| djsiegel1 | As far as I know, we don't have any Canonical devs assigned to this | 00:01 |
|---|---|---|
| djsiegel1 | not explicitly | 00:01 |
| djsiegel1 | I am driving DUX team involvement, and community participation | 00:01 |
| seele | ok, in that case i really dont think we could do 30 bugs in 12 weeks.. i was thinking more like 10-15 which is a small enough number to count towards the 100 without taking too big of a chunk out of ubuntu | 00:02 |
| djsiegel1 | hmm | 00:03 |
| seele | i can think of 2, maybe 3 people i could get to work on patches, and possibly some upstream participation | 00:03 |
| djsiegel1 | I just don't want to say "Ubuntu fixed 10 paper cuts, Kubuntu fixed 1", I feel that will not look fair. | 00:04 |
| dtchen | i don't think perception here is necessarily a fair metric, so i would just ignore that | 00:04 |
| seele | i dunno.. i think have a spin off project would look worse, but that's just my own perception of how it would be interpreted | 00:04 |
| djsiegel1 | We are going to drive these weekly milestones, and if we show 9 Ubuntu bugs and 1 Kubuntu bug, would that make the Kubuntu community feel good about it, or bad? | 00:04 |
| seele | the fact there are kubuntu bugs at all i think is good | 00:05 |
| seele | it would be something people dont expect | 00:05 |
| djsiegel1 | well, I agree, all bug fixes are good | 00:05 |
| djsiegel1 | I am just afraid splitting the 100 sounds good, but might not actually make people happy then they see the results | 00:05 |
| djsiegel1 | when they* | 00:05 |
| djsiegel1 | I am getting too tired to think or type straight. | 00:06 |
| dtchen | i'm with seele on it; seeing kubuntu bits is a great start | 00:06 |
| seele | yeah, i dunno. i'm thinking positively. kubuntu is hardly ever mentioned when it comes to ubuntu PR. that's why i think any kubuntu participation in the official project will be seen as good | 00:06 |
| djsiegel1 | ok, so, let's plan this for now | 00:07 |
| djsiegel1 | seele: will you confirm a kubuntu papercut in hundredpapercuts that I can add to next week's milestone? | 00:07 |
| seele | djsiegel1: ok | 00:08 |
| djsiegel1 | We will try to deliver 10 Ubuntu paper cuts and 1 Kubuntu paper cut for Friday, and we can see what next week teaches us about our capacity. | 00:08 |
| seele | do i have to be part of the hundredpapercuts project to confirm a bug to it? | 00:08 |
| djsiegel1 | no | 00:08 |
| seele | ok | 00:09 |
| djsiegel1 | The kubuntu paper cut will be part of the milestone, so it will be celebrated along with all of the others, discussed in all the blogs, etc. | 00:09 |
| seele | djsiegel1: ok cool | 00:10 |
| djsiegel1 | Each week, we can try to plan 1 or 2 kubuntu bugs for the milestone after the next | 00:10 |
| djsiegel1 | so each week we have kubuntu paper cuts to celebrate | 00:10 |
| djsiegel1 | and at the end, if all goes perfectly, we will have 100 ubuntu + 10 or more kubuntu paper cuts | 00:11 |
| seele | ok sounds good. i guess the question left is do i talk about it as the same 100 papercuts project or the kubuntu papercuts projec? | 00:11 |
| seele | it seems like there were some questions about that on my blog | 00:11 |
| djsiegel1 | it's all the same project | 00:11 |
| djsiegel1 | hundredpapercuts | 00:11 |
| seele | ok | 00:11 |
| djsiegel1 | but kubuntu bugs should be tagged in launchpad | 00:11 |
| djsiegel1 | so now it's 100+ paper cuts | 00:12 |
| seele | well, were you really giong to stop if ubuntu hit 100 by itself? | 00:13 |
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| djsiegel1 | no, we have other work to do! :) | 00:13 |
| djsiegel1 | We are planning 10 each week at this point | 00:13 |
| djsiegel1 | when we get to 100, by all means we can continue working | 00:13 |
| seele | ok. | 00:14 |
| djsiegel1 | but at the end I want a changelog with 100 ubuntu paper cuts | 00:14 |
| djsiegel1 | and the kubuntu papercuts | 00:14 |
| djsiegel1 | not 107 ubuntu paper cuts :) | 00:14 |
| djsiegel1 | who knows, we might not even be able to deliver 40 | 00:15 |
