[00:33] <spm> hmmm. following along the support/installation instructions.; step 3 fails. click the menu. nothing. run the applet from the cmd line, works fine - and a page opens in firefox. odd.
[05:05] <dobey> spm that is indeed odd
[09:03] <thisfred> GOOOOOD morning Ubuntu One!
[09:03] <thisfred> for very local values of morning, I realize
[09:03] <thisfred> This is a local morning, for local people
[09:14] <alanbell> morning thisfred
[09:16] <thisfred> hi alanbell
[09:19] <thisfred> ah, new kernel, restart required...
[09:20] <leoquant> -13 kernel indeed fingers crossed .....
[09:28] <alanbell> new kernel in Jaunty?
[09:32] <thisfred> alanbell: I'm not sure, I'm using way too many repositories... ;)
[09:33] <leoquant> uname -r 2.6.28-13-generic
[09:46] <alanbell> I am on 2.6.28-11-generic
[09:48]  * Ng hmms, I think the U1 client tries to connect too soon after NM announces a connection
[09:49] <Ng> I use a wired connection in a place where there is also wireless, so I end up connecting to both and the few seconds where that's all happening seems to make network things quite unhappy
[10:08] <leoquant> alanbell with a default repos. you should have the -13 imho...
[10:09] <leoquant> (no proposed or backports here)
[10:12] <artir> u1 client latest update requires gtk 2.17 and latest in jaunty is 2.16.1
[10:23] <rodrigo_> morning
[11:41] <daubers> Hey all, just to check before I file a bug, does anyone else have long filenames overlapping with the file underneath in the web UI?
[11:50] <jdobrien> daubers: yeah that's reported
[11:50] <daubers> Ah, ok
[11:50] <jdobrien> the file ui is going to get an overhaul
[11:50] <daubers> I had a quick ;look but couldn't find it on launchpad
[11:50] <jdobrien> web that is
[11:58] <daubers> oooh, interesting
[11:59] <daubers> It's quite nice already
[12:28] <thisfred> new py.test beta is out: http://pypi.python.org/pypi?:action=display&name=py&version=1.0.0b3
[12:28] <thisfred> the py. libraries are usually a bit too magic for me, but ymmv, and they do incredibly cool and clever stuff
[13:30] <mattgriffin> good morning beta testers :)
[13:30] <facundobatista> Hi all
[13:30] <facundobatista> Hi mattgriffin
[13:33] <rodrigo_> hi mattgriffin
[13:36] <SteveA> hi matt
[13:39] <jblount> Hmm. So I have to keep 'sudo killall ubuntuone-client ubuntuone-syncdaemon' and restarting ubuntuone-client to upload a bunch (4GB or so) or stuff.
[13:41] <jdobrien> jblount: I just disconnect and reconnect
[13:41] <jdobrien> jblount: no fancy killing
[13:41] <jdobrien> jblount: we really need some bandwidth throttling though
[13:42] <jdobrien> jblount: U1 will take all my bandwidth and I can't even read mail
[13:42] <jblount> jdobrien: Eh, I'd love for it to take all my bandwidth, I shouldn't have to dis/re connect in order to upload a couple of gigs of files. That's dumb.
[13:42]  * jdobrien was digging into some python bandwidth throttling code
[13:43] <jdobrien> jblount: well...I had work to do ;)
[13:43] <jblount> jdobrien: This is my work! :)
[13:45] <jdobrien> did anyone notice that when sharing folders, it doesn't group them by who shared them...so you can have folders listed with the same name
[13:45] <jdobrien> thats in the web ^^
[13:45] <jblount> jdobrien: That's true, it's a totally different experience.
[13:49] <dobey> hrmm
[13:50] <dobey> i wonder if it would be better instead of having "foo from bar/" to have "bar/foo/" as the directory shared to you
[13:50] <dobey> that way if someone shares multiple things to you, they're all grouped by that person
[13:50] <jblount> dobey: +1
[13:51] <dobey> i blogged about the 0.90.2 tarballs being released, last night too
[13:53] <statik> hello world
[13:54] <jdobrien> dobey: in the web ui, I would like to have /Shared With Me/<Who>/<Share Name>/
[13:54] <jdobrien> dobey: adding more folders on the client wouldn't be a good idea
[13:54] <dobey> jdobrien: right. i was suggesting we should do it that way on the client, rather than how we are now
[13:55] <jdobrien> dobey: at least from the "I can't put files in Shared With Me/John O'Brien/
[13:55] <dobey> but i don't want to write the migration code
[13:55] <dobey> jdobrien: the web ui shouldn't display things differently than the local client.
