[01:06] <VK7HSE> Is anyone having issues getting Karmic Alpha2 to install into VirtualBox? the standard desktop .iso appeared to hang prior to getting to the set up options! now currently attempting with alternate Karmic Alpha2!
[01:08] <VK7HSE> so far so good! 43% installed!
[02:01] <Wicla_> hey. Anyone else had problems with compiz.real? It's currently using 2584MB of swap
[02:02] <Wicla_> or, not only swap but in total it's using that amount of memory.
[02:03] <BUGabundo> Wicla_: mine is not even starting today :(
[02:04] <Wicla_> uhm okey. This is the second time this has happened. Last time was a few days ago
[02:08] <Wicla_> s/Last/First/ to make that sentence correct
[02:31] <ripps> Well, I've finally gotten Karmic installed, I'm trying to restore my sbackup of my /home
[02:36] <BUGabundo> ripps: YAY
[02:36] <BUGabundo> hello DanaG
[02:37] <ripps> BUGabundo: let's just hope everything restores properly. Also, I need to reinstall every package I had before. Hours of downloading packages for me.
[02:37] <BUGabundo> ripps: did you dpkg -l ?
[02:38] <BUGabundo> that would list all installed packages
[02:38] <BUGabundo> so you could just sed it, to generate apt line
[02:38] <ripps> BUGabundo: no, I wanted to have a cleaner system this time, I installed alot a crap I only used once
[02:38] <BUGabundo> I know the feeling
[02:38] <BUGabundo> but some I DO need
[02:46] <virtuald> <:
[02:46] <virtuald> :>
[02:48] <BUGabundo> ^..^
[03:18] <ghindo> Is anybody else having a bunch of packages being held back?
[03:20] <BUGabundo> ghindo: try $ sudo aptitude safe-upgrade
[03:33] <ghindo> Is udev-extras being held back for anybody else?  I haven't been able to update it for at least a week
[04:05] <RAOF> ghindo: That's probably because it'll remove hotkey-setup.  "sudo aptitude full-upgrade" will probably do what you want.
[04:11] <ghindo> RAOF:  Got it, thanks.  I probably should have looked at the changelog/forums
[05:33] <syn-ack> Any particular reason I have symlinks to my kernel in /... was just going thru this build trying to figure out how I can hack the mp3 codecs in it and noticed it
[05:34] <syn-ack> I do have /boot/ on its own ext2 part, btw so I shouldnt have anything in the root
[05:47] <darthanubis> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/virtualbox-ose/+bug/347487
[07:05] <DanaG> Is there any easy way to take a non-running karmic 32-bit install and transpose it over to 64-bit?
[07:05] <DanaG> by "transpose", I mean package states, some conf files, and sources.list
[07:24] <virtuald> anyone noticed the horrible io scheduling in 2.6.30?
[07:27] <DanaG> argh!  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/365321
[07:27] <DanaG> ARGH
[07:47] <airstrike> i just wanted to share my opinion that this paper cuts project is simply great!
[08:13] <DanaG> I just figured out why my wifi wouldn't connect..... 2 of 3 wifi antennas were not attached!
[08:33] <ripps> How do I get gpg to use the pinentry method? I just reinstalled Ubuntu to Karmic and I don't know how to get gpg to remember my passpharase. My ppabot requires me to enter it a dozen times for each ppa package it builds w/ it's backports
[08:40] <Hobbsee> DanaG: yeah, that'd do it!
[08:40] <Hobbsee> ripps: install pinenty, relogin to X?
[08:40] <Hobbsee> ripps: actually, gnupg-agent woks quite nicely, too
[08:40] <Hobbsee> iirc
[08:43] <DanaG> But it worked fine in Windows, oddly enough.
[08:44] <DanaG> And it was giving me failed assertions... something about not being 802_1x
[08:44] <DanaG> I guess iwlagn doesn't like diversity.
[08:44] <DanaG> s/like/do/
[08:44] <DanaG> =þ
[09:03] <DanaG> arg, that "ear candy" thing is rather broken.
[09:03] <DanaG> It continuously insists on cranking volume up to 100%.
[09:04] <DanaG> SO IT MAKES EVERYTHING REALLY REALLY LOUD
[09:04] <DanaG> =þ
[09:19] <cwillu> DanaG, I already told you it's by design
[09:20] <DanaG> which is?
[09:20] <cwillu> max volume
[09:20] <DanaG> the REALLY REALLY LOUD?
[09:20] <cwillu> yes
[09:20] <DanaG> I think it's an issue of "earcandy" not dealing well with flat volumes.
[09:20] <DanaG> It cranks the app volume up to 100%.... and thus... affects the device volume, too.
[09:21] <cwillu> shouldn't be affecting the device volume
[09:21] <DanaG> I've honestly found flat volumes too confusing.
[09:21] <DanaG> try earcandy some time.... but have your speakers turned way down, first.
[09:21] <cwillu> you probably don't want to use it anyway, it does really really ugly things with polling
[09:21] <cwillu> DanaG, I sent it a few hundred lines of patches to it, no idea if he ever applied them
[09:21] <DanaG> yeah.  and the "move to new device" moves the thing FROM my BT headset back to onboard.
[09:21] <cwillu> not a huge fan of people who try to run projects out of the comments of a blog post :p
[09:22] <DanaG> I still disagree with flat-volumes... but that's something I can just live with disabling.  Might be nice to add it as a preference reachable by paprefs?
[09:22] <cwillu> earcandy ultimately feels like using a tiling window manager
[09:23] <cwillu> really annoying if you want your windows to stay where you left them
[09:23] <cwillu> and it's buggy too, which doesn't help :p
[09:23] <DanaG> yeah.