| seele | hehe, then i'll be sure kubuntu eats the remaining 60 ;) | 00:16 |
| djsiegel1 | sounds great | 00:16 |
| seaLne | do the papercuts include network manager? | 00:16 |
| seele | seaLne: network manager requires major surgery, not a bandaid ;) | 00:16 |
| djsiegel1 | seaLne: if the fixes are trivial, yes | 00:16 |
| seele | network manager is like, a sliced off finger you need to use leeches on | 00:16 |
| seaLne | really not looking forward to going to gran canaria with no working wireless | 00:17 |
| djsiegel1 | for example, one of this week's bugs is replacing the string "auto eth0" | 00:17 |
| seaLne | ah | 00:17 |
| djsiegel1 | ah, actually getting your wifi working is not a paper cut :) | 00:17 |
| seaLne | the problem is network manager not my actuall wifi | 00:17 |
| seaLne | even with wired connection it still continually pretends its trying to connect on wlan0 | 00:18 |
| djsiegel1 | seaLne: yeah, big usability issue, but too big to be a paper cut -- I think that issue has already been filed in hundredpapercuts | 00:19 |
| seaLne | but on the vague bonus side in karmic i can use the video software i need for doing gcds | 00:19 |
| djsiegel1 | seaLne: I experience it every morning | 00:19 |
| seaLne | sorry just back from the pub so extra bitchy | 00:20 |
| djsiegel1 | seele: I think I failed to make something clear -- Ubuntu *will* stop counting paper cuts for Karmic at 100. Our process just doesn't account for it. 10 milestones X 10 bugs = 100 at the end. Additional fixed paper cuts can land, but will not compose "The 100" | 00:21 |
| seele | djsiegel1: ok | 00:22 |
| rickspencer3 | I'm back | 00:22 |
| rickspencer3 | did you guys sort it? | 00:22 |
| djsiegel1 | yeah, I think so | 00:22 |
| rickspencer3 | please don't make me read back | 00:22 |
| rickspencer3 | :) | 00:22 |
| seele | djsiegel1: so if you don't hit your target kubuntu counts towards the total? | 00:22 |
| djsiegel1 | yes, kubuntu could save ubuntu for the even 100 :) | 00:23 |
| djsiegel1 | I don't see why not. | 00:23 |
| * rickspencer3 thinks djsiegel1 <3 the number 100 | 00:23 | |
| djsiegel1 | Unless we get 99... | 00:23 |
| djsiegel1 | hehe | 00:23 |
| seele | yeah, then 1 kubuntu papercut will look weird | 00:23 |
| djsiegel1 | we will be better able to answer those questions in a few weeks | 00:24 |
| rickspencer3 | seele: what was decided? | 00:26 |
| seele | rickspencer3: 1 paperkut per week, gets talked about in the summary tallies, will be listed in the changelog, but wont count towards the official tally unless ubuntu can't hit the target | 00:27 |
| rickspencer3 | ok | 00:28 |
| rickspencer3 | so this whole "has to be exactly 100" thing is pretty important to djsiegel1 I take it | 00:28 |
| djsiegel1 | rickspencer3: we've just already mentioned that number so many times | 00:29 |
| djsiegel1 | I feel like it's on my head if we don't do 100 | 00:29 |
| rickspencer3 | okay | 00:29 |
| rickspencer3 | I still think 100 is a concept, not a number in this context | 00:29 |
| seele | rickspencer3: the press wont see it as a concept ;) | 00:29 |
| rickspencer3 | but, I guess my necks not on the line :) | 00:29 |
| djsiegel1 | right | 00:29 |
| rickspencer3 | hmm | 00:30 |
| djsiegel1 | everyone has already taken it as promised | 00:30 |
| rickspencer3 | I guess the press doesn't concern me much | 00:30 |
| djsiegel1 | "Ubuntu commits to fix 100 usability bugs" | 00:30 |
| rickspencer3 | the users and the contributors do though | 00:30 |
| djsiegel1 | if it's < 100, it looks bad | 00:30 |
| rickspencer3 | right, but if it's 104, that's not bad, is it? | 00:30 |
| djsiegel1 | no, not at all | 00:30 |
| rickspencer3 | or even 120? | 00:30 |
| djsiegel1 | that's great too | 00:31 |
| seele | it only looks bad if it is < 100 :) | 00:31 |
| rickspencer3 | than I'm a tad confused by the "don't count the Kubuntu ones unless... " piece | 00:31 |
| djsiegel1 | so, there's little marginal benefit to going past 100 | 00:31 |
| djsiegel1 | 100 is magic | 00:31 |
| djsiegel1 | even going to 120 | 00:31 |
