[00:00] some ubuntu team needs help. as always, technical people are design challenged. need the help of you wonderful people to make it beautiful [00:04] wow SVG can do that? [00:04] say goodbye to flash [00:04] the future is svg+javascript / html5 [00:04] MTecknology: and doctormo have been kicking ass :) [00:05] Viper550: I'm building the whole thing using php/sql [00:06] Viper550: wow, nice to see you still have the same nick [00:06] start working! [00:06] and now time for sleep [10:29] kwwii: morning! do you have experience with freelance jobs for clients outside the EU, or even specifically australia? [10:49] thorwil: well, I have done freelance jobs for non-eu people before, so yes [10:49] but not australia [10:49] although from a german perspective it doesn't matter where they are as long as they are outside of the eu [10:50] you won't have to pay mwst on what you earn from outside the EU :) [11:09] kwwii: cool. but could the job be taxable in the country of my client? [11:12] not for you, no [11:13] erm, although that depends on which country [11:13] in USA it probably would, I guess [11:13] well, my contact hopefully knows :) [11:13] let me ask someone I know who does a lot of contracting [11:17] I just talked to someone who has done several contracts for companies in australia and he told me that it was not a problem [11:17] there were no extra tax laws or such [11:17] kwwii: great, thanks! [11:17] n p [12:18] macvr: I uploaded a face-angel [12:19] macvr: do you want to have all the (open) mouths in lightbrown now? [12:25] michote: what are you talking about? :) [12:25] raozuzu: breathe-smileys ;) [12:26] uh... thnx you ;) [12:26] how is going the whole work? [12:29] raozuzu: I'm just working on the smileys, but you can take a look at the wiki [12:29] you're right :P I'll take a look ;) [12:32] michote: looks good... but not sure about the blush... lets see what Cory says... i think he might reply this week end... so you can wait before editing... [12:35] macvr: ok, we'll see. [12:35] macvr: did your comment refer to the mouths, too? [12:36] mmm the mouse pointer theme would be the jimmac's one also in KK? [12:37] michote: you can edit the mouths similar to the surprise and add as a second version, let both be on the wiki [12:38] michote: ok [12:40] michote: really nice job on the halo. i think the blush is a nice touch [12:40] thorwil: thx ;) [12:41] michote: you should perhaps try to have the halo cast light onto the face [12:42] the shadow you have now does help to keep both objects apart, though [12:43] you mean changing the shadow into a shine? [12:43] michote: yes, though you might need to add a gap between halo and shine [12:43] thorwil: i like the blush , but there seems to be something off! [12:45] maybe if the circle was bigger and the fade was more gradual... [12:45] macvr: ack [12:45] from the blush to the surrounding [12:46] michote: you could turn the dark strokes of the eyes into shapes and make them pointy at both ends. for the scalable size, only [12:46] or let them fade out to the sides a bit [12:47] thorwil: isnt the 128 px, blush looking strong? [12:48] macvr: with ack i meant taht i agree with bigger and more gradual [12:48] i know [12:49] but i feel that the blush ... that blush makes the angel look like a cross dresser to me! [12:49] maybe for the 128px, it could be lighter, more subtle [12:49] macvr: heh, don't you know that we market ubuntu to cross-dressers. too? ;) [12:50] we can market , but angel? [12:50] +1 for more subtle. i still say it is a nice touch :) [12:50] i too like the blush... but its just too strong [12:51] michote: could you try the blush in a lighter shade? [12:52] SiDi: have you looked into that file i sent? [12:52] yes, I'll will give it a try, I just was uploading glasses with a changed mouth ;) [12:52] err i was away [12:54] SiDi: always very busy! [12:55] thorwil: did you have a look at the smile 3rd version? does the cheek look wierd? [12:55] macvr: yes, it does [12:55] ah! [12:55] macvr: it's too sharp [12:55] macvr: which line ? [12:56] oh crap thats js :( [12:56] macvr: im quite in a hurry right now, ping me about it tonight, okies ? [12:56] SiDi: line222 [12:56] ok no prob [12:57] body = body + subject + "\r\nfrom " + author + "\r\n"; ? [12:57] macvr: you should study how that looks in a real smile. there's a strong inward bend, so you would have darker shade to the sides of the mouth [12:57] yup [12:57] try this [12:57] \r\n instead of " ," [12:57] or try to actually go to next line [12:57] thorwil: i tried making it less sharp... but t just didnt work out! [12:57] subject + " [12:57] blabl" [12:57] see you later people [12:58] macvr: the highlights shouldn't be right next too the lines [12:58] macvr: the high point of the cheecks would be elsewhere [12:58] oh ... ok [12:59] thorwil: http://www.flickr.com/photos/everaldocoelho/3588311497/sizes/m/ i tried making it like this! [12:59] i think i need to edit the stops... [13:00] macvr: the whole lighting is different there [13:00] thorwil: that wont look good here? [13:00] he seems to assume 3 light sources. and there is glow [13:01] ah... ! [13:01] so the shine MUST be higher for this one [13:01] i kept feeling something was of!!! [13:02] macvr: http://www.live-wintersport.com/thumb_uc_5394_540_Bill_Demong_(USA_Kombi)_with_smile.jpg [13:06] macvr: maybe it helps if the think of the mouth as a shape on a vertical cylinder (think of the u-shape of the teeth) [13:07] the cheeks are like balls that are pushed to the sides and up by the smile [13:07] thorwil: i think i'm just going to remove the shine :P [13:07] i'll try though... :) [13:09] thorwil: doesnt this look ok... http://files.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/smiley6.png [13:10] note that the line around the outside gets pixelated at all of the smaller sizes you show [13:10] the smaller sizes doesn have the cheek lines... [13:11] doesnt^ [13:11] oh you mean the 48,32?px [13:11] kwwii: ^ [13:11] well, i was only talking about the line around the outside of the whole thing [13:11] it looks pixelated on all of the smaller sizes on my screen [13:12] :( [13:12] i'll see what i can do... [13:12] either make the line bigger on the smaller sizes or less visible [13:12] macvr: it might look ok, but not exactly good [13:12] thorwil: :P ... [13:12] and make sure the circles are on a pixel grid [13:13] thorwil: i'll try adding the shine... [13:13] kwwii: ok... [13:14] macvr: i think the problem is that you leave the realm of printed-on-the-surface, but only so slightly and in a limited area. so the whole things falls apart a bit [13:14] kwwii: actually there is a black shadow below the line... is that waht is causing the pixelation effect? [13:14] macvr: so you need to either get the surface modeling right and applied on a broader area, or you need to go back to the just-printed-on look [13:16] thorwil: ah... i'll first try with the surface modelling... [13:22] macvr: essentially it is the fact that a thin line is showing which does not look good with the anti-aliasing [13:22] so it is a matter of size, transparency and placement [13:23] kwwii: ok... i'll correct it [13:23] * kwwii gets lunch soon [13:40] * macvr hates faces :P ... easier while working on inanimate objects [13:53] crappy residence [13:53] they just opened the laundry instead of at 9 am and now i dont have enough time to wash my clothes... >_< [13:54] SiDi: never picked you as a clean guy! [13:54] :P [13:55] meh [13:55] i got enough clean clothes for a good week yet [13:55] but still [13:55] what? i'm sure SiDi usually sparkles! [13:55] that pisses me off [13:55] cause i'll have to do it monday before or after work [13:55] and i wont have clean sheets when ill be back sunday [13:56] which sucks even more [13:56] SiDi: see there is a down side to having toooo much action! [13:57] c'mon, i had PLAIN TIME for this this morning [13:57] but they had to open it at 2 PM [13:57] after i asked twice [13:57] * SiDi is upset [14:39] thorwil: do you have any of Oliver's work [links] ? [14:40] the bird he had done for the stamp was awesome... [14:55] macvr: nope [14:55] :( [14:55] * thorwil goes for a walk [14:59] we should get in touch with mma, I am sure he has some of this somewhere [16:12] kwwii: ^ was that regarding Oliver? [16:13] macvr: well, about getting the missing images back online [16:14] i think michote has restored the png... [16:14] of all the files [16:14] i was asking for the links ... just to analyze his work.. :) [16:16] ahh, cool [16:17] just want to make sure that nothing gets lost accidentaly [16:19] kwwii: michote had convert the svg to png en bulk using the nautilus script, so some didnt look good, those i recognized as bad quality , i restored from the ones i had downloaded, also warned the other members via a mailing list so that they too could check ... [16:26] cool