[02:00] <Takyoji> Flannel: Basically anything the visually explains what open source is without having to have blocks or text to explain.
[02:01] <Takyoji> Kind of more stuff for proposing open source to certain companies/people and so on.
[20:54] <AliTabuge> hi everybody!
[20:54] <huayra> hi AliTabuge 
[20:54] <AliTabuger7> is everyone here?
[20:55] <huayra> A
[20:55] <huayra> AliTabuger7, everyone seems to be us and a few others ;)
[20:57] <huayra> shall we give it 5 min AliTabuger7 ?
[20:57] <AliTabuger7> Sure
[21:01] <huayra> ok
[21:02] <huayra> let's go
[21:02] <AliTabuger7> Sure
[21:02] <AliTabuger7> Don't think we gained anyone. Shame.
[21:02] <Takyoji> Hmm?
[21:02] <huayra> people will show up
[21:02] <Takyoji> For?
[21:02] <AliTabuger7> SpreadUbuntu meeting
[21:02] <Takyoji> ahh
[21:02] <akgraner> hi ya'll
[21:02] <huayra> and anyway.. We got the word to the global jam meeting
[21:02] <huayra> so there's definitely interest
[21:03] <huayra> Well, first things first
[21:03] <huayra> Agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/Projects/SpreadUbuntu/Meetings#Agenda
[21:03] <huayra> = SpreadUbuntu: a little intro  =
[21:04] <huayra> Hi my name is Rubén and I am one of many wanting spreadubuntu.com to be the epicenter of the marketing activities that the Ubuntu community engages with
[21:04] <huayra> I work with marketing and sales of Free Software by day and I try to make spreadubuntu a reality by night/weekends
[21:05] <huayra> Live in Oslo, 28 years old, father, single...
[21:05] <huayra> enough about me
[21:05]  * huayra invites AliTabuger7 to introduce himself :)
[21:05] <AliTabuger7> Hello!
[21:06] <AliTabuger7> I did pretty much all of the work on the existing SU site: spreadubuntu.neomenlo.org
[21:07] <huayra> go AliTabuger7! Your are my SU hero! :-)
[21:07]  * Grantbow cheers
[21:07] <Takyoji> PHP developer as well, or?
[21:08] <huayra> I think AliTabuger7 can claim to be one, yes. or?
[21:08] <AliTabuger7> A little bit of PHP. Really basic stuff though
[21:09] <AliTabuger7> enough to conditionally print elements
[21:09] <Takyoji> ahh
[21:10] <Takyoji> I'm paid/volunteer to develop pretty much anything PHP; thus would be willing to contribute (but I suppose the group has a vast array of PHP folks anyway. xP)
[21:10] <huayra> Takyoji, really we don't
[21:10] <huayra> we have the drupal folks and the ubuntu-drupal team that do some work, but not directly related to spreadubuntu
[21:11] <huayra> Evan is the man, really
[21:11] <Takyoji> ahh
[21:11] <huayra> so if you could be down to helping us we would love that
[21:11] <AliTabuger7> It will be great to have someone i can ask about stuff i get confused about. I was trying to fix the language bugs in the last one and couldn't figure that out for the life of me
[21:11] <huayra> we have many ideas left to implement and bugs to resolve ;)
[21:12] <AliTabuger7> We're looking to redo the home page, which I'm sure will get too complicated forme
[21:12] <Takyoji> ahh
[21:12] <huayra> yeah, this far we have an installation with all the modules up and pretty much that: http://ubuntu.ec/su/ubuntu-drupal/
[21:13] <huayra> our base right now is drupal5 and the plan is to move it to drupal6
[21:14] <Takyoji> Yea, I've poked around with the theme a little and all
[21:14] <Takyoji> Typically I favor solutions that are a little more ad-hoc, haven't been too convinced of Drupal.
[21:14] <huayra> I can add you to the admin group so you can have Admin rights within drupal
[21:15] <huayra> and give you an account in the server if needed be
[21:15] <huayra> Drupal is basically what you use if you ever want to get Canonical hosting and help from the community (most LoCo teams use it and even Ubuntu.com does)
[21:16] <huayra> Takyoji, are you willing to give us a hand with the project?