| djsiegel1 | it's not 20% better | 00:31 |
| djsiegel1 | we can actually *fix* 120 for karmic | 00:31 |
| rickspencer3 | it seems like if the concern is hitting 100, we would want to count all the ones that we can | 00:31 |
| djsiegel1 | but we should still point at 100 fixed | 00:31 |
| djsiegel1 | when we list them | 00:31 |
| djsiegel1 | and call it One Hundred | 00:32 |
| rickspencer3 | well ... it's not important for me to understand | 00:32 |
| djsiegel1 | haha | 00:32 |
| rickspencer3 | I'm just glad you guys have a plan you are happy with | 00:32 |
| djsiegel1 | when we say we will fix 100, delivering 80 looks like we failed to get them all, and delivering 120 looks like we underestimated ourselves and didn't plan right | 00:33 |
| seele | keep in mind, it isn't just 100 bugs | 00:34 |
| seele | they are 100 usability-related bugs | 00:34 |
| seele | identifying that many real usability bugs that are also small enough to count as a papercut will be hard | 00:34 |
| rickspencer3 | I really don't think over shooting by 20 will have any negative conotations | 00:34 |
| seele | i dont either, but 100 still sounds like a lot, especially compared to how many "usability" bugs have been fixed in the past | 00:35 |
| ivanka | hello - it's so past my bedtime I thought I would stay out of this but I agree with seele | 00:35 |
| rickspencer3 | hi ivanka | 00:36 |
| * rickspencer3 hands ivanka a cup of coffee | 00:36 | |
| * seele waves to ivanka | 00:36 | |
| ivanka | 100 usability bugs and 100 usability solutions is not going to terribly simple | 00:36 |
| rickspencer3 | agreed | 00:36 |
| * ivanka waves back and spills the coffee | 00:36 | |
| rickspencer3 | I was hoping to see like 40 fixed | 00:36 |
| rickspencer3 | out of all the ones nominated | 00:36 |
| seele | i think a lot of the usability bugs identified probably wont end up as papercuts. small problems do not mean small solutions | 00:37 |
| ivanka | however, I also agree with djsiegel1 that it is way to early to aim for anything less than 100 | 00:37 |
| rickspencer3 | right, so let's just throw the Kubuntu ones into the mix and push hard on the total number | 00:37 |
| ivanka | small solutions might have been a better aim :) | 00:37 |
| ivanka | but it wouldn't have been so exciting | 00:38 |
| djsiegel1 | no, you've all got it backwards | 00:38 |
| rickspencer3 | what's backwards? | 00:38 |
| djsiegel1 | the solutions are small, the problems are big | 00:39 |
| rickspencer3 | hehe | 00:39 |
| djsiegel1 | the idea paper cut causes infinite pain and costs zero to fix | 00:39 |
| djsiegel1 | ideal* | 00:39 |
| ivanka | yes | 00:39 |
| ivanka | but | 00:39 |
| ivanka | short of bringing down a big usability hammer and saying 'make it like this' | 00:40 |
| seele | i think of papercuts as fleas on a dog | 00:40 |
| seele | one isn't that bad, but a bunch of them are annoying | 00:40 |
| ivanka | some of these things have implications on other things | 00:40 |
| djsiegel1 | I think of them as drops of acid on my eyeball | 00:40 |
| djsiegel1 | haha | 00:40 |
| ivanka | ouch! | 00:40 |
| seele | ivanka: exactly | 00:40 |
| djsiegel1 | yes, we discovered today that 1 of the ten for next week was not easy enough to fix | 00:41 |
| ivanka | one taxonomy change and suddenly the whole menu is weird | 00:41 |
| seele | djsiegel1: does that mean you will replace it or just take longer to fix a papercut? | 00:41 |
| djsiegel1 | replaced it | 00:41 |
| djsiegel1 | it means we were wrong about it being a paper cut | 00:41 |
| djsiegel1 | it was "Move to Trash" in the context menu of a file on a disk you are about to burn | 00:41 |
| ivanka | blimey! that not a papercut? | 00:42 |
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| djsiegel1 | changing that to "Remove from Disc" or something turned out not to be feasible | 00:42 |
| seele | ivanka: or moving one button and disrupting the workflow of a task | 00:42 |
| djsiegel1 | the codebase doesn't differentiate between moving a file to trash and removing a file from a disc you are burning | 00:42 |