[13:59] <jblount> dobey: If your blog had comments, I would comment "well don"
[13:59] <jblount> s/don/done
[14:00] <dobey> my blog explicitly doesn't have comments, because the majority of them would be "you suck" or "buy some viagra", and i don't like getting spam :)
[14:00] <dobey> i get enough spam in my email
[14:05] <jdobrien> spam is viagra
[14:09] <jdobrien> I need two volunteers
[14:09] <dobey> spam spam spam spam spam bacon, eggs, viagra, and spam
[14:09] <jblount> jdobrien: Pick me!
[14:10] <jdobrien> please share a folder with me using the name "TestFolder" send it to webm0nk3y@gmail.com
[14:10] <jdobrien> I need one more
[14:10] <jdobrien> dobey: ? ^^
[14:11] <jdobrien> it can be any folder
[14:11] <jdobrien> even an empty one
[14:12] <jblount> jdobrien: Done deal.
[14:12] <thisfred> jdobrien: sharing folder with you
[14:13] <jdobrien> thisfred: thanks...make sure you name it TestFolder
[14:13] <jdobrien> not the folder...the share
[14:13] <thisfred> ok!
[14:14] <verterok> jdobrien: please don't break it :)
[14:14] <thisfred> jdobrien: read only or not or dudn
[14:14] <thisfred> t it matter?
[14:14] <jdobrien> thisfred: doesn't matter
[14:14] <thisfred> k
[14:14] <jdobrien> verterok: oh...i'
[14:14] <thisfred> sharified!
[14:14] <jdobrien> verterok: oh...i'm gonna break it!
[14:15] <jdobrien> bam!
[14:15] <jdobrien> ntegrityError at /files/shareoffer/93b3b6b1-1fb0-4b0e-91b1-b258e44f20e6/claim/
[14:15] <jdobrien> duplicate key value violates unique constraint "share_shared_to_key"
[14:15] <verterok> jdobrien: I knew!
[14:15] <jdobrien> that's dumb integrity error
[14:15] <jdobrien> or we should let the user edit the name
[14:16] <jdobrien> I could call it "Stupid dog pictures Josh shared with me"
[14:16] <jdobrien> hehe
[14:17] <verterok> jdobrien: we should check that before sending the share invitation, and popup for a name change, in this case: when thisfred tried to share with the same name
[14:17] <jdobrien> verterok: that's not possible
[14:17] <jdobrien> verterok: when you send it via email, you don't know which user will accept it
[14:18] <thisfred> ids and user entered names should probably not be mixed
[14:18] <verterok> jdobrien: you'r right...
[14:18] <jdobrien> verterok: but when accepting the share, it could say, This name is already used, enter a new name for this folder
[14:19] <dobey> yay, i guess i don't have to do anything
[14:19] <jdobrien> verterok: I kind of like the idea of letting the user edit the folder name
[14:19] <verterok> jdobrien: but the shared_to user can't change the name of the share...the share it's owned by the creator
[14:19] <jdobrien> dobey: nope...you can get back to real work :)
[14:19] <dobey> which is good, since i'm in the middle of a branch to merge the HTTP sharing code into syncdaemon
[14:19] <jdobrien> verterok: huh...the share name belongs to the shared_to
[14:20] <jdobrien> verterok: everything else is controlled by the shared_by
[14:20] <verterok> dobey: btw, you already know that it should use twisted http client or do the work in thread..right?