[21:16] <Takyoji> By all means
[21:16] <AliTabuger7> great
[21:16] <huayra> can you please give me your launchpad ID?
[21:16] <huayra> :) fantastic!
[21:17] <Takyoji> I believe it's just 'takyoji'
[21:17] <huayra> ok :)
[21:17] <Takyoji> https://launchpad.net/~takyoji
[21:17] <huayra> thx
[21:18] <huayra> I'll add you to the admin team and you will automatically have admin access to the site
[21:18] <Takyoji> alrighty
[21:19] <AliTabuger7> Drupal has a module that lets you login using your launchpad ID, and it can assign you to groups based on your launchpad teams. That feature has the potential to add some really cool functionality to the site.
[21:19] <Takyoji> yea
[21:19] <Takyoji> via OpenID or?
[21:19] <AliTabuger7> OpenID
[21:19] <huayra> yeah OPenID
[21:19] <AliTabuger7> but teams i think uses something else.
[21:20] <huayra> and now that the community council is making the ubuntu LoCo directory the possibilities are even more
[21:20] <huayra> we can now about language, location and lots of things through the Launchpad API and åprobably retrieve that info for our use in the SU site
[21:21] <Grantbow> should the current site URL be in the description of the ~spreadubuntu team?
[21:21] <huayra> you are now added Takyoji 
[21:22] <Grantbow> ah, it's on the wiki page
[21:22] <Takyoji> Thank you
[21:22] <huayra> Grantbow, we really need a wiki and launchpad clean up
[21:22] <AliTabuger7> The current ubuntu.ec/su/ubuntu-drupal/ address does not have much to it, but it will need to be added soon
[21:22] <huayra> we have lots of information and it's hard top grasp the whole project
[21:22] <huayra> which takes us to the next point in this meeting
[21:23] <huayra> I have updated actually the wiki linking to that Drupal6 install already ;)
[21:23] <huayra> Defining SpreadUbuntu:
[21:23] <huayra>     * Do-It-Yourself Marketing repository site?
[21:23] <huayra>     * Campaign epicenter for Ubuntu Marketing?
[21:23] <huayra>     * Advocacy site?
[21:23] <huayra>     * A combination? 
[21:23] <AliTabuger7> First two
[21:23] <huayra> AliTabuger7, can you please explain what we want this site to be? :)
[21:24] <huayra> anyone else in this meeting.. What do you think when you think of SpreadUbuntu ?
[21:24] <huayra> What comes to your mind?
[21:25] <akgraner> Sharing comes to mind...
[21:25] <Takyoji> One idea I had for my local LoCo group (but could probably be used for SpreadUbuntu) is to have like a type of a LUG/LoCo listing, but also, allow the groups to have their own little part of the website that they can have a calendar, a basic forum, announcement, and other things that would help with their LUG.
[21:26] <Takyoji> if that clearly makes sense
[21:26] <akgraner> oh I like that
[21:26] <AliTabuger7> Thats what I had imagined for the "teams" section
[21:26] <Takyoji> ahh
[21:27] <huayra> basically part pof that is already being done by the community council
[21:27] <AliTabuger7> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/Projects/SpreadUbuntu/IdeaPool#Organic%20Groups
[21:27] <Takyoji> and I'm not entirely certain of how one would be able to extend Drupal in a sane matter to do that.
[21:28] <AliTabuger7> Look at this page for an example of what an organic group can be made into: http://groups.drupal.org/design-drupal
[21:28] <Grantbow> interesting
[21:28] <huayra> they are organizing the teams in launchpad, and with launchpad as the base we will be able to give access to all teams in their own terms (language, permissions, etc...)
