[00:13] python-gdl is uninstallabla [00:13] e* [00:19] its quiet in here this evening [00:20] * robert_ancell watches the tumbleweed float past [00:20] lol [00:21] i should probably get some sleep really. i always wake up late for work else [00:23] * TheMuso hopes that his local power grid doesn't go down again like it has three times already this morning. [00:24] TheMuso - that's not good. why is that happening? [00:25] chrisccoulson: Because our power grid around here is somewhat flaky, and doesn't have backup power routing. [00:26] It doesn't take much for a storm to bring several towns who are on the one grid setup down for 3 hours or more at a time, and similar to this morning, it can simply go down for a minute or so at a time, and come back, or go down for 3 hours plus. === rickspencer3 is now known as rickspencer3-afk [00:27] i cant remember the last time that happened here. i remember losing power lots when i was growing up, but it rarely seems to happen here now. [00:27] Every mini power outage that I experienced this morning saw me hoping the power wan't going to be out for more than five minutes or so./ [00:27] Things *seem* to be ok now, but you never know with a piece of garbage power grid like whats in this local area. [00:28] * TheMuso can't wait to return to Sydney proper, although power grid issues have been occurring their lately as well. :S [00:29] when are you returning to sydney? [00:30] TheMuso: sounds like you like to live on the edge there [00:30] ajmitch: Not by choice. [00:30] chrisccoulson: Hopefully later this year, I hope to buy an appartment. [00:31] * ajmitch can't recall the last time there were power problems here [00:31] nice(H). i keep getting sent lots of information about career opportunities in australia [00:31] its very tempting [00:48] robert_ancell: hi! i see you worked on the desktop-versions-script. I changed it to use python-launchpadlib to get the list of bugs and their respective assignee. code at https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~amoog/+junk/versions . should I file a merge request? [00:49] Ampelbein: It's since been worked on by didrocks who added launchpadlib support, have you checked out the latest version? [00:51] robert_ancell: oh, seems he pushed his change after i checked out. will look at his code. [00:59] didrocks: hi. regarding your integration of python-launchpadlib in the desktop-versions script: why do you use regex-matching instead of querying the object directly? [01:45] rickspencer3-afk, I filed bug #389269 about that upstream bug importance issue I mentioned the other day [01:45] Launchpad bug 389269 in launchpad "Doesn't show importance of watches on remote bugzilla bugs from freedesktop.org" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/389269 [01:46] rickspencer3-afk, it'd be sweet if you could bump the priority on that [01:46] bryce: ok [01:46] let me talk to Kiko [01:47] I'm wondering if it's supported but requires freedesktop.org to use this launchpad pluggin, which would require them to upgrade their bugzilla [01:47] in which case, I was really hoping to meet up with someone at Guadec from freedesktop, because I have not tracked down the admins to talk to about this [01:47] (emails not answered) [01:47] thanks! [01:47] * bryce nods [01:48] I would think they'd be able to snarf the importance the same way they're snarfing status, but who knows [01:52] robert_ancell: hi again. I've made some changes to the py-lp-lib code introduced by didrocks, can you review and possibly apply them? available at https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~amoog/+junk/ubuntu-desktop-versions [01:52] Ampelbein, ok, will look [01:53] robert_ancell: so, if you click on a widget in glade, and then right click inside the inspector treeview, you can choose "edit at top level", in which case it produces a valid UI file that you can use to create a custom widget! [01:54] rickspencer3-afk, cool! [01:54] then you can slurp that widget into a class that derives from frame [01:54] Ampelbein, you have tabs! evil ;) [01:55] robert_ancell: so no tabs? whitespaces all along? and who's gonna buy me a new space-key? ;-) [01:55] haha [01:55] Ampelbein, I didn't say you had to press space, just i done want to see 0x09 in your binary! :) [01:57] robert_ancell: ok then. [01:59] Ampelbein, looks good, the less regexp in the world the better. I've committed with whitespace changes [02:01] robert_ancell: thanks. i'm trying to find out a way to search the bug-subscriptions but no luck yet. Best I can come up with is to iterate through bug_subscription[] and string-compare. but that's much slower than the current way. [02:05] Ampelbein: There is a feature that I want if you're keen to implement it: I want it to be able to track the popular universe desktop packages and have a toggle to enable/disable these (using javascript or similar). That way this tool can be useful to the community [02:08] * TheMuso sighs. All code should be tabbed in, and not white spaced, enough said. [02:08] robert_ancell: i'm unsure if i understand correctly. the generated page should have this toggle? wouldn't it be easier to generate 3 versions of the html? 1) standard packages 2) extra packages 3) all packages [02:09] Ampelbein, we could generate 3, but it would be cooler if it could be toggled without reloading :) [02:10] robert_ancell: i know you would say that. [02:10] *knew [02:11] Ubuntu has to be Web 2.0 compliant! [02:13] robert_ancell: i can try to do this. but not today, it's 03:12AM and i'm too tired... need my 3 hours sleep per day ;-) [02:14] Ampelbein, !! I thought you were in an Eastern timezone! [02:14] robert_ancell: nah, germany. CEST. [02:15] Ampelbein, I'm in Sydney [02:16] robert_ancell: you could the internetz in down under? way cool! *eg* [02:16] *could have [02:16] arghs. *can have. too tired, as i said. [02:26] Ampelbein, still awake? Do you know how to get the importance of a bug from lplib? [02:29] robert_ancell: short version: you can't. long version: you have to take the importance from the bug_task [02:36] robert_ancell: got my messages? had a disconnect. [02:37] Ampelbein, got it, thanks! I just modified versions so it now uses the correct bug icon [04:31] TheMuso, how well do you know gstreamer? [04:33] robert_ancell: Not that well. [04:34] What I'm trying to work out is should a gst input have a mute? I think it is obsolete due to the recording toggle [04:50] No idea. [04:50] The only thing I know about gstreamer is that it allows pipelines to be constructed using various plugins as inputs/outputs. [05:18] robert_ancell: rather it seems odd to me that i have to click a button to tell the system i might want to record from my microphone [05:19] not that clicking the button seems to particularly help, or do anything, or actually stay set to recording [05:19] mute for inputs should mean "don't record from here" [05:20] dobey, I think that mute is for output only and the record toggle is the equivalent for inputs. You should only need both for a bi-directional track [05:21] robert_ancell: are you pondering UI, or the implementation? [05:23] dobey, fixing bug #578174, the volume control is doing what is thinks gstreamer is telling it to do but it is wrong [05:23] Error: Launchpad bug 578174 could not be found [05:23] bug 299642 [05:23] Launchpad bug 299642 in gnome-media "Microphone Capture ALWAYS muted" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/299642 [05:23] ah ok [05:24] robert_ancell: i think part of the problem might be a bug in whatever handles the register change for when external headphones/mic are plugged in to the 3.5 mm jack [05:24] on both my fujitsu laptops, plugging in headphones does not mute the internal speaker [05:25] dobey: yes, it appears there are a number of issues here - audio is very hard for users to diagnose [05:25] and on my older one, i can seem to use skype if i plug in an external mic, but i can't get the internal mic to work [05:25] i don't even want to try to describe some of the issues on my newer laptop [05:26] i'm going to chalk it up to "poulsbo makes stuff break" at the moment [05:27] dobey: That jack sense stuff is at the ALSA driver layer, i.e alsa doesn't know the correct hda verbs. [05:28] TheMuso: i don't care where it is. i just want it to work. the UI suggest it works. however, it does not. :) [05:28] dobey: Yes, I know. [05:33] heya rick [05:33] anyway, so very tired [05:33] must sleep [05:33] later [05:34] bryce: Is rick avoiding you? [05:34] robert_ancell, looks like! [05:34] * TheMuso notes that hda hardware + just want