| seele | ew | 00:42 |
| djsiegel1 | I didn't verify, but someone checked upstream | 00:42 |
| djsiegel1 | besides, the package (nautilus-cd-burner) is deprecated | 00:43 |
| seele | yeah, there have been a few weird things like that in kde, where we could fix something seemingly minor because of the technology | 00:43 |
| djsiegel1 | no biggie | 00:43 |
| ivanka | pragmatic papercuts | 00:43 |
| ivanka | I like | 00:43 |
| djsiegel1 | ok, this guy's got a date | 00:44 |
| djsiegel1 | time to go | 00:44 |
| djsiegel1 | have a nice weekend, all | 00:45 |
| ivanka | have fun! | 00:45 |
| ivanka | byeeeeee | 00:45 |
| rickspencer3 | bye! | 00:45 |
| seele | anyone have a link to the proposed kubuntu start logo? | 00:48 |
| lex79 | this? http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Kubuntu+start+button?content=92234 | 01:02 |
| seele | lex79: yep, thanks | 01:09 |
| lex79 | ;) | 01:09 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: ping | 01:14 |
| apachelogger | lex79: anything to revu? | 01:14 |
| JontheEchidna | apachelogger: pong | 01:14 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: what to talk about in my ruby talk for KTD? | 01:15 |
| JontheEchidna | make a plasmoid? | 01:15 |
| apachelogger | nah :P | 01:16 |
| lex79 | apachelogger: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/fotowall | 01:16 |
| lex79 | the problem is: 5) All the 3rdparty components are slightly modified for Fotowall. | 01:16 |
| apachelogger | lex79: so? upstream shall push changes upstream :P | 01:17 |
| apachelogger | if upstream does modifications upstream's upstream would not be interested, upstream should not do them :P | 01:18 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna, Riddell: ruby intro + kde ruby hello + a quick look at some ruby magic (i.e. ninja scripts and amarok's release script) should be enough to fill a session | 01:19 |
| lex79 | apachelogger: so, what should I do? I can't debundle the 3rdparty components | 01:20 |
| apachelogger | I am somewhat uninteressted in tutoring the creation of a plasmoid, since most of the effort is really backend stuff that is kinda not fancy at all :D | 01:20 |
| apachelogger | lex79: poke upstream again | 01:20 |
| lex79 | uff :( | 01:21 |
| apachelogger | if he promises to get rid of it we probably can upload and hope he keeps that promise ;-) | 01:21 |
| seele | anyone else have two batteries and have problems with the widget icon displaying properly? | 01:21 |
| apachelogger | also, it might make sense to mention that in a packagers readme | 01:21 |
| JontheEchidna | seele: like in bug 380251? | 01:22 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 380251 in kdeplasma-addons "KDE4 battery monitor's icon gets screwed up with 2 batteries" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/380251 | 01:22 |
| seele | JontheEchidna: yep thanks! | 01:22 |
| JontheEchidna | maybe bug 368680 too | 01:22 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 368680 in kdeplasma-addons "battery monitor widget shows wrong displaced battery symbols when two batteries are used" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/368680 | 01:22 |
| * seele wonders if that is too hard to fix as a papercut | 01:22 | |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: what to do with bug 381599 | 01:22 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 381599 in koffice2 "kword fails to start" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/381599 | 01:22 |
| JontheEchidna | apachelogger: close our eyes and hope it goes away? :P | 01:22 |
| apachelogger | aint no good :P | 01:23 |
| apachelogger | you know | 01:23 |
| apachelogger | either all other distros do not deploy koffice 2 or a debian patch screws it up | 01:23 |
| apachelogger | cause google only lists search results for debian and ubntu | 01:23 |
| apachelogger | ubuntu even | 01:24 |
| rgreening | hey all | 01:24 |
