[00:00] <lamalex> some ubuntu team needs help. as always, technical people are design challenged. need the help of you wonderful people to make it beautiful
[00:04] <Viper550> wow SVG can do that?
[00:04] <lamalex> say goodbye to flash
[00:04] <lamalex> the future is svg+javascript / html5
[00:04] <lamalex> MTecknology: and doctormo have been kicking ass :)
[00:05] <MTecknology> Viper550: I'm building the whole thing using php/sql
[00:06] <kwwii> Viper550: wow, nice to see you still have the same nick
[00:06] <kwwii> start working!
[00:06] <kwwii> and now time for sleep
[10:29] <thorwil> kwwii: morning! do you have experience with freelance jobs for clients outside the EU, or even specifically australia?
[10:49] <kwwii> thorwil: well, I have done freelance jobs for non-eu people before, so yes
[10:49] <kwwii> but not australia
[10:49] <kwwii> although from a german perspective it doesn't matter where they are as long as they are outside of the eu
[10:50] <kwwii> you won't have to pay mwst on what you earn from outside the EU :)
[11:09] <thorwil> kwwii: cool. but could the job be taxable in the country of my client?
[11:12] <kwwii> not for you, no
[11:13] <kwwii> erm, although that depends on which country
[11:13] <kwwii> in USA it probably would, I guess
[11:13] <thorwil> well, my contact hopefully knows :)
[11:13] <kwwii> let me ask someone I know who does a lot of contracting
[11:17] <kwwii> I just talked to someone who has done several contracts for companies in australia and he told me that it was not a problem
[11:17] <kwwii> there were no extra tax laws or such
[11:17] <thorwil> kwwii: great, thanks!
[11:17] <kwwii> n p
[12:18] <michote> macvr: I uploaded a face-angel
[12:19] <michote> macvr: do you want to have all the (open) mouths in lightbrown now?
[12:25] <raozuzu> michote: what are you talking about? :)
[12:25] <michote> raozuzu: breathe-smileys ;)
[12:26] <raozuzu> uh... thnx you ;)
[12:26] <raozuzu> how is going the whole work?
[12:29] <michote> raozuzu: I'm just working on the smileys, but you can take a look at the wiki
[12:29] <raozuzu> you're right :P I'll take a look ;)
[12:32] <macvr> michote: looks good... but not sure about the blush...  lets see what Cory says... i think he might reply this week end... so you can wait before editing...
[12:35] <michote> macvr: ok, we'll see.
[12:35] <michote> macvr: did your comment refer to the mouths, too?
[12:36] <raozuzu> mmm the mouse pointer theme would be the jimmac's one also in KK?
[12:37] <macvr> michote: you can edit the mouths similar to the surprise and add as a second version, let both be on the wiki
[12:38] <michote> michote: ok
[12:40] <thorwil> michote: really nice job on the halo. i think the blush is a nice touch
[12:40] <michote> thorwil: thx ;)
[12:41] <thorwil> michote: you should perhaps try to have the halo cast light onto the face
[12:42] <thorwil> the shadow you have now does help to keep both objects apart, though
[12:43] <michote> you mean changing the shadow into a shine?
[12:43] <thorwil> michote: yes, though you might need to add a gap between halo and shine
[12:43] <macvr> thorwil: i like the blush , but there seems to be something off!
[12:45] <macvr> maybe if the circle was bigger and the fade was more gradual...
[12:45] <thorwil> macvr: ack
[12:45] <macvr> from the blush to the surrounding
[12:46] <thorwil> michote: you could turn the dark strokes of the eyes into shapes and make them pointy at both ends. for the scalable size, only
[12:46] <thorwil> or let them fade out to the sides a bit
[12:47] <macvr> thorwil: isnt the 128 px, blush looking strong?
[12:48] <thorwil> macvr: with ack i meant taht i agree with bigger and more gradual
[12:48] <macvr> i know
[12:49] <macvr> but i feel that the blush ... that blush makes the angel look like a cross dresser to me!
[12:49] <macvr> maybe for the 128px, it could be lighter, more subtle
[12:49] <thorwil> macvr: heh, don't you know that we market ubuntu to cross-dressers. too? ;)
[12:50] <macvr> we can market , but angel?
[12:50] <thorwil> +1 for more subtle. i still say it is a nice touch :)
[12:50] <macvr> i too like the blush... but its just too strong
[12:51] <macvr> michote: could you try the blush in a lighter shade?
[12:52] <macvr> SiDi: have you looked into that file i sent?
[12:52] <michote> yes, I'll will give it a try, I just was uploading glasses with a changed mouth ;)
[12:52] <SiDi> err i was away
[12:54] <macvr> SiDi: always very busy!
[12:55] <macvr> thorwil: did you have a look at the smile 3rd version? does the cheek look wierd?
[12:55] <thorwil> macvr: yes, it does
[12:55] <macvr> ah!
[12:55] <thorwil> macvr: it's too sharp
[12:55] <SiDi> macvr: which line ?
[12:56] <SiDi> oh crap thats js :(
[12:56] <SiDi> macvr: im quite in a hurry right now, ping me about it tonight, okies ?
[12:56] <macvr> SiDi: line222
[12:56] <macvr> ok no prob
[12:57] <SiDi>          body = body + subject + "\r\nfrom " + author + "\r\n"; ?
[12:57] <thorwil> macvr: you should study how that looks in a real smile. there's a strong inward bend, so you would have darker shade to the sides of the mouth
[12:57] <macvr> yup
[12:57] <SiDi> try this
[12:57] <SiDi> \r\n instead of " ,"
[12:57] <SiDi> or try to actually go to next line
[12:57] <macvr> thorwil: i tried making it less sharp... but t just didnt work out!