it to work do not go hand in hand very well, especially for new hardware. [05:37] * TheMuso goes to dig up his USB sound card. [06:01] TheMuso, why are we not using the new gnome-volume-control yet? [06:01] robert_ancell: We need to do the switcheroo. [06:01] Not hard to do, I need to work with pitti/another archive admin to do that. [06:01] TheMuso, switcheroo? [06:02] robert_ancell: Switch the current volume applet around with the pulse applet. Involves uploading a new panel schema with the volume applet removed, and loading the pulse applet on startup. [06:02] TheMuso, is this scheduled for Karmic? It would be nice to align with upstream [06:03] robert_ancell: yes scheduled for karmic, part of the big audio integration drive. [06:03] TheMuso, ah, cool [06:35] bryce, is it ok to push compiz reports with driver problems to xorg? e.g. bug 340673. I think you have the process to filter them better than I can do manually [06:35] Launchpad bug 340673 in compiz "ATi Radeon 9600 Pro" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/340673 [06:53] bryce, If we can get the patches that fixed https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20704 into xorg and mesa I can do the compiz patch that goes with it [06:53] Freedesktop bug 20704 in Server/general "memory leak: Keep resizing glxgears window with compiz will make X hang" [Major,Resolved: fixed] [07:15] LOL, the one hundred paper cuts project has 385 bugs and counting... [07:16] robert_ancell, Yeah, I think I closed about 20 of them [07:17] robert_ancell, too much bug mail [07:17] yes, everyone has a pet bug they want to attach [07:41] see you all next week [08:08] Ampelbein: Thanks for the patch ;) If you have a good launchpadlib documentation, I can take it, because https://launchpad.net/+apidoc seems a little bit oudated (We can infer that A._link has a A. corresponding object?) [08:09] morning everyone o/ [08:24] Greetings everyone! === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter [08:47] hey seb128! [08:48] hello didrocks [08:49] seb128: there are some changes in versions.py script, if you want to try them :) [08:52] lot of changes [08:52] did you duplicate work for the launchpadlib changes? [08:52] you apparently did some of those changes and robert_ancell applied the ones from Ampelbein later [08:54] ok, datacenter version updated, the next run in 15 minutes will use the current version [08:59] seb128: no, I made them before Ampelbein and then, he changed my regexp to object handler [09:00] seb128: did you create a credential and upload it to the datacenter? [09:00] didrocks: to be honest he did that before you, only he emailed me about the change and I forwarded to robert_ancell the email [09:00] seb128: oh :/ [09:01] didrocks: no I didn't, is that required? [09:01] trying locally [09:01] seb128: yes, first time you run the script, you create a credential, and then use it. launchpadlib don't allow anonymous access [09:02] didrocks: where is the token stored? [09:03] seb128: in lpbinding, the file is called ubuntu-desktop-cred [09:09] doh [09:09] ERROR: it seems that python-launchpadlib is not installed [09:09] the datacenter machines are no fun for that [09:09] :/ [09:10] hopefully, I tried to import launchpadlib in a try/except statement :) [09:10] well, can make a request ? [09:10] or they never change the setup of datacenter machines? [09:11] morning everyone [09:11] hello seb128 and didrocks [09:11] salut huats [09:11] dapper ftw === proppy1 is now known as proppy [09:13] mvo: indeed [09:15] Good morning [09:15] ok, I did roll back to a version not using launchpadlib for now [09:15] hey pitti [09:15] bryce: thanks for the headsup [09:15] hello pitti [09:16] so the cron job is running [09:16] I'm official taking a swap day today so I don't plan to spend much time on that [09:16] seb128: enjoy! [09:16] the previous version is working and will do the job for now [09:16] * pitti starting late today, was plucking strawberries this morning [09:16] mmmm [09:16] I guess we might have to get a launchpadlib copy or something [09:16] pitti: nice ;-) [09:16] meh, empathy requires weird stuff from universe [09:16] The following packages have unmet dependencies: [09:17] libgstfarsight0.10-0: Depends: libnice0 (>= 0.0.6) but it is not installable [09:17] Depends: gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad (>= 0.10.11) but it is not installable [09:17] Depends: gstreamer0.10-nice but it is not installable [09:17] this doesn't seem like something that's easy to resolve [09:17] and thus breaks CD builds [09:17] seb128: ok. I can maybe add some checks to fallback in this mode if launchpadlib is not setup (but we can't have sponsor list as this is a DOM object loaded after the page is retrieved with urlopen()) [09:18] kenvandine: ^ [09:19] didrocks: should be easy to install launchpadlib to a local path if there is no extra depends no? [09:20] or use parsing in case where it's not available should do too [09:21] seb128: https://help.launchpad.net/API/launchpadlib#Installation [09:21] didrocks, seb128: we use a local launchpadlib installation in the apport retracers [09:21] it's just bzr branch lp:launchpadlib if wadllib is installed [09:21] ubuntu-archive@ronne:~$ ls launchpadlib/ [09:21] httplib2 launchpadlib lazr.uri oauth simplejson wadllib [09:21] you need those [09:22] doh [09:22] seems complicated [09:22] we should maybe just do screen parsing for that [09:22] didrocks: hang on [09:23] seb128: but screen parsing doesn't allow to get subscribed list and so, your can't retrieve sponsor team if subsscribed. Good reason for slackering on sponsoring, yes :p [09:24] didrocks, seb128: you can take the shell snippet from http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Eubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu/karmic/apport/ubuntu/annotate/head%3A/debian/local/setup-apport-retracer#L77 to set up launchpadlib locally [09:24] (seb128: that's the reason why I decided to implement launchpadlib on it) [09:26] eww, rookery is still dapper; that's going to be hard [09:26] pitti: seems great ;) And then, we just add to sys.path $HOME/launchpadlib in version.py [09:26] didrocks: PYTHONPATH=$HOME/launchpadlib yourscript... [09:28] pitti: better than adding it to the script with os.syspath(), indeed :) [09:28] seb128: motivated, even on Friday? ;) [09:35] didrocks: as said today is a swap day for me not a work day ;-) [09:35] I'm fine applying updates though [09:37] * mvo pushes seb128 gently away from work [09:38] seb128: well. I will work on it this week-end (no ssh from my company and bzr without ssh + lp is hard to test something fixed ;)) [09:40] mvo: I'm not really working just chatting on IRC when I pass near the computer ;-) [09:40] Amaranth, #20704 on my todo list to look at tomorrow [09:41] mvo: but right, I should be careful to not start doing work ;-) [09:42] seb128: you really should take some real rest, though :-) [09:42] didrocks: I've slept enough and I don't plan to be near the computer for the whole day don't worry [09:43] :-) [09:43] seb128: :) [09:43] it's just early in the morning and I'm getting coffee, checking news, etc [09:44] tea! [09:44] scnr [09:46] mvo: tea addicts can't win, "Coffee has a majority market share" ;) [09:47] haha [09:47] true [09:51] mvo: don't worry another tea addict will rejoign the team (me:)) [09:52] * hyperair likes both tea and coffee [09:57] i've just ran out of coffee at work :( [09:57] and i'm in a meeting until 1pm - it's times like that when coffee is required [10:02] have someone poke you every 5 minutes =p [10:02] i would still not wake up ;) [10:02] a slap would do the job? [10:02] i'm asleep pretty much as soon as the caffeine wears off [10:03] lol [10:13] Hmm I'm trying to debug the yelp crash, but no luck with dbgsym and neither with rebuilding yelp and rarian with noopt nostrip [10:14] The backtraces lack debug symbols; albeit I can break on static functions [10:21] chrisccoulson: sounds like you need to lay off the caffeine for a while =p [10:21] lool: how about dbg symbols for every library yelp has? [10:22] You think that'd help? [10:22] I don't see any *sos outside libc in the stack trace currently [10:24] hmm [10:24] how very strange [10:26] ah valgrind gives me line numbers [10:26] Cool, it's exactly the place I suspected when reading the source, but couldn't break on it [10:32] wee, fixed [10:35] hmpf where's the upstream VCS for rarian? [10:36] freedesktop? [10:36] Yeah, but didn't find the git [10:36] I think it's still using SVN [11:42] didrocks: hi. I don't have another api-documentation but do