[14:20] <dobey> verterok: yes
[14:20] <verterok> great! :D
[14:21] <dobey> verterok: the code that was in the nautilus extension was in a thread anyway, to avoid blocking UI :)
[14:21] <verterok> dobey: :)
[14:21] <verterok> jdobrien: really? facundobatista should know better than me
[14:21] <jdobrien> verterok: i think it's more of a design decision
[14:21]  * facundobatista read
[14:21] <facundobatista> *reads
[14:22] <jdobrien> verterok: I would think users should have control over how their stuff is organized
[14:23] <jdobrien> verterok, facundobatista: we may want to think about a redesign on that at some point. giving the shared_to user more control
[14:23] <verterok> jdobrien: in the desktop side that's an issue, as syncdaemon don't allow share folder renaming
[14:23] <jdobrien> verterok: yes
[14:24] <verterok> dobey, all: I'm working on the share delete fix, should we remove the files when a share is deleted? if the share is RW the user might have local changes...
[14:24] <jdobrien> verterok: I think it's a design issue. we have this folder structure that the user doesn't have control over
[14:24] <facundobatista> verterok, I don't understand what exactly I shoud know better
[14:24] <verterok> facundobatista: if the name of the share is owned by the shared_to user
[14:25] <jdobrien> facundobatista: bug #389491
[14:25] <facundobatista> verterok, what is "the name of the share"?
[14:25] <dobey> verterok: i don't know. ask the design kids :)
[14:25] <verterok> facundobatista: the share name?
[14:25]  * verterok pokes "the design kids"
[14:26] <jblount> verterok: I would say moving it to the "My Files" side might be nice, but we don't have a way to tell the user this happened.
[14:26] <jblount> verterok: He meant #design on canonical's irc server
[14:26] <verterok> ubottu: poke the design kids!
[14:26] <verterok> ubottu: sorry about that :)
[14:26] <jdobrien> facundobatista: I think that empathy use case is perfect...I wonder who wrote it? :)
[14:27] <facundobatista> the share name so far is not "owned" by anybody
[14:27] <verterok> jblount: oh, ok. thanks!
[14:27] <jdobrien> facundobatista, verterok: well obviously we can't just change it willy nilly since the syncdaemon will have to know how to deal with it
[14:27] <facundobatista> verterok, jdobrien, the name is created by the person who creates the share, and we though that in the future the user who receives the share could change it
[14:28] <facundobatista> verterok, jdobrien, what is not clear yet is if the name change should be propagated back to the person who creates the share or not
[14:28] <verterok> facundobatista: good point
[14:28] <jdobrien> facundobatista: the person who created the share never sees it
[14:29] <facundobatista> jdobrien, verterok: I don't understand which is the problem with the "name"... is somebody using it as a key or something?
[14:29] <jblount> This name change thing seems like such a minor detail, is it important to worry about now?
[14:29] <jdobrien> facundobatista: it has nothing to do with the originally shared folder
[14:29] <jdobrien> jblount: it's not really minor
[14:29] <jdobrien> jblount: but, we're not doing a major change right now...so we can't worry about it in this context
[14:32] <facundobatista> jdobrien, verterok: which is the *problem* with the name? Why there's an exception somewhere?
[14:34] <jdobrien> facundobatista: there's the exception when someone shares something with you when someone gives you a share that has the same name as one of your existing shares
[14:34] <jdobrien> facundobatista: i think the lack of control of the organization of what is shared with you is another issue
[14:34] <jdobrien> facundobatista: but related
[14:34] <facundobatista> jdobrien, where's the exception?
[14:35] <jdobrien> facundobatista: when you accept the share
[14:35] <facundobatista> jdobrien, and yes, we have a lack of control in a lot of functionality
[14:35] <facundobatista> jdobrien, but *where* is it? it's a db problem? web problem?
[14:35] <jdobrien> facundobatista: lets dump that on the design kids
[14:35] <jdobrien> facundobatista: the db enforces the constraint
[14:36] <jdobrien> facundobatista: the web ui barfs
[14:38]  * dobey ponders this code a little bit more
[14:38] <jdobrien> sounds like something we can dump on the design kids too!
[14:41] <jblount> mattgriffin: I love it when you answer your own questions ;)
[14:42] <mattgriffin> hi beta testers. we have received a few questions about the age notice in the My Account area ("...have had an account for ..."). i added a LP Answer. please take a look at it and tell me if you think it is sufficient. https://answers.launchpad.net/ubunet/+question/74727 Thanks!