[09:23] <DanaG> I wish I could set PA like this:
[09:23] <cwillu> especially when the owner refuses to use such modern project management tools as "email"
[09:23] <DanaG> For App X, prefer sound cards A>B>C.
[09:24] <DanaG> For Y, prefer a different order.  If one is not present, drop back to another.
[09:24] <cwillu> it's got a _little_ bit of that baked in
[09:24] <DanaG> And have it move a stream from B to A when you plug in A.
[09:24] <cwillu> but ya
[09:24] <DanaG> Right now it drops back... but doesn't pop "forward" like win7 does.
[09:25] <cwillu> honestly, I'd be happy with a simple way of alt-mousewheeling on a window to change that window's volume, or to change everything _but_ that window's folume
[09:25] <DanaG> I just don't like how flat-volumes makes the volume slider for an app change the volume slider for the device, and vice versa.
[09:25] <cwillu> s/folume/volume/
[09:25] <DanaG> And moving an app to a different device... makes both the device slider and the app slider jump.
[09:25] <cwillu> which should actually be possible based on how earcandy is resolving pulseaudio clients back to the open applications
[09:27] <DanaG> The way I think of things is: device X is at some percent of its max volume, and app Y is at some portion of whatever the max is, set by X percent.
[09:27] <DanaG> Even if the backend changes the volume slider value to optimize hardware... the frontend should not make things jump around.
[09:29] <DanaG> oh, and then you have my odd USB audio device, that has two Speaker sliders.
[09:30] <DanaG> One has no effect at all when you twiddle it.  The other works fine, but indicates decibel ranges from 0.0dB to 0.0dB.
[09:51] <DanaG> ugh, stock bluetooth-applet is literally useless.
[09:51] <DanaG> You can bond / pair to a device... but then once you've done that, you can't DO anything with the device.
[11:04] <BUGabundo> compiz not starting for me!
[11:04] <BUGabundo> anyone else?
[11:10] <dupondje> BUGabundo: can't test as i'm using nouveau driver that has no 3D :(
[11:18] <BUGabundo> dupondje: yeah
[11:33] <jetienne> !info gcc
[11:35] <dupondje> somebody want to add my ppa ?
[11:35] <dupondje> https://launchpad.net/~dupondje/+archive/ppa
[11:35] <dupondje> need some people to test nautilus patch :D
[12:02] <dupondje> BUGabundo:  ? ;)
[12:02] <BUGabundo> dupondje: no no ! eheh need it working
[12:02] <BUGabundo> LO
[12:02] <BUGabundo> LOL
[12:02] <amortvigil> hi
[12:02] <BUGabundo> hey amortvigil
[12:03] <BUGabundo> eeh using the new webchat from freenode amortvigil?
[12:03] <amortvigil> how is koala doing?
[12:03] <amortvigil> BUGabundo: NOT SURE I USE webchat from the dutch community
[12:03] <BUGabundo> not bad
[12:03] <amortvigil> why?
[12:03] <BUGabundo> a few nagging bugs
[12:04] <amortvigil> ahhh ok
[12:04] <amortvigil> well i hope koala will work for mee 9.04 doesnt work atall :)
[12:05] <BUGabundo> why?
[12:06] <amortvigil> it freezes ramdomly i get atk errors
[12:06] <BUGabundo> and karmic?
[12:07] <amortvigil> not yet tested
[12:07] <amortvigil> afraid of an early alpha
[12:10] <BUGabundo> running a livecd/usb doesn't hurt
[12:56] <frandavid100> do you guys know with what protocols can you do a video call in empathy?
[13:25] <BluesKaj> Howdy
[13:25] <frandavid100> hiya BluesKaj
[13:25] <BluesKaj> hi frandavid100
[13:27] <BluesKaj> what's happening today ?
[14:02] <Tekno_> onks linuxille semmost näppärää powerpoint vieweriä
[14:02] <Tekno_> joka vaan näyttäs ne diat samantien
[14:05] <BluesKaj> !fi | Tekno_
[14:49] <muggi> hi
[14:49] <muggi> anyone followed this for installing grub2: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Grub2#grub.cfg   ?
[14:49] <muggi> seems like i got stuck at grub 1.96, even though i followed the guide im trying to install grub2 under ubuntu 9.10
[14:50] <muggi> 1. i used to dualboot win xp  and linux mint 7 on my asus eee, i then tried to install .9.10 as the third boot choice, but found out later that grub2 under 9.10 cant dualboot without a fix
[14:50] <muggi>  but 9.10 never installed grub2, but grub-legacy (1.96), and now im tring to install grub2, but cant get it to work
[15:00] <darthanubis> muggi, always read the known issues from the release notes FIRST
[15:02] <muggi> I know now :-)  can see the install can fail, if there is other os's installed
[15:03] <darthanubis> yeah
[15:03] <muggi> at least i got the dualbooting to work
[15:04] <muggi> but its under grub 1.96, seems like i cant install grub2  (all in 9.10)
[15:57] <Machtin> is it usual not to get an answer to a security bug for 4 days?
[15:58] <bazhang> this early in the release cycle? could well be
[15:59] <Machtin> kk
[16:11] <joejc> i got banned from #ubuntu so i decided to never use linux ever again and i want you to ban me from here to so if for some reason i forget how much ubuntu people hate me i still cant come back
[16:13] <dupondje> there was probably a good reason why u got banned ...
[16:14] <joejc> i wanted to know if i could customize the notifications. can you just ban me?
