i wanted to use mozilla- prefix for mozillateam stuff in the long run. but since we didnt do that for the rest, its consistent for this cycle i guess | 16:45 |
| pitti | okay | 16:46 |
| asac | so go ahead | 16:46 |
| * pitti re-runs script | 16:46 | |
| asac | the idea of having mozilla prefix would be that i could publish burn downs for the mozillateam etc. | 16:46 |
| pitti | asac: right, that's possible as well; I can add them as patterns for desktop work items as well | 16:47 |
| asac | but for this cycle i probably just want to do that for the firefox 3.5 transition spec and maybe we will get a addons community spec | 16:47 |
| * pitti fixes one work item syntax | 16:47 | |
| pitti | ERROR: invalid work item format: Xulrunner - roll out PPA work to real archive | 16:47 |
| asac | pitti: which one? | 16:47 |
| asac | ah ...missing :? | 16:47 |
| pitti | from which spec is that? | 16:47 |
| pitti | asac: yes | 16:47 |
| asac | let me do that | 16:47 |
| * pitti should teach his script to tell the bp name | 16:48 | |
| asac | maybe it should be TODO by default ;) | 16:48 |
| asac | pitti: ok rerun. | 16:48 |
| pitti | asac: still says that, but that's just LP lagging, so nevermind; thanks for fixing | 16:49 |
| pitti | yay, no WARNINGs left | 16:49 |
| pitti | http://piware.de/tmp/desktopteam-burndown-karmic.png | 16:49 |
| pitti | nice spike :) | 16:49 |
| pitti | rickspencer3: ^ so I think we are good to flush the DB and consider "now" as start of the data? | 16:49 |
| * pitti adjusts the y scale | 16:50 | |
| asac | ~310 items ;) ... fun | 16:50 |
| pitti | ok, fixed; looks better now | 16:50 |
| asac | pitti: can we allow us to use INPROGRESS? maybe map that TODO for the chart. | 16:51 |
| rickspencer3 | 250+ work items | 16:51 |
| rickspencer3 | omg | 16:51 |
| rickspencer3 | pitti: that's fine with me | 16:51 |
| rickspencer3 | as long as INPROGRESS = TODO for the chart | 16:51 |
| rickspencer3 | what we might want to do is flag INPROGRESS items that are in progress for say, more than 2 days | 16:51 |
| rickspencer3 | (similar to block-o-matic | 16:52 |
| rickspencer3 | ) | 16:52 |
| asac | 2 days? maybe 7 days? ;) | 16:52 |
| pitti | asac, rickspencer3: committed | 16:52 |
| rickspencer3 | pitti: I set the y-scale to be 20% greater than the tallest bar | 16:52 |
| asac | great. so at some point i now need something to grep for INPROGRESS items associated with me. but not that importnat to get started | 16:52 |
| rickspencer3 | perhaps I should tweak that to 10%? | 16:52 |
| asac | will we publish a raw csv somewhere? | 16:53 |
| pitti | rickspencer3: I meant --height | 16:53 |
| rickspencer3 | oh | 16:53 |
| pitti | rickspencer3: it looked very condensed and the scale numbers weren't readable | 16:53 |
| pitti | I used --height=600 now | 16:53 |
| rickspencer3 | looks good | 16:53 |
| asac | for me the chart looks good now | 16:53 |
| pitti | ok, reload | 16:53 |
| pitti | just updated it with flushed DB | 16:53 |
| rickspencer3 | yeah for arguments | 16:53 |
| asac | doesnt fit on my x61s browser screen though ... but i guess i can live with that ;) | 16:53 |
| rickspencer3 | ok, IT'S ON! | 16:54 |
| pitti | Let the race begin! :-) | 16:54 |
| rickspencer3 | asac, can't you do "View Image"? | 16:54 |
| asac | rickspencer3: why does the trend line start with the red one? | 16:54 |
| rickspencer3 | asac: because I don't give credit for things that are done before | 16:54 |
| asac | rickspencer3: i can ... but if i just open it in my browser window it doesnt fit at 100% | 16:54 |
| asac | rickspencer3: ok | 16:54 |
| rickspencer3 | that would start us under the trend line, give us false confidence | 16:54 |
| pitti | asac, rickspencer3: current picture is without --height | 16:54 |
| pitti | rickspencer3: can we fix the axis numbers to have steps of 10? | 16:55 |
| asac | too bad ... no ramp up bonus ;) | 16:55 |
| pitti | (i. e. reload again) | 16:55 |
| asac | pitti: now the numbers are really tight again | 16:55 |
| asac | even overlapping in some cases | 16:55 |
| rickspencer3 | pitti: yes | 16:55 |
| rickspencer3 | in fact, it's supposed to, I switched the intervals for the x/y axis | 16:55 |
| rickspencer3 | x is supposed to be 7, y is supposed to be 10 | 16:56 |
| rickspencer3 | I'll fix it, and give you cl arguments while I'm at it | 16:56 |
| rickspencer3 | (have to run off to my son | 16:56 |
| pitti | n/p | 16:56 |