[14:42] <facundobatista> jdobrien, I don't remember why the DB does that... there should be a reason, that may be no longer valid
[14:42] <mattgriffin> jblount: hehe
[14:42] <jblount> mattgriffin: What say we just get rid of that text? We can reintroduce it for bragging rights later?
[14:42] <jdobrien> if there are duplicate share names, the web UI will break
[14:42] <jdobrien> facundobatista: ^^
[14:43] <mattgriffin> jblount: no objections here
[14:44] <Chipaca> good morning!
[14:44] <jblount> I'll slip it into this branch that updates the terms, I've got a few coming down that are long overdue.
[15:01] <dobey> lookin' in my gucci, it's about that time
[15:02] <jblount> Morning Hackers! If you are here for the Ubuntu One Desktop meeting, say me (format is Done, TODO, Blocked, etcetcetc)
[15:02] <jblount> me
[15:02] <rodrigo_> me
[15:02] <dobey> me
[15:03] <CardinalFang> me
[15:03] <jblount> CardinalFang, statik ?
[15:03] <jblount> DONE: FACE duty
[15:03] <jblount> TODO: Review day, hoping to squirrel away enough time to finish up a branch each to fix the terms of service and fix the buttons on the web ui to work more sanely
[15:03] <jblount> BLOCKED: Nope
[15:03] <jblount> rodrigo_: your turn !
[15:04] <rodrigo_> done: fixed CORBA issues on evo-couchdb, and had evo finally show the contacts from couchdb. Packaged newest upstream json-glib and couchdb-glib in my PPA
[15:04] <rodrigo_> todo: more evo-couchdb work and packages
[15:05] <rodrigo_> blocked: nothing, I won against CORBA :)
[15:05] <rodrigo_> dobey: your turn
[15:05] <dobey> DONE: Fixed client build system issues, started share creation api move to syncdaemon
[15:05] <dobey> TODO: finish moving share creation code to syncdaemon, review day
[15:05] <dobey> BLCK: None.
[15:05] <dobey> CardinalFang: nobody expects the spanish inquisition!
[15:05] <CardinalFang> DONE: Added tests for mailer replacement.  Fixed some existing tests.
[15:05] <CardinalFang> TODO: Transactions screw with test results; fixing those.  Commit something today.
[15:05] <CardinalFang> BLOCKED: Nope.
[15:05] <CardinalFang> ETCETC: Must look to see how to run individual or classes of tests, without star
[15:05] <CardinalFang> ting over.
[15:06] <CardinalFang> EOF
[15:06] <CardinalFang> jblount: that's all, yes?
[15:06]  * jblount 's hand reaches for the EOM button
[15:07] <dobey> statik: your roll
[15:08] <statik> I SUCK
[15:08] <statik> today i will be mostly panicking
[15:08] <jblount> (urbanape is out today, statik totally doesn't suck)
[15:08] <statik> last night the database caught on fire during the rollout
[15:09] <statik> it all got fixed
[15:09] <statik> and i'm still chasing package definitions for karmic
[15:09] <statik> EOF
[15:11] <statik> anyone left?
[15:11] <CardinalFang> Nope.
[15:11] <jblount> END OF MEETING
[15:11] <statik> thanks guys for starting the meeting even though i was mia
[15:11]  * statik cheers
[15:13] <CardinalFang> jblount: "MEET-NG BEGINS" so my IRC client notices.  statik makes me complacent.
[15:14] <jblount> CardinalFang: Noted, I couldn't page back to the last time statik did it because I was too chatty yesterday.
[15:27]  * dobey wonders where the wireless card resides in his laptop, if there is in fact, a "card" for it
[15:31] <pfibiger> dobey: you probably need a microscope to find it
[15:32] <jdobrien> statik: it's good that you've planned to panic
[15:33] <statik> jdobrien: some days you can just tell ahead of time, you know? ;)
[15:36] <jblount> DONTPANIC
[16:00] <dobey> ok, off to lunch. bbiab
[16:43]  * jblount notices that when the dog barks, my piano echoes. Sounds like a ghost.