[16:15] <BluesKaj> joejc, ubuntu isn't the only linux OS and if you were banned then you must be a bad bad boy/girl :)
[16:16] <joejc> what wrong with wanting different notifications?
[16:17] <darthanubis> joejc, you got some growing up to do kid.
[16:17] <joejc> just ban me
[16:17] <darthanubis> just leave
[16:17] <darthanubis> ban yourself
[16:18] <joejc> what do i need to do to get banned?
[16:18] <darthanubis> leave and uninstall your IRC client
[16:18] <darthanubis> joejc, your doing just fine, you'll be banned soon enough
[16:18] <joejc> i like irc just not people that ban for no reason so i want to give you a reason
[16:18] <darthanubis> or ignored
[16:18] <darthanubis> I agree there with the abuse of OP power
[16:19] <darthanubis> but you are coming across as a douchbag already
[16:19] <darthanubis> it is no wonder you got banned
[16:19] <darthanubis> ask a question pertinent to the channel, or leave?
[16:19] <BluesKaj> joejc, you din't get banned for no reason...perhaps you became a PITA with your irrelavent questions
[16:19] <darthanubis> do you need help or something?
[16:19] <joejc> if they didnt like what i was doing they could have kicked me and given a reason but they didnt so i want to get banned from every ubuntu related channel
[16:20] <darthanubis> joejc, what re you like 12 or something?
[16:20] <darthanubis> joejc, just go sit in the corner for a while
[16:20] <joejc> 26 just hate OPs who are bitches
[16:21] <BluesKaj> in order not do what hew wants we should just put him on ignore and his dumb questions won't show up in the chat
[16:21] <darthanubis> only type if you have something to add or need specific help. Otherwise, you are just a desperate and sad troll
[16:21] <joejc> figure the op is probably here too
[16:21] <joejc> ban me for being a troll
[16:21] <Hew> BluesKaj, ?
[16:21] <darthanubis> joejc, keep using profanity, that will obviously get you banned, if i could I would right now
[16:21] <BluesKaj> hew=he
[16:21] <tgpraveen> somebody please grant him his wish. he already has used profanity once
[16:21] <Hew> yes :P
[16:22] <joejc> darthanubis, then call the ops and get them to ban me
[16:22] <tgpraveen> call him yourself
[16:22]  * BluesKaj puts joejc on ignore
[16:22] <darthanubis> I don't care about you, or your issue, I can ignore you at my will
[16:22] <joejc> WHO?
[16:22] <darthanubis> Like BluesKaj  just did
[16:23] <lynggaard> I am looking for docs, or tips for doing a triple boot system (windows, ubuntu, opensolaris) having at leats the main part of ubuntu on a SSD, while having /home and /var on a regular disk... any pointers ?
[16:23] <darthanubis> joejc, sooo, troll, what can we do for you besides your sad pleas for attention?
[16:23] <lynggaard> preferably with the solaris readonly parts on the SSD as well
[16:23] <ziroday> lynggaard: well on doing the install you would place those parts where you want, and then describe them in fstab (if not done for you already)
[16:24] <darthanubis> lynggaard, read the release notes and known issues on the main page
[16:24] <joejc> so you arnt going to ban me for asking to be banned and saying bitch?
[16:25] <bazhang> joejc, please stop now
[16:25] <lynggaard> The ubuntu part of having /var and /home elsewhere I am clear on, it is more how to do this best in a triple boot system... should the SSD be the master ? og should the regular HD be the master, but having a /boot partition for linux pointing to the SSD?
[16:25] <joejc> thank you thats all  i needed to prove my point bye
[16:25] <bazhang> ?
[16:26] <ziroday> he has a loose screw, was most odd in #ubuntu
[16:26] <darthanubis> bazhang, he is just a lost kid
[16:26] <bazhang> okay thanks :)
[16:26] <ziroday> darthanubis: I doubt all children have loose screws.
[16:27] <darthanubis> true, I did not mean to insult all kids
[16:27] <lynggaard> darthanubis, the release notes says nothing related to my query
[16:27] <ziroday> lynggaard: mmm it would probably be best to stick /boot on SSD to lose that extra second of boot time.
[16:27] <darthanubis> lynggaard, you don't read well, perhaps?
[16:27]  * BluesKaj is too to waste time with juveys needing attention
[16:27] <BluesKaj> too old
[16:28] <darthanubis> grub2 is going to give you issues with your attempt
[16:28] <darthanubis> BluesKaj, i hear ya
[16:28] <lynggaard> darthanubis, apperently not. Could you be more specific about which paragraph I missed ?
[16:29] <darthanubis> refuse to look it up for you after pointing you in the right direction
[16:30] <darthanubis> in a nutshell, stay away from grub2
[16:31] <lynggaard> darthanubis, http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/karmic/alpha2 says nothing about dual/triple boot (infact the page doesn't even contain the word dual). neither does it say anything about SSD considerations.
[16:32] <ziroday> lynggaard: darthanubis is referring to "Due to the conversion to GRUB2, installation will fail if you try to install Karmic Alpha 2 on a system with other OSes installed. This will be fixed for Alpha 3. As a workaround in the meantime, you can choose to use GRUB1 instead by booting with the option: grub-installer/grub2_instead_of_grub_legacy=false."
[16:32] <ziroday> did any of that get cut off?
[16:32] <darthanubis> ziroday, no, and thank you
[16:32] <dupondje> or use daily cdimage, should work also :)
[16:33] <darthanubis> lynggaard, installation will fail if you try to install Karmic Alpha 2 on a system with other OSes installed.
[16:33] <darthanubis> is it crystal now?