| JontheEchidna | seele: I'm going to mark that as a dupe of bug 368680 | 01:24 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 368680 in kdeplasma-addons "battery monitor widget shows wrong displaced battery symbols when two batteries are used" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/368680 | 01:24 |
| JontheEchidna | I probably should look upstream for a corresponding bug | 01:24 |
| rgreening | I can help fix sum cuts after finishing usb-creator | 01:24 |
| rgreening | so nixternal won't be the only one with C++ skillz :) | 01:25 |
| apachelogger | bloat skillz that is :P | 01:26 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: fancy name suggestions for the KTD session? | 01:27 |
| rgreening | lol | 01:27 |
| rgreening | apachelogger: but I sure can dance for a bloated man | 01:27 |
| rgreening | and you know you liked my video too apachelogger | 01:28 |
| rgreening | :P | 01:28 |
| JontheEchidna | uh | 01:28 |
| JontheEchidna | hmm | 01:28 |
| JontheEchidna | The Last Ruby Unicorn | 01:28 |
| JontheEchidna | ... Barbie girl | 01:28 |
| JontheEchidna | :D | 01:29 |
| rgreening | lol | 01:29 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: kinda depressing aint it? | 01:30 |
| apachelogger | rgreening: I sure didn't watch it :P | 01:30 |
| rgreening | hah | 01:30 |
| JontheEchidna | seele: is this still an issue for you in KDE 4.3? There seems to be one fixed bug about 2 batteries, but maybe there is more than one issue: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=196721 | 01:31 |
| ubottu | KDE bug 196721 in general "Battery monitor bug with 2+ battery" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] | 01:31 |
| seele | JontheEchidna: i dont know if the offset problem is the same as the broken looking icon problem | 01:32 |
| shtylman | JontheEchidna: yea...the problem was that you have to have effects on and whatnot...therefore the fullscreen case is a catch all for people that don't have effects...we get a consistent look | 01:44 |
| shtylman | Riddell: don't know about what file you can check...but I imagine that is one...query the username...my guess if that if it is "ubuntu" then your are probly in a live session? .. cjwatson might know what file you can query | 01:45 |
| * JontheEchidna nods | 01:45 | |
| JontheEchidna | I couldn't manage to get the actual install frame transparent like a "real" plasmoid, but it still looks quite nice | 01:45 |
| shtylman | right...you could get the install frame transparent if the border images were svg... but then my fear is being too crowded for the user | 01:46 |
| shtylman | transparency is cool...but can also distract from the task at hand...and text reading gets harder | 01:46 |
| shtylman | seele: did you manage to get a look or what me to knock out some screenshots? | 01:47 |
| JontheEchidna | I hope we can find some way to do no-borders w/o resorting to fullscreen, since otherwise you couldn't do anything while it installs | 01:48 |
| seele | shtylman: i only saw one screenshot, if you could create a collection so i can see all the screens that would be helpful | 01:48 |
| shtylman | JontheEchidna: the idea is that after you hit the install button on the last step it will minimize and you can work while it installs...we will also provide a minimize icon in the upper right corner to minimize at any time | 01:49 |
| shtylman | seele: will do | 01:49 |
| JontheEchidna | clever | 01:49 |
| seele | shtylman: thanks | 01:50 |
| JontheEchidna | have you seen the new kpackagekit animations in the new version in karmic? Mayhaps we should steal some of those... | 01:50 |
| shtylman | nope..but will gladly look into it :) | 01:50 |
| JontheEchidna | http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/playground/sysadmin/kpackagekit/KPackageKit/Animations/ | 01:53 |
| JontheEchidna | buncha .mng files | 01:53 |
| shtylman | cool | 01:56 |
| shtylman | and those replace some icons? | 01:56 |
| shtylman | seele: http://shtylman.com/stuff/kubuntu_installer/steps/ | 01:56 |
| JontheEchidna | I was thinking that while ubiquity is doing its kdialogs-with-progressbars we could slap a couple of those up where appropriate | 01:57 |