[16:44] <teknico> jblount: it's probably not a digital piano, then ;-)
[16:47] <jblount> teknico: Nope, acoustic. It's from my wife's family, but sounds decent.
[17:04] <thisfred> wrapping up the sprint here, had a great and productive week
[17:27]  * jblount lunches
[18:11] <vadi2> Would there be a possibility of sharing with non-ubuntu one users (just via a link to anyone, not email invitation) in the future?
[18:16] <statik> in the future, yes
[18:16] <vadi2> thanks
[18:22] <harrydance> Hi all
[18:23] <harrydance> Is there any estimate on how long the queue is for an invitation?
[18:24] <jblount> harrydance: It's sort of longish now, and will get shorter soon :)
[18:24] <jblount> We're still working on making sure the service scales, and have a lot of people interested, so it's taking some time, but we're inviting new groups of people every day.
[18:24] <vadi2> I just got invited after a month and a week ;)
[18:25] <harrydance> Okay, thanks
[18:25] <harrydance> Itching to try this out :p
[18:42] <fallleaf> nicksetup
[18:47] <fallleaf> Had anyone already installed  Ubuntu ONe
[18:48] <jblount> fallleaf: A few people have. I have, for instance :)
[18:49] <fallleaf> How about this application? I think it is same as dropbox.
[18:49] <fallleaf> no better than dropbox
[18:51] <jblount> fallleaf: It has a lot of similarities to Dropbox right now, we're planning some other stuff in the near future (like super awesome contacts syncing, bringin CouchDB to the desktop as a API for all your applications, screen sharing, etc)
[18:53] <fallleaf> now I am using ubuntu one, but network speed is slow, one function I think can been added
[18:54] <fallleaf> when I move mouse to icon in the task bar, it only show "Ubuntu One:Working"
[18:54] <fallleaf> I think it's better show percentage of upload
[18:55] <jblount> fallleaf: Good thought! We're planning on putting what files the client is working on, and progress meters, and move all of that to the messaging indicator.
[18:59] <fallleaf> Yes.  Another is Why not like dropbox have some promotion action,
[19:02] <mattgriffin> fallleaf: interesting idea
[19:02] <fallleaf> so like me, will glad to introduce this application to others
[19:03] <fallleaf> only private invitation not enough
[19:03] <mattgriffin> fallleaf: how do you imagine this working? a taskbar option or control upload priority from nautilus?
[19:05] <fallleaf> now I use it only for backup files
[19:05] <fallleaf> It's safe  store on servers
[19:05] <fallleaf> I like show on taskbar
[19:06] <dobey> if it says "Working" then it's not uploading anything
[19:06] <dobey> if it's uploading or downloading, it should say "Synchronizing"
[19:07] <dobey> "Working" means it's doing a local rescan or a server rescan, generally
[19:07] <dobey> which can be slow, yes
[19:08] <dobey> there are some performance issues we're working on, and we hope to get them ironed out as soon as possible
[19:08] <fallleaf> I confused, if it say "Working", I think it is uploading or downloading
[19:09] <dobey> yes, "working" isn't a great description of what is going on
[19:10] <dobey> but i can't think of a better term for the general "we're busy doing things" states, that aren't actually synchronizing or such
[19:10] <fallleaf> and it say"working" about 2 hours since I copy some files inside
[19:10] <dobey> and the applet is going away soon anyway
[19:10] <dobey> fallleaf: then you've encountered a bug
[19:12] <fallleaf> oh. I think "working" can change to "connecting"
[19:12] <fallleaf> or "connected"
[19:13] <fallleaf> Look:"Get extra space free,You can get up to 3GB of extra space free just for inviting your friends to Dropbox."
[19:15] <dobey> if it's connected, it says "Idle" :)
[19:15] <dobey> yes, we know how dropbox referrals work :)
[19:18]  * jblount has talked with 3 people so far, and hasn't even gotten his RMA setup yet.