[16:33] <ziroday> dupondje: just about to recommend that :)
[16:34] <lynggaard> ziroday, if that was the information he was trying to convey, it surely covers only a small part. and nothing related to my inquiry of " The ubuntu part of having /var and /home elsewhere I am clear on, it is more how to do this best in a triple boot system... should the SSD be the master ? og should the regular HD be the master, but having a /boot partition for linux pointing to the SSD?"
[16:34] <ziroday> lynggaard: I would recommend the /boot on the SSD as it will improve boot time. Otherwise it doesn't really matter.
[16:35] <dupondje> 14 seconds instead of 16 :p
[16:35] <dupondje> who cares :)
[16:35] <lynggaard> darthanubis, yes crystal clear that you only answered a small item which could be pointed to in the main page, insteda of trying to answer the real question assuming that I had allready read the front page
[16:36] <darthanubis> I threw you a bone is THIS is my thanks, because you can't read coherently? it is not for me or anyone to solve ALL your issues.
[16:36] <lynggaard> ziroday, but doesn't this mean the SSD will have to be master... or can the regular HD be master and have grub(2?) point to a boot on another hd.
[16:37] <dupondje> root & /boot can be on different hdd's ofc
[16:38] <lynggaard> ziroday,so regular HD as master with, Grub1/2, windows, ubuntu /home +/var, and mayby solaris, with SSD as slave having ubuntu / (one partition incl /boot) ?
[16:39] <lynggaard> dupondje, thank you. didn't know that. I was under the assumption the /boot needed to be on the master along with grub :-)
[16:39] <ziroday> lynggaard: sounds like it would work to me
[16:43] <lynggaard> darthanubis, you threw me a bone to a already solved issue, which had very little relevance to my overall query, basically adding nothing much to the information. Next time please assume that people have done their homework.. and you might see that the documentation for doing a setup like mine is not something google/bing is overflowing with
[16:44] <darthanubis> you STILL don't get it?
[16:44] <darthanubis> lynggaard, don't try so hard to piss on help from others
[16:45] <darthanubis> even if you don't like the way in which it is given
[16:45] <darthanubis> you were looking for the word "dual" and if you had READ the page "other OSes" part means what to you?
[16:46] <darthanubis> bing/google would have not helped you, because your search query was NOT found
[16:46] <darthanubis> it required you to do homework you OBVIOUSLY did not do, even with hand holding
[16:46] <darthanubis> we had to read it to you
[16:47] <darthanubis> are you done addressing me now?
[16:47] <darthanubis> because I'm done with you
[16:47] <darthanubis> k?
[16:49] <lynggaard> darthanubis, yes I saw the Other OS'ses part before logging in here, but it does not tell of partition strategies or installation orders (e.g. in dual boot it is normal to start with windows, but what about triple ). It is only a reference to an already solved grup bug. and the workaround was listed directly in the page, so I had allready moved on to other issues.
[16:49]  * darthanubis oh god
[16:50] <darthanubis> where is that moronic kid when you need him
[16:50] <lynggaard> darthanubis, maybe you should work on your support skills? you could improve a bit on your people skills ;-)
[16:50] <darthanubis> he was at least entertaining :/
[16:53] <lynggaard> ziroday, many thaks for the nice and informative replies. Do you by any change have a pointer to the best installation order. I usually only do dual boot, with windows first, and I am not sure when to install opensolaris ? is between windows and ubuntu the best bet?
[16:54] <ziroday> lynggaard: I would probably do Windows, then OpenSolaris finishing off with Ubuntu. You might want to chart out your partitions beforehand with a livecd however.
[16:58] <lynggaard> ziroday, the livecd part that is an excellent suggestion thanx :-) and for confirming then OpenSolaris should go in the middle. I think all I need to figure out now it if/how I can place the solaris "read-only" parts on the SSD as well, but I think that is for another forum
[16:58] <ziroday> lynggaard: good luck
[16:59] <lynggaard> ziroday, thanks, have a nice day
[16:59] <ziroday> lynggaard: you too!
[17:53] <ripps> suspend/resume seems to be broken again in Karmic, it used to suspend, but the display would never resume before intrepid, and now it's doing it again in Karmic
[19:41] <dupondje> pfft, this noise bug is really annoying
[19:41] <dupondje> nobody else has it, that there comes some noise out of the computer
[19:42] <cyphase> i was wondering.. why isn't karmic using firefox 3.5?
[19:42] <dupondje> when I get for example a Pidgin notice, its silent while the notice is shown, and when it dissapears, its starting again :(
[19:42] <dupondje> cyphase: its not default, but u can just install it (firefox-3.5 package)
[19:43] <cyphase> dupondje: yea.. but why?
[19:43] <cyphase> dupondje: 3.5 is going to be default when karmic is released
[19:43] <dupondje> maby
[19:43] <dupondje> no id
[19:43] <cyphase> dupondje: maybe?
[19:43] <DanaG> what noise?
[19:43] <dupondje> cyphase: yes
[19:43] <dupondje> DanaG: dunno where it comes from :s
[19:43] <DanaG> describe it, I mean.
[19:44] <cyphase> dupondje: why maybe? it's going to be out for months by the time karmic is released
[19:44] <dupondje> DanaG: its quite difficult to describe :p
[19:45] <DanaG> high-pitched whining or warbling, or something?
[19:45] <DanaG> Some noises computers can make are due to power regulation.
[19:45] <DanaG> ... for example.