| shtylman | indeed...that could look nice | 01:57 |
| JontheEchidna | if we're gonna go bling we might as well go all the way and beat the pants off of ubiquity-gtk ;-) | 01:58 |
| shtylman | :) | 01:58 |
| seele | shtylman: thanks | 02:00 |
| shtylman | its obviously just a mockup app...but it gets across many of the ideas I want to try | 02:01 |
| JontheEchidna | oh, have you seen krunner do its little slidy thing when you mouse over the results? | 02:02 |
| JontheEchidna | maybe when the user goes down a step it could do a slidy thing | 02:02 |
| shtylman | tht would be nice...must admit I havn't the slightest idea how to do that... :) | 02:03 |
| JontheEchidna | prolly would need some QGraphicsWidget magic | 02:03 |
| JontheEchidna | though I'm not sure how I'd do it either ;-) | 02:03 |
| shtylman | http://shtylman.com/stuff/kubuntu_installer/ubiquity_step5_trans.png <-- with a little transparency on the main widget... | 02:29 |
| apachelogger | Riddell, JontheEchidna: would you like to have anything specific covered? I am currently trying to give a general syntax overview and cover the basics to get started with simple ruby stuff | 02:35 |
| seele | anyone have a copy of kde svn? can you grep the string "Abort" and tell me how many times it occurs? | 02:50 |
| rgreening | shtylman: wow.. sum blingy pic | 03:03 |
| shtylman | :) | 03:07 |
| nhandler | ryanakca: ping | 03:20 |
| nhandler | ryanakca: There is a bug with the kubuntunew theme. You are unable to click on the links in a table of contents | 03:51 |
| apachelogger | hm, almost 5am | 03:52 |
| apachelogger | I prolly should go to bed at some point :P | 03:53 |
| apachelogger | the good news is that my ruby talk is somewhat complete ... well if it is long enough | 03:53 |
| nellery | nhandler: works fine for me | 03:54 |
| nellery | hm actually it only works for some of them | 03:54 |
| nhandler | nellery: How does it look on tiny pages such as http://tinyurl.com/lguhy5 | 03:55 |
| nellery | nhandler: there's no table of contents that I can see on that page | 03:57 |
| nellery | (all links work fine on that page) | 03:58 |
| nhandler | nellery: There isn't. I was talking more about the bottom of the page where you have hte Edit, Page history, subscribe, etc links | 03:58 |
| nhandler | I just think that it looks a little ugly | 03:58 |
| ryanakca | nhandler: Yep, nixternal (I think) filed a bug about it. Feel free to confirm it for me, kubuntu-website project | 04:08 |
| ryanakca | I'll probably get to fixing it Tuesday... I'm away tomorrow, studying all day Sunday and then math exam on Monday :) | 04:09 |
| nhandler | Sure thing ryanakca | 04:14 |
| nixternal | fix it now! | 04:23 |
| nixternal | nhandler: how about those storms? | 04:23 |
| nixternal | we almost got smashed by a tree on 355 heading to frys earlier | 04:23 |
| nixternal | how nobody wrecked is beyond me | 04:23 |
| nixternal | we were sitting at army trail and schmale when massive winds hit...we watched a garage fall apart, watched the light pole fall down right in front of us, then watched an idiot in a honda accord try to drive over it | 04:24 |
| nixternal | i think they got scared and tried to jet the area really quick thinking it was a tornado | 04:24 |
| nhandler | nixternal: We had storms, but not that bad by me. Did you see the videos posted by cdavis on identi.ca ? | 04:24 |
| nixternal | no I haven't | 04:25 |
| nixternal | link me please | 04:25 |
| nixternal | what are they of? who is cdavis? to many people on identi.ca for me to remember | 04:25 |
| nhandler | nixternal: http://www.flickr.com/photos/tuxstorm/ | 04:25 |
| nixternal | ahh, nice flooding, we have the same at the bottom of the hill...we can't get over to lake street | 04:26 |
| nixternal | just before lake on gary there is a school bus on the right hand side that sits in a yard, it is almost completely under water | 04:27 |
| nixternal | how that happened I don't know | 04:27 |
| vorian | never gonna give you up | 04:29 |
| nixternal | why thanks sweety! | 04:29 |
| vorian | yuuuuuuuuuusss | 04:29 |
