[01:12] <gorgut> lo folks. I'm trying to adjust some X settings via an SSH session. can someone tell me the correct syntax to declare a display (or maybe i need a screen declaration?) in the following command line: 'xrandr --output LVDS --off"
[01:13] <gorgut> I assume it's something similar to "xrandr -d 0 --output LVDS --off" but I can't seem to get it nailed down
[01:25] <TheSheep> gorgut: just export DISPLAY=:0
[01:26] <gorgut> TheSheep, then what is the correct syntax for the command line?
[01:28] <gorgut> TheSheep, also, should I run "export DISPLAY=:0" locally on the machine I'm adjusting, or through my remote session?
[01:32] <TheSheep> gorgut: you should run it in the same environment that the xrandr command
[01:37] <gorgut> TheSheep, sweet. Thanks, man
[02:27] <Raggs> hi all
[02:49] <focus> hows it going everyone, I was wondering what the difference between ubuntu and xubuntu as far as configuration, should I clean install xubuntu, or can install it from apt?
[02:53] <Raggs> focus as i understand it you can apt-get it
[02:54] <focus> awesome, thanks.
[02:54] <Raggs> apt-get install xubuntu-desktop i believe
[02:55] <knome> Raggs is right.
[02:55] <knome> !info xubuntu-desktop
[02:55] <Raggs> knome, it happens
[02:56] <knome> it will install all the necessary packages
[02:56] <knome> ;)
[02:56] <focus> cool, thanks.
[02:56] <knome> focus, if you want to erase all gnome packages at some point...
[02:56] <knome> !purexfce
[03:00] <Raggs> knome how long have you been running xubuntu?
[03:01] <knome> exactly two years the day after tomorrow.
[03:01] <Raggs> sweet
[03:01] <knome> but been running ubuntu for ages and xfce under it also earlier than 2 years ago
[03:01] <Raggs> you are an old hand then
[03:02] <sirtoast> Hi folks, this the appropriate channel for some xubuntu assistance?
[03:02] <knome> sirtoast, absolutely the best irc channel in the world.
[03:02] <knome> Raggs, quite ;)
[03:02] <sirtoast> awesome, bear with me, i haven't used ircII since approx 1993
[03:02] <knome> no problem
[03:03] <sirtoast> I just did a system update on my xubuntu install, and when I log onto the Xfce desktop, i'm just getting a light blue background, it's not loading the desktop
[03:03] <knome> right...
[03:04] <knome> try moving ~/.cache to ~/.cache_backup
[03:06] <sirtoast> testing now
[03:06] <sirtoast> this truly is the best irc channel in the world:)
[03:06] <Raggs> sirtoast, one of ;)
[03:07] <knome> in the best three ;)
[03:07] <Raggs> yes i am
[03:07] <sirtoast> is there something I missed in the system upgrade that caused this, or is it just one of those things that I should keep in mind when upgrading the system files?
[03:08] <knome> it's something that can happen when upgrading - or even without an upgrade sometimes.
[03:08] <knome> did it work?
[03:08] <sirtoast> it sure did
[03:08] <knome> okay. good to hear.
[03:14] <sirtoast> thanks again for the help knome!  I'll keep pimping xubuntu at work
[03:14] <knome> right :)
[03:14] <knome> sounds good
[03:14] <sirtoast> may pop back in for more social stuff rather than just pop in for free support:)
[03:15] <Raggs> knome, of the buntus X is my favorite
[03:16] <knome> Raggs, that's good to hear as well :)
[03:16] <knome> we have done quite a work to set it up
[03:17] <knome> (a secret: karmic will be even better)
[03:19] <Raggs> i am not using Xubuntu atm
[03:20] <knome> what really matters is that people are using a non-propietary os ;)
[03:21] <Raggs> Debian here
[03:21] <knome> debian is a really good distribution for servers
[03:21] <Raggs> its a really good desktop as well
[03:22] <knome> never used it as a desktop since... 2000 i think
[03:22] <knome> eh, i think that was red hat and not debian
[03:22] <Raggs> its a little better now
[03:22] <knome> well, anyway ;)
[03:22] <knome> the desktops sucked back then anyway
[03:22] <Raggs> i run testing anyhow
[03:25] <knome> testing is not bad either.
[03:26] <Raggs> i like it
[03:27] <knome> i don't mind risking some operability of my production machine, but karmic alpha is a bit too experimental :)
[03:28] <Raggs> well i hope it goes well
[03:28] <knome> it will go well, but it's still a long time to release
[03:30] <Raggs> i should go to bed, but i am not yet
[03:31] <Raggs> have to get up early
[03:31] <knome> hah, if i'd had to get up early, i would be in problems. it's already 5:30 am. ;)
[03:33] <Raggs> lol, 10:33 PM here
[06:19] <tuv0k> Is there a xubuntu pulseaudio guide. Fresh install on a 754 chipset with onboard sound. I have no sound.
