[14:25] <UBUNTUTESTER> unblock me from #ubuntu channel
[14:26] <Nafallo> UBUNTUTESTER: you want #ubuntu-ops
[14:27] <UBUNTUTESTER> no
[17:33] <evanrmurphy> Hi, I'm interested in creating the channel #ubuntu-es-l10n for the Ubuntu Spanish Translators team. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam/CreatingChannels advises me to seek approval for the namespace. Can I obtain such approval in this channel, or where should I petition? Thanks in advance.
[17:37] <tsimpson> nalioth, jussi01, Pricey, elky or Pici: IRCC ping ^
[17:59] <Pici> evanrmurphy: I'm around, but I'd like to discuss with one of the other IRCC members whether it should be #ubuntu-es-translators or #ubuntu-translators-es, as there is another localization team that uses the former, but in my opinion should be the latter.
[18:09] <evanrmurphy> Pici: Thanks for your response. Would it not be possible to have the name #ubuntu-es-l10n? I know may be somewhat less straightforward than having "translators" in the name, but it create consistency with our mailing list (ubuntu-es-l10n@lists.ubuntu.com).
[18:09] <evanrmurphy> s/it create/it would create/
[18:11] <evanrmurphy> s/know may/know it may/
[18:13] <evanrmurphy> #ubuntu-es-translators
[18:13] <evanrmurphy> sorry, didn't mean to type that last line
[18:40] <Pici> evanrmurphy: It looks like most of the localization mailing lists are named in the form ubuntu-l10n-$lang, we think it would make sense to follow that naming convention.  We can help you setup a forward from #ubuntu-es-l10n to prevent people from getting confused though.
[18:43] <evanrmurphy> Pici: So then would it be ubuntu-l10n-es in this case?
[18:44] <Pici> evanrmurphy: yes
[18:45] <evanrmurphy> Pici: Out of curiosity, I don't see any localization/translators channels following that convention on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat#Channels. Is it because they're unlisted?
[18:47] <Pici> evanrmurphy: We were looking at https://lists.ubuntu.com/#Localization+Lists to see what other localazation teams were using.
[18:48] <Pici> evanrmurphy: By setting up a channel forward, you could tell people to join #ubuntu-es-l10n, but they'd actually end up in #ubuntu-l10n-es
[18:48] <evanrmurphy> Pici: If the IRCC thinks #ubuntu-l10n-es will be better than #ubuntu-es-l10n for the broader consistency of channel naming, then we'll go with that. Yes, I think the channel forwarding will be very helpful, thank you.
[19:24] <evanrmurphy> Pici: So now can I register the channel as it says on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam/CreatingChannels, or what's the next step in the process? I'd appreciate your or anyone's guidance here.
[19:29] <Pici> evanrmurphy: Sure, go ahead and register #ubuntu-l10n-es, and if #ubuntu-es-l10n empties out we can register that too and setup a forward.
[20:11] <evanrmurphy> Pici: OK, I've emptied #ubuntu-es-l10n, but when I tried to register #ubuntu-l10n-es, I got the following: ChanServ- #ubuntu-l10n-es is already registered to P3L|C4N0.
[20:11] <niko> rolf
[20:11]  * niko hides
[20:12]  * erUSUL rotfl
[20:12] <erUSUL> and hides
[20:12] <Pici> evanrmurphy: Sounds like you should speak to him about getting access there then. Looks like it was registered in late 2006
[20:13] <niko> i love cybersqatting :)
[20:13] <m4v> well, i'm not surpriced..
[20:14] <evanrmurphy> Pici: Right... any tips on tracking him/her down? /whois returned a "No such nick/channel" message.
[20:14] <niko> evanrmurphy: /msg memoserv send 'nick' message
[20:15] <evanrmurphy> niko: I'll give it a shot, thanks.
[20:17] <evanrmurphy> niko: I sub P3L|C4N0 for 'nick' and what I want to say for message?
[20:18] <m4v> evanrmurphy: p3l|c4n0 is hard to reach, and not the most approachable person I have seen :( but he was online yerteday, so you might be lucky
[20:18] <m4v> yesterday*
[20:21] <evanrmurphy> m4v: I guess you've talked to him before then?