[21:28] <Takyoji> ahh
[21:29] <huayra> Takyoji, you don't have to extend it. You just delegate permissions out of the information you gather from Launchpad ;)
[21:29] <huayra> the site is one and the same
[21:29] <huayra> with calenders, marketing materials and the like but language, for example, is defined according to which team(s) you are a part of
[21:30] <huayra> but the underlying code still the same
[21:30] <huayra> Drupal is the bomb you know
[21:30] <huayra> and with OpenID and the Launchpad-Drupal plugin we have the tech already
[21:30] <Takyoji> yea
[21:30] <huayra> what we need is the organization of the teams that is taking place right now. So we should be good to go
[21:31] <huayra> but we need commitment and coders like yourself
[21:31] <huayra> :-)
[21:31] <huayra> 3 or 4 Global Marketing Jams would really make the site usable, regarding the material
[21:32] <Takyoji> I'd just have to poke around with Drupal's APIs first at some point.
[21:32] <huayra> AliTabuger7, is that really necessary for what we need now?
[21:32] <huayra> I mena the porting from 5 to 6
[21:32] <huayra> ?
[21:33] <AliTabuger7> is what? knowing API's? not really.
[21:33] <AliTabuger7> would it be a big deal if we just copy the database over? that would make things a whole lot easier
[21:33] <huayra> what would Takyoji need to know to get going and working with the port with us?
[21:34] <huayra> if it's compatible it shouldn't be a problem
[21:34] <Takyoji> Isn't there just a straightforward upgrade from 5 to 6?
[21:34] <AliTabuger7> yeah.
[21:34] <huayra> we are lacking one or two modules, but it should be workeable
[21:34] <AliTabuger7> i'd want to start with a clean languages though
[21:34] <Takyoji> ahh
[21:35] <AliTabuger7> i think we'll change a lot, and drupal6 i think has the ability to seperate core translations from ones specific to your site, which would be amazing
[21:35] <huayra> it does? That would make our whole life easier
[21:37] <huayra> does that mean that all of our work can be "packaged" in the "/sites" area?
[21:37] <Takyoji> How about just backup the current DB to SQL, along with the files on the website, throw it in a g-zipped tarball, and I could try poking around with it.
[21:37] <huayra> in other words: can SpreadUbuntu easily become a module for drupal
[21:37] <huayra> the code is online: https://code.launchpad.net/spreadubuntu
[21:38] <huayra> for both versions
[21:38] <AliTabuger7> what it would more likely become is a profile
[21:38] <Takyoji> ahh
[21:38] <huayra> do we have a newer DB dump in launchpad AliTabuger7?
[21:39] <AliTabuger7> i can get a fresh one
[21:39] <huayra> that would be awesome
[21:39] <Takyoji> devel-drupal5 branch, right?
[21:40] <AliTabuger7> thats where all our materials and such are
[21:41] <AliTabuger7> actually, no materials should be up there, just the database taht points to them. we stopped putting materials in there because it got massive
[21:43] <huayra> we should mirror the materials in one file somewhere
[21:43] <huayra> the /content/ folder
[21:44] <huayra> a materials branch in launchpad or something
[21:45] <huayra> ok
[21:46] <huayra> we have at least defined that Spread Ubuntu should be a DIY repository for marketing material and the like
[21:46] <huayra> and a Cam,paign epicenter for the global community
[21:46] <huayra> right?
[21:48] <huayra> AliTabuger7 Grantbow Takyoji ?
[21:49] <huayra> Well, then the next point:
[21:49] <huayra> Drupal6 move before the 9.10 release
[21:49] <huayra>     * Our site runs on Drupal5 right now. We must fix that!
[21:49] <huayra>     * Most modules we use (besides copyright/licenses) are already available
[21:49] <huayra>     * Using the Ubuntu-Drupal code as the base should ease our work
[21:49] <huayra>     * LP-Drupal integration will help us deliver the best possible user experience
[21:49] <huayra>     * We need hands-on cooperation for development of the site!
[21:49] <huayra>     * A roadmap to get the spreadubuntu.com and spreadubuntu.org domains
[21:49] <huayra>     * Canonical Hosting with community code review in advance? 