[06:50] <knome> tuv0k, try uninstalling pulseaudio? ;>
[09:18] <immo> REGISTER <pustefix13> <immo.weller@gmail.com>
[09:18] <SiDi> hm :)
[09:19] <SiDi>  /msg chanserv register pustefix13 (or another password now :p) immo.weller@gmail.com
[09:19] <immo> wrong?
[09:19] <SiDi> i hope for you its not your gmail account password
[09:19] <immo> checking...
[09:23] <immo> its not
[10:38] <premorphos> hey is there somebody pro on bluetooth solutions online?
[10:38] <marcPV> hi there
[10:40] <marcPV> anyone please, i deleted an user but i dont know how to delete his directories
[10:42] <premorphos> i need a good working solution on how to brows file system on cell phones... ex bacing up contacts, other files and so on...
[10:42] <premorphos> any one have a clue..
[10:43] <premorphos> have tried gammu wammu and xgnokii and they arent working
[10:44] <premorphos> marcPV: have you tried as Root
[10:45] <marcPV> sorry im little rookie here, tell me how pls
[10:50] <premorphos> open terminal... go to the location of the subfolder and type sudo and give the delete comand and enter and root passwrd
[10:51] <marcPV> thanks, let me try
[10:53] <marcPV> sorry, whats the delete command for a folder?
[10:54] <premorphos> rm -r  but be cereful
[10:55] <premorphos> ex rm -r foldername
[10:56] <marcPV> "sudo rm r yag-kosha" is ok? i want to delete a folder inside "home" from an user that i deleted
[10:56] <premorphos> no: sudo rm -r yag-kosha
[10:57] <premorphos> but you need to move to home
[10:57] <premorphos> home is not same as root
[10:58] <SiDi> marcPV: sudo rm -rf /home/username (be careful this will delete everything forever)
[10:59] <marcPV> ok, i go to folder home, open terminal there (/home) and type that?
[10:59] <SiDi> premorphos: for your bluetooth problem
[10:59] <marcPV> rm f or rm -rf?
[10:59] <SiDi> marcPV: you can type it from anywhere
[10:59] <SiDi> rm -rf
[10:59] <marcPV> ok, thanks, let me try
[11:00] <SiDi> which stands for "remove recursively and force deletion"
[11:01] <marcPV> (hey, it works, thanks SiDi and premorphos for the support)
[11:01] <premorphos> no prob... "my first help case".... im so proud...
[11:01] <premorphos> im all ears sidi
[11:02] <SiDi> premorphos: i dont know in xfce but with gnome-bluez i used to can mount my bluetooth phone's folders and then browse them
[11:02] <SiDi> as far as i recall
[11:02] <SiDi> premorphos: at worse you can google translate this page : http://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/bluetooth
[11:02] <SiDi> it explains some methods for sending and receiving data
[11:02] <SiDi> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bluetooth/Docs
[11:03] <SiDi> marcPV: you're welcome
[11:11] <premorphos> il look at it... tnx
[13:26] <pandi2456> hi
[13:27] <gabkdlly> hi
[13:30] <pandi2456> so quite in here :D
[13:30] <pandi2456> ello gab
[13:43] <pandi2456> very confuse what is the basic different between ubuntu and xubuntu beside the layout ?
[13:52] <SiDi> its not exactly the layout. it's a different desktop environment.
[13:52] <SiDi> Ours is lighter and faster, but it has less features
[13:55] <pandi2456> uhmm... features like open office ? or other apps?
[13:56] <SiDi> you can get any ubuntu app in xubuntu
[13:57] <tuv0k> pandi2456, pulseaudio is broken in xubuntu, but that is all
[13:58] <tuv0k> I should have just installed ubuntu from alt cd THEN installed xbuntu-desktop
[14:03] <slow-motion> hi
[14:08] <SiDi> tuv0k: or install xubuntu from xubuntu's alt cd
[14:10] <Ben_Cs> is there offtopic xubuntu chan?
[14:14] <SiDi>  #xubuntu-offtopic
[14:14] <SiDi> but its empty
[14:14] <pandi2456> yeah
[14:21] <Ben_Cs> so i'll ask a short question here
[14:22] <Ben_Cs> do you use simultaneously python and perl? or only one of them. which one?
[14:30] <Ben_Cs> ?
[14:44] <premorphos> what can be wrong if i cant find my blue dongle with lsusb
[14:45] <premorphos> i wuled kill to be able to brows my phones on my system
[14:46] <premorphos> way is this so tricky
[15:03] <pandi2456> where is xubuntu place the temporary files ?
[15:24] <tuv0k> so there is NO xubuntu pulseaudio wiki? or Fix?