| vorian | nhandler: sorry about mibbit - although you are the only legit person I know who used it | 04:30 |
| nhandler | vorian: Yeah, now I need to find a new web-based client to use since the Freenode one is really lacking in features | 04:30 |
| vorian | might I suggest irssi | 04:31 |
| vorian | I can lend a shell if you need one | 04:31 |
| nixternal | vorian: I used mibbit in school when they blocked all the damn ports but http stuff | 04:32 |
| nhandler | vorian: irssi+screen over ssh would be awesome! | 04:32 |
| nixternal | it all happened in the matter of minuts...one minute I am ssh'd into my server, the next minute I am not, and never again was I able to use their network and ssh into my server | 04:32 |
| nhandler | I have access to one remote machine (spooky), but I doubt they would appreciate me using it for irc ;) | 04:32 |
| nixternal | nhandler: I have a spare p4 with like 128mb of rambus | 04:33 |
| nixternal | it will work fine for a server that you can use for that and filed | 04:33 |
| nixternal | s/filed/files/ | 04:33 |
| === seele changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | Alpha 2 is OUT! | We need paperKuts! https://launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts | ||
| vorian | make the damn kwalletd notification go the freak away | 04:43 |
| vorian | really sleep when laptop lid closes | 04:43 |
| === nhandler_ is now known as nhandler | ||
| ScottK | Tonio_: How goes settings for netbook? | 06:39 |
| nixternal | alrighty all, I have a bike race in the name of Ubuntu in the morning...wish me luck and if all goes well, I will be alive tomorrow afternoon :) | 07:06 |
| * nixternal needs a real Ubuntu/Kubuntu cycling jersey for these races...my plan jersey isn't cutting it | 07:07 | |
| nixternal | g'nite | 07:07 |
| === fenris- is now known as e-jat | ||
| === nielsslot_ is now known as nielsslot | ||
| === freeflyi1g is now known as freeflying | ||
| freinhard | apachelogger: neon=> kde-nightly-googlegadgets-dbg depends on kde-nightly-qt which isn't available for jaunty. | 16:08 |
| === mgraesslin_ is now known as mgraesslin | ||
| apachelogger | freinhard: indeed | 16:23 |
| apachelogger | freinhard: started a stack upgrade | 16:36 |
| apachelogger | hopefully that doesn't fail :D | 16:37 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: looks like dist-upgrades should be a lot faster from jaunty to karmic :D | 16:37 |
| apachelogger | lzma is reducing everything quite nicely :D | 16:37 |
| freinhard | apachelogger: is there a progress/status page? | 16:43 |
| apachelogger | not really | 16:47 |
| apachelogger | Nightrose: /build/buildd/amarok-nightly-20090620+svn984199/src/EngineController.cpp: In member function 'void EngineController::playUrl(const KUrl&, uint)': | 16:50 |
| apachelogger | /build/buildd/amarok-nightly-20090620+svn984199/src/EngineController.cpp:361: error: 'class Phonon::MediaObject' has no member named 'clear' | 16:50 |
| apachelogger | too old phonon? | 16:50 |
| apachelogger | svn rev 984358 | 17:06 |
| ubottu | http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/?rev=984358&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk -r 984358 | 17:06 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: assigned bug 340206 to you | 17:16 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 340206 in kdebase-workspace "~/screen-configurations.xml file after kubuntu install" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/340206 | 17:16 |
| neversfelde | if someone is in a reviewing mood: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/plasma-widget-plasmaboard | 18:41 |
| e-jat | kde 4.3 rc1 will be release on 30 june right ? | 18:52 |
| DaskreeCH | http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.3_Release_Schedule | 18:53 |
| neversfelde | is bug 66362 a "Won't Fix" or "Fix Released". Kalzium has this feature in Karmic? | 19:00 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 66362 in kdeedu "Equation Solver not enabled in Kalzium" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/66362 | 19:00 |