[19:19] <fallleaf> If ubuntuone disconnect from network, the icon is better to become grey,
[19:19] <fallleaf> icon marked "x", I think something wrong with my application
[19:19] <fallleaf> if it's connected, and no uploading and downloading ,it's better to says "connected" :)
[19:20] <dobey> it is the same as every other "offline" icon in gnome-icon-theme
[19:21] <dobey> errors use the error icon the (-) "do not enter" style icon
[19:21] <dobey> but again, the applet is going away
[19:21] <jcastro> dobey: do you have .90.2 debs anywhere?
[19:22] <dobey> jcastro: i uploaded 0.90.2 to REVU
[19:22] <dobey> jcastro: so hopefully they will be uploaded into karmic soon
[19:23] <jcastro> yeah I saw that, I asked dholbach to review them for you
[19:23] <jcastro> I was hoping to get debs beforehand.
[19:23] <dobey> oh, great. thanks
[19:23] <jcastro> I suppose I can build my own
[19:27] <dobey> meh, i guess i need to change the packages and re-upload to revu :-/
[19:27] <jcastro> welcome to peer review bud. :)
[19:28] <dobey> hi urbanape
[19:28] <urbanape> heya
[19:28] <jonathon> hello everyone
[19:28] <jblount> jonathon: hiya!
[19:29] <jonathon> does anyone else have a blank icon for ubuntu-client-applet?
[19:29] <jonathon> sorry, let me rephrase that
[19:29] <jcastro> jonathon: yeah, I get a little square
[19:29] <jonathon> does anyone else have a black icon in their system tray for ubuntu-client-applet, instead of the nice ubuntu logo?
[19:30] <jcastro> dobey: after that since it's binary NEW it'll go into another queue for the archive admins to look at it
[19:31] <jcastro> but that's not so bad
[19:31] <dobey> jcastro: yeah, not to mention that we keep debian/ in our bzr tree, so also need merge approval for it
[19:32] <jblount> jonathon: I think that gets fixed on logout / in
[19:32] <jblount> dobey: ^^ ?
[19:33] <dobey> no, it should work fine straight away.
[19:33] <jonathon> jblout: hmm, i've tried rebooting, purging and reinstalling, and rebooting, it all stays the same. the only clues i have are errors when i run from a terminal
[19:33] <dobey> i don't know why it would be broken though
[19:33] <dobey> what errors?
[19:33] <jonathon> e.g. AttributeError: 'AppletIcon' object has no attribute
[19:34] <dobey> pastebin please
[19:35] <jonathon> http://pastebin.com/m111c4b9e
[19:37] <jcastro> dobey: I get the exact same thing
[19:38] <dobey> what version?
[19:40] <jonathon> 0.90.2-0ubuntu1~r51-0 from dev; i had a problem on karmic which was fixed with a configglue update, but this broke instead. :D
[19:40] <jonathon> not dev, nightly
[19:40] <dobey> jcastro: with 0.90.2 for you too?
[19:41]  * jdobrien can only get an Edge connection...much slower that G3
[19:41] <jcastro> dobey: no I am using whatever is in the ppa
[19:42] <jcastro> .90.1
[19:42] <dobey> ok
[19:42] <dobey> jcastro: beta or nightlies ppa? nightlies has post-0.90.2 packages
[19:42] <jcastro> beta
[19:42] <jcastro> I can try on nightlies
[19:43] <dobey> huh
[19:43] <dobey> weird
[19:43] <dobey> file a bug and attach oauth-login.log please :)
[19:43] <dobey> it looks like there could probably be a traceback getting trapped and sent to the log instead
[19:44] <dobey> because the only way that error could happen, is if there's something really whacky going on, causing the AppletIcon __init__ to screw up in the middle somewhere
[19:44] <dobey> but somehow manage to not fail entirely
[19:46] <jonathon> forgive me, new to this. how and where?
[19:46] <dobey> jonathon: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-client/+filebug
[19:46] <jonathon> I have the launchpad page, just the best method and how to find the oath-login
[19:47] <dobey> jonathon: once you've filed the bug, it will show you a bug # on the resulting page, and you can run "apport-collect -p ubuntuone-client <that bug number>" in a terminal to have it attach the logs to that bug
[19:47] <jonathon> right
[19:47] <dobey> jonathon: and just paste the error you see in the terminal in the bug description
[19:48] <jonathon> i'll give it a shot. :)
[19:49] <jonathon> ah, just found oauth-login.log (good old locate)
[19:49] <jonathon> this would likely be it: GError: Icon 'ubuntuone-client-working' not present in theme
[19:51] <jonathon> is this it? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-client/+bug/371729
[19:52] <dobey> that could be it
[19:52] <dobey> but i highly doubt it if jcastro is seeing the same problem with the older package
[19:52] <jonathon> ok, i'll file a new bug
[19:53] <jcastro> I get it on the nightlies
[19:53] <dobey> actually, wtf.