[15:25] <charlie-tca> xubuntu does not use pulseaudio by default
[15:25] <tuv0k> hence my question
[15:25] <charlie-tca> no, there is not, since it does not use it
[15:26] <tuv0k> and does not provide an option for those that do. WHY is there even a xubuntu when ubuntu  with xubuntu-desktop is not broken or depreciated?
[15:26] <charlie-tca> It is a Ubuntu component, so you could use any Ubuntu pulseaudio help
[15:27] <charlie-tca> If there was no Xubuntu, there would be no xubuntu-desktop
[15:27] <tuv0k> lol, riiiight
[15:35] <erik__> hi all
[15:35] <erik__> i have a quick question
[15:37] <charlie-tca> !question | erik__
[15:37] <premorphos> ok what is your q?
[15:48] <Kangarooo> Hello from Latvia.. I Found one maybe big problem.. at leas for me.. :) I have Xubuntu and I allways liked save session on shutdown (yes Im shutting down computer) and I also like dropbox but its as I found only available if also installed nautilus but it won't take over.. ok but I some times started nautilus also and now my session is dirty- allways starting with nautilus as desktop manager.. how can I reset session or delete it? Applications -> Sett
[15:49] <cody-somerville> You can delete .cache/session directory from your home directory to reset your session
[15:51] <Kangarooo> whole folder or files in it? /home/kangarooo/.cache/sessions
[15:54] <charlie-tca> whole folder, Kangarooo
[15:54] <Kangarooo> in windows if I would delete folder then programm would ask in witch then save..
[15:54] <Kangarooo> ah ok :)
[15:54] <Kangarooo> thanks :)
[15:54] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[16:07] <premorphos> if i cant see a usb dongle in lsusb.... is there any way to fix this or shall i go shopping
[16:15] <TheSheep> premorphos: check the cable, also look at dmesg
[16:40] <premorphos> thesheep: tnx 4 your reply
[16:43] <premorphos> sweet there it was... but what is dmesg?...
[16:50] <premorphos> if i se my bluetooth dongle in dmesg... can i mount it so that i see it in my file system every time i pair a device?
[16:58] <TheSheep> premorphos: bluetooth is not a disk
[16:58] <TheSheep> premorphos: you can't see it in your filesystem
[16:59] <TheSheep> premorphos: you see it as a network device
[17:08] <lvr> how do i get transmission, rhytmbox and such icons back to the toolbar in xubuntu? i removed them by accident and don't know how to reverse it
[17:11] <SiDi> do you mean the menu ?
[17:11] <SiDi> or launchers in your panel ?
[17:11] <slow-motion> right click on the bar "add new items" > "starter"
[17:12] <TheSheep> I think he means system tray
[17:12] <SiDi> oh
[17:12] <TheSheep> it's called 'Notification area'
[17:12] <SiDi> you removed the notification area off your panel, lvr ?
[17:13] <lvr> SiDi is that what its called? i guess, then
[17:13] <lvr> okay thanks got it back
[17:16] <SiDi> np
[17:38] <Araneidae> Is there any way I can stop xfce from saving my workspace?
[17:39] <Araneidae> I know I can turn it off ... but it keeps turning itself back on again!  Grrr
[17:39] <SiDi> remove .cache/sessions
[17:39] <Araneidae> In fact: "Automatically save session on logout" isn't set!  Yet it just restored something...
[17:40] <Araneidae> Thanks SiDi
[17:40] <SiDi> it stops saving sessions
[17:40] <SiDi> but it still restores the last saved one
[17:40] <Araneidae> Hmm
[17:40] <SiDi> badly designed feature, imo :p
[17:40] <Araneidae> Where is the saved session saved?
[17:40] <SiDi> its in ~/.cache/sessions normally
[17:41] <Araneidae> Well, duly deleted ... we'll see what happens
[17:41] <Araneidae> I dug a little deeper into my missing RAM
[17:41] <Araneidae> I think I might need to try a PAE kernel!
[17:43] <spaztik1> hey guys, anyone know why the 3 finger salute wouldn't work to restart GDM?
[17:43] <Araneidae> Hasn't that been turned off in recent *buntu updates?
[17:43] <charlie-tca> Turned off in 9.04
[17:43] <Araneidae> Think you need to add Option "DontZap" "false" to xorg.conf
[17:43] <spaztik1> seriously?
[17:43] <Araneidae> afraid so!
[17:44] <Araneidae> Designed to protect the ... uh ... less able
[17:44] <spaztik1> bah, so i guess i should find a thread that is already bitching about this
[17:44] <spaztik1> well, how would one re-enable it
[17:44] <spaztik1> i'm assuming in the /etc/X11 files somewhere
[17:44] <Araneidae> Just add the line 'Option "DontZap" "false"' to Section "ServerFlags"
[17:44] <sml12261> Can I run a 64 bit VM in a 32 bit OS? I do have a 64 bit CPU
[17:45] <Araneidae> Can't imagine why not.