[19:45] <cyphase> it's probably the aliens trying to contact you
[19:45] <dupondje> DanaG: sounds like hdd spinning more
[19:48] <dupondje> DanaG: seems like its the hdd
[19:48] <dupondje> no sound when hdd is accessed
[19:48] <dupondje> and sound while its idle :s
[19:48] <DanaG> Oh yeah, sounds kind of like heads unloading.... when they're over the platters, it makes one sort of noise, and when idle, it has a different (honestly, louder) noise.
[19:49] <dupondje> but didn't notice it before going to karmic :s
[19:49] <dupondje> thats the weird thing
[19:59] <dupondje> argh, becomming crazy of it
[20:19] <dupondje> its not Ubuntu it seems, also in windows
[20:19] <dupondje> but way less in windows (guess why, my hdd is never idle there :P)
[20:21] <Quarth> Hi. anyone can help to trace a problem with X on karmic running on a netbook?
[20:21] <dupondje> tell the problem first :) maby somebody can help then :)
[20:22] <Quarth> Sure :=
[20:23] <Quarth> Sure :=
[20:23] <Quarth> desktop freezes on startup, sometime on the login screen, sometimes few seconds/minutes after.
[20:23] <Quarth> It sounds similar to bug:359392
[20:23] <Quarth> https://bugs.launchpad.net/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/359392
[20:24] <Quarth> But don't have an intel chipset, its an HP2133 all based on VIA chipset. But the same synthoms.
[20:26] <Quarth> Any idea? Or, can anyone guide me on contribute with more info?
[20:26] <Quarth> (Sorry but I've been out of linux for some years)
[20:27] <dupondje> I have no id
[20:28] <Quarth> tx dupondje.
[20:29] <dupondje> maby somebody else has :)
[20:29] <Quarth> Hope so :)
[20:30] <Quarth> Anyway, it run after install. I'm sure it's al update problem.
[20:30] <Quarth> Do you know how to downgrade last updates?
[20:33] <dupondje> I think its possible to downgrade with apt, but don't ask me how :D
[20:34] <Quarth> lol :D I also think so! Let's see if someone kows.
[20:34] <Quarth> ^knows
[20:49] <BUGabundo> boas noites
[20:58] <ripps> Some programs such as banshee and mpd aren't able to recurse the files in symlinked directory that leads to my ntfs external harddrive. Do I have something configured wrong?
[21:19] <FoxBlitzz> Why is GRUB in Karmic so much uglier now?
[21:20] <syn-ack> define uglier...
[21:20] <BUGabundo> FoxBlitzz: 'cause its GRUB2 and it doesn't allow stiles?
[21:23] <FoxBlitzz> Is there a way I can replace it with the older GRUB?
[21:27] <BUGabundo> sure
[21:27] <BUGabundo> install it
[21:28] <DanaG> My gripe with grub2: no savedefault.
[21:28] <FoxBlitzz> Yeah, apparently grub2 isn't installed, so I can't uninstall
[21:28] <DanaG> Just install grub; it "conflicts" on grub-pc.
[21:29] <DanaG> So, it'll remove grub-pc (which is grub2).
[21:29] <FoxBlitzz> Ooh, I see
[21:29] <DanaG> Why don't they combine grub-pc and grub-efi like Fedora does?
[21:29] <DanaG> Sure would make it easier for me to use UEFI.
[21:30] <FoxBlitzz> Gah, I don't have a menu.lst
[21:30] <DanaG> It should create one, I believe.
[21:30] <ripps> Does anybody here know why mpd and banshee won't recognize symlinks to my external harddrive?
[21:30] <FoxBlitzz> It didn't.
[21:31] <FoxBlitzz> And all the GRUB2-looking stuff is still there
[21:31] <FoxBlitzz> In /boot/...
[21:35] <FoxBlitzz> Rrrgh
[21:35] <FoxBlitzz> Now I'm stuck at a freaking GRUB prompt
[21:36] <FoxBlitzz> Great, I should have saved a snapshot of the VM
[21:36] <DanaG> Reinstall grub-pc and it'll use the not-removed grub.cfg.
[21:36] <DanaG> Or boot manually and use os-prober, I think it is.
[21:37] <FoxBlitzz> ...How?
[21:43] <Wicla_> No one else having problems with extremly memory-hungry processes? Firefox is eating 940m, compiz.real 791m, Xorg 535m, pulseaudio 287m, gnome-terminal 216m?
[21:44] <BUGabundo> Wicla_: let me check
[21:44] <BUGabundo> 11882      0      0         82K 872.9M 259.4M     0K     0K   7% firefox-3.6
[21:44] <BUGabundo> 28038    495      0        844K   1.0G 252.5M     0K     0K   6% pidgin
[21:44] <BUGabundo> 17333      0      0       1717K 777.0M 212.5M     0K     0K   5% nautilus
[21:44] <BUGabundo>  8588      0      0       2106K 612.6M 118.3M     0K     0K   3% gwibber
[21:44] <BUGabundo>  4442      0      0       1804K 444.1M 88940K     0K     0K   2% Xorg
[21:44] <BUGabundo> 29852      0      0      18865K 118.8M 70992K     0K     0K   2% chromium-brows
[21:46] <Wicla_> VIRT field in `top' is accurate, right?