[19:53] <jcastro> on 2 machines, trying a third
[19:53] <dobey> hrmm
[19:53] <dobey> jcastro: i think 2 is enough :)
[19:54] <jcastro> dobey: I wonder if it's the theme, because on the third one it appears fine
[19:55] <dobey> jcastro: no. the nightlies packages are broken
[19:56] <jcastro> yep, just noticed that
[19:57] <dobey> as are the packages currently in beta
[19:57]  * dobey gets out his stabbing knife
[20:01] <jcastro> jonathon: are you on karmic or jaunty?
[20:01] <jonathon> karmic
[20:01] <jcastro> ah, me too
[20:01] <jonathon> i've just done an apport thing to the bug i submitted
[20:01] <jcastro> jonathon: link?
[20:01] <jonathon> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-client/+bug/389627
[20:02]  * jcastro does the same
[20:02] <dobey> eh
[20:02] <dobey> the logs aren't needed
[20:02] <jcastro> ok
[20:02] <jcastro> should I triage and assign to you?
[20:03] <dobey> i guess
[20:04] <dobey> ok, the beta package looks like it's only broken on karmic
[20:04] <dobey> and the nightlies is broken on both
[20:05] <jcastro> jonathon: good catch!
[20:05] <jonathon> thanks :)
[20:05] <dobey> oh i see why
[20:05] <dobey> ** Message: Error: Inkscape encountered an internal error and will close now.
[20:05] <dobey> Segmentation fault
[20:05] <dobey> lovely :(
[20:06] <dobey> well that explains karmic failure
[20:07] <dobey> and nightlies failure
[20:33] <rmcbride> dobey: hmm so the package completed on the nightly ppa even though inkscape blew up?
[20:33]  * rmcbride admits to not having the log open while he asks that
[20:33] <dobey> rmcbride: and in the beta ppa
[20:34] <rmcbride> Hmm
[20:34] <dobey> rmcbride: even just running inkscape without any arguments, gives me an immediate crash on karmic
[20:34] <rmcbride> nice
[20:34] <dobey> is there a way to compare modification times of files?
[20:35] <statik> dobey: test -nt does it I think
[20:35] <dobey> without having to write perl/python/somethingonthatlevel that is
[20:35] <dobey> ah, so it does
[20:36] <dobey> now why did when i search for modification in "man test" it did not point me at that
[20:38] <dobey> today has been so not very productive at all
[20:46] <dobey> hrmm
[20:46] <dobey> why is it trying to generate the icons at that point anyway
[20:48] <dobey> rmcbride: blah. are we using bzr export for the nightlies tarballs?
[20:48] <rmcbride> dobey: no. Should we be?
[20:49] <dobey> rmcbride: how are the tarballs being built in nightlies then?
[20:49] <rmcbride> dobey: one sec
[20:49] <dobey> rmcbride: it looks like a bzr export to me revNN directory, and there's a .bzr subdirectory
[20:49] <dobey> but maybe that's not an export, so much as just tarring up the directory
[20:50] <rmcbride> dobey: pasted a path from my other machine (too lazy to type it here) I'm mainly just doing debuild -S (with my signing key in teh environ)
[20:52] <dobey> ok
[20:52] <rmcbride> I'm running autogen.sh for client beforehand
[20:52] <rmcbride> as of yesterday
[20:53] <rmcbride> if another method will work better I'll gladly switch.
[20:57] <dobey> hrmm, i guess we should get the versioning argument resolved first
[21:00] <dobey> i am so very close to just calling it a day
[21:46] <dobey> later all
[21:46] <BUGabundo> bye dobey
[21:47] <BUGabundo> and hi to everyone else