[17:45] <charlie-tca> sml12261: don't believe it will work
[17:45] <charlie-tca> It depends on the actual kernel you are using. If you installed a 32 bit kernel, it won't run 64bit kernel
[17:46] <spaztik1> sml12261, not sure, but one would presume if the vm cpu was 64 bit it might emu the arch? not sure if that falls back on the host cpu or not
[17:46] <spaztik1> Araneidae, is that to me? the DontZap?
[17:46] <Araneidae> Sure
[17:46] <Araneidae> The DontZap refers to C-A-Backspace
[17:46] <spaztik1> lol that's a funny config param
[17:47] <Araneidae> sure, it's pretty odd.
[17:47] <charlie-tca> spaztik1: see the release notes here: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/904#Ctrl-Alt-Backspace%20disabled%20by%20default%20in%20Xorg
[17:47] <Araneidae> It's in xorg.conf(5)
[17:47] <sml12261> I was planning on putting Virtual box on my 64bit Ubuntu and my 32 bit Vista so wanted to be able to move between the two. Think it would work?
[17:48] <spaztik1> so it's not an ubuntu thing, but rather an xorg preference?
[17:48] <spaztik1> or did the ubuntu guys change some xorg things?
[17:48] <Araneidae> Suspect it might be an Ubuntu build preference, don't know though
[17:49] <spaztik1> well actually it makes sense that it's been in xorg for a while actually... i guess most distros just have it compiled with it enabled
[17:55] <sml12261> Why can't I get my normal nick?? It's annoying
[17:56] <charlie-tca> did you register it?
[17:56] <sml12261> Nope
[17:57] <charlie-tca> That is probably why then. Anyone else can use it
[17:57] <sml12261> nobody else is using it though so unless somebody registered it I don't get it
[17:58] <charlie-tca> If someone else registered it, it is no longer available to you
[17:58] <sml12261> Well I doubt its registeredbecause this has happened before and the next time I get on I have my old one back
[17:59] <sml12261> Need to try to register to be sure
[18:10] <sml12261> I looked and found my regular nick and it says its me??? I'm only on 1 pc so not sure why this is happening.
[18:11] <firecrotch> How can I stop xfwm4 without it restarting itself?  I need to do this as a regular user, without using sudo.  If I just kill xfwm4 it restarts itself
[18:12] <sml12261> Why do you need to do that?
[18:13] <TheSheep> firecrotch: you can start a different window manager with --replace option
[18:13] <firecrotch> TheSheep: I need there to be no window manager
[18:13] <TheSheep> that's precisely what xubuntu avoids
[18:14] <TheSheep> you can probably uninstall xfwm4
[18:14] <sml12261> Go to services (i think thats where it is) xfwm4 is in there I think. Tell it to end it and that may work. Not in Xubuntu now so forget exactly how
[18:17] <firecrotch> Thanks guys for pointing me in the right direction - I found a setting that allows me to tell it to not restart when it's killed
[18:17] <sml12261> Where I can't remember if what Isaid was even close to right
[18:17] <sml12261> ?
[18:20] <firecrotch> Applications -> Settings -> Sessions and Startup -> Session tab
[18:21] <sml12261> That is what I was thinking of just not remembering what it was. Thanks for letting me know.
[18:32] <forces> saluton
[19:07] <spaztik1> firecrotch, you need to have a different startup script
[19:07] <spaztik1> like in your .xinitrc you can just start whatever you want
[20:55] <davebot> Hello
[20:56] <davebot> Can anyone help me? I am having an issue with my GUI.
[20:57] <davebot> Basically, my tool bars that are normally at the top and bottom of my screen have disappeared and I was wondering how I could get them back.
[20:58] <TheSheep> davebot: press alt+f2 and type 'xfce4-panel'
[20:58] <davebot> ah, thanks
[21:45] <gsa1> Hi
[21:46] <gsa1> A little question, after some reboot I lost the automatic starting of panels and so, each time I reboot I need to execute Alt+2 and xfce4-panel
[21:46] <gsa1> This is a know problem? Have some solution?
[21:52] <TheSheep> gsa1: press alt+f2 and type 'xfce4-panel'
[21:54] <SiDi> gsa1, what GPU do you have ?
[21:54] <SiDi> did the reboot include the latest kernel upgrade ? Do you know if you have proprietary drivers for this kernel ,
[21:54] <SiDi> Also, you can just add "xfce4-panel" in a file named .initrc, that'll do for now
[22:33] <TheSheep> SiDi: I think it stays when you run it
[22:34] <SiDi> not with a bug linked to mesa drivers
[22:34] <SiDi> which breaks xfce4-session's launch
[22:38] <TheSheep> uh