[21:47] <BUGabundo> this is from atop, and 'm' option
[21:47] <Wicla_> Either way, procceses eats all memory over time until there is non left and system freezes for a few minutes from time to make memory available. :/
[21:50] <BUGabundo> Wicla_: only if you have a memory leak
[21:50] <Sarvatt> let me guess, intel graphics Wicla_? theres a fix for the memory leak under GL compositing in mesa 7.5
[21:51] <Wicla_> yep. intel graphics here
[21:53] <Wicla_> hm, may I ask how to find it? :)
[21:53] <Sarvatt> it'll be fixed in the not too distant future, fixes just got commited yesterday and will be in the mesa 7.5 release any day now, they're just waiting on some word about packaging gallium from debian to update it on ubuntu
[21:54] <Wicla_> ah ok. I'll wait then. Can survive a extra reboot per day :P
[21:54] <BUGabundo> eehh
[21:54] <Sarvatt> turning off compiz makes it go away for now though :D
[21:55] <Unksi> oh, so thats why the weird freezes that seem to come up from nowhere :p
[21:56] <Wicla_> Sarvatt: do you know if there are any fix for that bug which makes the system unable to turn on screen after it has been blanked (probably with dpms)?
[21:57] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt: question: can you help me get compiz working?
[21:57] <BUGabundo> stop working yesterday or so
[21:58] <ripps> So... nobody has any idea why symlinks in mpd worked yesterday, but not today?
[21:58] <Sarvatt> nope, dont have the problem here but there are *alot* of variables involved that arent accounted for by your description there. do you have a bug report with the logs listed by any chance?
[21:58] <Wicla_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/383973
[21:59] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt: if you want I'll file one, and upload the trace and .xsessionerrors
[21:59] <Sarvatt> i'd put money on that being a gnome-power-manager problem Wicla :D
[21:59] <Sarvatt> sorry bugabundo, whats wrong?
[21:59] <Unksi> thta bug exists on kubuntu as well
[22:00] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt: compiz won't start
[22:00] <Sarvatt> you disabled metacity compositing in gconf and it still wont?
[22:01] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt: http://paste.ubuntu.com/200312/
[22:01] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt: not sure. I had it disable on the last boot, to test it, but lost gnome-do composite suport
[22:01] <Sarvatt> looks like you have metacity compositing enabled there still
[22:01] <BUGabundo> so I enabled it back, and now I can't start compiz
[22:01] <BUGabundo> it always worked before :(
[22:02] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt: but can't I have compiz AND composite?
[22:02] <BUGabundo> I need it!
[22:02] <Sarvatt> BUGabundo: you can only have one compositing manager at a time, metacity has a problem reliquishing control of compositing to compiz, if you disable metacity compositing compiz has no problems starting fine
[22:02] <BUGabundo> but how can I enable composite IN compiz?
[22:02] <Sarvatt> compiz does the compositing if you use compiz!
[22:02]  * BUGabundo disables composite in metacity yet again
[22:03] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt: err No
[22:03] <BUGabundo> at least not with OSD and gnome-do skins
[22:03] <Sarvatt> you cant disable compositing in compiz man, compiz is a GL compositing window manager
[22:04] <Sarvatt> metacity compositing is xrender based instead of 3d based
[22:04] <BUGabundo> Ok compiz is UP again
[22:04] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt: http://paste.ubuntu.com/200313/
[22:04] <BUGabundo> I'll test on the next reboot
[22:04] <BUGabundo> no idea when that will be
[22:04] <BUGabundo> last time it took me 5 days
[22:05] <Sarvatt> that just means some plugins dont work with your hardware, you can disable them in compiz config setting manager
[22:05] <Sarvatt> dont need to reboot, your gnome-do should be fine now?
[22:05] <BUGabundo> it does
[22:05] <Sarvatt> gnome-do just needs a compositing window manager in general for the transparency, doesnt matter which one you use
[22:06] <BUGabundo> but let me restart DO just to be sure
[22:06] <BUGabundo> seems to be working
[22:06] <BUGabundo> but I had lots of trouble before with this settings
[22:09] <BUGabundo> any way, thanks Sarvatt
[22:09] <BUGabundo> as usual, you are very useful and knowledgeable
[22:09] <BUGabundo> 1st cycle here?
[22:25] <anachronik_> hello
[22:25] <mobnoob> hi
[22:25] <BUGabundo> hey anachronik_ and mobnoob
[22:26] <mobnoob> got a problem after installing grub2 lol
[22:26] <billybigrigger> afternoon all
[22:27] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo::: hola senoir
[22:27] <mobnoob> lo billy
[22:27] <BUGabundo> hey billybigrigger
[22:29] <billybigrigger> whats happenin in the +1 world
[22:29] <mobnoob> n e 1 feel like stepping me through fixing my error 11
[22:29] <hexa--> BUGabundo: nothing fixed so far
[22:30] <BUGabundo> Hi hexa--. please remember me of the prob
[22:30] <billybigrigger> mobnoob:::whats up
[22:30] <hexa--> gtk applications crashing
[22:30] <mobnoob> error 11 on grub2 install
[22:30] <billybigrigger> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2#Error%2011
[22:31] <billybigrigger> tell me if that helps ya :P i know it doesn't look pretty, its a WIP
[22:31] <mobnoob> im not that good yet
[22:32] <BUGabundo> hexa--: still nothing here
[22:32] <mobnoob> but ill try again brb
[22:32] <BUGabundo> sorry for not being more helpful
[22:32] <hexa--> BUGabundo: we tried debugging nautilus, remember?
[22:32] <mobnoob> np
[22:33] <billybigrigger> mobnoob::: basically change ROOT to UUID
[22:33] <BUGabundo> hexa--: ehe not really, sorry. I've the worse memory you can find :)
[22:33] <hexa--> alright
[22:33] <hexa--> so you told me to keep you posted
[22:34] <hexa--> and if you dont remember it anyway... :P
[22:34] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: ppl still using /dev/sdXY on root?