[21:50] <huayra> We have gone thorugh all of these besides the last two
[21:51] <huayra> We need a roadmap, or at least to updtae the one we have
[21:52] <huayra> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/Projects/SpreadUbuntu/Roadmap
[21:52] <huayra> has not been changed since september last year
[21:52] <Takyoji> ahh
[21:53] <Grantbow> k
[21:54] <huayra> The Roadmap should include a date on which we should already be spreadubuntu.com and spreadubuntu.org
[21:54] <huayra> Canonical has pointed out that they *want* this to happen
[21:54] <huayra> but we must have a solid server
[21:55] <Grantbow> so things have slipped a year without an update to the roadmap?
[21:55] <huayra> or we must at least have a community/Canonical code review before SpreadUbuntu enters into the Canonical datacenter
[21:55] <huayra> Grantbow, we have really concentrated more in the project that the wiki updates... and we are few people working in this project
[21:55] <huayra> so our time is limited... 
[21:56] <huayra> You are free to do it if you can :)
[21:56] <huayra> or I can help you find out how if you want ;)
[21:56] <huayra> the more people the merrier!
[21:56] <AliTabuger7> you saying we need to update the wiki more often?
[21:56] <Grantbow> I can help with the roadmap editing if we have real data to put in there
[21:57] <huayra> I can work it out and give it to you. COuld you probably take responsability for updating the roadmap?
[21:58] <huayra> it does not mean a lot of work. it really is about following a bit with the team on our blogs and our code updates which show iup in the su mailist
[21:58] <Grantbow> I don't get the feeling yet that there's a "there there" - updating and missing targets again would be bad
[21:58] <huayra> AliTabuger7, the wiki needs clean up, yes
[21:59] <AliTabuger7> probably
[21:59] <huayra> we didn't miss it, we had a prototype by that time
[22:00] <huayra> We need a simpler first page. Something like this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeams
[22:01] <huayra> the roadmap is higlighted here by me because Canonical wants to see it
[22:01] <huayra> that's all
[22:01] <huayra> anyway, to the next point:
[22:01] <huayra> Include the Global Ubuntu community:
[22:01] <huayra>     * Create a Global marketing materials recollection system
[22:01] <huayra>     *
[22:01] <huayra>       Something that ALL LoCos want to and can use 
[22:01] <huayra> Today under the Global Ubuntu Jam they mentioned Marketing Jams as a possibility
[22:02] <huayra> I think it would be a great Idea to work on a Global Ubuntu Marketing Jam and prepare a campaign which uses SU as the epicenter
[22:02] <huayra> if we do it just before the karmic release then it is sure to get lots of attention
[22:03] <huayra> AliTabuger7, how is your server couping with user peaks?
[22:03] <AliTabuger7> fine
[22:03] <AliTabuger7> no problems
[22:04] <huayra> should we aim for Canonical hosting this cycle, or shall we just defferr that to the karmic+1 cycle?
[22:06] <huayra> ok... AliTabuger7 Grantbow Takyoji are you ok with aiming at having one Global Ubuntu Marketing Jam before Karmic?
[22:07] <Takyoji> By all means, I see nothing wrong in that
[22:07] <huayra> So we can use SU not only as a reposiutory, but also as a community site for campaign operation?
[22:07] <huayra> great, let's see how far we can get.
[22:07] <Grantbow> I'll consult the team - something will happen.
[22:07] <Grantbow> in California
[22:08] <huayra> great. I'll talk to the council and let them know that we should have a working base for us to dive into new waters ;)
[22:09] <huayra> AliTabuger7, Grantbow, Takyoji thanks for a great meeting!
[22:09] <huayra> I will post the minutes in the wiki and blog about it to draw ourselves some attention from the PLanet
[22:10] <huayra> everyone else attending and watching us from the fence, please join our mailist and our Launchpad Team
[22:10] <huayra> these are exciting times!
[22:10] <huayra> HAve a great morning/evening everyone!
[22:11] <Grantbow> Thanks huayra
[22:12] <huayra> Thank you Grantbow :)
[22:37] <huayra> I'm off
[22:37] <huayra> good bye
[22:39] <Grantbow> canonical.com/press
[22:39] <Grantbow> mt
[22:44] <AliTabuger7> i've uploaded the current SU configuration