| neversfelde | and Edgy or Dapper are dead | 19:01 |
| JontheEchidna | neversfelde: fixed | 19:04 |
| neversfelde | ok, thanks | 19:04 |
| nellery | neversfelde: just took a look at it. At first glance the only thing I see is that debian/copyright mentions that it is licensed under GPLv2 specifically | 19:19 |
| nellery | but the source code headers mention that at your option, it can be any later version | 19:19 |
| nellery | I think dh_make offers two options when you specify GPL, one for each | 19:20 |
| nellery | (just commented in REVU) | 19:20 |
| neversfelde | nellery: thanks, reuploaded | 19:24 |
| e-jat | DaskreeCH: k | 19:27 |
| JontheEchidna | neversfelde: numblock -> num lock, and debian recently released Standards-Version 3.8.2. Other than that it looks perfect | 19:30 |
| JontheEchidna | and to be fair lintian doesn't know about 3.8.2 yet either ;-) | 19:31 |
| neversfelde | JontheEchidna: I switched back to 3.8.1 because of lintian | 19:31 |
| JontheEchidna | Yeah, I wouldn't not upload it for that. It's not *that* big of a deal really | 19:32 |
| neversfelde | mhh, I thought that the numblock is the block right next to the keyboard | 19:33 |
| neversfelde | so this is the num lock or is num lock the feature | 19:33 |
| nellery | that's what I was thinking | 19:33 |
| nellery | or is it numpad? | 19:33 |
| JontheEchidna | yeah, numpad | 19:34 |
| JontheEchidna | though it wouldn't hurt to say number pad | 19:34 |
| neversfelde | ok, I will change it to number pad and 3.8.2 | 19:34 |
| nellery | neversfelde: have you tested it out, does it work fine? | 19:36 |
| neversfelde | yesm it works | 19:36 |
| neversfelde | but only with KDE 4.3 | 19:36 |
| * neversfelde wonders where he got the GPL text without the option | 19:38 | |
| nellery | did you specify -c gpl with dh_make? | 19:40 |
| neversfelde | no, I did that manually | 19:40 |
| neversfelde | probably I should use dh_make the next time | 19:40 |
| nellery | ah | 19:41 |
| neversfelde | uploaded a new version | 19:41 |
| nellery | neversfelde: looks good, I'll build it one more time then advocate | 19:42 |
| neversfelde | thank you | 19:43 |
| nellery | neversfelde: good work, advocated | 19:47 |
| neversfelde | :) | 19:48 |
| nhandler | neversfelde: Need another advocate? Or are you good? | 19:50 |
| milian | is there a bigmem ppa available? or is 64bit the only way to go (would implicate a reinstallation) | 19:51 |
| neversfelde | nhandler: if JontheEchidna advocates, too? I am good. | 19:52 |
| nhandler | neversfelde: Ok, just thought I'd offer | 19:52 |
| JontheEchidna | neversfelde: oh, right. got distracted | 19:53 |
| neversfelde | nhandler: thanks | 19:53 |
| JontheEchidna | advocated and uploading | 19:54 |
| neversfelde | that was fast :) | 19:54 |
| nellery | JontheEchidna: are new packages uploaded the same as regular packages? | 19:55 |
| nellery | congrats neversfelde :) | 19:55 |
| JontheEchidna | nellery: yeah, the same sponsorship process and all. The only difference is that you need to forward the acceptance email to ubuntu-motu | 19:55 |
| nellery | thanks | 19:56 |
| JontheEchidna | ...which reminds me, I need to do that for kcm-gtk | 19:56 |
| nhandler | nellery: Did you see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/New ? | 20:00 |
| JontheEchidna | Oh, you're a new motu? I thought you already had been one. | 20:02 |
| JontheEchidna | Congrats :) | 20:02 |
| nellery | new as in for about a week | 20:05 |
| nellery | nhandler: yep, but I don't think that details new packages | 20:05 |
| nellery | or does it... | 20:05 |
| nellery | either way, it's the same | 20:06 |
| _Groo_ | hi/2 all | 20:08 |
| === jjesse_ is now known as jjesse | ||
| seaLne | Riddell: worked out why i was getting configfile creation errors something is wrong with my /home fs | 21:50 |
| seaLne | "This should not happen.!! Data will be lost | 21:50 |
| seaLne | nice ext4 error | 21:51 |
| DaskreeCH | Danger Shill Robbinson! | 22:01 |
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