[22:34] <BUGabundo> hexa--: ahahh
[22:34] <BUGabundo> np
[22:35] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo::: no, theres a bug in grub when updating from legacy to G2 that it is trying to read for example....root "b850ec51-e1d4-48c3-96d2-a2c6e368d2e1"
[22:35] <billybigrigger> when its try to read UUID, so you need to edit the option and change from ROOT to UUID
[22:35] <billybigrigger> i should read up more on the bug, there might be more to it, but i know it only happens when upgrading from legacy to g@
[22:35] <billybigrigger> s/g@/g2
[22:36] <hexa--> BUGabundo: ehm gtk applications are crashing when they are displaying files, like nautilus in genereal and others when confronted with file opening, saving, etc.
[22:36] <hexa--> then we tried debugging nautilus
[22:36] <Sarvatt> that only happened during a chainload for me, actually updating to grub2 fixed it but when i chainloaded i had to change root to uuid
[22:36] <hexa--> which didnt work
[22:36] <hexa--> now i successfully got a backtrace from transmission: http://paste.ubuntuusers.de/395585/
[22:36] <BUGabundo> ahhh hexa--. yeah I seem to recall that
[22:37] <billybigrigger> Sarvatt::: yeah, it happens before you upgrade-from-grub-legacy right?
[22:37] <hexa--> Sarvatt was involved too :)
[22:38] <hexa--> $ transmission
[22:38] <hexa--> (transmission:12393): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_tree_sortable_set_sort_column_id: assertion `GTK_IS_TREE_SORTABLE (sortable)' failed
[22:38] <hexa--> Segmentation fault
[22:38] <billybigrigger> that looks familiar :P
[22:38] <Sarvatt> you arent the first person i've heard from having problems with gtkfilechooser since the update a few days ago hexa, i didnt see any bugs upstream when i looked yesterday though :(
[22:38] <billybigrigger> i think the same thing happens to me when i try to change where i save my files
[22:39] <billybigrigger> in transmission, and in deluge, and i think my bug is caused from libgtk2.0
[22:39] <hexa--> Sarvatt: well i suppose with my data from transmission i can file one
[22:39] <Sarvatt> there was a change in gtk+ 2.17.2 that let gtk file chooser remember sort column status that might be having problems
[22:40] <hexa--> so which package should i report this bug for?
[22:40] <Sarvatt> lets see if its fixed upstream
[22:40] <hexa--> libgtk+2.0?
[22:40] <hexa--> okay
[22:41] <Sarvatt> gtk+
[22:41] <hexa--> i was searching here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/
[22:41] <hexa--> and didnt find anything
[22:42] <Sarvatt> hmm, do those torrent clients show the size column by default when you open up the save file dialogue?
[22:43] <hexa--> i dont remember that
[22:43] <Sarvatt> http://git.gnome.org/cgit/gtk+/commit/?id=68171b506f1a77b33367f69364d9991a4558a242
[22:43] <Sarvatt> its possible they dont and need to to work with the change
[22:44] <Sarvatt> yeah wow alot of fixes related to the sort column crashing upstream
[22:44] <Sarvatt> http://git.gnome.org/cgit/gtk+/log/
[22:44] <ripps> Okay, I've think I know what's going on, mpd runs as the mpd user, but my external harddrive is mounted as 0700 under my username. Apparently this creates a permission issue so mpd won't parse the files there. I don't know why it creates an issue in Karmic, but not Jaunty, but running mpd under my username fixed the issue.
[22:45] <Sarvatt> is it ntfs ripps?
[22:46] <hexa--> Sarvatt: should i still file the bug?
[22:47] <Sarvatt> ripps: disk mounting is handled via devkit-disks now, it could be mounting with different permissions via that instead of how it was handled via hal in jaunty if it helps looking into the bug further
[22:49] <Sarvatt> hexa--: your call, not trying to imply it wouldnt hurt just that theres some problems with the sort field handling since 2.17.2 that may be known and fixed already when we get the update and there might be bugs on gnomes bugzilla about it already
[22:50] <hexa--> alright
[22:51] <DanaG> Sarvatt: oh hey, is your repo with the radeon KMS supposed to not-work for R600?
[22:52] <DanaG> It gives me "failed to initalize radeon.  Disabling IOCTL"
[22:52] <Sarvatt> yep no support for anything higher than r500
[22:52] <Sarvatt> they're working on it
[22:53] <DanaG> ah.  Might be good to at least have it give a "hey, we don't do R600" message, rather than a simple FAIL. =þ
[22:53] <DanaG> It also doesn't drop back to non-modeset... so xorg loads without any EXA and such.
[22:53] <dupondje> sound is still a hell in Karmic it seems :( Flash + Audacious doesn't work, lowering volume goes weird, ALSA & PulseAudio is not syncronized :(
[22:55] <Sarvatt> i'll put a note on the PPA about it, thought it was common knowledge KMS doesnt work on newer than r500 so it didnt occur to me
[22:58] <hexa--> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+2.0/+bug/390035
[22:58] <hexa--> here we got
[23:00] <DanaG> Oddly enough, I HAVE had KMS work on my r600, once.
[23:00] <DanaG> I don't remember when that was, though.
[23:11] <hexa--> lol
[23:11] <hexa--> i'm eager to find replys to my bug report :]
[23:11] <BUGabundo> hexa--: what?
[23:11] <hexa--> because it really bothers me
[23:11] <hexa--> you know, you try to file a bug in firefox
[23:11] <hexa--> and you try to upload a backtrace
[23:11] <Lounge> i wanted to ask about something that should be fixed in the next release: In jaunty, if be chance the USB susbsystem crashes, Jaunty will hand in the middle of shutdown, my guyess is its waiting for modprobe, but modprobe is frozen
[23:12] <Lounge> jaunty will hang*
[23:12] <hexa--> but when you try to upload the file firefox crashes :)
[23:12] <hexa--> this channel is not about jaunty
[23:12] <Lounge> can it be made so that if the usb subsystem crashes ubuntu can still shutdown?