[12:57] <SiDi> subject + "
[12:57] <SiDi> blabl"
[12:57] <SiDi> see you later people
[12:58] <thorwil> macvr: the highlights shouldn't be right next too the lines
[12:58] <thorwil> macvr: the high point of the cheecks would be elsewhere
[12:58] <macvr> oh ... ok
[12:59] <macvr> thorwil: http://www.flickr.com/photos/everaldocoelho/3588311497/sizes/m/ i tried making it like this!
[12:59] <macvr> i think i need to edit the stops...
[13:00] <thorwil> macvr: the whole lighting is different there
[13:00] <macvr> thorwil: that wont look good here?
[13:00] <thorwil> he seems to assume 3 light sources. and there is glow
[13:01] <macvr> ah... !
[13:01] <macvr> so the shine MUST be higher for this one
[13:01] <macvr> i kept feeling something was of!!!
[13:02] <thorwil> macvr: http://www.live-wintersport.com/thumb_uc_5394_540_Bill_Demong_(USA_Kombi)_with_smile.jpg
[13:06] <thorwil> macvr: maybe it helps if the think of the mouth as a shape on a vertical cylinder (think of the u-shape of the teeth)
[13:07] <thorwil> the cheeks are like balls that are pushed to the sides and up by the smile
[13:07] <macvr> thorwil: i think i'm just going to remove the shine :P
[13:07] <macvr> i'll try though... :)
[13:09] <macvr> thorwil: doesnt this look ok...  http://files.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/smiley6.png
[13:10] <kwwii> note that the line around the outside gets pixelated at all of the smaller sizes you show
[13:10] <macvr> the smaller sizes doesn have the cheek lines...
[13:11] <macvr> doesnt^
[13:11] <macvr> oh you mean the 48,32?px
[13:11] <macvr> kwwii: ^
[13:11] <kwwii> well, i was only talking about the line around the outside of the whole thing
[13:11] <kwwii> it looks pixelated on all of the smaller sizes on my screen
[13:12] <macvr> :(
[13:12] <macvr> i'll see what i can do...
[13:12] <kwwii> either make the line bigger on the smaller sizes or less visible
[13:12] <thorwil> macvr: it might look ok, but not exactly good
[13:12] <macvr> thorwil: :P ...
[13:12] <kwwii> and make sure the circles are on a pixel grid
[13:13] <macvr> thorwil: i'll try adding the shine...
[13:13] <macvr> kwwii: ok...
[13:14] <thorwil> macvr: i think the problem is that you leave the realm of printed-on-the-surface, but only so slightly and in a limited area. so the whole things falls apart a bit
[13:14] <macvr> kwwii: actually there is a black shadow below the line... is that waht is causing the pixelation effect?
[13:14] <thorwil> macvr: so you need to either get the surface modeling right and applied on a broader area, or you need to go back to the just-printed-on look
[13:16] <macvr> thorwil: ah... i'll first try with the surface modelling...
[13:22] <kwwii> macvr: essentially it is the fact that a thin line is showing which does not look good with the anti-aliasing
[13:22] <kwwii> so it is a matter of size, transparency and placement
[13:23] <macvr> kwwii: ok... i'll correct it
[13:23]  * kwwii gets lunch soon
[13:40]  * macvr hates faces :P ... easier while working on inanimate objects
[13:53] <SiDi> crappy residence
[13:53] <SiDi> they just opened the laundry instead of at 9 am and now i dont have enough time to wash my clothes... >_<
[13:54] <macvr> SiDi: never picked you as a clean guy!
[13:54] <macvr> :P
[13:55] <SiDi> meh
[13:55] <SiDi> i got enough clean clothes for a good week yet
[13:55] <SiDi> but still
[13:55] <thorwil> what? i'm sure SiDi usually sparkles!
[13:55] <SiDi> that pisses me off
[13:55] <SiDi> cause i'll have to do it monday before or after work
[13:55] <SiDi> and i wont have clean sheets when ill be back sunday
[13:56] <SiDi> which sucks even more
[13:56] <macvr> SiDi: see there is a down side to having toooo much action!
[13:57] <SiDi> c'mon, i had PLAIN TIME for this this morning
[13:57] <SiDi> but they had to open it at 2 PM
[13:57] <SiDi> after i asked twice
[13:57]  * SiDi is upset
[14:39] <macvr> thorwil: do you have any of Oliver's work [links] ?
[14:40] <macvr> the bird he had done for the stamp was awesome...
[14:55] <thorwil> macvr: nope
[14:55] <macvr> :(
[14:55]  * thorwil goes for a walk
[14:59] <kwwii> we should get in touch with mma, I am sure he has some of this somewhere
[16:12] <macvr> kwwii: ^ was that regarding Oliver?
[16:13] <kwwii> macvr: well, about getting the missing images back online
[16:14] <macvr> i think michote has restored the png...
[16:14] <macvr> of all the files
[16:14] <macvr> i was asking for the links ... just to analyze his work.. :)
[16:16] <kwwii> ahh, cool
[16:17] <kwwii> just want to make sure that nothing gets lost accidentaly
[16:19] <macvr> kwwii: michote had convert the svg to png en bulk using the nautilus script, so some didnt look good, those i recognized as bad quality , i restored from the ones i had downloaded, also warned the other members via a mailing list so that they too could check  ...
[16:26] <kwwii> cool