| rickspencer3 | s little 8th grade graduation ceremony, but in 90 mins.) | 16:56 |
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| asac | did you commit both parts (e.g. parser + graph plotter) to some branch yet? | 16:56 |
| pitti | asac: plotter is bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Erick-rickspencer3/%2Bjunk/py-burndown-chart/ | 16:57 |
| pitti | asac: workitems.py is in http://www.piware.de/bzr/bin/ | 16:58 |
| pitti | I should eventually move that to somewhere else | 16:58 |
| asac | great thanks. | 16:58 |
| pitti | I have it at --height=500 now, looks okay | 16:59 |
| asac | pitti: we already have MOIN work items too? nice. | 16:59 |
| pitti | asac: yes, special favour to Riddell :) | 16:59 |
| asac | pitti: i wanted that too. thought it was cut ;) | 17:00 |
| asac | pitti: not for our items, but i might want to reuse those scripts for something else | 17:00 |
| asac | pitti: which wiki pages are you looking at? those linked from blueprints (sorry, i could read code) | 17:00 |
| pitti | asac: it's not hardcoded | 17:00 |
| pitti | 03 3 * * * bzr update $HOME/bin; $HOME/bin/workitems.py -d data/desktop-workitems.db -r karmic -p 'desktop-karmic-' -m 'https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Todo/Karmic?action=raw'; $HOME/bin/workitems.py -d data/desktop-workitems.db --csv --to 2009-10-01 | python ubuntu/py-burndown-chart/burndown.py --output=www/www/tmp/desktopteam-burndown-karmic.png --height=500 --title='Desktop Team Karmic Burndown' | 17:01 |
| pitti | - | 17:01 |
| asac | ok so you maintain that outside? | 17:01 |
| pitti | is the entire cronjob | 17:01 |
| asac | ah. i see | 17:01 |
| asac | thanks | 17:01 |
| pitti | asac: the -m is the wiki | 17:01 |
| asac | yeah | 17:01 |
| pitti | I want it to be reusable for other teams | 17:01 |
| pitti | thus --moin and --pattern and --release, etc. | 17:01 |
| * pitti plays spec approval whack-a-rat again | 17:02 | |
| asac | pitti: oh seems i added the work items to summary for modemmanagers spec ... moved to whiteboard now | 17:13 |
| pitti | bryce: what's the status of bug 377090? is this waiting for/fixed by linux 2.6.31? | 17:23 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 377090 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "[i945gm] [RFC Karmic] DRI2 swapbuffers" [Unknown,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/377090 | 17:23 |
| pitti | Riddell: do you know the status of bug 339313? | 17:23 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 339313 in ubuntu-release-notes "Kubuntu Jaunty: Cannot Connect To Wireless Network with WEP shared key" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/339313 | 17:23 |
| Riddell | pitti: the updated network manager plasmoid doesn't seem to solve all the problems for everyone, although it does solve it for some people, so I'm not sure what to do | 17:29 |
| Riddell | pitti: it's a big change for an SRU so it seems improper to put it in while it's not working for everyone. on the other hand it's the only option | 17:30 |
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| pitti | Riddell: no, I mean for karmic | 18:01 |
| pitti | Riddell: but for jaunty, if the current one doesn't work at all, there's not much chance for regression | 18:01 |
| * pitti -> off for today, I meet with a prospective new DD for keysigning | 18:02 | |
| === rickspencer3 is now known as rickspencer3-afk | ||
| * seb128 is away too and on holiday tomorrow so see you maybe then or monday otherwise | 18:06 | |
| seb128 | I will probably be reading emails during the day but maybe not on IRC | 18:06 |
| === rickspencer3-afk is now known as rickspencer3 | ||
| bryce | pitti: I suspect 377090 will need stuff that's in 2.6.31. | 18:25 |
| bryce | pitti: since I think the feature will be available in released code for karmic, I'm not in a big hurry to pull branches of things, but it might be nice to put it in the xorg-edgers ppa; I might do that if I run out of other high priorities. | 18:28 |
| rickspencer3 | pitti: fyi: I fixed up burndown.py | 18:53 |
| === rickspencer3 is now known as rickspencer3-afk | ||
| pmatulis | i want to change the default Panel settings, is http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/806-6878/6jfpqt2t6?a=view still relevant? particularly the heading 'To Set Preferences for Individual Panels and Panel Objects' | 20:32 |
| === rickspencer3-afk is now known as rickspencer3 | ||
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