[23:13] <scizzo-> !jaunty | Lounge
[23:13] <BUGabundo> Jun 20 23:13:02 blubug kernel: [22358.088322] ata4: exception Emask 0x10 SAct 0x0 SErr 0x4050000 action 0xe frozen
[23:13] <Lounge> yes
[23:13] <BUGabundo> what does this mean ^^?
[23:13] <scizzo-> Lounge: this channel is for karmic not for jaunty....
[23:14] <Lounge> sometimes bad usb hardware that's not scripted properlly can crash modprobe/usb subsystem, basically leaving it in limbo
[23:14] <Lounge> problem is if that happens, jaunty will get stuck in the middle of shutting down
[23:14] <hexa--> Lounge: please use the channel for the current release, which would be #ubuntu for english
[23:14] <Lounge> hardy didn't
[23:15] <Lounge> i'm basically asking, can this be fixed in karma?
[23:15] <Lounge> please?
[23:15] <scizzo-> Lounge: I would guess that kind of question is a wishlist item to launchpad
[23:15] <Lounge> kk
[23:15] <hexa--> agreed
[23:16] <hexa--> and it would depend strongly on the informations you can supply
[23:16] <scizzo-> Lounge: asking there will also reach out to more developers then asking in this channel since most developers does not sit on IRC
[23:16] <Lounge> um i have an account but can i be linked to the right area in lunchpad, prretty plz :D
[23:17] <scizzo-> !launchpad
[23:17] <hexa--> !wishlist
[23:17] <scizzo-> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic
[23:17] <scizzo-> maybe
[23:18] <hexa--> ask a question
[23:18] <hexa--> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+addquestion
[23:18] <hexa--> here maybe
[23:18] <hexa--> or you can file a bug for jaunty
[23:18] <Lounge> would it be better to report the bug n jaunty?
[23:19] <hexa--> i dont know exactly
[23:19] <scizzo-> if its a wishlist for jaunty then yes
[23:19] <Lounge> i'm not sure if i can repreduce the bug now that i patched the xpad.c for the xbox 360 controller to prevent the usb subsystem from crashing?
[23:19] <scizzo-> if it is a wishlist for karmic then add it to karmic
[23:20] <Lounge> well maybe i can use the unpatched and compile it to try and reproduce it
[23:21] <mobnoob> ;[
[23:21] <Lounge> basically if modprobe does an "abnormal exit" then that means modprobe is hanging
[23:21] <Lounge> because of a bad scripted driver
[23:22] <Lounge> therefore jaunty wont shutdown
[23:23] <Lounge> hardy was able to shutdown with the this problem
[23:23] <Lounge> not sure about ibex
[23:27] <mobnoob> @billy nice post  but i am not that advanced yet
[23:28] <Lounge> anyhoo i did post the xpad.c
[23:28] <Lounge> http://pastebin.ca/1468025
[23:28] <Lounge> patched
[23:29] <Lounge> but that only for fixing that bad driver
[23:49] <Lounge> ok well i submitted a "question" about Jaunty not shutting down after a USB subsystem crash and hopefully it can get fixed for karma aswell
[23:49] <Lounge> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/74853
[23:50] <Lounge> shouldn't be that hard to produce a modprobe abnormal exit/usb subsytem crash
[23:50] <Lounge> my guess is it just required a poorly written driver to enable lol
[23:51] <Lounge> yes i would like to see this fix in karmic koala ^^
[23:54] <ctp> hi folks. beeing debian user for 13 years now and using ubuntu for 3 years, would you recommend karmic for daily work?
[23:54] <Lounge> ctp: karmic is still in the development for the time being
[23:55] <Lounge> unless you wanna test it out
[23:55] <Lounge> but the latest stable version is ubuntu 9.04 Jaunty
[23:56] <hexa--> ctp: clearly not.
[23:56] <Lounge> offically speaking of course "Ubuntu 9.04"
[23:56] <mob_> ty all l8r
[23:56] <ctp> Lounge: i know this fact ;-) i don't expect clean-and-no-trouble-ubuntu but where's the most work in karmic now? is the base stable enough to work with?
[23:57] <Lounge> ctp: it should but expect things to get broken after updates
[23:58] <hexa--> ctp: well, for me there are gtk apps crashing if i use file open/save/save as dialogues
[23:58] <hexa--> or nautilus itself
[23:58] <ctp> hexa--: greets to you martin ;-) you know who is speaking? buzzword: 25c3 ;-)
[23:58] <Lounge> yes
[23:58] <hexa--> oh boy
[23:58] <hexa--> indeed
[23:58] <ctp> hexa--: hehe, global village ;-)
[23:58] <BUGabundo> ehe
[23:58] <Lounge> ctp: always report bugs too to help the developers fix and patch things
[23:58] <BUGabundo> ctp: as long as you can produce decent bug reports
[23:59] <hexa--> also ich würde am liebsten downgraden gerade :)
[23:59] <Lounge> i cant lol
[23:59] <Lounge> i try
[23:59] <BUGabundo> and are ready fro breakage, welcome aboard
[23:59] <BUGabundo> in making Ubuntu better for everyone
[23:59] <ctp> Lounge: well, i'm coding myself on the kernel and like bleeding-edge stuff. so if you say me, i can login into my account, every distro is fine ;-)