[20:22] <evanrmurphy> m4v: Thanks for jumping in, btw.
[20:23] <m4v> evanrmurphy: yes, I did
[20:23] <niko> congrates.
[20:26] <erUSUL> m4v: lucky indeed... did not repond to a msg yesterday :|
[20:27] <m4v> erUSUL: I actually had a chat with him by query about the bot, yes, he mostly ignored me before
[20:28] <evanrmurphy> Is this guy famous or something?
[20:28] <niko> which bot m4v ?
[20:28] <erUSUL> evanrmurphy: *not the most approachable person I have seen* describes him quite well
[20:29] <m4v> niko: mine, the one we use in kubuntu-es and now in ubuntu-es, kubot it's is nick
[20:30] <evanrmurphy> erUSUL: Right, right. But has he had a history with the IRCC?
[20:31] <erUSUL> evanrmurphy: is the founder of #ubuntu-es
[20:31] <evanrmurphy> erUSUL: oh wow. OK, thanks. That helps
[20:34] <m4v> evanrmurphy: I don't think we'll hang over the channel to you, but he should give you enough priviledges, mainly all the flags minus the founder one
[20:35] <m4v> so you won't have to hunt for him whenever you need to change for something
[20:35] <m4v> s/for something/something/
[20:37] <evanrmurphy> m4v: I see... I'll try to do some detective work on this in the next few days. I wonder if he's worked with our translation team, for instance. So do the purpose for his creation of the channel and its frequency of use have no bearing?
[20:38] <evanrmurphy> Regardless, thanks to m4v, erUSUL, Pici and niko for your help so far.
[20:39] <m4v> he probably did translations before, but I don't think is doing anything now
[20:41] <m4v> the channel wasn't used by over a year..
[20:43] <m4v> really I don't like when founders neglect its channels like that
[20:46] <evanrmurphy> I guess he got IRCC's permission for the namespace at some point?
[20:48] <erUSUL> evanrmurphy: not sure if at that point there was an irc council ;P Seveas just handled everything himself ??
[20:50] <m4v> evanrmurphy: p3l|c4n0 does do translation work in Rosetta
[20:51] <evanrmurphy> m4v: great, I just found his LP account
[20:53] <evanrmurphy> what do you know! He's actually part of our translations team lol
[20:53] <evanrmurphy> awfully quiet one on the mailing list
[22:19] <evanrmurphy> m4v: Can you tell me how to become an operator for #ubuntu-l10n-es? Does the founder have to give me a certain flag before /msg chanserv op will work?
[22:20] <niko> yes
[22:28] <m4v> evanrmurphy: you need of another operator with privileges for edit the channel's access list (the f flag) in this case, you need of pelicano since he's the only one with that flag.
[22:30] <m4v> evanrmurphy: check /msg chanserv help flags
[22:33] <evanrmurphy> m4v: "/msg chanserv help flags" doesn't seem to return anything. Are you sure it's right?
[22:34] <evanrmurphy> m4v, niko: I sent a MemoServ message to P3L|C4N0 requesting the op flag, so I guess I'll just sit tight for a response. Thanks.
[22:34] <niko> take a coffee
[22:34] <niko> and hope
[22:34] <evanrmurphy> good idea man I could use another coffee
[22:35] <m4v> evanrmurphy: mm, does work here, probably chanserv's reply is redirected to somewhere else? the status window? a query?
[22:36] <niko> m4v: he have to /msg memoserv list
[22:36] <niko> to check sometimes
[22:37] <niko> or to go /away and /back
[22:37] <niko> memoserv notice him
[22:37] <nhandler> Here are is the result of /msg ChanServ help FLAGS if you are interested: http://paste.ubuntu.com/198777/
[22:42] <evanrmurphy> thanks nhandler
[22:43] <nhandler> You're welcome evanrmurphy
[22:50] <evanrmurphy> m4v, niko: I still can't get it, but no worries since now I know the output. I'll try again later.